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[wickedthoughtts]

fresno did not start NF. sorry dude. NF was started central valley and central coast sprinkled with some socal people who didn't like la eme. not fresno specifically. bakersfield was just a town on the map. it wasn't anyone's terrority. back in those days they probably like what? 10 or 20 gang members. as far as i've been told it's a crips and surenos town. to this day i have no idea who came up with the ...it was dominated by nortenos. it's bakersfield man. and no original members of la eme came from SF. i don't know where you got that from.

[wickedthoughtts]

After a four-year investigation, local and federal law enforcement agencies Tuesday named 25 people -- many of them Vallejo-based rappers -- as defendants in an alleged drug trafficking ring operating across the Bay Area and in several states.

The joint investigation by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, Vallejo Police Department and other agencies originated in Vallejo in 2008, Vallejo police Lt. Ken Weaver said. At least 16 of the named individuals are from Vallejo, Weaver added.


The investigation uncovered a network of drug distributors centered in Vallejo's Country Club Crest neighborhood in north Vallejo, a U.S. Justice Department release said. The nearly 100 pages of affidavits describing the lengthy undercover probe

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Those remaining defendants not from Vallejo, are from Fairfield, Stockton, Dublin, Oakland, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York and Oklahoma City, according to the release.

Four of the 16 Vallejo residents were arrested last Thursday, Weaver said. They are Lawrence Kennedy Nelson, 42; Eric Lesean Robinson, 42; Narco McFarland Sr., 43; and Major Norton III, 37.


Arrest warrants have been issued for the remaining defendants, Weaver said. Among those being sought is Michael Lott, a close associate of Vallejo rapper Mac Dre (Andre Hicks), who was shot to death in Kansas City in November 2004. Others from Vallejo who were being sought Tuesday include: Gaylord Franklin Jr., aka "Geezy," 42; Clifford Bullock III, aka "Black," 34; Damian Peterson, 36; Dante Barbarin, 39; Andre Cawthorne, aka "Dre from the Bay," 38; Anthony Young, 25; Bruce Thurmon II, aka "Little Bruce," 41; and Jasquez Harris, 36.

The documents released by the Department of Justice also indicated that Marcus Davis, Mikel Brown and Nicholas Ramirez as being Vallejo residents.


Davis and Ramirez were arrested, but Ramirez was released from custody. Meanwhile, Davis is still awaiting trial in Sacramento for the Feb. 20, 2011 shooting death of Chester Jackson, 27, outside a restaurant in Natomas.


Others arrested and in custody were Eileen Knight, Ung Duong, Phat Nguyen, Michael Smiley and and Anthony Payton. One Tiffany Brown was arrested and released.


Those who are charged and not yet in custody were Latroy Cunningham and Beshiba "Pebbles" Cook.


Mac Dre had co-founded "Thizz Entertainment," which many of the 25 people are associated with, according to the Justice Department. "Thizz Entertainment" is one of the Bay Area's largest rap labels. According to the

In addition to the arrests, agents seized about 45,000 Ecstasy pills, 4 pounds of crack cocaine, a half-pound of heroin and $200,000 in suspected drug profits, and forfeited about 230 acres of property valued at about $1 million. In addition, last Thursday a number of search warrants led to the seizure of about five pounds of marijuana, a loaded firearm, a 2010 Audi A6 and an Audi S5. Agents seized $67,238 in Vallejo and $6,831 in Sacramento, authorities said.


According to documents attached to the criminal complaints, many of the defendants also were involved in sales of marijuana through associations with various marijuana dispensaries in Vallejo. Other illegal drugs allegedly sold to informants were heroin, cocaine, crack cocaine and Ecstasy. Drug shipments were sent from the Vallejo area to Oklahoma City; Jamaica; Queens, N.Y.; Atlanta; and Milwaukee.


Thizz Entertainment could be traced back to the notorious Vallejo-based gang, the Romper Room Gang, which was active in the late 1980s and 1990s.


Police said many of the Vallejo suspects were acquainted with the gang.


"Just about everybody (the suspects) was associated with the Romper Room robberies in the late 1990s," Weaver said.


The Romper Room's activities included armed bank robberies, drug trafficking and murder. Investigations made by the Vallejo police department, assisted by federal agents, led to many of the members' arrests.


