


PS can I swear at Jews for doing that???

Christina Marie wrote:PS can I swear at Jews for doing that???
What THE HELL are talking about!!!!??? Hezbollah executed an Israeli border gaurd and kidnapped I think 3 others. What are they supposed to do...allow this?

Those Israelian soldiers were on the Libanon's side of the border. Any country would capture other countries soldiers if they would come over the border without any kind of permission.



Christina Marie wrote:Those Israelian soldiers were on the Libanon's side of the border. Any country would capture other countries soldiers if they would come over the border without any kind of permission.
No they were'nt. They were patrolling the Gaza strip which they still have a right to patrol.



Mahmoud Siddiqi wrote:Israel's response to its soldiers' capture is part of a hamfisted attempt to redraw the region's map
The capture of three Israeli soldiers by the Lebanese resistance movement, Hizbullah, to bargain for prisoner exchange should come as no surprise – least of all to Israel, which must bear its own responsibility for the abductions and is using this conflict to pursue its wider strategic aims.
The prisoners Hizbullah wants released are hostages who were taken on Lebanese soil. In the successful prisoner exchange in 2004, Israel held on to three Lebanese detainees as bargaining chips and to keep the battle front with Hizbullah open. These detentions have become a cause celebre in Lebanon. In a recent poll, efforts to effect their release attracted majority support, much more even than the liberation of Shebaa Farms, the disputed corridor of land between Syria and Lebanon still occupied by Israel.
The domestic significance of these hostages is ignored by those who choose to reduce the abductions to an act of solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza. Indeed Israel’s media are aware of recent attempts to capture soldiers, including a botched attempt a few months ago in which three Hizbullah fighters were killed. Hizbullah’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, confirmed the attack took five months to plan. Its timing was probably a coincidence. It would seem, though, Hizbullah exerts some influence over the fighters in Gaza – those who captured Corporal Shalit were at the very least inspired by Hizbullah.
The regional significance of the abductions has also been misconstrued. To suggest Hizbullah attacked on the orders of Tehran and Damascus is to grossly oversimplify a strong strategic and ideological relationship. Historically there has been an overlap of interests between Syria, Iran, Hizbullah and Hamas. Together they form a strategic axis – the “axis of terror” to Israel – that confronts US-Israeli designs to redraw the map of the region.
But the nature of that relationship has changed much over the years. Since Syrian forces left Lebanon, Hizbullah has become the stronger party. It has never allowed any foreign power to dictate its military strategy.
It is ironic, given Israel’s bombing of civilian targets in Beirut, that Hizbullah is often dismissed in the west as a terrorist organisation. In fact its military record is overwhelmingly one of conflict with Israeli forces inside Lebanese territory. This is just an example of the way that the west employs an entirely different definition of terrorism to the one used in the Arab world and elsewhere, where there is a recognition that terrorism can come in many forms.
The attempt to frame Hizbullah as a terrorist organisation is very far from political reality in Lebanon, from public opinion across the Arab and Islamic world, and from international law.
Israel’s disproportionate response to the soldiers’ capture will have an impact on Lebanese domestic policy. Hizbullah has recently proposed a comprehensive national defence strategy; the Lebanese government has yet to come up with anything similarly convincing. If demands for a prisoner exchange are successful then it shows that what Hizbullah would term the logic of resistance is the most effective defence strategy. Israel’s escalation has been a poor PR exercise. Even if it succeeds in showing the Lebanese people that Hizbullah can be a liability, this may well be cancelled out by Israel’s own aggression, which will only confirm Hizbullah’s repeated warnings of the constant threat posed by Israel.



Christina Marie wrote:I was wrong about the Gaza strip. But Hezbollah did cross into Israel and thats the bottom line. And the media sure is twisting shit. If you saw a military map of the airstrikes you would see that Lebanon is striking far more than Israel. Doesnt matter anyway....we are all going to pick sides. Obviously we have.

