Albanian mafia throws out Italian mafia families

[CheGuevara]

Albanian mafia targets Britain
Heavily-armed gangs throw out Italian families to seize control of the criminal underworld in Milan

NCIS investigators said the power of the groups, which recently took control of the criminal underworld in Milan after a two-year power struggle, must not be underestimated.

"They threw out the Italian mafia families," said an NCIS source. "That is how violent they are."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/sep/07/nickhopkins

Albanian
criminal groups for example, have “disrupted organized crime in Italy, ousting the
traditional Mafia from Milan within the last two years”, and have expanded so
effectively that British law enforcement is concerned that they will try to establish
themselves in the UK.

http://www.saferworld.org.uk/images/pub ... 0crime.pdf

In the north, the Albanians have taken the prostitution racket away from the country's toughest Mafia branch, the 'Ndrangheta.

http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?in ... cleid=7603

Albanian criminal groups operating in Milan, "have become so powerful running prostitution rackets that they have even taken over the Calabrians in strength and influence."

http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/2/2743/1.html

[CheGuevara]

faciulina: LOOOOL you must be joking i kid you not! italian mafia literaly controls planet of drugs under bsculoni i kid you not!

thewestside: where are these sources? where? tell me? they do not exist, i unlike you, rely on evidence and not some premature reports! this never happened! the italians have allowed immigrants to control prostitution for quite sometime now.

azure: lol (in his head he's really thinking, oh shit my dumb aboriginal ass was dead wrong).

razbojnik: macedonian crime lords did this way before, but they stayed out of the media due to their connections to aliens.

[Faciulina]

[size=150]The 'Ndrangheta's move north has transformed Milan into “the cocaine capital of Europe[/size]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 750008.ece

yes cheguevara the calabrians were pushed out milan loooooooooooool look the date of my article 2007 and the date of your full of bullshit-article (1999)

[Azure9920]

Why would I care about this enough for you to mention me?

Also, every time you call me "Aboriginal", it makes you look like more of an idiot than you've already established yourself as being.

[CheGuevara]

Why would I care about this enough for you to mention me?

Also, every time you call me "Aboriginal", it makes you look like more of an idiot than you've already established yourself as being.

i thought you would care enough because you took it upon yourself to attempt to correct me with a source (which you thought went against) that actually strenghtened my case and proved it right in another thread.

[Azure9920]

i thought you would care enough because you took it upon yourself to attempt to correct me with a source (which you thought went against) that actually strenghtened my case and proved it right in another thread.

If I recall correctly, I didn't attempt to correct anything..I merely asked you a question.

If I recall correctly, you didn't answer the question either.

[CheGuevara]

you asked who would know better, the italian police or something else (i forget what you compared them to) right? well the italian police (which were the ones who stated what was on the source you attempted to prove me wrong with) actually agreed with my research document covering the milanese underworld.

[Azure9920]

you asked who would know better

So stop talking as if I attempted to "prove you wrong".

[CheGuevara]

you asked who would know better

So stop talking as if I attempted to "prove you wrong".

but by asking me who knows, better, you were implying that the italian police in the source you copied and paste in your post were against me and that my research document source said something different from what the italian police had to say. as for the italian police, i think the ncis is the national criminal something something in italy.

[thewestside]

I have already given plenty of evidence that the Italians are not only still in Milan, but have only increased their presence there in recent years. So the Albanians didn't exactly "throw them out," did they? Likewise, others sources have said the Albanians are free to control the rackets they do in Milan precisely because the Italians (specifcially the 'Ndrangheta) are not interested in controlling them.

This is Johnny's problem. He cherrypicks only certain sources (the ones that he wants to hear) while ignoring others, and therefore fails to see the whole picture. In other words, same old story.

[Dobre]

razbojnik: macedonian crime lords did this way before, but they stayed out of the media due to their connections to aliens.

But let me get back on subject. Why is this conflict between Greece and Macedonia important and especially now? Lets get to the root of it and see how it all connects to the illuminati and the reptilian agenda and why you should be very concerned.

The first time Macedonia enters the big picture (at least as far as we know, although there are indications this was a cradle for the first civilization on the Europe mainland) is 2300 years ago with the birth of Alexander.