In addition to the Bay Area activities, federal law enforcement alleged in their court documents that:


* Michael Smiley, a member of the Bounty Hunter Blood's Street Gang in Oklahoma City, was being supplied Ecstasy by Nicholas Ramirez "White Boy Nick" and Marcus "Killa" Davis, both of Vallejo.


* Marico Whitemon, an associate of Lott's and involved in some of the illegal drug transactions, was subsequently shot to death in Vallejo on Feb. 6, 2010.


* Lott told an undercover officer that he supplied marijuana to two Vallejo marijuana dispensaries, including North Bay Alternative Healing at 1516 Napa St., owned by co-defendant Clifford Bullock III, of Vallejo. Bullock was still at large. Police say the dispensary is no longer operating.


A May 4 preliminary hearing in the case was set for U.S. District Court in Sacramento.

Copyright 2012 Vallejo Times Herald. All rights reserved.

[jeff]

fresno did not start NF. sorry dude. NF was started central valley and central coast sprinkled with some socal people who didn't like la eme. not fresno specifically. bakersfield was just a town on the map. it wasn't anyone's terrority. back in those days they probably like what? 10 or 20 gang members. as far as i've been told it's a crips and surenos town. to this day i have no idea who came up with the ...it was dominated by nortenos. it's bakersfield man. and no original members of la eme came from SF. i don't know where you got that from.

have you seen the NF timeline http://crimefile.servertalk.in/crimefile-ftopic307.html it says:

Nuestra Familia's first street regiment organized in Fresno.

and

1973
Nuestra familia establishes a prescence on the streets of Fresno, California. Gang investigators take note
for the first time gang related graffiti with the symbol F-14 "a reference to Nuestra Familia's first sub-
group."

i think it makes sense that fresno were the first nortenos on the streets. fresno is the biggest city in the central valley. maybe you are right that it wasn't only NF from fresno who started it in prison, but it looks like they were the first ones to bring it to the streets. and the reason i bring up bakersfield is because it was originally considered under the domain of the NF, even though it's not northern california. my point being, it seems as if NF didn't start out as a northern california thing,but as something for inmates from the agricultural cities and towns north of L.A. (central calif) i've seen SF mentioned in old eme artwork.

[jeff]

sorry, it's hard to make out what it says. but it's a eme roll call and it has names on it from frisco, visalia, and sacramento to name a few.

[wickedthoughtts]

"Nuestra Familia's first street regiment organized in Fresno. and 1973
Nuestra familia establishes a prescence on the streets of Fresno, California. Gang investigators take note
for the first time gang related graffiti with the symbol F-14 a reference to Nuestra Familia's first sub-
group".....according to who exactly?? by the way the same site lists a bust in ventura county somewhere as part of NF and a bust in national city as part of NF. site is full of holes. i trust the cdc notes and the murder record but some of it is whatever. in any event you just argued your own argument, fresno did not start nuestra familia. and everyone knows NF were started by farmeros from central valley. but there's a list of orginal members and some of them were from SOCAL. but i don't recall fresno. not originally. the heart of NF and nortenos, i think, then and now, has always been salinas. as far was that "eme" roll call picture, man i've that damn picture so many times on gangland. when they had show on eme, that picture showed up,same with florencia, avenue, MS, 18th, sur...everytime the narrator goes "they were under the la eme, otherwise known as the mexican mafia" they put that damn picture up. do you know when and where that was drawn and by who ? has it occured to you that list are the names of people under la eme and not the actual members. could have been a hit list. could have been a list of people in LA county jail in the sureno car. and i don't think LA EME keeps a "roll call."

[jeff]

"Nuestra Familia's first street regiment organized in Fresno. and 1973
Nuestra familia establishes a prescence on the streets of Fresno, California. Gang investigators take note
for the first time gang related graffiti with the symbol F-14 a reference to Nuestra Familia's first sub-
group".....according to who exactly?? by the way the same site lists a bust in ventura county somewhere as part of NF and a bust in national city as part of NF. site is full of holes. i trust the cdc notes and the murder record but some of it is whatever. in any event you just argued your own argument, fresno did not start nuestra familia. and everyone knows NF were started by farmeros from central valley. but there's a list of orginal members and some of them were from SOCAL. but i don't recall fresno. not originally. the heart of NF and nortenos, i think, then and now, has always been salinas. as far was that "eme" roll call picture, man i've that damn picture so many times on gangland. when they had show on eme, that picture showed up,same with florencia, avenue, MS, 18th, sur...everytime the narrator goes "they were under the la eme, otherwise known as the mexican mafia" they put that damn picture up. do you know when and where that was drawn and by who ? has it occured to you that list are the names of people under la eme and not the actual members. could have been a hit list. could have been a list of people in LA county jail in the sureno car. and i don't think LA EME keeps a "roll call."

