Rizzuto's

[Azure9920]

who are these hundreds of members in the GTA?

Even you can't be so idiotic to expect me to know their names.

[thewestside]

shut up you coke head lol. i don't know how many members the rizzutos have. but they are mentioned as just a crew of the bannanos by many reports even though the rizzutos are bigger than the entire family. i would think 30 members and many more associates. how many do they have?

They were many years ago. Former Bonanno underboss Sal Vitale testified that 19 people in the Rizzuto organization were made members of the Bonanno family. But that certainly wasn't the bulk of their manpower. The Rizzutos began to break away from the Bonannos in New York sometime between 1998 and 2001, finally doing so after Bonanno boss Joe Massino had Rizzuto members Gerlando Sciascia killed. The Rizzutos are a bit of an anomaly because they are sort of a hybrid between a Siclian Mafia clan and an American LCN family. Read The Sixth Family by Lee Lamothe and Adrian Humphreys.

lol. where is this gang active besides canada and have there been any recent arrests and how are the leading figures in the clan now a days?

Read Bloodlines by Antonio Nicaso and Lee Lamothe. And the Caruana-Cuntrera clan is hardly a "gang."

[thewestside]

Here is how author Lee Lamothe described the Rizzuto organization a few years ago -


"Explaining the makeup and structure of the Rizzuto organization is even more complicated. There's no pyramid of boss, underboss, captains, soldiers. The simplest way to figure it out is to draw circle the size of a dime on a piece of paper. That's the core of the Rizzutos -- essentially think of it as a cult of families all related by blood and marriage. Within the hard core centre are the Rizzutos, the Mannos, more recently the Ragusas, the Rendas, etc.Now make other circles, smaller, orbiting the main circle. These are other Sicilian or Calabrese clans or groups. Among the little orbiting circles are some triangles: these are the pyramids, more traditional groups that follow the American pyramid style. Scattered well away from the main group and the more closely associated smallest circles and triangles are various groups: bikers, Natives, Chinese, lawyers and accountants and stock brokers. These stretch across the country.

Leadership -- although there is no actual "leader" -- flows within the core of the Rizzutos to whoever accumulates it naturally. There are no elections or campaigns to battle for the position of "boss". Right now the "leadership" -- think of it a guidance or stewardship of the core clans -- is with the Rizzutos; the guiding mind is Nick Rizzuto, the operating hand is Vito Rizzuto. (Remember the original family in Sicily was called the Manno Family.) The guiding hand is responsible for the well-being of everyone in the clan from the moment of their birth until their death. Everyone in the centre clan/cult gets benefits of the entire group; everyone gets a chance to earn, an opportunity to show their abilities and strengths. The main tactic of the entire clan/cult is to protect the centre: the strong stewardship.

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Perhaps in my writing I haven't been clear: there is a Rizzuto Crime Family -- a criminal organization -- and there is a Mafia of Cattolica Eraclea -- a cult-like criminal band of clans. (In spite of the recent complaints by the ambassador from Italy, it is indeed a Sicilian Mafia, not a "Canadian " mafia; no matter where they live they have only allegiance to their casa madre in Sicily; they're only here because they have to facilitate drug trafficking in to the US and Canada is convenient and they're afraid to go to the US. They have no allegiance to Canada, they have no Canadian values, they have no goal in life except to further the profits and power of their mafia; unfortunately they're protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights that protects legitimate and honest immigrants.) The Rizzuto Crime Family (RCF) is part of the Mafia of Cattolica -- but is by no means the only branch of the "mother" cell: right now it is the Rizzutos' turn to be in position of leadership. It used to be Manno; when I was in Cattolica I was told Gerlando Sciascia could have been the steward/shepherd of the clan in the 1980s but he was killed by Massino's bunch.

I don't think the Cattolica Mafia in Canada has a system of bosses, underbosses, capos, soldiers. The Rizzuto Mafia -Family - at least on the outer edges might: there are other family cells, there are other "trianglular, pyramidical" groups revolving around the core of the Cattolica clans. Some of these marry into the Rizzuto/Cattolica "core" and become part of it. But until they do, they're satellites. The hard "core" is a group of families, all intermarried, all with the goal of strengthening the power and prosperity of all the clans."

