punamusta wrote:I think the police is same everywhere. You have to be a certain type of person to even wanting to be a cop. Not that many normal people want to make a career out of bullying and commanding people.
That's true. An ancient philosopher said that once, not sure if it was Plato or Aristotle, that people are born to be one of three things - intellectuals(scientists, politicians, lawyers, doctors, artists, philosophers etc.), workers(craftsmen, physical labor, etc) or soldiers(cops, soldiers, criminals, etc.).
True. And for those reasons, I don't see western society such a "dreamland" for people. The pressure is huge and it's on constantly. People can lose their jobs so fast, and are then left to survive in a society that hates the poor people and values only the ones that have a career and money. In modern day western society, the corporates are the ones holding the power. They can legally rob and steal from the people by giving them very low salaries, and then making huge money out of those poor people's fysical contribution.
It's hard to make a decision. Most people will choose material wealth over emotional wealth. Choosing between Macedonia and Canada, you can either have Macedonia with emotional wealth and happiness(when I'm in Macedonia, I laugh a minimum of 3-4 times a day, when I'm in Canada I laugh 3-4 times a week, let alone comparing smiling) or Canada with financial stability, but no emotional happiness. And it is true, if you have a good position in a company, people will lick your ass and you will make alot of good friends. To me, as an intellectual, I would take every step to discourage people to lick my ass if I was in this position just because I was raised on air-tight moral standards. While having been through alot of pain and suffering in my short young life, I would love to see the same type of people who are willing to put me through this pain by making me beg for a promotion, recognition, positivity towards me, lick my ass and beg me for something instead. Problem is I don't have the patience to get to that position. I was raised in between both factions - both the elite and counter-elite - as my mom comes from an aristocratic line and my dad from a poor family(yet went rags to riches in Macedonia, despising the elite in the process who were the only people who stood in their way). So I was raised with both ideals. I know it's not good to look down on people who have less and it's a wise thing to help them whenever you can, but I also know it's unwise to not make an effort to fit in with higher classes in order to attract opportunities from somebody who genuinely values your effort(and North America has those types of miracle people lurking in the background somewhere), nor is it wise to shove an opportunity away just because you are bitter for being poor. Even personal experience has taught me this. I have both friends and relatives who are both poor and rich, elite and counterelite, government and underworld. My mother's brother in the US is a scientist and has worked for the CIA before, as well as the Pentagon, NASA and for defense contractors such as Boeing, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin and values structure and order - the reason he lives in the DC area is because of how well protected that city is even though he could make a better living working in Silicon Valley for example, my mother's father was a colonel in the Yugoslav People's Army, my mother's mother was a bank lawyer for 40 years, my mother's sister is a high ranking position in the Macedonian Ministry of interior(the police), so you can tell they have a strong faith in the justice system and the government, even though I know they know sometimes you have to play dirty to get what you want, especially in a broken world like the one we live in. On my dad's side, you have a priest, a magician, my father's mother was a homemaker, my father's father worked in a factory most of his life, my dad's brother is an electric engineer but works in a factory for minimum wage making shoes, my dad's sister does the same, my dad himself works a security guard in Canada for minimum wage, my dad's 1st cousin from my grandfather's side made a living as a drummer and wrestling club owner in Zagreb in the 80's and used to perform with legends such as Dusko Lokin and Miso Kovac, but was forced to flee during the wars and now spends his time gambling to make a living(he's good at it) and his brother works in a restaurant as a waiter owned by another relative of my dad's(and his son, my 2nd cousin works as a waiter in a hotel owned by the drug boss uncle of mine). So you know..
Empathy and solidarity has died a long ago in west - something that still lives on in a poorer countries and help people to live on without depression and other mental illnesses. In west, when you lose your job, you're basically all alone. You can't even spend time with your friends as you used to, because you don't have the money to go to movies or have a beer in a bar, etc. You are left alone, watching TV that only shows you the wealthy and successful people, underlining the fact that you are now a second class citizen. In western society, you either have a job, or you're nothing.
It's a shame, isn't it? Alot of people take the bait, but then again alot of people look through this, like me and you. It's us who truly suffer being awake.
See, that's what I'm saying. On the contrary, Iceland is actually pretty safe lol..
True. Middle and higher class Finns do live relatively well - Finland is an average EU-country in that sense. Our welfare isn't that good, it's actually well below the average in EU, lower than for example in Italy or in UK even if you count the share euros you'll get from the goverment - even though our country is far more expensive than Italy. I think that foreign people often confuse us to be same as Scandinavia, which is pretty far from the truth. Scandinavian countries have the best welfare system in the EU, but we are far behind it and the gap is only getting bigger and bigger. I think one descriptive way to tell the difference between Finland and Scandinavia is that we have here breadlines in every bigger cities where poor people line up for outdated food every week for hours and hours, and there's always couple of hundred people per line and the numbers are constantly growing. Like this way (in both cases the line goes on and on inside of the buildings, too):
That's something you really don't see in Scandinavian countries, as their welfare is enough for people to actually buy food. We also get massive, several hundreds of tons of food-aid from EU every year.
I always knew Finland was kinda down compared to Sweden and Norway. Finland, after all, does have a history with Russia. Any country that has a history with Russia isn't so well off in the 21st century lol..
And Finns are from a different tribe right? Not so much as your Nord neighbors..