yeah, fair enough I can’t authenticate those statements. It would take hearing how it started from someone who was in fresno back then or maybe some newspaper articles to back it up. it is an interesting question though, when did the norteno presence start to become known on the streets. I have searched the archives of the sf chronicle and it wasn’t until the late 1980’s that they were first mentioned. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the list of original members if you have a link please post it. On the site I linked to, it says some of the originals were from san Bernardino county, so that goes along with what you said that some were from socal. Salinas is mentioned as the NF headquarters today, but back then I’m sure it was different. Think about how big of a city fresno is compared to Salinas, or any other city in the central valley for that matter. They had to have more members than anyone. F14 had factions in different sides of the city,and the small towns in fresno county. And the picture with the black hand I’m pretty sure is a roll call of some sort. It has topo peters name at the top, and he’s one of their recognized leaders. Lol as for gangland, that show is notorious for using footage of gang pics and art that have nothing to do with who their talking about. I’ll see if I can get a better scan of it up here. It seems to show the eme were well represented in northern cities. They might be considered organized crime but their roots are in street gangs, so something like a roll call, or tattoos like the black hand are still part of how they operate.

[wickedthoughtts]

talked to some of my friends that still in the bay...seems like the san jose surenos are taking alot of losses the last 2 years.....

[jeff]

ok, since you bumped the thread i had to share this info i came across. this is from 1 of the early gang websites on the internet
http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/ganglandex ... age10.html i highlighted the most interesting parts

' One of the largest and oldest Norte barrio is East Side Fresno Bulldogs. Aparently they no longer claim Norte but Bulldog Nation, still using the 14 for Nation. Either way they are in the Norte. They got their name off of the University in their barrio, whose mascot was the Bulldog, and whose color is conveniently maroon. I have heard from veteranos from San Fer that they are the traditional rivals, and have been since before the 14 and 13 started. I have also heard of vatos from Florencia rolling all the way to Fresno, because they claim the same initial:F14/F13. I have also heard the story vice versa, but few choose to remember this. Fresno is divide into sides, with the East and North Sides being Norteno, and the South Side being Sureno. The West Side is probably Norteno aswell.These boudaries are rarely observed, with everybody claiming on all sides. The traditional boundary for North and South is Bakersfield, although it is rarely observed. The only definite boundary is the LA county line, with every thing south bieng only south. North of that it all varies.'

so this brings up a few questions. is it possible the color red came from the fresno bulldogs school colors? i've only heard vague explanations about why norte adopted red, and sur did blue. this would make the most sense. and the veterano from san fer's story adds more credibility that maybe it started in fresno. notice he refers to fresno as part of norte territory.

[jeff]

and by the way,coming up this monday there's a new documentary about nortenos airing on the Discovery Channel it comes on at 10 pm.

[~J~]

Been a while since I posted I figured I'd throw the trailer on this thread probably get more views here anyway. thought you guys might like it.

http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/2429 ... iler-.html

[StillNoScript]

the funny thing is, fresno were the first ones to claim norte. they started the NF. the diss for a norteno was farmero, that proves their central valley roots. how many farms are there in the bay area? northerner originally meant north of L.A. not necessarily northern california. bakersfield was considered one of the first northern territories too. but the bay area, like oakland and san francisco are as far removed from being farmers as L.A. another ironic thing is that some of the original eme members were from san francisco.

The central valley was not the only region populated with Mexican farmers. Almost all of California was. The only areas that weren't were the core areas of LA and SF metropolitan areas. Even on the outskirts of LA you had farmers. Riverside, Inland Empire, etc. Right over the hill from SF you have Half Moon Bay, Santa Cruz, Watsonville, etc. Most of the Sacramento valley was and still is farmland. Almost the entire Silicon Valley always has been. San Jose became such a large city because of the influx of farm workers. There is no way that "farmero" could have referred to Fresno exclusively, at an time in California's history.

[Rudog]

talked to some of my friends that still in the bay...seems like the san jose surenos are taking alot of losses the last 2 years.....

