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Lazarat Annually Produces 900 Tons Of Marijuana

Unread postby Dobre » October 31st, 2013, 5:57 am

Albania: Village Of Lazarat Annually Produces 900 Tons Of Marijuana

One kilogram of the marijuana can be bought “wholesale” in the Albanian village of Lazarat, famous for the production of narcotic plants, at an average price of 350 euros.

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To those who export the marijuana, it is sold at a price of 500 euros. For larger groups, which have motor boats, and smuggle marijuana into Greece and Italy, the price is 800 euros per kilo.

Interestingly, for the Italian groups, marijuana is being processed, since it is being sold for a much higher price. The average price of marijuana in western countries is about 5 euros per gram, EUR 5,000 per kilogram in total.

Denovive Stefano Bostoni, Chief of the Italian Air Force units in Tirana, said that Lazarat, also called “cannabis”, annually produces 900 tons of marijuana, mainly of Dutch varieties, which brings profit of 4.5 billion of euros. The most problematic areas where marijuana is grown are around the area of ​​Valona, Shkodra, Tirana and Durres.

In July 2012, Albanian police started the operation for the extermination of narcotics plants in Lazarat, and throughout the country. At the time, 5 thousand cannabis sativa plants were destroyed, and five people were arrested.

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Is that weed any good? Not that many people nowadays want to smoke outdoor weed anymore, as indo is far more potential..

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Unread postby punamusta » December 14th, 2013, 11:05 am

BTW, how's it going, Dobre? Still living in Canada or did you come back to Balkans?

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Unread postby Dobre » December 15th, 2013, 12:47 am

punamusta wrote:Is that weed any good? Not that many people nowadays want to smoke outdoor weed anymore, as indo is far more potential..


I don't know if it's any good or not to be honest.. Like they say, 3 percent of the world's marijuana is produced in Albania. I think they just try to produce as much as possible and don't really care much about the quality when profit is the main thing in mind. I mean, 900 tons a year? I don't know how they would still go about doing it especially that the police has tried taking down the grow ops over there... And the problem is why would the police go over there in the first place? Aren't they paid off? It just raises eyebrows whenever the police try to do "good" in a mafia state. Some individual police officers might have signed up on the academy with doing "good" in mind, but their salaries average around 200-300 Euros a month in the Balkan countries so I guess they just follow a commander's orders whenever he says there's a boss we need to take down and even that they know their commanders and chiefs regularly have dinner with mafia bosses I suspect the really decent ones are actually thankful for the chance to do any good at all, even if it's in the interests of someone worse than the person they're about to take down. Who can complain? Alot might sign up with doing good deeds in mind, some sign up because they want to have power, but most in the end become corrupted by the society there. Not enough pay? And you want them to go after somebody that has a gun or a criminal organization standing behind them worth hundreds of millions of Euros? With their salary? When even the secret service is run by OC? They don't even have bulletproof vests.

But the marijuana is probably shit. I've smoked Macedonian marijuana and it wasn't even as nearly as potent as the kush I smoked in Canada.

punamusta wrote:BTW, how's it going, Dobre? Still living in Canada or did you come back to Balkans?


I'm in Canada now.. Fuck the Balkans. I stayed over in Macedonia for 3 years. That's enough for me. I'm part of more scandals over there in a single month than I am here in an entire year, and I'm only a bystander, a tourist. I found out some things about some people, some good some bad, some stuff I could take advantage of, but what's the point? That place mentally and physically exhausted me. I went in there with the teenage dream of living a life of a gangster and came out saying fuck all of this, fuck you all, this is not worth my time or nerves. Being a gangster in America or Canada is different.. Normal people leave you alone so you have the feds and underworld to worry about but that's it. Over there normal people act like gangsters with eachother so you don't know who is involved in what - the society is a mess. You have older generations that lived through the Socialist times, that relied on government funds, that never saved up. Tito paid for everything, you never had to worry about anything. Then you have younger post Tito generations who are Capitalist minded, who show lower morality than American youth, who know how to lie and cheat and steal better than most Western CEO's but nowhere or nobody to steal from that is worth stealing from without getting murdered. It's either that, or most of them are trying to flee the country to go live and work and study in the EU, in Australia, in Canada/the US. Two years ago the US embassy in Skopje decided to let in thousands of Macedonian university students in the US for the summer to work there(the program is designed so you end up paying more to go work there than you come back with if you save up over there).

Out of 300 students that went there from Stip, my hometown, only a 1/4 came back. Same thing happened last year. So this year visas were denied to 90 percent of applicants. One of the applicants, I saw him emptying an ATM like it's his money, people passing by didn't even look at him. I just stood there laughing at him, we shook hands, asked eachother what's new, he got into an SUV and drove off somewhere with the money. And that's that.

I just have alot of family in the Balkans, but the situation is getting worse there every year so I don't consider it a place to live anywhere within the next 20 years at least. I just visit every summer.

How about you, what's new with you? How's Finland?

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Bandits, bandits everywhere I tell you

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And disappointments...we tried getting this guy laid, the one in the white t-shirt, with the sexy bitch to his right, but as you can see from the way he looks at her at the end.. Best friends I've ever had though, good people..


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Dobre wrote:I think they just try to produce as much as possible and don't really care much about the quality when profit is the main thing in mind. I mean, 900 tons a year? I don't know how they would still go about doing it especially that the police has tried taking down the grow ops over there... And the problem is why would the police go over there in the first place? Aren't they paid off? It just raises eyebrows whenever the police try to do "good" in a mafia state.


Yea, seems strange. I think it's pretty obvious that police atleast were paid off if this scale of marihuana growing is possible in such a small country as Albania. Maybe the police wanted more money from them or had some other disagreements with the growers?


Being a gangster in America or Canada is different.. Normal people leave you alone so you have the feds and underworld to worry about but that's it. Over there normal people act like gangsters with eachother so you don't know who is involved in what - the society is a mess. You have older generations that lived through the Socialist times, that relied on government funds, that never saved up. Tito paid for everything, you never had to worry about anything. Then you have younger post Tito generations who are Capitalist minded, who show lower morality than American youth, who know how to lie and cheat and steal better than most Western CEO's but nowhere or nobody to steal from that is worth stealing from without getting murdered.


I can imagine that.. I used to talk to a lot of older people from Russia, who said the same. Even though their communist system had problems in it, poor people still lived better than they live now. And the younger generation seems wasted. In a dog-eat-dog society which is based on a contest of who can have it good and who will not, people turn cold-blooded and selfish towards each others. And everybody is watching TV that is showing how well rich people live, and how that's something that we all should want. That only means that people try to chase that illusion by all means necessary. And a job with a minimun wage won't cut it, so they try other ways. And the situation is only getting worse all around Europe, but it's worst in Eastern Europe, as the middle-class consist a smaller amount of people there. So it basically leaves only two groups of people: the poor ones and the rich ones. And the poor ones wants what the rich ones have, but instead of starting a revolution, they start to do crimes as they see it's their only way to get a nice car, nice house, and a pool in the backyard.

How about you, what's new with you? How's Finland?


Nothing much new in here. Step by step we are becoming a "little America" like every nation under the EU. More and more open markets, more money to rich people, less to poor people. We already have a higher lifetime difference between the poor and the rich than in any Western European nation, and it's just growing, because now the goverment have started to get rid off the public, cheap health care. Rich people don't want to pay taxes to support it, so it must be gone. Already at the last year, the Finns that had the highest incomes, were all from the health care industry. Kinda like in Russia after the communist era when the richest people were (and still are) the ones that had gained massive benefits of privatazing the goverment owned companies. Same, but in smaller scale is starting to happen in here, too. Health care is the first one, followed by energy industry, public transport systems, etc. Few people will get insanely rich because of this evolution.

So more and more American and European "culture", as they are so excellent people and we are just simple forrest-people who needs to be civilized. Soon Europe is just one ugly bulk of one plastic culture that adores only the money and the ones with that.

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Unread postby punamusta » December 15th, 2013, 10:55 am

Only positive thing nowadays is that the police finaly got caught of taking payments from one O.C. group. The head of the drug police has been locked up for few weeks already and will be prosecuted of money laundering, several frauds, few drug felonies, etc. This is a very good news for this country, as most of the Finns believe in police like others believe in God. You know, police cannot do anything wrong if you'll ask from an average Finn. That's why police has so many rights here - there's basically nothing that the police couldn't do in this country. If some police from the streets want to come to your home and mess it all up, it's okay. They don't need any permissions for that. If you say 'no', they still come. They can also do that without you knowing it, and has no obligation to inform you of it. And that's for every people, not only the ones that are suspects. Police here can rape little girls, kill their wifes, beat up people, rape women in bars, sell drugs, etc. and they will not be sentenced to any kind of punishments. Most of them won't even lose their jobs. And all of those examples have happened and not only once. There's even was a video where one police came to a young boy and told him that they have decided in a police station to beat up that young boy and no one will be witnessing it when it happens. All in the video and the police didn't even get a notification of that. He's still in a job.

Finnish police will not make mistakes, so why should they be punished. That's the way of thinking in here...

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punamusta wrote:Only positive thing nowadays is that the police finaly got caught of taking payments from one O.C. group. The head of the drug police has been locked up for few weeks already and will be prosecuted of money laundering, several frauds, few drug felonies, etc. This is a very good news for this country, as most of the Finns believe in police like others believe in God. You know, police cannot do anything wrong if you'll ask from an average Finn. That's why police has so many rights here - there's basically nothing that the police couldn't do in this country. If some police from the streets want to come to your home and mess it all up, it's okay. They don't need any permissions for that. If you say 'no', they still come. They can also do that without you knowing it, and has no obligation to inform you of it. And that's for every people, not only the ones that are suspects. Police here can rape little girls, kill their wifes, beat up people, rape women in bars, sell drugs, etc. and they will not be sentenced to any kind of punishments. Most of them won't even lose their jobs. And all of those examples have happened and not only once. There's even was a video where one police came to a young boy and told him that they have decided in a police station to beat up that young boy and no one will be witnessing it when it happens. All in the video and the police didn't even get a notification of that. He's still in a job.