[Dobre]

who are these hundreds of members in the GTA?

Even you can't be so idiotic to expect me to know their names.

He can. Asking stupid questions and providing dumb statements is a habit of his.

As you said, irrelevent as him as a Mensa meeting.

You've noticed he always refers to his entire people, always speaks from a 3rd person perspective, always. No ability that he boasts about his people he possesses himself.

[thewestside]

It's also funny how Johnny, otherwise known as Shit-For-Brains, believes the Rudaj group was a "sixth family" in New York but calls the Caruana-Cuntrera clan a "gang."

[CheGuevara]

Even you can't be so idiotic to expect me to know their names.

then shut the fvck up about it then. name ten.

secondly; you didn't tell us how many members the rizzutos have.

It's also funny how Johnny, otherwise known as Shit-For-Brains, believes the Rudaj group was a "sixth family" in New York but calls the Caruana-Cuntrera clan a "gang."

pencil dick. what would you like me to call them? the caruana-ceuentra is a masssssssive unbelievable crime MACHINE! you cannot be seriously this in love with italian criminals.

thegayside is in love so deeply with italian criminals that he gets offended that i called the cunrana-cuetnra a gang. oh this is priceless! this is clear evidence that this man is still a virgin.

[Dobre]

Even you can't be so idiotic to expect me to know their names.

then shut the fvck up about it then. name ten.

secondly; you didn't tell us how many members the rizzutos have.

It's also funny how Johnny, otherwise known as Shit-For-Brains, believes the Rudaj group was a "sixth family" in New York but calls the Caruana-Cuntrera clan a "gang."

pencil dick. what would you like me to call them? the caruana-ceuentra is a masssssssive unbelievable crime MACHINE! you cannot be seriously this in love with italian criminals.

thegayside is in love so deeply with italian criminals that he gets offended that i called the cunrana-cuetnra a gang. oh this is priceless! this is clear evidence that this man is still a virgin.

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Shut the fuck up pussy.

On Azure, lol he's never going to answer that question.

[thewestside]

pencil dick. what would you like me to call them? the caruana-ceuentra is a masssssssive unbelievable crime MACHINE! you cannot be seriously this in love with italian criminals.

thegayside is in love so deeply with italian criminals that he gets offended that i called the cunrana-cuetnra a gang. oh this is priceless! this is clear evidence that this man is still a virgin.

Cry all you want little girl. People here know that I'm a serious poster who isn't "in love" with any criminal group. Rather, it's YOU who has been pegged by virtually everybody on this board, as well as others, as the biggest Albanian OC fanboy in the world.

And for the record, I wasn't "offended" that you called the Caruana-Cuntrera clan a "gang." I simply find it very telling that you call one of the most powerful Mafia clans in the world over the past half century a "gang" but at the same time try and pass off a small group of Albanians led by two Gambino rejects in New York as a "sixth family." Just another example of how skewed your views are on organized crime.

[CheGuevara]

Cry all you want little girl. People here know that I'm a serious poster who isn't "in love" with any criminal group. Rather, it's YOU who has been pegged by virtually everybody on this board, as well as others, as the biggest Albanian OC fanboy in the world.

And for the record, I wasn't "offended" that you called the Caruana-Cuntrera clan a "gang." I simply find it very telling that you call one of the most powerful Mafia clans in the world over the past half century a "gang" but at the same time try and pass off a small group of Albanians led by two Gambino rejects in New York as a "sixth family." Just another example of how skewed your views are on organized crime.

it's funny how to call the c-c (who is far from one of biggest today) one of the most powerful clans in the world.

and call the rudaj organization a small group of albanians led by two gambino rejects. those two rejects went on and were prepared to take on the entire family. what do you think about that? they virtually shut down all astoria operations owned by the mob there and what happened? nothing. so suck this albanian dick. bitch.