I was wondering if someone was going to speak on that. Some of the stabbings & shootings, especially happened in neighborhoods that have or have had "south sider" presence in the past. I also want to speak on something brought up earlier. Even if some big homies were the 1st in the streets, it don't mean they were the first big homies. You know what I mean? Well don't care to speak on the subject, but I think you know what I mean.

[Rudog]

Well mainly just heard about shootings & only heard about some shooting at the car wash on White/East Hills the other day. Didn't get to see any news about that yet. Passed right by there that day to.

[wickedthoughtts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqXewcWh ... re=related

wow!!! lmao

[OGCricket]

talked to some of my friends that still in the bay...seems like the san jose surenos are taking alot of losses the last 2 years.....

2 KILLED ON VIRGINIA AND KING RD THE DUDE KILLING ON SAN ANTONIO RD OTHER GOT RAN OVER ON MCLAUGHIN AND MELBOURNE ANOTHER STABBED ON WILLOW AND VINE. ALSO LOOKS LIKE KVT GOT BOOTED FROM THE APARTMENT THERE REDUEING THEM AND PUTTING IN NEW TENENTS SAW SOME WRITING NEAR THE FLEA MARKET WHERE VNH IS EVERYWHERE HOPE THEY DON'T GET BRAVE AND TRY TO MAKE THE NORTH SIDE HOME.

[wickedthoughtts]

Recent Soledad killings may have been ordered from prison
Soledad: Killings likely ordered to settle scores, punish dropouts
By CLAUDIA MELENDEZ SALINAS
Herald Staff Writermontereyherald.com
Posted: 08/04/2012 10:00:19 PM PDT
August 6, 2012 5:57 PM GMTUpdated: 08/06/2012 10:57:46 AM PDT



Click photo to enlargeSoledad Police Chief Eric Sills says recent killings have been a wake-up... (VERN FISHER/The Herald)«1»Johnny "Tiger" Torres was no angel, his cousin will readily admit. He had his run-ins with the law, but he had a wonderful laugh and a great sense of humor.

"He wasn't perfect, but then again, who is?" said his cousin, Avelina Torres. "And to me, it doesn't matter what kind of life you've led. If you've been murdered, your murder has to be investigated no matter what the circumstances are."

Torres, 62, was killed on Sept. 4, shot in the head on his driveway on Soledad's Dixie Street as the town wrapped up its Fiesta Days.

As with the five killings that have taken place in Soledad during the past 16 months — the most recent one happened two weeks ago — no arrests have been made.

Gang investigators are convinced the string of killings occurred because leaders of the Nuestra Familia prison gang have sent orders to settle old scores and execute gang dropouts.

The brazen slayings began in March 2011 and have continued up to the fatal shooting two weeks ago of 34-year-old George Campa. All occurred in daylight. They were all near the victims' homes, and in some cases in front of friends or relatives.

Four of the five were killed on a Sunday, and two killings took place on holidays — one on Easter Sunday.

The methods are chillingly similar. Police say the shooters walked up to the victims and shot them at close range, making sure they would not survive.

"Clearly it's a wake-up call for these guys," said Soledad Police Chief Eric


Sills. "Many of these guys who have been targeted, if you talk to the families and relatives, they have felt this was coming. They have seen people literally drive by their houses and yell out threats. Nobody can say they're safe."

Old vendettas


Various federal and local investigators say the slayings are the manifestation of recent Nuestra Familia gang orders to "take care of" older defectors and others considered in bad standing with the gang — vendettas stemming from decade-old grudges forged during a civil war that ruptured the gang in Salinas.

To help implement the plan, one official said, a gang lieutenant was recently paroled from prison with orders to "clean up dropouts."

With few leads and no arrests made to date, the region's most prominent criminal organization appears to be operating with impunity as officers struggle to stem the bloodshed.

Most of the victims were living low-profile lives. Despite histories of drug use and shoplifting, they had demonstrated no gang involvement for 10 years or more.

Their former gang ties, however, date to an exceptionally violent period in the late 1990s. Court and police reports show that the victims had stepped away from gang life during or just after the civil war schisms.

It started on March 7, 2011, when Laurencia Hiracheta, 57, was gunned down outside her apartment building as she warmed up her car. Hiracheta had been a close gang associate for much of her life, but she walked away in 2001.

Next came Torres' killing while gang members staged a fight at Soledad Fiesta Days, apparently to distract the police. Torres' former gang involvement was considered minor, but his home was known as a hangout for gang dropouts, which might have incurred the wrath of the organization, law enforcement officials say.