Finnish police will not make mistakes, so why should they be punished. That's the way of thinking in here...


Jesus..

See that's the same thinking in Canada too.. The police are protectors, blah blah blah. People do question their authority alot, so when they make mistakes they make sure they pay for it, but that's the mentality here - it's not only the police - it's at every level of society. They basically nag you to death about doing something right until you finally have no life left in you. Everywhere. Work, school, on the streets, everywhere. That's why the mayor of Toronto Rob Ford went through such a fiasco.. And that's why instead of handling it like a professional, like a US mayor would, he acted like a child all through it.. That's how people are here, artificial, they're socially isolated or exposed to constant negativity and discouragement that they've lost the will to be independent and creative in life, so say you're working with somebody 90 percent of the time they don't talk to you unless you talk to them but finally when the time comes that they talk to you, 90 percent of the time it's something negative - criticism, threats, cheap provocations, etc.

So while Canada is known as a peaceful country, there's a very bad social life here, especially in the town where I am. It's upscale, but cliquish. Every person that has lived in Toronto has literally no friends here for some reason, even though people from Toronto are more social than these people here.

Americans, even though people complain alot about them, are warmer, more open and direct than Canadians. Alot of Americans might be obviously dumb ad shallow, but at least they can keep a conversation going. My average conversation with a Canadian is like 40 seconds and then they make facial expressions and bodily movements like they have riggo mortis, and you have to leave them alone.

When Canadians get into fights with eachother, it's a sad and pathetic thing to watch drag on for a half hour. But when an immigrant gets into a fight with a Canadian, the police comes out of nowhere like spiderman.

Everything else is soft in this country. People are miserable pussies who either want to prove their worth through negative actions or too shallow to be interesting to Europeans. I was actually thinking about starting a Society Of Interesting People here, and one of the requirements for membership being that they must be intelligent, not just interesting, kind of like a MENSA for comedians or something.

The shooting of Sammy Yatim proves people are soft and scared. He was a kid with a knife in an empty tram wagon. And they shot him. There was a dozen cops there and they shot him. If it was me I would have literally come up to him unarmed and started raping him. People are weak, what's the point of shooting?

That's good to hear though, they should be punished. There's nothing more annoying than having to deal with a stupid cop, or even worse a corrupt cop. A corrupt cop is like that persistent, stubborn son of a bitch who thought he was God because nobody ever stood up to him to show him otherwise...but you could still kill him like it's no problem. Why demonstrate? You just let him be unless he really becomes a threat. So that's become my motto in this country, there are some countries where you HAVE to do illegal and immoral actions to survive, and then there's others like Canada that can literally give you everything if you just licked your hosts' asses in the correct way for a certain period of time.

A place like Canada is not worth doing something like the things I've done in Macedonia, and I'm talking about what I've done in parties - not shady stuff with shady people. As far as Macedonia goes, wonderful place for doing that stuff it makes you question alot of things in life - especially generic Western myths about itself as a society. I got a cease and desist order from Interpol once.

Canada, especially where I am in the GTA, is a place where you go to live when you're old or have a family. It's quiet, but it's too quiet(you know what they say - too nice is not nice - like that episode of the X Files where the protoganists move into a private community that is very nice on the outside but has been killing some of its members in secret, like a cult). Nobody ever bothers you and it's actually quite easy to slip from a fight because alot of people here are narrow minded and literal so if you do an action contrary to their literal provocation, they show the same signs that electronic scales showed me back in 2008 - error. :lol:

I mean, literally.. It's easy to manipulate them, but they're panicky, painful to watch how they struggle when they notice what you're up to. Same thing with Americans.

Finland's education system is considered best in the world by American media. Finns read an average of 17 books a year. How could a problem like that, especially with the police, exist over there? Also, are you talking about Finnish OC or somebody from somewhere else that was caught paying off the police?

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Unread postby Dobre » December 16th, 2013, 12:10 am

As far as paying people off, it's the same here as everywhere else. If you have $$$ and connections, you can have everybody in your pocket and since it's a small country compared to it's geographical size or to other countries - or strict immigration procedures - so you won't be seeing people flying in planeloads to come and kill people here like the Italians in the States do - it makes it even harder for there to be internal conflict, like say the CIA deputy director challenging the director or a station chief challenging to expose the deputy director or some shit, like in the Bourne movies.

OC presence is not that noticeable here... I mean I went to Detroit lol, at a gas station in some shitty neighborhood in the middle of the night, in a black SUV, with some friends I have over there, we were looking for an open fast food place, some shady Arab gangster looking types were standing beside a Chrysler C300, and instinctively I look at everything and everybody whenever I enter an area... Something I naturally have from Macedonia that I will never be able to shake off(and I'm thankful for that). Just kind of like when you start staring at a blank space for no reason, your mind wanders somewhere, the window was open even though our windows were tinted, they looked at me and all of a sudden they went into hostile challenge mode, that staring down thing. They followed us for a couple kilometers lol.. I'm like oh god, you can't be serious? You know what we'd do to you? I know the Lefty Ruggerio's cousins in the Detroit area, just to name a few.

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Dobre wrote:See that's the same thinking in Canada too.. The police are protectors, blah blah blah. People do question their authority alot, so when they make mistakes they make sure they pay for it, but that's the mentality here - it's not only the police - it's at every level of society.


I've always seen the police as a protector of the elite. Not much more. They react way differently when they are dealing with the wealthy people than when they're dealing with a people from the lower classes.

It's good that people do question the authorities. It's a positive sign of a society. It has to do a lot with the media, too. If media is not interested of questioning the authorities, then the people aren't either, as media has such a power in a modern day society. That's basically how it's in here. The media covers up anything the police does, and brings up numerous articles and such to make the police look good again and taking the blame on some other things. Finland is a small country where every significant journalists and editor in chiefs has personal relationships with top politicians and corporate managers. And they don't want to anger or upset their friends, so they make news-stories from something else. Something that isn't harmful to their dear friends. And that's one of the reasons why Finland is always in top places among the countries with least amount of corruption. Nothing ever comes up, because friends will take care of it before it does. And the most known corruption table, the Transparency International stats, are stats that every country sends to them. So if you send them a note that says "we don't have corruption", then the Transparency International announce that this country has no corruption and that's it. If no one is never caught on corruption, then it's just better to tell everyone that it's because we don't have corruption.

Everything else is soft in this country. People are miserable pussies who either want to prove their worth through negative actions or too shallow to be interesting to Europeans. I was actually thinking about starting a Society Of Interesting People here, and one of the requirements for membership being that they must be intelligent, not just interesting, kind of like a MENSA for comedians or something.


That's not a bad idea. And you could actually be able to make some money of it, too, if it catches on.

Finland's education system is considered best in the world by American media. Finns read an average of 17 books a year. How could a problem like that, especially with the police, exist over there? Also, are you talking about Finnish OC or somebody from somewhere else that was caught paying off the police?


Yea, I've seen some American news about it. For me, it's comedy. The PISA tests that are praising the Finnish school system, are only made by a fraction of a students. And of course they don't put the lower-class schools to do it, but only the good schools from the nice areas, so it would seem like we're exceptionally good students. And furthermore, those test tell only about comprehensive schools. In a country like Finland, you will basically get no job at all if you have done a comprehensive school only and nothing more.

And reading books will not help people to question the authorities. We have a long, long tradition in trusting the man in a suit. If a man in a suit says something, people automaticly think that it must be true. Due to the history (600 years under the Swedish rule; always been told that we are lowest form of humans and un-civilized people with a stone-aged language, etc. leaves a mark in the peoples heritage), Finns naturally have a very low self-esteem and are basically shamed of themselves. I think that is the main reason why authorites have it so easy in here. People like to hear some authority to us how the things are, as of course the man in the suit is way smarter and better man than normal people are. Otherwise, he wouldn't be in the position he is. That's the way of thinking in here. As a nation, we are extremely depressed. I kinda think that many Eastern European countries have a little bit the same mentality, too. You know, being used to rely on authorities that tell the absolute truth, and having a history of strong leaders that should not be critizized. In a contrary to western nations, Finnish politicians typically do not resign no matter what, so people do not even demonstrate, as they feel it's pointless. People just think that "Oh well, that's the way it is", and then get angry if someone other dares to demonstrate. You know, that sheep-mentality - do not anger the master or he'll make us all suffer. That mentality works great for the police, as they always get the rights they want. People just say that "well, if you're not a criminal, then why worry?". Police here is next to God. And if God is watching you, then why couldn't the police watch you, too. It's pathetic, but that's how it is.

About the police corruption.... Yea, I was talking about one Finnish O.C. group. Their boss is said to be in very good relationship with the head of the drug police. Now while the head of the drug police is still in police custody, that O.C. boss is on a run from the criminal underworld, some say in Spain, but who knows. Among many other things, it is said that this same boss and the boss of drug police have been seen in a forest together searching for a drug-stash to pick it up. That police boss also helped the O.C. group to launder their money, etc. And few years ago, Eastern police district started to investigate some police corruption that ended up with two police chiefs committing a suicide and a prosecutor came out to media telling that she is afraid of her life as so many police officers had threatened her to stop the investigations. And the investigations stopped and that's it. No one wants to remember that anymore and media was very quiet of the whole thing.

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punamusta wrote: People like to hear some authority to us how the things are..........


Edit option here would be nice... I ment to write that people like to hear some authority to TELL us how the things are.