[Dobre]

Cry all you want little girl. People here know that I'm a serious poster who isn't "in love" with any criminal group. Rather, it's YOU who has been pegged by virtually everybody on this board, as well as others, as the biggest Albanian OC fanboy in the world.

And for the record, I wasn't "offended" that you called the Caruana-Cuntrera clan a "gang." I simply find it very telling that you call one of the most powerful Mafia clans in the world over the past half century a "gang" but at the same time try and pass off a small group of Albanians led by two Gambino rejects in New York as a "sixth family." Just another example of how skewed your views are on organized crime.

it's funny how to call the c-c (who is far from one of biggest today) one of the most powerful clans in the world.

and call the rudaj organization a small group of albanians led by two gambino rejects. those two rejects went on and were prepared to take on the entire family. what do you think about that? they virtually shut down all astoria operations owned by the mob there and what happened? nothing. so suck this albanian dick. bitch.

Prepared to take on the entire family? I could gather a bunch of black people and say I'm prepared to take on the US military, but it still doesn't change the fact I would get my ass kicked

[Azure9920]

Ralph Criminisi
Michael “Mike” DePaolo
Daniel “Danny” Gasbarinni
Vincent “Vinny” Lombardo
Antonio "Tony" Luppino
John Luppino
Natale Luppino
Rocco Luppino
Bruno Monaco
Rocco Papalia

There's 10.

it's funny how to call the c-c (who is far from one of biggest today) one of the most powerful clans in the world.

lol.

they virtually shut down all astoria operations owned by the mob there and what happened?

lol.

[thewestside]

it's funny how to call the c-c (who is far from one of biggest today) one of the most powerful clans in the world.

By all accounts it has been over the past half century. You are the only one who disputes that, despite the fact you have been wrong about their activity level in Canada over the years. Maybe because you were too busy dreaming of how there was nothing the Italians had the Albanians "couldn't reach."

and call the rudaj organization a small group of albanians led by two gambino rejects. those two rejects went on and were prepared to take on the entire family. what do you think about that? they virtually shut down all astoria operations owned by the mob there and what happened? nothing. so suck this albanian dick. bitch.

You know what I think about that. They weren't prepared to "take on" the entire family. But I really don't want to get into this dead horse discussion with you again.

Bottom line, the fact that you call the Caruana-Cuntrera clan a "gang" while you all the Rudaj group a "sixth family" says it all.

[GoombahJoey]

Not to get into an Albanian vs. Whomever debate, but I'd like to point out of few things about the rudaj beef with 2 of the NY crews. The Albos were extremely tough and did muscle the Luccheses out of one of their gambling operations in Queens. They were also willing to stand in the street and have it out with the Gambinos. While the Albos were considered fearless it didn't matter in the end, because they got busted and it killed their momentum. With their momentum dead, the chop shop, the gambling house, the Gambino family table, all went back to the original "owners". Now they're not totally out of operation, but biting the hand that had fed them for years has left them doing little more than selling bootleg DVDs of "Happy Feet" and a stickup here or there.

[thewestside]

Like I've said over and over again, Johnny's reputation is well known on various internet forums. It has come from him trolling them spewing his Albanians rule the world BS for so long. It's why he's been banned from at least three boards, had at least three different names on this one, and finally had to start pretending to be an Italian on the AmericanMafia board so nobody would know who he is. But of course he'll downplay all this or deny it, as if anyone believes his sorry Albanian ass anymore.

[CheGuevara]

By all accounts it has been over the past half century. You are the only one who disputes that, despite the fact you have been wrong about their activity level in Canada over the years. Maybe because you were too busy dreaming of how there was nothing the Italians had the Albanians "couldn't reach."

lol you're such a pathetic excuse for a person. when i wrote that. i said, judging by the summary on one report. i don't see the italians doing anything the albanians can't reach.

the c-c is far from one of the most powerful in the world you jerkoff. you know this as well as i do.

You know what I think about that. They weren't prepared to "take on" the entire family. But I really don't want to get into this dead horse discussion with you again.

Bottom line, the fact that you call the Caruana-Cuntrera clan a "gang" while you all the Rudaj group a "sixth family" says it all.

yes, the rudajs weren't prepared to take on the entire family. they just held up the acting boss as a joke.

whats the difference between a gang and clan in organized crime terms?