Big surprise there, the mother of Alexander was obsessed with snakes and always claimed his real father was 'a god'. On two accounts Alexander was helped by 'flying shields' in the sky, sometimes interfering directly with his battles. What was the ultimate goal of Alexander?

Babylon. The place where all the blood lines started with the reptilians and the Annunaki (although it goes even farther back than that). Why was he so obsessed with conquering Babylon? Was it really his wish or someone else had it all mapped out for him? Was he really all that good and conquered most of the known world or maybe he had outside help? What did he do after he conquered all these unconnected lands? He set up a network of cities, all under one rule. That was my friends the start of the New World Order setup for better or worse. The infrastructure was laid for the later civilizations to come and further the agenda, such as the Romans.. but that is another story.

It also makes you really wonder what made Alexander hate the Greeks so much that he burned Thebes to the ground (leaving only the house of the poet Pindar), killing most in sight and selling everyone who survived to slavery. Ask any Greek today and they will tell you that Alexander was a Greek, but I am getting ahead of myself on the nature of the conflict between Macedonia and Greece today.

Fast forward 2200 years in the future. The Balkan wars. Long story short Macedonia as it was partitioned in 3 parts and mercilessly split between Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia. Yes a big chunk of the ancient and old Greece as they so like to proclaim it is a mere 95 years old.. nothing more.

http://www.levi-tarot.co.uk/Macedonia.html

Whoops.

[CheGuevara]

I have already given plenty of evidence that the Italians are not only still in Milan, but have only increased their presence there in recent years. So the Albanians didn't exactly "throw them out," did they? Likewise, others sources have said the Albanians are free to control the rackets they do in Milan precisely because the Italians (specifcially the 'Ndrangheta) are not interested in controlling them.

This is Johnny's problem. He cherrypicks only certain sources (the ones that he wants to hear) while ignoring others, and therefore fails to see the whole picture. In other words, same old story.

your source did not say the n'drangheta isn't interested in controlling albanians so albanians are free to control prostitution. your source said n'drangheta is not interested in controlling milan. whether they could if they wanted to was not said. the fact remains, the albanian criminals have become the powerhouse group in milan. they battled italian criminal families and won against them.

recent years (2009 and recently) because of a growing cocaine demand, n'drangheta has started to capitalize on the slow change in shift and has moved some cocaine operations to milan. however, the albanians mafia confronted the italians in 1999 and by 2001 established themselves as the strongest criminals in the city by winning the power struggle. whether or not italian groups have moved interests back to milan after that is not important. what is important is what i'm arguing and i'm arguing that the albanian clans are the strongest criminals in milan and that they kicked out the italians from the top position. which they did.

[PolakoMafia]

Sounds like Mexico. They should team up with the Mexican cartels and conquer the world.

[Faciulina]

recent years (2009 and recently) because of a growing cocaine demand, n'drangheta has started to capitalize on the slow change in shift and has moved some cocaine operations to milan. however, the albanians mafia confronted the italians in 1999 and by 2001 established themselves as the strongest criminals in the city by winning the power struggle. whether or not italian groups have moved interests back to milan after that is not important. what is important is what i'm arguing and i'm arguing that the albanian clans are the strongest criminals in milan and that they kicked out the italians from the top position. which they did.

yes the ndrangheta moved just some cocaine operations in milan lol the albanian king lords control milan... stop dreaming moron today 2009 the albanians are not even the strongest among foreign groups morocons and romanians far surpassed them in milan i don't care if you believe it or not it's the reality for people who live in milan city know it and they especially know the ndrangheta litterally control the whole city and hinterland

[CheGuevara]

Sounds like Mexico. They should team up with the Mexican cartels and conquer the world.

then maybe the mexican and albanian cartels can create their own religion and create their own country too. do you hear yourself?

[Azure9920]

Sounds like Mexico. They should team up with the Mexican cartels and conquer the world.

I think Charles Manson should unite with the Mexican Cartels and the Mafia and take over the world.

[Dobre]

Sounds like Mexico. They should team up with the Mexican cartels and conquer the world.

I think Charles Manson should unite with the Mexican Cartels and the Mafia and take over the world.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

[Dobre]

Sounds like Mexico. They should team up with the Mexican cartels and conquer the world.

then maybe the mexican and albanian cartels can create their own religion and create their own country too. do you hear yourself?

The day I eat a fried pig at one of your mosques that will happen.