And few years ago, Eastern police district started to investigate some police corruption.....


I ment to add that how funny it is that we don't even have here an independent institution to investigate police crime. We only have other police districts that investigate other districts. So a police is investigating a police, that in such a small country as Finland is, is most probably someone this investigating officers personally knows.

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Unread postby Dobre » December 16th, 2013, 6:24 pm

punamusta wrote:I've always seen the police as a protector of the elite. Not much more. They react way differently when they are dealing with the wealthy people than when they're dealing with a people from the lower classes.


You don't care much to look into that until you have to deal with them. But that's what I see them as now. They've never helped out, not here and not in Macedonia. They were always there, be it in Canada or in Macedonia, to harass members of my family whenever they reacted to a provocation by someone else or some other party, but were never there for us when we needed them. What happened to the people who shot at my brother with a Mac 10? What happened to the people who pointed a gun at my father? Unless you take things into your own hands, there can be no justice. What happened to the nightclub bouncer from the Guvernment nightclub in Toronto in my old building that shot his gun in the air to scare his girlfriend into opening the car door when they were arguing outside in the middle of the night? 41 division was a 5 minute walk away, yet it took the police 30 minutes to arrive and when they finally did, he threatened them, told them to fuck off, they got in their car and drove away. Then they found his girlfriend in a garbage bag. This all in Canada. What happened to the person that stabbed my father's uncle to death in the throat in a kafana fight in Macedonia back in '62? Other than ruin his son, my uncle, who saw blood spraying out of his father's throat at the age of 14, a highly intelligent man became a career criminal, a murderer himself and ended up ruining my cousins in drunken tauntrums, the female who became a hooker and a drug addict and died at the age of 28 because of a heart attack? What justice?

This in my hometown? Putting old ladies down and trying to forcefully evict a poor family from their run down home because somebody wants to build something there but when they saw me being held down and attacked by the son of one of the owner of one of the largest construction companies in Macedonia.. There was 20 cops standing there DOING NOTHING, and even he was yelling at the top of his lungs they won't save you yet they're standing right there..

What happens to the people in this video? Any justice? No. That's why they act like this in the first place, because it's a second nature knowing that their actions will not have any legal or moral consequences in a country that has no more functioning justice system or moral values.



It's good that people do question the authorities. It's a positive sign of a society. It has to do a lot with the media, too. If media is not interested of questioning the authorities, then the people aren't either, as media has such a power in a modern day society. That's basically how it's in here. The media covers up anything the police does, and brings up numerous articles and such to make the police look good again and taking the blame on some other things. Finland is a small country where every significant journalists and editor in chiefs has personal relationships with top politicians and corporate managers. And they don't want to anger or upset their friends, so they make news-stories from something else. Something that isn't harmful to their dear friends. And that's one of the reasons why Finland is always in top places among the countrist known corruption table, the Transparency International stats, are stats that every country sends to them. So if you send them a note that says "we don't have corruption", then the Transparency International announce that this country has no corruption and that's it. If no one is never caught on corruption, then it's just better to tell everyone that it's because we don't have corruption.[/youtube]

Media manipulation? Noo... People are spoiled here, they want a reason to fight. It's human instinct, human nature. When there's too much struggle you want comfort but when there's too much comfort you want struggle. There needs to be a balance, ying yang. People here would protest and riot with police whenever the police wrong them just once way more than even people from third world countries who suffer abuse there for years. It's good to be thankful for having the opportunity to live in Western society since you have enough to survive and a little bit more to reward yourself for it, but when it really starts to become a struggle - when more and more laws and regulations make it so the worker has less rights and has to work hard to prove himself to his corporate overlord or risk being replaced - that movements like Occupy and Anonymous start popping up everywhere.

I know about this with Transparency though. I always wondered why Macedonia as a country, or the Balkans as a region, is considered safer than Western Europe. What??? When I was in Stip, a town of 50,000 people, I saw more things happen in a week than I saw happen an entire year in Canada. I feel more threatened in Stip than in Detroit imagine that, a small town where you can climb on top of any hill and see it's end, it's limits, where people behave like it's a big city but have nowhere to hide. They think they know people. A little insignificant speck on the map that has as much excitement and morbid tension in it as New York City during an alien invasion. Yet I know over 2,000 people there personally. Uncles run the drug trade in half the country, uncle is the biggest arms dealer in Bulgaria and cousin runs half of Varna. My aunt is a high ranking position in the Ministry of Interior. My father is close friends with the family of the Macedonian intelligence chief. My uncle's uncle was the first prime minister of Macedonia. Yet I feel threatened because I know that it doesn't take alot of brain, connections, money, balls or power for a person to take out somebody extremely influential and protected - you only have to be desperate and determined, with nothing to lose. You can kill anybody if you want to without having to worry about retaliation. I always wondered why the crime is so low in Balkan countries statistically - yet when I go there it's the exact opposite. Yet I always wonder how they show high levels of corruption... And Macedonia topped the Misery Index in 2011 - a combined statistic of both high crime rate and high unemployment. So.. I don't get it. As far as Finland goes, at least normal people have living standards over there. It's from having too much material wealth as a country, where society gives you everything,where you have a good social welfare program that people start to get comfortable, lazy, antisocial and mental illness quickly starts to spread and bad things happen.

I mean seriously.. Whenever I see a OSCE car infront of the hotel in Stip, I know the agent is being served.

That's not a bad idea. And you could actually be able to make some money of it, too, if it catches on.


Problem is it won't catch on anytime soon. It can make money, it can also serve as like a collective, an agency, a union, a guild for celebrities since interesting people generally go on to become celebrities. Not that alot of celebrities have brains.. You just need alot of luck, alot of charm and have to know who to use it with.

[youtube]Yea, I've seen some American news about it. For me, it's comedy. The PISA tests that are praising the Finnish school system, are only made by a fraction of a students. And of course they don't put the lower-class schools to do it, but only the good schools from the nice areas, so it would seem like we're exceptionally good students. And furthermore, those test tell only about comprehensive schools. In a country like Finland, you will basically get no job at all if you have done a comprehensive school only and nothing more.[/youtube]

There you go.. Media manipulation. I always thought it was too good to be true but never really looked into it.

And reading books will not help people to question the authorities. We have a long, long tradition in trusting the man in a suit. If a man in a suit says something, people automaticly think that it must be true. Due to the history (600 years under the Swedish rule; always been told that we are lowest form of humans and un-civilized people with a stone-aged language, etc. leaves a mark in the peoples heritage), Finns naturally have a very low self-esteem and are basically shamed of themselves. I think that is the main reason why authorites have it so easy in here. People like to hear some authority to us how the things are, as of course the man in the suit is way smarter and better man than normal people are. Otherwise, he wouldn't be in the position he is. That's the way of thinking in here. As a nation, we are extremely depressed. I kinda think that many Eastern European countries have a little bit the same mentality, too. You know, being used to rely on authorities that tell the absolute truth, and having a history of strong leaders that should not be critizized. In a contrary to western nations, Finnish politicians typically do not resign no matter what, so people do not even demonstrate, as they feel it's pointless. People just think that "Oh well, that's the way it is", and then get angry if someone other dares to demonstrate. You know, that sheep-mentality - do not anger the master or he'll make us all suffer. That mentality works great for the police, as they always get the rights they want. People just say that "well, if you're not a criminal, then why worry?". Police here is next to God. And if God is watching you, then why couldn't the police watch you, too. It's pathetic, but that's how it is.[/youtube]

See, bottom part of that is exactly like Macedonia. As far as having low self esteem.. Macedonians are generally proud but when they come as immigrants to America and Canada, not Western Europe or Australia, they start to lose their identity, their pride and heritage. We know what we're capable of, a small country with such alot of heart - we might not have the same widespread reputation as Jamaicans or the Irish in North America, but we have way more heart than those people do and people who know us can confirm this. I've brought friends from Canada over to Macedonia and they all wanted to stay and live there lol.. Best of all is the awesome connections you can accumulate in such a small country - say the president of the Euro Med. Students Association?

Here's the problem though. 1 in 5 Canadians suffer from mental illness. 1 in 5 Ontarians are expected to be disabled within a couple years. Most people in America have suffered from depression in some point in their lives. The society, the culture, does this to you. This is why young people are so eager to move to places far the fuck away from this continent - to Europe for example - hell I've seen 19 year olds seriously plan to go live in Japan.

Also, when you are growing up in a multicultural society like Canada like I did, your best friends will be of different races and religions. I saw them as brothers and when we became teenagers and things started getting more serious, I even took the time to understand their culture more as they did with mine - same as my brother did before me. His friends were from Pakistan, so he ended up watching Bollywood movies and listening to Arabic music just to get into the atmosphere of it and really absorb himself - and they tried to understand our culture and saw the mafia like problems that existed in my family originated from there when they were brought over to Stip.

When you come to a country like Canada where people underestimate you at first look and scoff and then ignore you, it just makes me want to strangle people just to show them I can do it and there's nothing they can do about it because I know how, I have where to run and people to protect me. They think you're normal, pathetic and miserable like them so they don't lick you ass to begin with. That's a bad national mentality that is going to lead to long term ruin of a great nation with lots of potential.

Especially white Canadians of British ancestry for example... God their arrogance makes me sick. They look down on everybody - even though they're less direct with how they see immigrants than in the US(immigrants are brought as workers, nothing more) - it makes you wonder.. Their history, their culture is shrouded in abscurity, Germanic peoples especially were barbaric cave dwellers, forest dwellers, at the time when my people had an advanced civilization that preceded the Romans. Yet they pride themselves of being representatives of the great British empire, yet look down on us. But on the inside they are empty, diseased, pale and red, suffering from mental sickness, like watching the Woman in Black. Of course there's lots of good intelligent and interesting people among them, but that fraction is tiny compared to the large, zombie-like majority. All immigrants will tell you this - especially Europeans. Real Brits moved on and now London is an awesome city and the UK and Britain in general is viewed as an intelligent society and the British accent here is exotic. But who the fuck do I run into? The descendants to the prisoners of the British Isles that were brought to work on British colonies such as Australia, America and Canada, the scum, not the nobility. The nobility knows it's place and knows that place isn't here. This is a false nobility over here.

