Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

American organized crime groups included traditional groups such as La Cosa Nostra & the Italian Mafia to modern groups such as Black Mafia Family. Discuss the most organized criminal groups in the United States including gangs in Canada.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Richboy17 » July 3rd, 2008, 9:15 pm

youngspade wrote:If anyone was even the slightest of connected in this thread you would know, Suge etc etc, was doing deals with the Russian Mafia......it eventually fell through because Suge got cocky and they thought they could fu-- with the Russians....."Hense" : GTA : SAN ANDREAS ( I forgot which one but the Grove OG got into some funk, with the Russians.....( SUGE ). The Mob Piru took a BIG BIG set back with countless murders on The Mob's side by the Russians. Their are even stories of a members of Mob Piru had Million Dollar Yachts that were blown up by Russian Associates. Also ringing bells back in the day was a Member of Mob Piru was tied to the TREE on "FIRE" with his dick "CHOPPED" off shot 10+ times.


But my main point, SUGE, was a Gangster with very high connections......, but he gained that power through the man with the MIC......"TUPAC".


Where the fuck did you hear this? I bet Suge dealt with the Russians cuz he dealt with everybody, but i highly doubt a mob piru was tied to a tree with his dick chopped off shot 10 times. It would be on the news, then.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Vincetheprince » July 3rd, 2008, 11:48 pm

Youngspade you are hallucinating
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby TeeKay » July 4th, 2008, 12:07 am

Azure9920 wrote:Real Gangsters

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Black/White doesn't play a factor in what determines if someone's "real".


Uhhhh putting Frank Lucas in there was a mistake considering he turned state witness like the other mafia types below and not to metion he's been discredited countless times about his claims and how he was gangster like in the film..
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Vincetheprince » July 4th, 2008, 12:28 am

Suge isn't real
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Azure9920 » July 4th, 2008, 8:58 am

youngspade wrote:If anyone was even the slightest of connected in this thread you would know, Suge etc etc, was doing deals with the Russian Mafia......it eventually fell through because Suge got cocky and they thought they could fu-- with the Russians....."Hense" : GTA : SAN ANDREAS ( I forgot which one but the Grove OG got into some funk, with the Russians.....( SUGE ). The Mob Piru took a BIG BIG set back with countless murders on The Mob's side by the Russians. Their are even stories of a members of Mob Piru had Million Dollar Yachts that were blown up by Russian Associates. Also ringing bells back in the day was a Member of Mob Piru was tied to the TREE on "FIRE" with his dick "CHOPPED" off shot 10+ times.


But my main point, SUGE, was a Gangster with very high connections......, but he gained that power through the man with the MIC......"TUPAC".


You're talking about Big Smoke with the Russians...in san andreas that is lol.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby razbojnik » July 4th, 2008, 9:27 am

Suge is fake. I bet any Russian, Italian and Chinese mobsters reading this would be laughing their asses off, but of course real gangsters wouldn't come to discuss shit on an internet forum but would rather spend their time making money or hanging out with other mobsters and friends in bars, resturaunts, nightclubs, cafe's and lounges.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby razbojnik » July 4th, 2008, 9:29 am

Azure9920 wrote:
youngspade wrote:If anyone was even the slightest of connected in this thread you would know, Suge etc etc, was doing deals with the Russian Mafia......it eventually fell through because Suge got cocky and they thought they could fu-- with the Russians....."Hense" : GTA : SAN ANDREAS ( I forgot which one but the Grove OG got into some funk, with the Russians.....( SUGE ). The Mob Piru took a BIG BIG set back with countless murders on The Mob's side by the Russians. Their are even stories of a members of Mob Piru had Million Dollar Yachts that were blown up by Russian Associates. Also ringing bells back in the day was a Member of Mob Piru was tied to the TREE on "FIRE" with his dick "CHOPPED" off shot 10+ times.


But my main point, SUGE, was a Gangster with very high connections......, but he gained that power through the man with the MIC......"TUPAC".


You're talking about Big Smoke with the Russians...in san andreas that is lol.


................

Well I bet Suge Knight would be proud to have a person like this with this type of knowledge defending him in an internet argument about a rap record company owner being a real gangster and organized crime boss. I guess it's the cigar that makes him so gangster, right?
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby youngspade » July 4th, 2008, 9:45 am

Richboy17 wrote:
youngspade wrote:If anyone was even the slightest of connected in this thread you would know, Suge etc etc, was doing deals with the Russian Mafia......it eventually fell through because Suge got cocky and they thought they could fu-- with the Russians....."Hense" : GTA : SAN ANDREAS ( I forgot which one but the Grove OG got into some funk, with the Russians.....( SUGE ). The Mob Piru took a BIG BIG set back with countless murders on The Mob's side by the Russians. Their are even stories of a members of Mob Piru had Million Dollar Yachts that were blown up by Russian Associates. Also ringing bells back in the day was a Member of Mob Piru was tied to the TREE on "FIRE" with his dick "CHOPPED" off shot 10+ times.