Macedonians don't speak english as their native language
Of course in an Anglo-Saxon nation, the ones that share the same language, get more attention. You know, all over the world the english-speaking nations have always been seen as something better than all the rest.
Thank you... I feel alot of tension around alot of Canadians coming from their side, like I pose a threat to them or something. I grew up in Canada, but I learned my street smarts in Macedonia. My english is almost accent free, or maybe it's the way I talk, like how a New Yorker would talk for example, that scares people off? I can't change my mentality though.. It's how I was raised. I either have a Bourne series type mentality, a spy mentality, a CIA mentality - for my natural English side, the one I learned in school here. Or I have a mafia mentality, my natural Macedonian side, that came inherited.
But there you go, I always wondered why Macedonians are so awesome in Macedonia(and foreigners notice this when they go to Macedonia) but somehow they have alot of social troubles when they go on to live in Western society, where the mentality of the people is a 1000x easier, simpler and safer than in Macedonia. I always wondered this... It's a phenomenon to me, the reason why I would want to study languages, anthropology, sociology and social psychology.
I guess they only inflate the egos of nations who they understand(or a big fraction of the foundation for their culture stems from). Alot of youth, especially high schoolers in North America have some type of fascination with Jamaicans. Same goes with white Americans/Canadians and thinking how awesome it is that the Irish get drunk. I wonder what the Germans think about this..
Yeah, they've always been thought of as the better countries because they are pretty good in economic standards for their own people. This is a new type of takeover - instead of military takeover it's economic takeover. Use the CIA to destabilize the Balkans - break up Yugoslavia - a country that had higher standards than most of Europe in it's time, where it becomes one of the worst regions in the world in just 10 short years(usually it takes hundreds of years for a region to become as fucked up as we did in such a short time, I mean we've always been fucked up but it was never our fault as much as the empires that decided to wage war on our territory for 2,000 years). That's a pretty damn good accomplishment. And now you have dumb people from Balkan countries willing to kill for us to join the EU. And of course, there are people very smart and very capable - who aren't all about stealing government funds or helping the US destabilize the country while in power - but these people will never be allowed to take power.
Still, America, Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zeland have some of the best living standards in the world. And the British empire was historically territorially the largest empire on this planet. But what's the point? English people are internationally known for being repugnant, boring, unattractive and repellant, that lack character, color and charm and what's even worse now is their descendants in America, Canada and Australia who have lost touch with roots that make them European. Now America is the largest exporter of anti-culture.
Yea, I think there is no country in the world that would have a serious organized crime going on without the police backing it up. That's just the way it is.
That's always how it's going to be. Remember that the police can be a criminal organization in itself if it wanted to, funded by the government's taxes and resources.
So the structure is OC takes over a commercial sector just as Walmart would want to take over retail on American territory for example, and just as OC Walmart is willing to send a hitman to kill off rising and threatening competition and if it can't since the opponent is just as powerful or threatening - just like OC, it has a sit down offering negotiation and diplomacy - and just like OC - economic warfare - infiltration or simply opening up a Walmart in the vicinity of their competition's store pressuring them into closing down by having lower prices. Same like when a dealer with low prices moves into an area, other drug dealers and gangs want to take a piece, but if they can't, they try to push him out - mostly through force - rarely through economic warfare. After all, tainting a supply requires force in OC. In Walmart, all you have to do is hire a bunch of insubordinate employees who will screw something up with the labelling system.
The police, or government, answers to the highest bidder. Also, the police and government is less under pressure of having to take down a Walmart because their products can be scientifically proven safe by ANYONE(it doesn't have to be an accredited state sponsored agency), while heroin, not so much. So it all comes down to public pressure. Who needs cheap food and clothing of good quality? EVERYBODY! But does everybody need drugs.. ? Especially ones that are highly potent and highly available..
I don't even know where to start when pharmaceutical companies come into place.. Painkillers all have morphine in them, which is made out of opium.
See.. North America has a good practical system, it's good in practice, while Eastern society might be better in theory. This is why Russian miners' universities in Macedonia offer only theory, but no practice. So a geologist goes to a mine and doesn't know what to do. This is why collages in America and Canada will get you more work than university will - because it's hands on. Americans and Canadians are constantly experimenting and they always keep what they concluded simple and easily understandable - like how hundreds of books of information are compressed into one textbook in American collages. And then because it's easy to understand, it's up to the professor to confuse what you think you know to at least make some sort of effort to seem as if the education system truly makes you try.
Politically, nobody listens to America. They're full of shit on alot of things, they keep talking about yesterday's news, because America is isolated, Americans have to live this movie, this reality. Places like Europe move on, and things that would work socially or politically in America would not work in Europe. So America has a strong military..
Which brings us to the question - America will eventually be culturally, professionally(intellectually) and economically dominated by European and Asian countries. They only have the military to really enforce their interests. In the next 100 years, America will be a second rate power. NATO can't fight a conventional war against the SCO. And America is desperate to guarantee itself long-term prosperity - what's a good ally other than the Middle East? Historically Arabs are pretty hard and prosperous people. Why not destabilize the Arab League and then make it an ally? Now you have balance against the SCO. It's not just about oil or drugs.
I can only imagine the hilarity of the situation where my uncles and their Albanian, Russian, Turkish, Bulgarian, Serbian, Italian and Kurdish friends get into a drug war with the military contractors hired by pharmaceutical firms in Afghanistan - especially when both sides work for the American government..