What does Macedonia have in history other than Alexander the Great, one of the greatest military strategists of all time? We conquered Ancient Greece. We conquered Ancient Persia and defeated an army that outnumbered us 10 to 1. An elite Macedonian guard in the Roman empire that served in Israel, the highest reign of the Byzantine empire being under the rule of Macedonians, the inventors of the Cyrllic alphabet being two Macedonian brothers, Macedonia being mentioned in the bible 26 times, the first university in Europe is Macedonian and Ohrid once had 365 churches, one for every day of the year. Aristotle, one of the greatest minds in history was Macedonian. What did we have a stake in other than influence in Russian and French high society during the 18th and 19th centuries? Who played a key role in the Russo-Turkish war of 1878 - my grandmother's great uncle - Ilyo Voyvoda,,,?

But history has been changed or destroyed - because of assholes like the British empire(Prince Phillip is Greek). Our revolutionaries of the 19th and 20th centuries are now officially Bulgarian, our figures of the medieval ages are either considered Serbian, Bulgarian or Greek, our ancient figures and society is considered Greek.. What the fuck? Just because they're in a zone of influence? Of course if Athens has a sprawling economy the neighbors will want to get a piece. That's like being Canada and not engaging in trade with the US. Of course Canada is going to become Americanized and indistinct to foreigners as to what is considered 'Canadian' and what is 'American'? But hey, media manipulation to serve agendas, right? You can't complain about it and have to be thankful for what you have because even this can be taken away from you.

About the police corruption.... Yea, I was talking about one Finnish O.C. group. Their boss is said to be in very good relationship with the head of the drug police. Now while the head of the drug police is still in police custody, that O.C. boss is on a run from the criminal underworld, some say in Spain, but who knows. Among many other things, it is said that this same boss and the boss of drug police have been seen in a forest together searching for a drug-stash to pick it up. That police boss also helped the O.C. group to launder their money, etc. And few years ago, Eastern police district started to investigate some police corruption that ended up with two police chiefs committing a suicide and a prosecutor came out to media telling that she is afraid of her life as so many police officers had threatened her to stop the investigations. And the investigations stopped and that's it. No one wants to remember that anymore and media was very quiet of the whole thing.


That reminds me about a recent article I read about Serbian police chiefs.. I think the pool for buying off a head of the ministry of the interior in Serbia was around 250,000 Euros.

And that second bit reminds me of something that happened 20 years ago.. My grandfather, a colonel in the JNA and a lawyer, together with two other people, an economist and the other guy Netkov I forgot what he was, started what turned out to be one of the biggest textile factories in Europe with over 3,000 workers at the time. Everybody that was in a director's position, similar to the CEO of Western countries, stole back then under Alibego's reign(Alibegov was the Macedonian-Turkish owner of Red Star, a Socialist umbrella company in Yugoslavia). Then 20 years ago, my grandfather already dead from Hep B, Netkov was uncovered by the Communists and .. they made it look like a suicide, like he turned the gun on himself because he didn't want to go through prosecution or some shit..

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Macedonian society is generally very secretive to outsiders. We try to keep a positive image and eliminate all the negativity.

So this is why it's extremely rare to find a video of a Macedonian street fight on Youtube, especially if you've seen a fight amongst two groups of Macedonians(and it's always groups because Macedonians are an interventionist culture, both with it's advantages and disadvantages, unlike Americans who gather around two people fighting and cheer them on). If they're not breaking up the fight, they're about to fight eachother.

And if you've seen a fight like that, you'll know that people would not be stupid enough to film it. I actually took pictures like a tourist, just because I wanted to have memories of the place and the people, but more and more people were threatening to break my camera so..

Besides, a Macedonian fight never really drags on past 5 minutes and most Macedonians don't own a phone with a good camera or a camera in general and even if they did, their last priority would be to film it and put it on Youtube. Unless they put it on with a conscipicous name and account and their audience was Western cultures well then that's different.. Like me.. I actually had people find out about stuff I've been putting on here and they threatened to skin me alive, literally lol..

But even if they don't do that, you're still snitching on your own people in a way by gossiping and bragging to strangers about the people you know, the things you've seen and done with them.

They react harsher to it more in the long term than if you told somebody that your great wish in life is to truly fuck their mother one day..

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You don't care much to look into that until you have to deal with them. But that's what I see them as now. They've never helped out, not here and not in Macedonia. They were always there, be it in Canada or in Macedonia, to harass members of my family whenever they reacted to a provocation by someone else or some other party, but were never there for us when we needed them. What happened to the people who shot at my brother with a Mac 10? What happened to the people who pointed a gun at my father? Unless you take things into your own hands, there can be no justice. What happened to the nightclub bouncer from the Guvernment nightclub in Toronto in my old building that shot his gun in the air to scare his girlfriend into opening the car door when they were arguing outside in the middle of the night? 41 division was a 5 minute walk away, yet it took the police 30 minutes to arrive and when they finally did, he threatened them, told them to fuck off, they got in their car and drove away. Then they found his girlfriend in a garbage bag. This all in Canada. What happened to the person that stabbed my father's uncle to death in the throat in a kafana fight in Macedonia back in '62? Other than ruin his son, my uncle, who saw blood spraying out of his father's throat at the age of 14, a highly intelligent man became a career criminal, a murderer himself and ended up ruining my cousins in drunken tauntrums, the female who became a hooker and a drug addict and died at the age of 28 because of a heart attack? What justice?


I think the police is same everywhere. You have to be a certain type of person to even wanting to be a cop. Not that many normal people want to make a career out of bullying and commanding people.


It's good to be thankful for having the opportunity to live in Western society since you have enough to survive and a little bit more to reward yourself for it, but when it really starts to become a struggle - when more and more laws and regulations make it so the worker has less rights and has to work hard to prove himself to his corporate overlord or risk being replaced - that movements like Occupy and Anonymous start popping up everywhere.


True. And for those reasons, I don't see western society such a "dreamland" for people. The pressure is huge and it's on constantly. People can lose their jobs so fast, and are then left to survive in a society that hates the poor people and values only the ones that have a career and money. In modern day western society, the corporates are the ones holding the power. They can legally rob and steal from the people by giving them very low salaries, and then making huge money out of those poor people's fysical contribution.

Empathy and solidarity has died a long ago in west - something that still lives on in a poorer countries and help people to live on without depression and other mental illnesses. In west, when you lose your job, you're basically all alone. You can't even spend time with your friends as you used to, because you don't have the money to go to movies or have a beer in a bar, etc. You are left alone, watching TV that only shows you the wealthy and successful people, underlining the fact that you are now a second class citizen. In western society, you either have a job, or you're nothing.


I know about this with Transparency though. I always wondered why Macedonia as a country, or the Balkans as a region, is considered safer than Western Europe. What???


Those are just statistics. If the police won't report every crime they see, of course it makes the crime stats look low. And there are different laws in different countries. What is a crime in some country, might not be a crime in other. And I'm remembering that Iceland has the highest crime-stats of the world, but of course it don't make Iceland the most dangerous country in the world. It just tells that their police will report every crime they ever see, and that they have very strict laws in Iceland.

As far as Finland goes, at least normal people have living standards over there. It's from having too much material wealth as a country, where society gives you everything,where you have a good social welfare program that people start to get comfortable, lazy, antisocial and mental illness quickly starts to spread and bad things happen.


True. Middle and higher class Finns do live relatively well - Finland is an average EU-country in that sense. Our welfare isn't that good, it's actually well below the average in EU, lower than for example in Italy or in UK even if you count the share euros you'll get from the goverment - even though our country is far more expensive than Italy. I think that foreign people often confuse us to be same as Scandinavia, which is pretty far from the truth. Scandinavian countries have the best welfare system in the EU, but we are far behind it and the gap is only getting bigger and bigger. I think one descriptive way to tell the difference between Finland and Scandinavia is that we have here breadlines in every bigger cities where poor people line up for outdated food every week for hours and hours, and there's always couple of hundred people per line and the numbers are constantly growing. Like this way (in both cases the line goes on and on inside of the buildings, too):

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That's something you really don't see in Scandinavian countries, as their welfare is enough for people to actually buy food. We also get massive, several hundreds of tons of food-aid from EU every year.

we might not have the same widespread reputation as Jamaicans or the Irish in North America, but we have way more heart than those people do and people who know us can confirm this.


Macedonians don't speak english as their native language ;) Of course in an Anglo-Saxon nation, the ones that share the same language, get more attention. You know, all over the world the english-speaking nations have always been seen as something better than all the rest.

That reminds me about a recent article I read about Serbian police chiefs.. I think the pool for buying off a head of the ministry of the interior in Serbia was around 250,000 Euros.


Yea, I think there is no country in the world that would have a serious organized crime going on without the police backing it up. That's just the way it is.

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Unread postby Dobre » December 20th, 2013, 6:54 am

punamusta wrote:I think the police is same everywhere. You have to be a certain type of person to even wanting to be a cop. Not that many normal people want to make a career out of bullying and commanding people.


That's true. An ancient philosopher said that once, not sure if it was Plato or Aristotle, that people are born to be one of three things - intellectuals(scientists, politicians, lawyers, doctors, artists, philosophers etc.), workers(craftsmen, physical labor, etc) or soldiers(cops, soldiers, criminals, etc.).