Dario Melchor, 42, was next. He was barbecuing at home on Easter Sunday when he was shot and killed. A 62-year-old man with him was shot but survived.


Witness accounts needed


Law enforcement officials repeatedly say that witnesses make or break cases, and in crimes such as these, it's safe to assume that those who saw anything — friends and relatives — are scared.

Except for Avelina Torres, family members contacted for this story would not speak to The Herald. Other residents say they believe the Nuestra Familia is behind the murders and that more are coming. There is talk of a list of priority hits on older gang dropouts.

Henry Campa, uncle to the latest murder victim, would only say that everyone wants the violence to stop.

"Our prayers go out" to everyone, said Campa, a well-known clergyman with Victory Outreach. "If anyone wants to be counseled, we're available."

The fourth victim was Jesse Herrera, a 40-year-old shot to death June 3 as he was coming home from the store. He was shot multiple times and found on Nestles Road behind a shopping center.

George Campa, 34, had just been released from a short jail stay on a probation violation and was headed home from a store when he was shot outside the house where he was staying, Chief Sills said.

Sills said the investigations into the killings are going "pretty well."


Orders from prison


Gang associates from the area, who spoke to The Herald on condition their names would not be published, say the Soledad slayings were sanctioned by the gang's brass in prison, and would require the approval of top local leadership. Stopping short of accusing him of ordering any hits, law enforcement officials identify Vincent Garcia, who hails from the turbulent civil war era, as the highest-ranking gang member in the Salinas Valley.

Gang associates say he emerged after regiment commanders were swept up in operations Knockout and Street Sweeper during the past two years.

Known to gang members as Big Chente, Vincent Garcia worked closely under Rico Garcia, one of the main instigators of the late 1990s civil war at around the same time. They are not related.

Now in his mid-40s, Vincent Garcia grew up in Acosta Plaza in Salinas, and has recently lived in both Greenfield and Salinas. In 1999, he was sentenced to nine years in prison after six members of Rico Garcia's gang crew were charged in connection with one murder and a failed plot to kill six others in 1998. According to court records, he was caught on an FBI informant's tape urging the shooter to use hollow-point bullets because they would cause the most damage.

In the summer of 2007, Vincent Garcia was among a group of Nuestra Familia statewide leaders who convened a meeting after the gang's top commanders in Salinas were arrested under the FBI's Operation Valley Star, according to law enforcement records. The purpose of the meeting, held in Tulare County, was to discuss the gang's remaining resources.


Greenfield killing


This week, another slaying in nearby Greenfield caught investigators' attention as possibly being part of the pattern, though they have since abandoned that theory. Thomas Morales, 34, died when someone walked up and shot him and another man at close range around 10 p.m. Monday.

Sills said detectives believe Morales was still an active gang member, and recent jail classification records back this up.

"I thought, 'This sounds like the same old thing because of his age,' but now we don't believe it is," said Sills, who is now running both cities' police departments.

Under an agreement between Soledad and Greenfield officials, Sills took over the Greenfield department in March after months of turmoil. After a gang-related shooting that left an 18-year-old man dead and one seriously wounded in May, Greenfield police identified three suspects and arrested two. The third suspect, Richard Jerry Criado, was located in a Texas border town and arrested by U.S. marshals.

It was Greenfield's second murder of 2012, and the quick arrests prompted jubilation from residents who immediately praised Sills' turnaround of the department.

Sills attributes the rapid results in the May 8 shooting to a new tone set in the Greenfield Police Department.

"I asked (for the officers) to be more visible in the community," he said. "The officers came together. We have evidence, we have people who came forward and we made an arrest."

The Soledad City Council this week approved a plan to begin exploring the possibility of combining law enforcement agencies with Greenfield, King City and Gonzales.

"All the cities intend to look at it," Sills said. "The question is when, and whether, the councils will put money into conducting research."


No arrests yet


The chief has his critics, and some continue to wonder, in light of the Greenfield arrests, why none has been made in the Soledad cases.

"Has Sills given those poor souls in Soledad that type of attention?" said Johnny Torres' cousin Avelina. "I don't think he has."

Sills defends his department's record saying a case has been made against Armando Canchola, a Norteño gang member now awaiting trial for two murders. Canchola is accused of killing Victor Martinez, 25, on Oct. 6, 2010, and Cesar Alvarado Vasquez, 28, back in 2008.