[PolakoMafia]

You all realize that for over 100 years the dominant ethnicity of org crime has by far been Italian.

Well, Law Enforcement in the US and Europe has decimated the Italians over the last 20 years. The Italian Govt finally made a stand and severely crippled them.
The USA destroyed the Italians too.

All this has allowed the other ethnicities to grow in strength.

That is the only reason that anyone is "overpowering" the Italians.

[CheGuevara]

that is because albanian and russian organized crime was under communist rule which didn't allow neither to flourish like italy and america's democratic system allowed italian organized crime to flourish.

also, the italian mafia seems to only be growing every passing year in europe, so your theory of them being crushed by the government goes down the drain. i don't know when the italian mafia in europe was at it's peak but it is growing tremendously every year.

go play with charles manson now and take over the underworld.

[Dobre]

that is because albanian and russian organized crime was under communist rule which didn't allow neither to flourish like italy and america's democratic system allowed italian organized crime to flourish.

also, the italian mafia seems to only be growing every passing year in europe, so your theory of them being crushed by the government goes down the drain. i don't know when the italian mafia in europe was at it's peak but it is growing tremendously every year.

go play with charles manson now and take over the underworld.

LOL. I'll correct four things, and tell the truth on why things are the way they are:

1. Russian organized crime flourishes because it's funded by the Russian government.
2. Albanian organized crime flourishes because it's funded by the American government.
3. Bulgarian organized crime flourishes because it's funded by Russian organized crime.
4. Macedonian organized crime flourishes because it's funded by Bulgarian organized crime.

[Faciulina]

Albanian organized crime flourishes because it's funded by the American government.

wrong, albanian mob was funded by italian mafia in the 80s

[Dobre]

Albanian organized crime flourishes because it's funded by the American government.

wrong, albanian mob was funded by italian mafia in the 80s

LOL. Italian mafia was funded by the Macedonians, Bulgarians and Albanians in the 1500's.

[Faciulina]

Italian mafia was funded by the Macedonians, Bulgarians and Albanians in the 1500's.

loooooooool it's the most stupid thing i've ever heard on this forum even though it's already full of stupidities

[Dobre]

Italian mafia was funded by the Macedonians, Bulgarians and Albanians in the 1500's.

loooooooool it's the most stupid thing i've ever heard on this forum even though it's already full of stupidities

If you call your ancestors stupid, then do as you wish. They're both our ancestors so you're insulting yourself as well. You should consider yourself lucky to have the same blood flowing through those vains as I do. I'm royalty. Do you want to be royalty? Then accept your origin.

There were freemasons in my town since the 1600s

On another note

Штип криминално побезбеден од Скопје, но поризичен од Охрид и Велес
Четврток, 06 Август 2009 17:49

Translation: Stip criminally safer than Skopje, but more dangerous than Ohrid and Veles.



За живеење, Штип побезбеден од Скопје, ама поризичен од Охрид и Велес. Последните анализи на сторениот криминал во поголемите мекадонски градови покажуваат дека, од вкупно 12. 224 регистрираните кривични дела во првите 6 месеци од годината во Штип се случиле 609.

Translation: For living, Stip is safer than Skopje, but it's worse than Ohrid and veles. The last crime reports show that within 6 months, 224 people reported criminal activities to the police(something that is very rare here because the police doesn't do anything anyhow), and that during the year 609 people reported crimes.

LOL. About 1,000 people are victims or suspects of crime on a daily basis here, but who gives a shit? It's safe, so Germans, English, French and Americans can come and stay in our hotels and go to our nightclubs and eat in our resturaunts.

Oh whoops, too late, not alot of French come, there's maybe 2 Americans in town that are Macedonian citizens, Germans come more often and English more often than Americans. There's more people from the Netherlands and Switzerland on the other hand.

[thewestside]

your source did not say the n'drangheta isn't interested in controlling albanians so albanians are free to control prostitution. your source said n'drangheta is not interested in controlling milan. whether they could if they wanted to was not said. the fact remains, the albanian criminals have become the powerhouse group in milan. they battled italian criminal families and won against them.

You don't have any substantial proof that there were ever any "battles" between the Italians and Albanians. And, no, I'm not going to even consider you phantom article that you have yet to produce that talks about dead Italians.