True. And for those reasons, I don't see western society such a "dreamland" for people. The pressure is huge and it's on constantly. People can lose their jobs so fast, and are then left to survive in a society that hates the poor people and values only the ones that have a career and money. In modern day western society, the corporates are the ones holding the power. They can legally rob and steal from the people by giving them very low salaries, and then making huge money out of those poor people's fysical contribution.


It's hard to make a decision. Most people will choose material wealth over emotional wealth. Choosing between Macedonia and Canada, you can either have Macedonia with emotional wealth and happiness(when I'm in Macedonia, I laugh a minimum of 3-4 times a day, when I'm in Canada I laugh 3-4 times a week, let alone comparing smiling) or Canada with financial stability, but no emotional happiness. And it is true, if you have a good position in a company, people will lick your ass and you will make alot of good friends. To me, as an intellectual, I would take every step to discourage people to lick my ass if I was in this position just because I was raised on air-tight moral standards. While having been through alot of pain and suffering in my short young life, I would love to see the same type of people who are willing to put me through this pain by making me beg for a promotion, recognition, positivity towards me, lick my ass and beg me for something instead. Problem is I don't have the patience to get to that position. I was raised in between both factions - both the elite and counter-elite - as my mom comes from an aristocratic line and my dad from a poor family(yet went rags to riches in Macedonia, despising the elite in the process who were the only people who stood in their way). So I was raised with both ideals. I know it's not good to look down on people who have less and it's a wise thing to help them whenever you can, but I also know it's unwise to not make an effort to fit in with higher classes in order to attract opportunities from somebody who genuinely values your effort(and North America has those types of miracle people lurking in the background somewhere), nor is it wise to shove an opportunity away just because you are bitter for being poor. Even personal experience has taught me this. I have both friends and relatives who are both poor and rich, elite and counterelite, government and underworld. My mother's brother in the US is a scientist and has worked for the CIA before, as well as the Pentagon, NASA and for defense contractors such as Boeing, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin and values structure and order - the reason he lives in the DC area is because of how well protected that city is even though he could make a better living working in Silicon Valley for example, my mother's father was a colonel in the Yugoslav People's Army, my mother's mother was a bank lawyer for 40 years, my mother's sister is a high ranking position in the Macedonian Ministry of interior(the police), so you can tell they have a strong faith in the justice system and the government, even though I know they know sometimes you have to play dirty to get what you want, especially in a broken world like the one we live in. On my dad's side, you have a priest, a magician, my father's mother was a homemaker, my father's father worked in a factory most of his life, my dad's brother is an electric engineer but works in a factory for minimum wage making shoes, my dad's sister does the same, my dad himself works a security guard in Canada for minimum wage, my dad's 1st cousin from my grandfather's side made a living as a drummer and wrestling club owner in Zagreb in the 80's and used to perform with legends such as Dusko Lokin and Miso Kovac, but was forced to flee during the wars and now spends his time gambling to make a living(he's good at it) and his brother works in a restaurant as a waiter owned by another relative of my dad's(and his son, my 2nd cousin works as a waiter in a hotel owned by the drug boss uncle of mine). So you know..

Empathy and solidarity has died a long ago in west - something that still lives on in a poorer countries and help people to live on without depression and other mental illnesses. In west, when you lose your job, you're basically all alone. You can't even spend time with your friends as you used to, because you don't have the money to go to movies or have a beer in a bar, etc. You are left alone, watching TV that only shows you the wealthy and successful people, underlining the fact that you are now a second class citizen. In western society, you either have a job, or you're nothing.


It's a shame, isn't it? Alot of people take the bait, but then again alot of people look through this, like me and you. It's us who truly suffer being awake.

[youtube]Those are just statistics. If the police won't report every crime they see, of course it makes the crime stats look low. And there are different laws in different countries. What is a crime in some country, might not be a crime in other. And I'm remembering that Iceland has the highest crime-stats of the world, but of course it don't make Iceland the most dangerous country in the world. It just tells that their police will report every crime they ever see, and that they have very strict laws in Iceland.[/youtube]

See, that's what I'm saying. On the contrary, Iceland is actually pretty safe lol..

True. Middle and higher class Finns do live relatively well - Finland is an average EU-country in that sense. Our welfare isn't that good, it's actually well below the average in EU, lower than for example in Italy or in UK even if you count the share euros you'll get from the goverment - even though our country is far more expensive than Italy. I think that foreign people often confuse us to be same as Scandinavia, which is pretty far from the truth. Scandinavian countries have the best welfare system in the EU, but we are far behind it and the gap is only getting bigger and bigger. I think one descriptive way to tell the difference between Finland and Scandinavia is that we have here breadlines in every bigger cities where poor people line up for outdated food every week for hours and hours, and there's always couple of hundred people per line and the numbers are constantly growing. Like this way (in both cases the line goes on and on inside of the buildings, too):

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That's something you really don't see in Scandinavian countries, as their welfare is enough for people to actually buy food. We also get massive, several hundreds of tons of food-aid from EU every year.


I always knew Finland was kinda down compared to Sweden and Norway. Finland, after all, does have a history with Russia. Any country that has a history with Russia isn't so well off in the 21st century lol..

And Finns are from a different tribe right? Not so much as your Nord neighbors..

Macedonians don't speak english as their native language ;) Of course in an Anglo-Saxon nation, the ones that share the same language, get more attention. You know, all over the world the english-speaking nations have always been seen as something better than all the rest.


Thank you... I feel alot of tension around alot of Canadians coming from their side, like I pose a threat to them or something. I grew up in Canada, but I learned my street smarts in Macedonia. My english is almost accent free, or maybe it's the way I talk, like how a New Yorker would talk for example, that scares people off? I can't change my mentality though.. It's how I was raised. I either have a Bourne series type mentality, a spy mentality, a CIA mentality - for my natural English side, the one I learned in school here. Or I have a mafia mentality, my natural Macedonian side, that came inherited.

But there you go, I always wondered why Macedonians are so awesome in Macedonia(and foreigners notice this when they go to Macedonia) but somehow they have alot of social troubles when they go on to live in Western society, where the mentality of the people is a 1000x easier, simpler and safer than in Macedonia. I always wondered this... It's a phenomenon to me, the reason why I would want to study languages, anthropology, sociology and social psychology.

I guess they only inflate the egos of nations who they understand(or a big fraction of the foundation for their culture stems from). Alot of youth, especially high schoolers in North America have some type of fascination with Jamaicans. Same goes with white Americans/Canadians and thinking how awesome it is that the Irish get drunk. I wonder what the Germans think about this..

Yeah, they've always been thought of as the better countries because they are pretty good in economic standards for their own people. This is a new type of takeover - instead of military takeover it's economic takeover. Use the CIA to destabilize the Balkans - break up Yugoslavia - a country that had higher standards than most of Europe in it's time, where it becomes one of the worst regions in the world in just 10 short years(usually it takes hundreds of years for a region to become as fucked up as we did in such a short time, I mean we've always been fucked up but it was never our fault as much as the empires that decided to wage war on our territory for 2,000 years). That's a pretty damn good accomplishment. And now you have dumb people from Balkan countries willing to kill for us to join the EU. And of course, there are people very smart and very capable - who aren't all about stealing government funds or helping the US destabilize the country while in power - but these people will never be allowed to take power. :(

Still, America, Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zeland have some of the best living standards in the world. And the British empire was historically territorially the largest empire on this planet. But what's the point? English people are internationally known for being repugnant, boring, unattractive and repellant, that lack character, color and charm and what's even worse now is their descendants in America, Canada and Australia who have lost touch with roots that make them European. Now America is the largest exporter of anti-culture.

Yea, I think there is no country in the world that would have a serious organized crime going on without the police backing it up. That's just the way it is.


That's always how it's going to be. Remember that the police can be a criminal organization in itself if it wanted to, funded by the government's taxes and resources.

So the structure is OC takes over a commercial sector just as Walmart would want to take over retail on American territory for example, and just as OC Walmart is willing to send a hitman to kill off rising and threatening competition and if it can't since the opponent is just as powerful or threatening - just like OC, it has a sit down offering negotiation and diplomacy - and just like OC - economic warfare - infiltration or simply opening up a Walmart in the vicinity of their competition's store pressuring them into closing down by having lower prices. Same like when a dealer with low prices moves into an area, other drug dealers and gangs want to take a piece, but if they can't, they try to push him out - mostly through force - rarely through economic warfare. After all, tainting a supply requires force in OC. In Walmart, all you have to do is hire a bunch of insubordinate employees who will screw something up with the labelling system.

The police, or government, answers to the highest bidder. Also, the police and government is less under pressure of having to take down a Walmart because their products can be scientifically proven safe by ANYONE(it doesn't have to be an accredited state sponsored agency), while heroin, not so much. So it all comes down to public pressure. Who needs cheap food and clothing of good quality? EVERYBODY! But does everybody need drugs.. ? Especially ones that are highly potent and highly available..

I don't even know where to start when pharmaceutical companies come into place.. Painkillers all have morphine in them, which is made out of opium.

See.. North America has a good practical system, it's good in practice, while Eastern society might be better in theory. This is why Russian miners' universities in Macedonia offer only theory, but no practice. So a geologist goes to a mine and doesn't know what to do. This is why collages in America and Canada will get you more work than university will - because it's hands on. Americans and Canadians are constantly experimenting and they always keep what they concluded simple and easily understandable - like how hundreds of books of information are compressed into one textbook in American collages. And then because it's easy to understand, it's up to the professor to confuse what you think you know to at least make some sort of effort to seem as if the education system truly makes you try.