Information for the most recent cases "is very difficult to come up with," Sills said. "We're relying on physical evidence but people are not forthcoming. Yeah, these are tragedies, difficult cases to prove, but where would we be if not for (recent) grants trying to minimize the violence?"

Avelina Torres said that when her father died, Johnny became her protector. She was about 17, and after she began working at an all-night restaurant on Soledad's main street, Johnny would keep her company every night.

"He would sit in the restaurant to make sure nothing happened to me. He wanted to make sure I would not get hurt." she said. "As the years passed, I always got the same type of respect."

Johnny was six years older than his cousin. A lifelong Soledad resident, Johnny lived next door to Avelina's mother, and she would visit them both at the same time. After Avelina's mother died more than 20 years ago, the visits became less frequent, she said.

"To me, when he was murdered I could not understand why," she said. "He was older. Why kill these older people? What they are doing is wrong. It never makes sense to me why anybody gets killed or murdered."


pretty heavy stuff .....

[OGCricket]

2 weeks and 8 murders all around San Jose they think 6 or 7 were gang related shit's getting hot in the SJC.

[~J~]

What's up stranger nice to hear from you I was thinking on commenting on this on-goings... but I'll drop a comment now lol.

Apparently the cops shortage is spiking the crime in SJ but those greedy bastards can't complain about sh*t they're the ones that are taking all of the city's funds with fat pensions or seemingly bogus disability claims. all you can do is keep your head up and eyes focus cause you never know what one of those Locos might try. my neck of the woods ain't too bad, a lot of the gang activity is hitting on the East-side but is elsewhere too.

[MMRbkaRudog]

Saw a big fail awhile back in Seaside (.sur:: on a sign).

[MMRbkaRudog]

Anybody know some of the areas surrounding Modesto pretty well? Here's a story about what happened around the towns of Hickman & Waterford:
http://www.modbee.com/2010/12/11/146620 ... -near.html
They think those were surenos. Funny thing is red & black gear with some new balances that have the letter n don't really seem like their choice of fashion, but there was an x3 on a sign at 1 of the roads mentioned & I have heard there are some south siders there. Haven't heard much about those towns other than that. Reason why I'm wondering is because I was thinking of moving to Stanislaus county & I want to get a better idea of some of the areas. Ceres seems like a norteno town, but I heard there's also some south siders over there.

[wickedthoughtts]

i dont anyone from modesto goes to this site lol but hey, seem like san jose, stockton and salinas is where all the actions at. the east bay homeboys...they don't know where the oakland and hayward surenos went. and richmond is starting to to have more red. ever since the raid on the surenos for those innocent people murdered they've been quiet. but from what they've told me alot of surenos are now in wine country. lol

[MMRbkaRudog]

i dont anyone from modesto goes to this site lol but hey, seem like san jose, stockton and salinas is where all the actions at. the east bay homeboys...they don't know where the oakland and hayward surenos went. and richmond is starting to to have more red. ever since the raid on the surenos for those innocent people murdered they've been quiet. but from what they've told me alot of surenos are now in wine country. lol

Maybe that's why we're not really hearing about what's going down in Modesto. I think there used to be some head from Mo, but that was years ago. Seems like HWD never had much of an infestation, but I did hear they were on a st called grape.

[~J~]

Well from my understanding... anything in the suburbs you should be fine like Ceres. North Modesto gets the most crime, west side, and east side some too. there's a lot of vehicle thefts there too. I know someone that stays out there and hear about of some of the sh*t going on the west side.

[~J~]

Thought someone might like this 1, one of their newer release songs which I think is pretty cool.

[MMRbkaRudog]

Well from my understanding... anything in the suburbs you should be fine like Ceres. North Modesto gets the most crime, west side, and east side some too. there's a lot of vehicle thefts there too. I know someone that stays out there and hear about of some of the sh*t going on the west side.

YEAH, CERES AIN'T AS OFF THE HOOK. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THOSE OTHER TOWNS, BUT EMPIRE JUST EAST OF MO DOESN'T SEEM TOO BAD EITHER. I ALWAYS PICTURED WSM BEING THE WORST, BUT I'M JUST AN OUTSIDER WHO NEVER LIVED THERE. I KNOW 1 YEAR THEY WERE CONSIDERED THE GTA CAPITAL, AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS. THE TOWN'S STILL NOT AS BAD AS A LOT OF THE TOWNS WE HEAR ABOUT THO..