Where is the evidence of these bloody battles in which the Albanians took over Milan by force Johnny? I guess the same place your evidence is about Albanians pushing aside the Mafia in New York - only in your head.

The only article that you've provided that even mentions conflict in Milan is the one below. And as I've pointed out many times, it contradicts your claims.

But the government admits that the crime wave is linked to the local Mafia working alongside Albanian criminal organisations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/253148.stm

recent years (2009 and recently) because of a growing cocaine demand, n'drangheta has started to capitalize on the slow change in shift and has moved some cocaine operations to milan. however, the albanians mafia confronted the italians in 1999 and by 2001 established themselves as the strongest criminals in the city by winning the power struggle. whether or not italian groups have moved interests back to milan after that is not important. what is important is what i'm arguing and i'm arguing that the albanian clans are the strongest criminals in milan and that they kicked out the italians from the top position. which they did.

The Albanians "confronted" The Italians? LOL! Only in your wet dreams Johnny.

"The 'Ndrangheta is different from other Mafia-style organizations," the ROS agents maintain. "It has only one objective: business. And in order to make the biggest profit it is prepared to forge alliances with anybody: with the Moroccans, with the Egyptians, with the Turks. The Calabrian bosses are not interested in controlling the Milanese territory. And sure enough the Albanian gangs are free to run the prostitution racket without any interference."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/de ... ainsection

But Dr Di Pietro stresses that the expansion of gangs from across the Adriatic does not mean the Italian mafia has surrendered ground. "No Albanian group would ever be capable of taking on the Camorra or Cosa Nostra" he says. "The fact that there have been no turf wars between Italian and Albanian mafia is significant. They have evidently made a pact. Cosa Nostra will tolerate outsiders only if there is some gain; otherwise it will wipe them out."
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-5058139.html

[thewestside]

Another question is, why is Johnny simply RECYCLING these same, tired sources? He's already done it dozens of times. Does he actually think he'll convince anyone this time around even though he has failed to again and again? Yeah, he'll claim that he doesn't care if nobody believes him because the authorities believe him. Well, they don't. But if he doesn't care if people here believe him, why does he keep posting this BS?

A) Because he has no life and nothing better to do

B) Because he can't stand there not being at least one current thread about Albanians taking over something

C) Both A and B

[CheGuevara]

Yeah, he'll claim that he doesn't care if nobody believes him because the authorities believe him. Well, they don't. But if he doesn't care if people here believe him, why does he keep posting this BS?

Albanian mafia targets Britain
Heavily-armed gangs throw out Italian families to seize control of the criminal underworld in Milan

NCIS investigators said the power of the groups, which recently took control of the criminal underworld in Milan after a two-year power struggle, must not be underestimated.

"They threw out the Italian mafia families," said an NCIS source. "That is how violent they are."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1999/sep/07/nickhopkins

Albanian
criminal groups for example, have “disrupted organized crime in Italy, ousting the
traditional Mafia from Milan within the last two years”, and have expanded so
effectively that British law enforcement is concerned that they will try to establish
themselves in the UK.

http://www.saferworld.org.uk/images/pub ... 0crime.pdf

In the north, the Albanians have taken the prostitution racket away from the country's toughest Mafia branch, the 'Ndrangheta.

http://www.balkanpeace.org/index.php?in ... cleid=7603

Albanian criminal groups operating in Milan, "have become so powerful running prostitution rackets that they have even taken over the Calabrians in strength and influence."

http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/2/2743/1.html

[CheGuevara]

You don't have any substantial proof that there were ever any "battles" between the Italians and Albanians.

just because i don't have every single killing in italy linked to the albanian mob on track, it doesn't mean there isn't any. i gave you multiple sources claiming the albanians took or removed the mafia from mila by force.

"The 'Ndrangheta is different from other Mafia-style organizations," the ROS agents maintain. "It has only one objective: business. And in order to make the biggest profit it is prepared to forge alliances with anybody: with the Moroccans, with the Egyptians, with the Turks. The Calabrian bosses are not interested in controlling the Milanese territory. And sure enough the Albanian gangs are free to run the prostitution racket without any interference."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/de ... ainsection

i don't even know what this has to do with anything :S all this says is that n'drangheta is not interested in controlling milan. it says nothing about them being stronger than albanians in milan and it even mentions that albanian clans have a grip on the prostitution there. this source only strenghtens my case :S what a moron.