Politically, nobody listens to America. They're full of shit on alot of things, they keep talking about yesterday's news, because America is isolated, Americans have to live this movie, this reality. Places like Europe move on, and things that would work socially or politically in America would not work in Europe. So America has a strong military..

Which brings us to the question - America will eventually be culturally, professionally(intellectually) and economically dominated by European and Asian countries. They only have the military to really enforce their interests. In the next 100 years, America will be a second rate power. NATO can't fight a conventional war against the SCO. And America is desperate to guarantee itself long-term prosperity - what's a good ally other than the Middle East? Historically Arabs are pretty hard and prosperous people. Why not destabilize the Arab League and then make it an ally? Now you have balance against the SCO. It's not just about oil or drugs.

I can only imagine the hilarity of the situation where my uncles and their Albanian, Russian, Turkish, Bulgarian, Serbian, Italian and Kurdish friends get into a drug war with the military contractors hired by pharmaceutical firms in Afghanistan - especially when both sides work for the American government..

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Dobre wrote:
That's true. An ancient philosopher said that once, not sure if it was Plato or Aristotle, that people are born to be one of three things - intellectuals(scientists, politicians, lawyers, doctors, artists, philosophers etc.), workers(craftsmen, physical labor, etc) or soldiers(cops, soldiers, criminals, etc.).


I think he was right...


It's hard to make a decision. Most people will choose material wealth over emotional wealth. Choosing between Macedonia and Canada, you can either have Macedonia with emotional wealth and happiness(when I'm in Macedonia, I laugh a minimum of 3-4 times a day, when I'm in Canada I laugh 3-4 times a week, let alone comparing smiling) or Canada with financial stability, but no emotional happiness.


True. I think that is the reason why especially "hippie" type of people from the West feel an urge to move to another, more open and warm countries. Like I know few people from here that now lives in Thailand and such places. For many people the atmosphere in the West is just too competitive and they feel pointless to take part in that rat race that has no other winners, but the corporate managers and share-holders. And I understand those people. If I could, I would try and live half of the year in some other country somewhere in Asia or South America doing some gruntwork to earn a little money. You know, just so I would get a break from this society here. Now I just use the weed to distance myself from all this when shit gets too hectic, hahaha.


It's a shame, isn't it? Alot of people take the bait, but then again alot of people look through this, like me and you. It's us who truly suffer being awake.


That's true. It would be a lot easier if you would't think anything, but would just work and work and forget everything else around you.

See, that's what I'm saying. On the contrary, Iceland is actually pretty safe lol..


Yes, it is. If I remember right, they have around 5 murders there per year. It's beautiful country, though. Like something out of the moon.

I always knew Finland was kinda down compared to Sweden and Norway. Finland, after all, does have a history with Russia. Any country that has a history with Russia isn't so well off in the 21st century lol..

And Finns are from a different tribe right? Not so much as your Nord neighbors..


Yea, but our history with the Russian Empire was pretty good for us. We gained an autonomy and our language had a way better position in the society than what is was under a Swedish rule. Russians actually saw us pretty much as an equal people, as the Swedes tried their best to wipe out everything Finnish from us. But failed, hahaha.

And yes, we are different people than Scandinavians. We came from the east after the ice age, while the Scandinavians came via the southern route (it's easy to figure out just by watching the map). It is said that Finns are the descendants of the Siberian mammoth hunters. I actually made a DNA-test like a year ago and according to it, I have more common bloodlines with people from Kazakhstan and Turkish-speaking tribes of Russia than what I have with any Western European nation (including Scandinavia). Closest nations DNA-wise was of course expecailly Estonia and Latvia, too, but it was interesting to see that other than those Baltic nations, I had nothing in common with the Europeans heritage. And for my knowledge, that is pretty typical for Finns - even though a lot of people hate to admit it. So many here would rather be westerners than some descendants of mammoth hunters :D

And that's the reason why our flag is so similar to Scandinavian flags. At first, in 1918, our flag was this:

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...but was soon changed into a current, Scandinavian-type-of-flag, as our right-wing, pro-western politicians saw that red flag too much like a communist flag and wanted to distance our nation from the East and make it look like a western nation with western values. At that time, right after the civil war, it was a big argue of who we really are as a people. And as the right-wing merchants won the civil war, they of course had an opportunity to change the flag and start the ever-going propaganda of us being like Scandinavians. That is BS, but still today many Finns like to see themselves like Scandinavians rather than people from the east. I, in the other hand, am proud of our descendant. I think it's nice to be a descendants of Siberian mammoth hunters, rather than Vikings, who never had guts to really come here even though we were right next to them :D

Thank you... I feel alot of tension around alot of Canadians coming from their side, like I pose a threat to them or something. I grew up in Canada, but I learned my street smarts in Macedonia. My english is almost accent free, or maybe it's the way I talk, like how a New Yorker would talk for example, that scares people off? I can't change my mentality though.. It's how I was raised. I either have a Bourne series type mentality, a spy mentality, a CIA mentality - for my natural English side, the one I learned in school here. Or I have a mafia mentality, my natural Macedonian side, that came inherited.


I cannot say I can relate to you, as I have never been an immigrant, but I can feel you. It must be hard to live in a country that isn't your own and people there don't want to see you as a part of them. One of the main reasons why I think so many immigrants everywhere choose the life of crime...

Use the CIA to destabilize the Balkans - break up Yugoslavia - a country that had higher standards than most of Europe in it's time, where it becomes one of the worst regions in the world in just 10 short years(usually it takes hundreds of years for a region to become as fucked up as we did in such a short time, I mean we've always been fucked up but it was never our fault as much as the empires that decided to wage war on our territory for 2,000 years). That's a pretty damn good accomplishment. And now you have dumb people from Balkan countries willing to kill for us to join the EU.


Yea, I'm pretty sure Yugoslavia was a better place than what the Balkans are now. But you know, USA always sees the different forms of society as a threat. If it's not like American society, then it must be bombed.

And f*ck the EU. It's a sinking ship. And if it doesn't sink.. well, then we're living in some crazy, totalitarian society with some EU-dictator. Because that's the only way to keep EU up and running in the future.

Still, America, Canada, Australia, the UK and New Zeland have some of the best living standards in the world. And the British empire was historically territorially the largest empire on this planet. But what's the point? English people are internationally known for being repugnant, boring, unattractive and repellant, that lack character, color and charm and what's even worse now is their descendants in America, Canada and Australia who have lost touch with roots that make them European.


True. It's weird to think that any other english-speaking nations in the world, other than UK, are nations where people just came and toke it to themselves. And has no real culture there at all, other than the natives have. Like New Zealand, for example. What a beautiful, green country filled with english immigrants claiming it's their's even though they have nothing own in there.


Politically, nobody listens to America. They're full of shit on alot of things, they keep talking about yesterday's news, because America is isolated, Americans have to live this movie, this reality. Places like Europe move on, and things that would work socially or politically in America would not work in Europe. So America has a strong military..

Which brings us to the question - America will eventually be culturally, professionally(intellectually) and economically dominated by European and Asian countries. They only have the military to really enforce their interests. In the next 100 years, America will be a second rate power.


Exactly. USA is soon history. It will happen in our life-time. I'm just hoping they let go in peace and won't bomb the rest of the world while trying to hold their position...

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I think he was right...


Indeed.


True. I think that is the reason why especially "hippie" type of people from the West feel an urge to move to another, more open and warm countries. Like I know few people from here that now lives in Thailand and such places. For many people the atmosphere in the West is just too competitive and they feel pointless to take part in that rat race that has no other winners, but the corporate managers and share-holders. And I understand those people. If I could, I would try and live half of the year in some other country somewhere in Asia or South America doing some gruntwork to earn a little money. You know, just so I would get a break from this society here. Now I just use the weed to distance myself from all this when shit gets too hectic, hahaha.


It's all meaningless bro. Everywhere you go, people's lives are meaningless. Post socialist countries just have a better propaganda system and the people know how to distract themselves better. People in the West are used to following, not leading, to repeating and not creating, the reason why they wait on somebody else to help them cure their boredom and because obviously if you don't know how to make life interesting for yourself, nobody else will and you end up with a depressed society that is aware of the problem they have but collectively do not take action to rid themselves of it because their individual suffering creates a feeling of not having to be in debt to the world to give your part in it. When everybody thinks like this, when there's no dialogue, there's no progress. When nobody does anything, nothing happens. It's just how reality works. What the fuck do people expect? Canada is the most boring country in the world, it's on top lists. In Macedonia, where people make 10x less money yet the prices are the same and the stress is 10x more because of the interventionist culture and ugly attitudes of people, there is a feeling of excitement, of something about to happen, something big, like a galactic ascension of some sort, what else could be more exciting? But it never does - that's just the hinch. This should be the reality in Western countries. If a poorly country could manage to make that happen, why won't a Western country make that happen?

That's true. It would be a lot easier if you would't think anything, but would just work and work and forget everything else around you.


It would be wouldn't it?

Yes, it is. If I remember right, they have around 5 murders there per year. It's beautiful country, though. Like something out of the moon.


All northern countries are beautiful because it's cold outside. All that people have left is work so they can organize everything and create a wealthy, stable society. If there's no sun outside, it has a horrible effect on people's psychology and emotions, they don't feel like fucking, they don't feel like partying, they don't feel like socializing, they don't feel like doing anything. It's perfect, right? When have you seen a wealth country near the equator? A wealthy country that wasn't dangerous, unstable or had a failing birth rate or full of depressed people? Imagine a depressed person in a tropical paradise. It just doesn't make sense, right?

Yea, but our history with the Russian Empire was pretty good for us. We gained an autonomy and our language had a way better position in the society than what is was under a Swedish rule. Russians actually saw us pretty much as an equal people, as the Swedes tried their best to wipe out everything Finnish from us. But failed, hahaha.