[wickedthoughtts]

16 surenos arrested this year in the war. 4 victimes. not sure if all their victim were nortenos though. but seems like they're the only ones getting arrested. lol


Three men have been arrested and charged with murder in a gang-related shooting in San Jose that killed an 18-year-old man, police said.

Noe Hernandez, 20; Andy Gomez, 19, and Jose Gonzalez, 18, all of San Jose are being held in the slaying of Hanzel Perez Saucedo, said police Sgt. Jason Dwyer. Hernandez and Gomez were arrested Friday, and Gonzalez was already in custody in an unrelated case, Dwyer said.

Saucedo, who lived in San Jose, was accosted by at least two men and shot while standing near a parked car in an apartment complex on the 1700 block of Ross Circle shortly before 9 p.m. Oct. 17, Dwyer said. Saucedo died at Santa Clara Valley Medical Center.

The shooting was gang-related, and the three defendants have each been charged with murder and gang enhancements, Dwyer said. Each is being held without bail at Santa Clara County jail.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/3 ... z296wsI14O

04-11) 08:38 PDT SAN JOSE -- Three suspects have been arrested in a fatal gang-related stabbing in San Jose, police said.

Joseph Robidoux-Cadle, 22, of San Jose was found beaten and stabbed on the 1800 block of Sarasota Way east of Highway 101 just after 4 p.m. Saturday. He died at the scene.

Investigators believe the assailants were in an Acura Integra and chased down Robidoux-Cadle on foot after he walked by, said Officer Jose Garcia, a police spokesman. The attack was gang-related, he said.

Officers spotted the Acura nearby and arrested Alain Calvillo, 20, when he walked up to the car. He was booked on suspicion of being accessory to murder and held in lieu of $250,000 bail.

The other two suspects, Filiberto Barreto Lopez, 20, and Francisco Bartolo Chavez, 23, were arrested later after their car was stopped near South King and Story roads. They are being held without bail on suspicion of murder.



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SAN JOSE -- A total of 10 suspects were arrested in the past week in connection with two separate gang-related killings of young men that occurred about a month apart in the same East San Jose neighborhood, police said.

With the arrests, homicide detectives appear to have solved the city's 15th and 19th homicides. The overall homicide total reached 37 early Friday with a slaying in North San Jose. The city is on pace to eclipse a 15-year high in killings recorded in 2011, with two-and-a-half months left in the year.

The first set of arrests was made Oct. 3 in the May 16 death of 18-year-old Ricky Jacques, who was found in the 1000 block of Walnut Woods Drive off Lucretia Avenue with a fatal gunshot wound. A

Luis Ramos, Jose Gutierrez (San Jose Police)21-year-old man was beaten in the same attack but survived.

An investigation led police to arrest San Jose residents Adrian Alaniz, 24; Juan Carlos Castillo, 18; Erik Hernandez, 18; Thomas Leyva, 24; Eduardo Magana, 19; Juan Pineda, 20; Ramon Ramirez, 20; and a minor whose identity was not released because he is a juvenile.

Then on Oct. 8, police arrested San Jose residents Jose Gutierrez, 19, and 24-year-old Luis Ramos in connection with the June 12 killing of 17-year-old Leonel Garcia Farias on Owlsey Avenue, about a block away from site of the May homicide.

Officers Albert Morales, spokesman for San Jose police, did not release additional details about the investigations that led to the arrests, but reiterated that they were fueled by gang motivations. Thirteen of the city's homicides this year have been declared gang-related.

Morales credited tireless work by homicide investigators for solving the cases months after the deaths occurred, along with cooperation with other department divisions such as the Mobile Emergency Response Group and Equipment (MERGE) unit and the Covert Response Unit.

He also lauded residents for coming forward with increasing frequency to offer tips and help detectives identify suspects.

"People are actually coming forward, and helping solve some of these cases," Morales said. "They're getting tired of it too. They're tired of being held captive in their own neighborhoods. These are things we need for the public, and we're getting results."

Last year, a concerted police and community effort helped the city avoid any gang killings during the summer, which is a typical period for surges in violence. There was no repeat in 2012: Since Farias' death, the city has recorded 18 homicides, with at least half a dozen of them considered to have gang elements.

Included in that second-half homicide tally was a streak of eight killings in 13 days in mid-August, one of the bloodiest stretches in the city's history.