Christina Marie wrote:There has been a conspiracy since the beginning of time to "redraw" the map over there. As for Israel bombing civilian targets...BS!!! Hezbollah and Hamas headquarters just so happento be nested in the middle of civilian population.


punamusta wrote:Christina Marie wrote:I was wrong about the Gaza strip. But Hezbollah did cross into Israel and thats the bottom line. And the media sure is twisting shit. If you saw a military map of the airstrikes you would see that Lebanon is striking far more than Israel. Doesnt matter anyway....we are all going to pick sides. Obviously we have.
Ok. Let's say those two Israelian soldiers were captured at the borderline and not at the Lebanon's ground. Still that don't justify Israel's acts at the Lebanon ground. First of all, it was Hizbollah that captured those soldiers, not Lebanon. Lebanon's new government is supported by US and is mainly Christian as US wanted it that way. The government there has nothing to do with Hizbollah, although Hizbollah has a pretty firm supporting among the people of Lebanon.
Secondly, Israel itself has hundreds of Lebanese and Palestinian people locked up in their prisons (lot of them are under 16-years old kids). Huge majority of those prisoners are captured in Lebanon or Palestine soil. Both, Palestine and Lebanon has demanded those prisoners to be free or atleast move them to their own prisons. Israel has always denied that and on top of that they even captured a short time ago 20 Palestinian ministers and members of the parliament! What crimes have they been accused? Why Israel arrested them?
And now Israel is bombing government departments, hospitals, electricity plants, roads, bridges, civilian houses, fleeing citizens. Already hundreds of dead civilians, nearly two million people without electricity, no food supplies, no proper health care. And all that for a 3 soldiers (2 held in Lebanon, 1 in Gaza)! Do they really expect us to believe that all this is just because of those 3 soldiers? No, Israel has bigger plans behind this. As I said earlier, they looked for an excuse, and now they found one.
And you really can't say that Israel is defending themselves. What they do now is trying to overthrow Palestinian government that is democraticly and legally chosen.

Christina Marie wrote:punamusta wrote:Christina Marie wrote:I was wrong about the Gaza strip. But Hezbollah did cross into Israel and thats the bottom line. And the media sure is twisting shit. If you saw a military map of the airstrikes you would see that Lebanon is striking far more than Israel. Doesnt matter anyway....we are all going to pick sides. Obviously we have.
Ok. Let's say those two Israelian soldiers were captured at the borderline and not at the Lebanon's ground. Still that don't justify Israel's acts at the Lebanon ground. First of all, it was Hizbollah that captured those soldiers, not Lebanon. Lebanon's new government is supported by US and is mainly Christian as US wanted it that way. The government there has nothing to do with Hizbollah, although Hizbollah has a pretty firm supporting among the people of Lebanon.
Secondly, Israel itself has hundreds of Lebanese and Palestinian people locked up in their prisons (lot of them are under 16-years old kids). Huge majority of those prisoners are captured in Lebanon or Palestine soil. Both, Palestine and Lebanon has demanded those prisoners to be free or atleast move them to their own prisons. Israel has always denied that and on top of that they even captured a short time ago 20 Palestinian ministers and members of the parliament! What crimes have they been accused? Why Israel arrested them?
And now Israel is bombing government departments, hospitals, electricity plants, roads, bridges, civilian houses, fleeing citizens. Already hundreds of dead civilians, nearly two million people without electricity, no food supplies, no proper health care. And all that for a 3 soldiers (2 held in Lebanon, 1 in Gaza)! Do they really expect us to believe that all this is just because of those 3 soldiers? No, Israel has bigger plans behind this. As I said earlier, they looked for an excuse, and now they found one.
And you really can't say that Israel is defending themselves. What they do now is trying to overthrow Palestinian government that is democraticly and legally chosen.
Hezbollah is'nt even a military organization! Hezbollah decided to do this all on their own. The UN voted and decided to disarm these types of groups and Hezbollah has not complied. Iran is supplying them and Syria is allowing movement of weapons through their country.


Sentenza wrote:And Israel is aiming at the destruction of Hizbollah, which is completey unrealistic.
And I completely agre with you there, but they are fighting "the good fight".
Even if they kill Nasralla, the chief of the Hizbollah, there are already ten people in line to follow him.
Once again...agreed.
And every killed Lebanese civilian will only create ten more suicide bombers that will hit Israel when the next chance is given.
Every orphan they create will grab an AK 47 when old enough and hate Israel even more.
Sad but true, yes
What they are doing now CANT be the solution.War and killings cant be the solution. They try it like that for almost 60 years now. Has it worked? Obviously no.
It is written.:cry:
This way they are only digging their grave in the long run, because time is playing for the arabs.

Christina Marie wrote:
And I completely agre with you there, but they are fighting "the good fight".


Sentenza wrote:In addition,Israel has killed more civilians, than Terrorists have. 620 children in the last four years alone.
They should stop that and just fight the terrorists.

Christina Marie wrote:
Hezbollah is'nt even a military organization! Hezbollah decided to do this all on their own. The UN voted and decided to disarm these types of groups and Hezbollah has not complied. Iran is supplying them and Syria is allowing movement of weapons through their country.






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