See.... Alot of people talk shit about Russia and Russians and their policy towards the world....but what are they except realistic? It's better to kill a person that doesn't agree with you than to publicly humiliate him like in the US, to force him to live in a society full of mentally ill people who on top of being retarded mutations are going to pass judgement on you like they ever had a say in humanity. America is isolated from the rest of the world, their superiority is an illusion that they themselves create. While there are alot of positive things in American society, it's an artificial society. You know things are foul in a society when material objects possess more charms than living beings. Look at how much life there is in my hometown, you can feel it's intensity in the air, you can feel the soul in the architecture, people don't just follow a blueprint to build a house and the workers only want to collect a paycheck...they put their very soul in it



But that's only realistic. If you need to be a lion amongst lions, you need to at least be able to live like one. Western society is full of faggot unrealistic terms and conditions that never fly in the real world. You need to be able to bash in somebody's head without being tried and punished for it like you committed an atrocity.

This is why faggots who fit perfectly in this system end up running this continent. My dick has more charm and value than most people in the West. They expect you to behave according to a system of social communication that is completely artificial and unrealistic, their moves are studied, not natural, so they can control you. It's stupid. Nobody is going to follow this BS. Everybody acts how they feel like, that's human nature.

And yes, we are different people than Scandinavians. We came from the east after the ice age, while the Scandinavians came via the southern route (it's easy to figure out just by watching the map). It is said that Finns are the descendants of the Siberian mammoth hunters. I actually made a DNA-test like a year ago and according to it, I have more common bloodlines with people from Kazakhstan and Turkish-speaking tribes of Russia than what I have with any Western European nation (including Scandinavia). Closest nations DNA-wise was of course expecailly Estonia and Latvia, too, but it was interesting to see that other than those Baltic nations, I had nothing in common with the Europeans heritage. And for my knowledge, that is pretty typical for Finns - even though a lot of people hate to admit it. So many here would rather be westerners than some descendants of mammoth hunters :D


I want to do that test, and I want a thorough one just in case...but it's a little expensive. Which test did you take exactly? Give me a link.

And that's the reason why our flag is so similar to Scandinavian flags. At first, in 1918, our flag was this:

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...but was soon changed into a current, Scandinavian-type-of-flag, as our right-wing, pro-western politicians saw that red flag too much like a communist flag and wanted to distance our nation from the East and make it look like a western nation with western values. At that time, right after the civil war, it was a big argue of who we really are as a people. And as the right-wing merchants won the civil war, they of course had an opportunity to change the flag and start the ever-going propaganda of us being like Scandinavians. That is BS, but still today many Finns like to see themselves like Scandinavians rather than people from the east. I, in the other hand, am proud of our descendant. I think it's nice to be a descendants of Siberian mammoth hunters, rather than Vikings, who never had guts to really come here even though we were right next to them :D


There you have it. We have the lion, too.

I cannot say I can relate to you, as I have never been an immigrant, but I can feel you. It must be hard to live in a country that isn't your own and people there don't want to see you as a part of them. One of the main reasons why I think so many immigrants everywhere choose the life of crime...


See, that's the ugly thing. ALot of people have positive experiences with Canadians, but we have alot of negative ones. On the streets they look at you dirty, they go to the other side of the street, I've tried to justify it as it's just their facial expression that's out of place, that their mind is elsewhere, that their culture is different, that being solely English speakers has a different effect on their brains, whatever, but internationally a good human being, a kind human being, is known across all cultures, races and religions. A smile is a smile and an idiot is an idiot. For a nation that prides themselves in their political correctness and politeness, I see alot of condtradictions, arrogance and ignorance, alot of gaps in thinking. It's in my family, in our genes, I've been taught since I was little to be as careful not to offend others as possible but then other people? People really get hurt when I start fighting back, the reason why I would rather remain passive than to take to heart every insult that comes my way - because it comes abnormally too often. Am I doing something wrong? I don't understand.

Yea, I'm pretty sure Yugoslavia was a better place than what the Balkans are now. But you know, USA always sees the different forms of society as a threat. If it's not like American society, then it must be bombed.


Exactly. Yugoslav rock and roll was actually pretty damn awesome. My neighbor in Macedonia s a tombstone maker. He engraves them. He said back in the 1970s he got a job offer to go work and live in the US, but back then what was the point? He had everything he needed in Yugoslavia, so he refused. Imagine how much he regrets that decision today. Macedonians are very capable people, most of old families, like noble stock, especially from Skopje, are rich now and live in the West. And rich as in dollar millionaires. Most of Skopje is full of village people now, no more of those good old eugenic stock is left. Alot of Macedonians who've went to live in Canada, Australia or the US 20-30 years ago have it good here now. My uncle got a US government sponsorship on the fact that he was the best mathematician in Yugoslavia at the time - in the early late 1980s - he won third place in a nation-wide competition - the first two because they had connections. He started off as a researched at Virgina Tech - on an 800 dollar a month salary. Now he makes over a 100,000 a year and being single most of his life, concentrating on work, not having a family(recently married), he has a net worth of at least 1 million dollars and an impressive portfolio. Who is not to say that alot of breakthroughs are not his ideas? He was complaining about how he constantly got fired and threatened into a vow of silence after he presented an idea to an employer, being used and gotten rid of.

Yugoslav rock and roll



And f*ck the EU. It's a sinking ship. And if it doesn't sink.. well, then we're living in some crazy, totalitarian society with some EU-dictator. Because that's the only way to keep EU up and running in the future.


There's too much diversity in the EU, too much chauvanism. The only way you can control 500 million people is through a socialist society. Capitalism thrives for only a handful of people, not the general masses. It's reality, you can argue against it all you want but it is the way it is.

True. It's weird to think that any other english-speaking nations in the world, other than UK, are nations where people just came and toke it to themselves. And has no real culture there at all, other than the natives have. Like New Zealand, for example. What a beautiful, green country filled with english immigrants claiming it's their's even though they have nothing own in there.


Exactly.

Exactly. USA is soon history. It will happen in our life-time. I'm just hoping they let go in peace and won't bomb the rest of the world while trying to hold their position...


My uncle doesn't think so. He thinks just because of what's he's seen, that military spending can save a country. It's just not possible. What about economic takeover? Cultural takeover? The US is exactly what it is - a nation of colonists and adventurers. It's a self fulfilling prophesy. You can't expect it to be an artistic place like Italy or France full of social beauty, romance and spirit. The primary motive here is to make money. What do people expect it to be like? But in reality, a place like this cannot last long. A place where the sole motive is to gather as much material wealth as possible before collapse...

As humanity, evolution rests in a certain universal system, mentality, caste. And that caste is NOT going to be anything AMERICAN or WESTERN. I'm sorry, but that's the reality. Not anything like it is now, anyways. When we go to colonize other solar systems, this is not the image we're going to bring with us because in order for you to go take a fucking solar system over - you need to be motivated enough to reach for the stars. Who the fuck cares about that here when they're fucking depressed?

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Dobre wrote:if you don't know how to make life interesting for yourself, nobody else will and you end up with a depressed society that is aware of the problem they have but collectively do not take action to rid themselves of it because their individual suffering creates a feeling of not having to be in debt to the world to give your part in it. When everybody thinks like this, when there's no dialogue, there's no progress. When nobody does anything, nothing happens. It's just how reality works.


I agree.

All northern countries are beautiful because it's cold outside. All that people have left is work so they can organize everything and create a wealthy, stable society. If there's no sun outside, it has a horrible effect on people's psychology and emotions, they don't feel like fucking, they don't feel like partying, they don't feel like socializing, they don't feel like doing anything.


Yes, the climate definetly has a share in it. In North, you had only like 4-5 months in a year to gather enough food for you to survive the 7-8 other months of the year. If you did not work extremely hard on a summer-time, you'd be dead at winter. In warmer countries, there has never been that problem. You could always think that "nah, I'll do it tomorrow". Here that kind of thinking was equal to suicide. Growing food was impossible during the winter time and also hunting was way more difficult, as there were less animals and moving for humans was so much harder and slower in a deep snow. So you really had to do the work during the short summer. I think that is the main reason why nation in far North are usually in a pretty good shape.

It's just sad that today, when you wouldn't have to work so damn hard all the time, people have it in their blood, and work hard all through the year, burning themselves up and creating frustration and anger inside them (espeacially at the dark winter time, when people don't see sun more than couple of hours per day and there's no sitting outside with friends anymore). And that's also why in here the people who has no work are seen as the lowest dirt of all. For a Finn, for example, a job is everything. It really is. You have to have a job and you may never complain about it. Never. You'll just do the work and shut the f*ck up. A lot of people even feel pride of that - that they never complain about anything, no matter what. That's like a model for men in here. It's like a competetion: who can take most shit on them and not say a one thing about it.

I want to do that test, and I want a thorough one just in case...but it's a little expensive. Which test did you take exactly? Give me a link.


http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx - I did the cheapest test they have, that Y-DNA12. It was about 45 dollars with all costs incuded. Now it seems to be a little more expensive...

P.S. I'll come back for the other things you wrote, as I don't now have time for all of it....

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punamusta wrote:Yes, the climate definetly has a share in it. In North, you had only like 4-5 months in a year to gather enough food for you to survive the 7-8 other months of the year. If you did not work extremely hard on a summer-time, you'd be dead at winter. In warmer countries, there has never been that problem. You could always think that "nah, I'll do it tomorrow". Here that kind of thinking was equal to suicide. Growing food was impossible during the winter time and also hunting was way more difficult, as there were less animals and moving for humans was so much harder and slower in a deep snow. So you really had to do the work during the short summer. I think that is the main reason why nation in far North are usually in a pretty good shape.