"This is the most violent that I've seen it," said Morales, a 15-year veteran. "Then you factor in the young age of the offenders, and victims. You wonder where this is stemming from, but there a lot of factors that go into why these crimes that are so violent are happening."

Morales theorized that it the numbers could be worse if not for advances in trauma medicine, crediting the work of medical staff at Regional Medical Center of San Jose and Valley Medical Center for increasing the rate people are surviving violent attacks in the city, an assessment shared by some of the city's gang-violence experts.

The rising crime rate in the city, particularly with burglaries and other "quality of life" crimes, has spurred constant sparring in City Hall amongst the City Council, police union, residents and the police department over the effects of budget cuts and pension reform efforts that have either led to layoffs or officers leaving for higher pay elsewhere

[MMRbkaRudog]

I wonder what happened with this 1 cat that got charged for wanting to go put in work with his homie, even tho his homie was the 1 who ended up killed. Lol & it was a south sider here in SJ

[wickedthoughtts]

if you go to the site...some of these look like surenos and some look like nortenos. i wonder if they're all getting charged with the same murder.

San Jose: 7 arrested in gang-related beating death of 14-year-old at Roosevelt Park
By Mark Gomez


mgomez@mercurynews.commercurynews.com

Posted: 10/19/2012 11:58:38 AM PDT
October 19, 2012 10:42 PM GMTUpdated: 10/19/2012 03:42:56 PM PDT

SAN JOSE -- Police have arrested four men and three juveniles of murder in connection with the gang-related beating death earlier this year of a 14-year-old San Jose boy at Roosevelt Park.

The most recent arrest occurred on Oct. 12, when the San Jose Police Department's Covert Response Unit arrested Angel Garcia Lamas, 20, of San Jose, in connection with the murder on April 27 of Heriberto Reyes, who was an eighth-grade student at Bernal Intermediate School in South San Jose.

The other arrests occurred on Sept. 26, Oct. 2 and Oct. 10, according to police.

Officers first arrested Javier Hernandez, 20, of San Jose, along with three juvenile suspects on Sept. 26, according to police. Officers then arrested James Conklin, 18, of San Jose, and Scott Conway, 19, on suspicion of murder.

Police did not release the ages of the three juvenile suspects.

On April 27 just before 7 p.m., police say a fight broke out at Roosevelt Park in downtown San Jose, a known gang hangout. Police say Heriberto was targeted and attacked by several suspects and died three days later from those injuries.

Heriberto previously attended Davis Intermediate School, which is in the Oak Grove School District.

Police have revealed few details about the crime.

The encounter involved several people in the park, located between Julian and Santa Clara streets, just west of Highway 101, police said previously. During an altercation,

Heriberto was beaten and then taken to the hospital with severe injuries. He was pronounced dead at 2:23 p.m. on April 30.

Police won't say what Heriberto was wearing at the time or why he could have been targeted. The park and the school he attends are located in different areas of town.

[MMRbkaRudog]

@wickedthoughts - A LINK WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE... I'M NOT SURE IF I SAW THE SAME EXACT ARTICLE, BUT PROBABLY & I DIDN'T NOTICE ANYTHING THAT WOULD IDENTIFY THE SUSPECTS OF THE MURDER AS 13'S OR N'S. THE PARK IS NORTENO TERRITORY N IT LOOKS LIKE THE VICTIM WENT THERE WEARING BLUE, SO HE GOT NOTICED. I FIND IT STRANGE THAT THE KID GOT DROPPED OFF THERE.

[wickedthoughtts]

they were all nortes. they all got charged with his death. apparently he went there to play ball looking like a surenos. said he had baggy shorts, white tees and a blue hat. police haven't said he wasnt a non banger. usually they'll say the victim was non affiliated if he wasn't. but they haven't said yes or no. probably don't wanna tread on his grave. roosevelt park always been red turf. even i know that and i'm not from san jose. still though...7 arrested. alot of people. but then again they should know they were going to get caught. daytime in the park? should have know better .lol

[youngspade]

Thats a lot of losses one murder 7 and only one guy got hurt? Only way is if enes or surenos snitchn its either or.

[MMRbkaRudog]

Thats a lot of losses one murder 7 and only one guy got hurt? Only way is if enes or surenos snitchn its either or.

COULD BE, BUT THERE WAS WITNESSES & WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE ALL GUILTY, SO MAYBE WE WILL SEE.