But my main point, SUGE, was a Gangster with very high connections......, but he gained that power through the man with the MIC......"TUPAC".


Where the fu-- did you hear this? I bet Suge dealt with the Russians because he dealt with everybody, but i highly doubt a mob piru was tied to a tree with his dick chopped off shot 10 times. It would be on the news, then.


Back in the Rampau Days? I doubt it lol!
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby razbojnik » July 4th, 2008, 10:08 am

youngspade wrote:
Richboy17 wrote:
youngspade wrote:If anyone was even the slightest of connected in this thread you would know, Suge etc etc, was doing deals with the Russian Mafia......it eventually fell through because Suge got cocky and they thought they could fu-- with the Russians....."Hense" : GTA : SAN ANDREAS ( I forgot which one but the Grove OG got into some funk, with the Russians.....( SUGE ). The Mob Piru took a BIG BIG set back with countless murders on The Mob's side by the Russians. Their are even stories of a members of Mob Piru had Million Dollar Yachts that were blown up by Russian Associates. Also ringing bells back in the day was a Member of Mob Piru was tied to the TREE on "FIRE" with his dick "CHOPPED" off shot 10+ times.


But my main point, SUGE, was a Gangster with very high connections......, but he gained that power through the man with the MIC......"TUPAC".


Where the fu-- did you hear this? I bet Suge dealt with the Russians because he dealt with everybody, but i highly doubt a mob piru was tied to a tree with his dick chopped off shot 10 times. It would be on the news, then.


Back in the Rampau Days? I doubt it lol!


Jeez...

Hey tell us about the sex and mating of the mosquito's in Cambodia.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Azure9920 » July 4th, 2008, 12:14 pm

TeeKay wrote:
Azure9920 wrote:Real Gangsters

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Fake Gangsters

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Black/White doesn't play a factor in what determines if someone's "real".


Uhhhh putting Frank Lucas in there was a mistake considering he turned state witness like the other mafia types below and not to metion he's been discredited countless times about his claims and how he was gangster like in the film..


That's not Frank Lucas, unless the picture was mislabeled. It's supposed to be Bumpy Johnson.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby youngspade » July 4th, 2008, 12:34 pm

Vincetheprince wrote:Youngspade you are hallucinating


People misunderstood me,
But my main point, SUGE, was a Gangster with very high connections.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Azure9920 » July 4th, 2008, 12:36 pm

razbojnik wrote:Suge is fake. I bet any Russian, Italian and Chinese mobsters reading this would be laughing their asses off, but of course real gangsters wouldn't come to discuss shit on an internet forum but would rather spend their time making money or hanging out with other mobsters and friends in bars, resturaunts, nightclubs, cafe's and lounges.


I know plenty of "gangsters" that use the internet.....
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby razbojnik » July 4th, 2008, 2:36 pm

Azure9920 wrote:
razbojnik wrote:Suge is fake. I bet any Russian, Italian and Chinese mobsters reading this would be laughing their asses off, but of course real gangsters wouldn't come to discuss shit on an internet forum but would rather spend their time making money or hanging out with other mobsters and friends in bars, resturaunts, nightclubs, cafe's and lounges.


I know plenty of "gangsters" that use the internet.....


I know 'gangsters' using the internet too. But they use it to chat on MSN messenger not to look at Streetgangs.com's forums lol...
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Azure9920 » July 4th, 2008, 2:56 pm

razbojnik wrote:
Azure9920 wrote:
razbojnik wrote:Suge is fake. I bet any Russian, Italian and Chinese mobsters reading this would be laughing their asses off, but of course real gangsters wouldn't come to discuss shit on an internet forum but would rather spend their time making money or hanging out with other mobsters and friends in bars, resturaunts, nightclubs, cafe's and lounges.


I know plenty of "gangsters" that use the internet.....


I know 'gangsters' using the internet too. But they use it to chat on MSN messenger not to look at Streetgangs.com's forums lol...


Not necessarily, what do you define as "gangster" though?
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby thewestside » July 4th, 2008, 5:34 pm

Azure9920 wrote: That's not Frank Lucas, unless the picture was mislabeled. It's supposed to be Bumpy Johnson.