But Dr Di Pietro stresses that the expansion of gangs from across the Adriatic does not mean the Italian mafia has surrendered ground. "No Albanian group would ever be capable of taking on the Camorra or Cosa Nostra" he says. "The fact that there have been no turf wars between Italian and Albanian mafia is significant. They have evidently made a pact. Cosa Nostra will tolerate outsiders only if there is some gain; otherwise it will wipe them out."
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-5058139.html

of course there have been no turf wars. no albanian group would try to grab hold of calabria, apulia, naples or sicily. this article is in rome, what is really funny is that he's talking about the albanian mafia in connection to cosa nostra and the camorra where it's been shown that the albanian mafia is primarily linked to these organizations in naples, rome and sicily but not in the north. it's been shown that the n'drangheta has the link to the albanian mafia in the north as well as beyond italy.

my sources weigh in heavier than yours. sorry dickhead, but you fail to prove your point. out-debated by a man half your age

[thewestside]

of course there have been no turf wars. no albanian group would try to grab hold of calabria, apulia, naples or sicily. this article is in rome, what is really funny is that he's talking about the albanian mafia in connection to cosa nostra and the camorra where it's been shown that the albanian mafia is primarily linked to these organizations in naples, rome and sicily but not in the north. it's been shown that the n'drangheta has the link to the albanian mafia in the north as well as beyond italy.

my sources weigh in heavier than yours. sorry dickhead, but you fail to prove your point. out-debated by a man half your age

LOL! You think your sources "weigh heavier" simply because they say what you want to hear. We both know that's the only reason. And it never ceases to amaze me how you continue to project your own misinterpretations into anything. Where in the quote by Di Pietro above does he say anything about just talking about the southern regions? Nowhere! He was referring to Italian and Albanian organized crime in general, including the north where obviously the Albanians are the most active.

I not only have my sources, I also have your lack of any source whatsoever that talks about actual conflicts between Italians and Albanians. You don't need a list of every Italian killed, just something more than references to this supposed war that there is no evidence of. This is just like the theories put forth about Albanians pushing aside or squeezing out the Mafia here in the U.S. Some talk here and there but actually no real evidence of it!

So you just keep doing random Google searches and keep recycling those quotes Johnny. Get back to me and the rest of the board when you actually come up with something conclusive.

[CheGuevara]

no, my sources weigh heavier because they are specific and state exactly what's going on. the article you brought in by dr. dipietro (the single article you have going against me and it's fuzzy at best) does state the albanian mafia steers clear of the north which is a complete lie because the albanian mafia is active in naples, apulia, calabria and sicily but not nearly to the extent that they are in the north. the article is in rome and dr. dipietro was proved wrong about him saying, "there have been no turf wars," because there has been as proved by my multiple sources. not to mention dipietro is a doctor first and only recently turned into the field of law enforcement.

last year, two albanians were killed by a morrocan gang. i know this because i seen it on the news. but i've tried to locate the article of why, where, when this happened and couldn't. your single argument rests on, "there is no evidence" because i'm too lazy to spend hours digging for multiple italian murders blamed on the albanian mafia.

you have one sources that proved itself wrong twice. i have mutliple sources saying one clear thing.

[CheGuevara]

no, my sources weigh heavier because they are specific and state exactly what's going on. the article you brought in by dr. dipietro (the single article you have going against me and it's fuzzy at best) states the albanian mafia steers clear of the south which is a complete lie because the albanian mafia is active in naples, apulia, calabria and sicily but not nearly to the extent that they are in the north. the article is in rome and dr. dipietro was proved wrong about him saying, "there have been no turf wars," because there has been as proved by my multiple sources. not to mention dipietro is a doctor first and only recently turned into the field of law enforcement.

last year, two albanians were killed by a morrocan gang. i know this because i seen it on the news. but i've tried to locate the article of why, where, when this happened and couldn't. your single argument rests on, "there is no evidence" because i'm too lazy to spend hours digging for multiple italian murders blamed on the albanian mafia but you don't even take into consideration how difficult it is to find even one murder linked to the albanian mafia because of my inability to speak italian and search for it properly.

you have one sources that proved itself wrong twice. i have mutliple sources saying one clear thing.