It's just sad that today, when you wouldn't have to work so damn hard all the time, people have it in their blood, and work hard all through the year, burning themselves up and creating frustration and anger inside them (espeacially at the dark winter time, when people don't see sun more than couple of hours per day and there's no sitting outside with friends anymore). And that's also why in here the people who has no work are seen as the lowest dirt of all. For a Finn, for example, a job is everything. It really is. You have to have a job and you may never complain about it. Never. You'll just do the work and shut the f*ck up. A lot of people even feel pride of that - that they never complain about anything, no matter what. That's like a model for men in here. It's like a competetion: who can take most shit on them and not say a one thing about it.


So that's why this place is so advanced. We were just having that conversation yesterday with my mother. She wondered how the US managed to be so advanced and built up for only a 200 year old nation... I mean, as far as advanced goes knowledge wise, the knowledge you require to build anything advanced can come from just rushing to import all the world's greatest artists, philosophers, scientists, military strategists and the like... But then there's the question of where did they get the money to pay them off? How does that work? How do you establish a world economy? How would you know the US's place in it? What makes them richer than other nations? It's definite that nowadays places like Canada and Russia have more natural resources than the US but are not richer countries...? It's an overall collective of everything you have - the average of the quality and quantity combined of everything you have.

See - the average price for a 2 bedroom house in the US - a house made out of wood like North American construction usually is - is about $300,000. This is for a 2 bedroom house in an average income neighborhood(so the average US individual income is about $40,000 a year and I don't know how this works either, does it take the average income of the lower 98 percent or the total 100 percent, combining with the millions in income of the upper 0.5 percent, then in reality the lower 95 percent of people would have an income under $40,000). Same goes with Canada. You throw in the availability of jobs, survivable minimum wage, availability of housing, availability of charitable foundations willing to help you get set up in finding a job and a home(and they always do), the quality of the roads and infrastructure, the quality and quantity of the goods and services in the private sector, how organized the government is on all levels, how good the emergency services are and the quality of the goods and services in the public sector, the international rights you get from having an American passport, the system where you can get a credit card maxed out for $30,000 for example in just 8 years of paying off your bills correctly, stuff like that, being able to get everything you want and need gradually(most countries don't give you that chance), so on and so fourth. Most houses and apartments have electricity and hot water year round.

Meanwhile, my house in Macedonia, which is of cinder block and brick construction, we have to turn on the boiler which isn't located in the basement like most American houses but right on top of the fucking bathtub, we have to wait for it 2 hours to heat up for 10 minutes of hot water, I have a 7 bedroom house, 3 balconies, 1.5 bathrooms, garage + 2 extra rooms in the basement, no built in heating but we use small fireplaces to burn wood which is cheaper than having a gas line or electric heaters or using a solar panel like alot of new houses in my neighborhood do. Gas and cars are more expensive than in the US. Food is about the same price, only fruits and vegetables are cheaper - oh and alcohol and tobacco is also 4x cheaper - but I'm talking about beer and wine and homemade brandy(which you aren't even allowed to sell because it's homemade), not brand name stuff like Jack Daniels. Clothing can also be cheaper sometimes - but you're better off buying stuff at a thrift store in the US - you'll get better quality. Leather stuff like leather shoes is way cheaper, because where I come from the textile industry has always been booming and we've made alot of high quality stuff that ships internationally, the shoes that Bargala makes for example are sold for over 200 Euros a pair in Western European countries while only costing about 40 Euros in the stores that company has in my hometown. Brand name running shoes - on the other hand - are twice as expensive as in the West. Now what takes the cake is on top of the availability of jobs being shit - the average monthly salary in Eastern Macedonia is 150 Euros. You can't do shit with that money - especially if you have a family to feed. Thus, my house is valued at just over 50,000 Euros..........

Nightlife and social life, on the other hand, is some of the best in the world, I guarantee you this, the only better nightlife is the type of nightlife you can find if you're rich and frequent elite nightclubs in major cities like New York, London and Paris - especially if you have VIP status and engage in orgy parties in the VIP section of that club. Getting laid is hard - especially for outsiders who are unaware of the local mentality which is a fucking web of complexity and encryption. Some have it easier than others and local whores are more than willing to fuck an outsider, but most men just fail at picking up women in Eastern Macedonia. But I guarantee you you will not find more freedom to get drunk and go nuts anywhere else - as long as you don't get into fights, go around grabbing girls asses or dancing on tables if other people aren't doing it and the security isn't giving them a beating for it, then you shouldn't have a problem.

So, the location is important.

We just wonder how these massive cities were built in such a short period of time. Slaves from Africa? No, they worked in the South. Italian and Chinese migrant workers for construction...

Competing is the same here too, but I really don't think Canadians - especially younger generations - see working as the only thing in the world to them. I think everybody here is aware of the fact that if you have money, a collage diploma and connections, you'll be better off at age 30 than if you didn't have money, go to school or connections to begin with. There's some people who graduate from the same high school at the same time - yet at age 30 one of them goes off to work for minimum wage while the other makes 3-4x what he makes. Most of the time this is the case because the one making minimum wage didn't finish a collage program, but alot of times it's because the other one had more connections and proved himself better.

See, my brother for example, didn't have money to begin with, but he did take a bunch of courses at the University of Toronto, I'm not sure if he finished any programs. He was academically proficient, so he was able to get student loans. Me, on the other hand, I can't concentrate on studying if I don't know for sure it's going to pay off. I'm a detail oriented thinker like that. Right before the job he landed, the one he's working now, a high paying white collar job, he was working at a call center, and before that - as a construction contractor(and most of the time before that - gas station attendant, building superintendent, etc.) He had connections to help him out.

You get connections everywhere not by being a good worker - but by being a likable human being. If you possess social skills - if people like you - especially people that you need to bend over backwards to impress if they didn't like you or felt neutral towards you - then you will have it easy.

Connections are more important than money or a diploma everywhere you go. A diploma is just a certificate that you know how to do whatever you're applying for. It doesn't guarantee efficiency, productivity, good conflict management, etc. Money is useless if you're so repellant that everybody wants to kill you at first sight. They eventually will and your money will belong to somebody else lol..

But if you have charm, a way of people, something like this is timeless. You can lose your money, you can lose your connections, your diploma and knowledge can become obsolete, but the way you deal with people and make new connections will always stick with you wherever you go.

I just don't understand some people. If you've watched Mad Men for example, you'll see that having a good job is the case here too. In Macedonia, people have a more realistic and more humane look on people's individual success - it's based on the type of person you are, they look at your character. If everybody likes you, if you're good at school, if you know how to do everything, then you'll have success. It's as simple as that. It's on a personal level. They don't look at how you work. It's enjoyment in life first, work second. Life is given to you for enjoyment.

In Canada and the US, it's a more materialistic way of looking at things. Prove yourself at work to prove yourself as a human being. BS. You can be good at work but bad in your private life. I've been around supervisors who were nice to me when working here but you can tell were complete douchebags outside of work. You can be a perfect robot of a worker but still be shit in other fields of life. In Macedonia, you should be a jack of all trades but a master of none. Nobody is perfect and being a master of a certain trade doesn't make you perfect. It just makes you unique, but doesn't make you perfect or likable.

It's a stupid system. As a result, people are all the same. There's no color. Everybody is too afraid to voice their ideas. They're only followers. And even the leaders are douchebags. This is anti-culture and anti-culture is not culture, it can't be the foundation of a society in the long run. Working keeps this anti-culture together, the common goal of making money. I can't believe how some people think you can actually make a life in a country like this. For me, life comes first. Fuck work. There's people who will always be stronger than you, faster than you, bigger than you, better than you. It's a simple fact of life. You're not competing to be the best, that's BS. It's an illusion, it's make believe, like the boogeyman. Especially if you make minimum wage, what's the point of competing? Now if you made 30 dollars an hour and bosses were promising constant handouts and promotions to the best members of the company, then fuck yeah I'd compete. But half wits and dumb fucks who think that competing for minimum wage will get them anywhere deserve to be working minimum wage. You're only proving to your superiors that you are as dumb as they expect you to be helping them make money while they don't give a fuck about you, only seeking to drain you like a lemon with every last bit of life you have while keeping you to work for them for as cheap as possible.

No thanks, this is not for me. I would take all of this shit if I could easily make friends, easily get girlfriends, go out to nightclubs or bars twice a week. None of this is happening for me. Maybe because I live in the outskirts of the Greater Toronto Area, this town has a reputation for having smug people. Even then as a country, it's boring, it's hard to make friends and hard to enjoy life. This country has a reputation for concentrating on work. The politeness here is forced upon people, that's why they're so frustrated. Because what's more insulting than being forced to work for little money in an environment where you have no friends and no sex and no fun whatsoever, and having to smile about it the whole time? Whoever thought we should be thankful for this, fuck em. Sure, you have more stability than third world countries but at the cost of happiness. Some people would rather be happy and have just enough to eat and a roof over their head than to have what I have - a three bedroom apartment by the lake - with the interior decor that a high end Italian designer could get you - but for what? I have to drive 1 hour and 30 minutes to Toronto just to see my friends and even they're not always available. I always work weekends. There's no people outside where I am, so I even have to go out in Toronto to get find a bitch to get laid. It's only senior citizens where I am.

http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx - I did the cheapest test they have, that Y-DNA12. It was about 45 dollars with all costs incuded. Now it seems to be a little more expensive...

P.S. I'll come back for the other things you wrote, as I don't now have time for all of it....


Thank you for that. I just wanted to know for sure, I wanted to take the cheaper tests too but then again I figured maybe if I saved up and got the more expensive tests, they'd be more worth it in some ways..?

I just don't understand how the 60 dollar test could trace your ancestry back to 29 generations but the more expensive tests trace your ancestry back less and less...? This doesn't make sense?

So how accurate would you say your test was?


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