This actually is Frank Lucas

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This is Bumpy Johnson

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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Vincetheprince » July 5th, 2008, 12:45 am

Razbojnik how many "real gangsters/Mobsters do you know personally?
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby razbojnik » July 5th, 2008, 4:35 am

Vincetheprince wrote:Razbojnik how many "real gangsters/Mobsters do you know personally?


Personally? None or a few, depends on what you consider a mobster or gangster. Through friends, family and the like? Alot.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby razbojnik » July 5th, 2008, 4:36 am

Azure9920 wrote:
razbojnik wrote:
Azure9920 wrote:
I know plenty of "gangsters" that use the internet.....


I know 'gangsters' using the internet too. But they use it to chat on MSN messenger not to look at Streetgangs.com's forums lol...


Not necessarily, what do you define as "gangster" though?


An individual involved in organized crime that belongs to a group of individuals involved in organized crime.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Richboy17 » July 5th, 2008, 9:49 am

Not necessarily, what do you define as "gangster" though?[/quote]

An individual involved in organized crime that belongs to a group of individuals involved in organized crime.[/quote]\

Can be anybody who commits crimes from a street hood to a mobster.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby razbojnik » July 5th, 2008, 10:43 am

Richboy17 wrote:
Can be anybody who commits crimes from a street hood to a mobster.


Anybody who commits crimes is called a criminal. There's a difference. Gangster was originally a term to describe Italian-American mobsters in the 1920s till now. As you may know, Italian American mobsters were involved in organized crime. There's a difference between a person involved in organized crime and a person involved in street crime, or gang activities. The fact that the Crips or Bloods are called 'street gangs' does not mean that the word 'gangster' applies to them, but instead the word 'gang member' is more appropriate, even so being a formal term. The more informal term people have come up with is 'gangsta'. I find this to be a cheap rip off of the word 'gangster' and when a person says 'I'm gangsta, yo.' I do not take them serious even if they have a gun or belong to a gang. Street gangs are commonly associated with the hip hop subculture, such as in most street gangs, major and minor ones, we see people with hip hop clothing, ranging from oversized t-shirts to du-rags and bandanas as well as 'bling bling' and oversized baggy pants that are left hanging down to expose a gang member's unwanted sight of his underwear or ass crack, even though they wear belts to go along with it. But not just the clothing, the slang is the same. Street slang and hip hop slang as well. Members of street gangs generally listen to the hip hop music genre. They generally live in the ghetto/housing projects and have begun to expand into suburban and rural settings. They usually eat out at fast food resturaunts such as McDonalds and the like.

As for gangsters from organized crime, depending on the group, they usually live in either middle class or upper class neighbourhoods and make five or six figure annual salaries, and drive expensive cars. This is also defined by the group. For example, during the 1960's, Italian American mobsters perferred to drive Cadillacs. Russian mobsters, currently, for example, as well as other Eastern European and Balkan organized crime figures, perfer to drive luxury vehicle brands such as Mercedes, BMW and Audi, as I see with Slave Angel Ivanovski and Ljube Mandzuko, the owners of Hotel Oaza in Stip, Macedonia and many other locales around the Balkans and elsewhere, they have Mercedes and BMW cars, including one which I love and admire, the Mercedes CLS350. I love this car. They usually dress in formal clothing such as business attire like suits and tuxedos, but the informal clothing usually involves anything from sweat suits to leather jackets and jean pants to dress shirts and regular casual clothing. The also usually wear expensive jewelry such as gold rings and watches, and perfer brands such as Rolex for watches, for example. They listen to all types of music, depending on where the person is from. They eat out everywhere, depending on the mobster's income, from fast food resturaunts to classy fine resturaunts.

Of course, these are just stereotypes. Anyone who commits crimes is a criminal. Anyone who commits sexual crimes is a sexual offender. Anyone who commits organized crime is considered a gangster, but this being that he commits more than one type of organized crime and belongs to a group involved with organized crime, this is where the term 'Mafia' comes in, as they base the organized criminals' group on their background, so if they are Russian, they call it the Russian mafia, Italian --- Italian mafia. Anyone who is a member of a gang is called a gang member. This does not make him a gangster. Gangster and mobster are both more formal and informal terms. Gangsta is not formal, more informal, and is thus slang.

Alas, once again, these are stereotypes per se. Look it up in the dictionary and the general term will tell you the correct meaning as there are more than one meanings to a word sometimes.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Azure9920 » July 5th, 2008, 12:48 pm

Any crip/blood member is defined as a "gangster". A gangster is a criminal who is, or at some point almost invariably becomes, a member of a persistent violent crime organization, such as a gang. Members of organized crime are just gangsters who are members of organized crime, as opposed to gangsters who are members of street gangs.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Richboy17 » July 5th, 2008, 1:18 pm

Azure9920 wrote:Any crip/blood member is defined as a "gangster". A gangster is a criminal who is, or at some point almost invariably becomes, a member of a persistent violent crime organization, such as a gang. Members of organized crime are just gangsters who are members of organized crime, as opposed to gangsters who are members of street gangs.



Depends what kind of street gang. If you a 16 year old kid gangbanging and smokin weed he aint a gangster, he's a hood. Members in real street gangs could be considered gangsters or gangbangers.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Azure9920 » July 5th, 2008, 1:25 pm

thewestside wrote:
Azure9920 wrote: That's not Frank Lucas, unless the picture was mislabeled. It's supposed to be Bumpy Johnson.


This actually is Frank Lucas

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This is Bumpy Johnson

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I blame google.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Vincetheprince » July 6th, 2008, 1:50 am

LOL you blame google. HAHAHA HAHAHA lol, Al Capone was the real deal
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby youngspade » July 6th, 2008, 10:39 am

Richboy17 wrote:
Azure9920 wrote:Any crip/blood member is defined as a "gangster". A gangster is a criminal who is, or at some point almost invariably becomes, a member of a persistent violent crime organization, such as a gang. Members of organized crime are just gangsters who are members of organized crime, as opposed to gangsters who are members of street gangs.



Depends what kind of street gang. If you a 16 year old kid gangbanging and smokin weed he aint a gangster, he's a hood. Members in real street gangs could be considered gangsters or gangbangers.



Your an idiot to EVEN THINK, Street Gangs in LA deals White Collar crimes......Its a different fucking era whateva the italian did was just at the right place at the right time. The Gangsta terminology could be used in many ways.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Vincetheprince » July 7th, 2008, 5:14 am

I agree, many ways
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby razbojnik » July 7th, 2008, 7:19 am

It's amusing to watch 'gangsta's' from the 'hood' or 'projekkkts' call themselves REAL GANGSTERS... :lol:

It really is. I'm not offended. Keep going at it. Slave Angel Ivanovski and his crew is laughing at you right now. Whatever makes you happy... :D
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Vincetheprince » July 7th, 2008, 7:32 am

HAHAHA lol
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby razbojnik » July 7th, 2008, 7:45 am

Vincetheprince wrote:HAHAHA lol


Holy crap you are here like a week and you have 400+ posts already. Good job. :D With all the accounts I have several thousand posts but who cares... Enjoy!
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Vincetheprince » July 7th, 2008, 7:51 am

I've been registered for 15 days, the reasons I'm in Saudi Arabia and thier isn't much to do except on the weekends, and I want VIP access, and I like to put in my 2 cents, but so many people on this site are idiotic that most of my posts are of me laughing, and I want to be the person with the most posts, and be a moderator, and I like to hear peoples opinions, and thanks
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Word » July 7th, 2008, 8:10 am

I agree with' razbojnik's last post on pg 2, about the differences between a gangster and "gangsta"..


Vincetheprince wrote:I've been registered for 15 days, the reasons I'm in Saudi Arabia and thier isn't much to do except on the weekends, and I want VIP access, and I like to put in my 2 cents, but so many people on this site are idiotic that most of my posts are of me laughing, and I want to be the person with the most posts, and be a moderator, and I like to hear peoples opinions, and thanks

You're spamming the damn forum with nonsense, is what you're doing. You have nothing to contribute at all, for the most part. You're just bumping threads (and older ones, too) with a few-word replies.
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Re: Suge Knight and Sonny Franzese

Postby Vincetheprince » July 7th, 2008, 8:19 am

what are you talking about real all my posts and then say that, I write in what i believe, I ask MANY question's because I'm curious and when I know something I post it, if I see something funny I laugh, if I see something I agree with i let it be known, and I'm trying not to swear at you and be respectful as possible, and as for you copying and pasting what I said is funny and shows you have nothing better to do than piss someone off, Razbojnik made a statement and I responded as i thought I should so you can have an opinion on me IDC, but don't be a jerk at leat be respectful, you don't know me and I don't know you, so why would you be rude in the first place what have I said rudely to you, and if I have Im sorry, but you aren't that wise if you think all i put in is nonsense because like i said I put what i believe, and as for responding to old threads I do it because I believe they're interesting and I want to get them going again, so if you have nothing nice to say then please don't say anything at all
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