[Dobre]

Like I've said over and over again, Johnny's reputation is well known on various internet forums. It has come from him trolling them spewing his Albanians rule the world BS for so long. It's why he's been banned from at least three boards, had at least three different names on this one, and finally had to start pretending to be an Italian on the AmericanMafia board so nobody would know who he is. But of course he'll downplay all this or deny it, as if anyone believes his sorry Albanian ass anymore.

Ever since I posted that picture, just watch, he hasn't said a word to me. That picture is the key to why he should shut his mouth right now, but he doesn't. He only shut up when I come around, he replies to you people, never to me, but he reads it, maybe he has me on ignore, he knows I buried him with that picture.

An Orthodox Christian Macedonian(immortal enemy of the Sunni Muslim Albanians) discussing the fate of a Catholic Albanian(Johnny) with other Catholic Albanians(the people on that forum).

According to him it's not about religion when it comes to Albanians, it's about being unified as Albanians overall.

Of course, that was pretty much proved by how much your own people within your own reach give a shit about you.

I feel bad for your father Johnny, he must slam his head off the wall everyday to know how much of a mistake you turned out to be.

[thewestside]

Not to get into an Albanian vs. Whomever debate, but I'd like to point out of few things about the rudaj beef with 2 of the NY crews. The Albos were extremely tough and did muscle the Luccheses out of one of their gambling operations in Queens. They were also willing to stand in the street and have it out with the Gambinos. While the Albos were considered fearless it didn't matter in the end, because they got busted and it killed their momentum. With their momentum dead, the chop shop, the gambling house, the Gambino family table, all went back to the original "owners". Now they're not totally out of operation, but biting the hand that had fed them for years has left them doing little more than selling bootleg DVDs of "Happy Feet" and a stickup here or there.

With Johnny (CheGuevara) it's ALWAYS an Albanian vs. Whomever debate. And just for the record, the Rudaj guys took over two Greek clubs that were paying tribute to the Lucchese and Gambino families. They never touched mob clubs themselves, though there were plenty of them. Every wonder why that was?

lol you're such a pathetic excuse for a person. when i wrote that. i said, judging by the summary on one report. i don't see the italians doing anything the albanians can't reach.

There is nothing in any report, article, etc. on organized crime in Canada that even hints at the Albanians being at the level of the Italians. This is simply a case of you once again making shit up based on wishful thinking.

the c-c is far from one of the most powerful in the world you jerkoff. you know this as well as i do.

You need to work on your reading comprehension little Albanian boy. I said the Caruana-Cuntrera clan has been one of the most powerful Mafia clans of the last 50 years.

yes, the rudajs weren't prepared to take on the entire family. they just held up the acting boss as a joke.

If that were the case they would have gone after any number of Gambino clubs directly instead of taking over a Greek club that was paying the Gambinos. But they didn't.

whats the difference between a gang and clan in organized crime terms?

The difference is not really the point. Rather, the point is that you choose to use the word "gang" when referring to the Caruana-Cuntrera clan while believing the Rudaj organization was a "sixth family."

[CheGuevara]

With Johnny (CheGuevara) it's ALWAYS an Albanian vs. Whomever debate. And just for the record, the Rudaj guys took over two Greek clubs that were paying tribute to the Lucchese and Gambino families. They never touched mob clubs themselves, though there were plenty of them. Every wonder why that was?

lol talk about irony! this guy claims they never touched mob clubs themselves as if they were scared because of what some poster told him on another forum. talk about reading into things the way you want to.

the albanians took over all lucchese operations in astoria and bitch slapped two members of the family. not associates, members. as for wondering why that is. rudaj's men held up the gambino BOSS at gun point and told his fat italian ass to get the fuck out of here.

There is nothing in any report, article, etc. on organized crime in Canada that even hints at the Albanians being at the level of the Italians. This is simply a case of you once again making shit up based on wishful thinking.

the report azure brought it just went on about how italians are organized in a structure and all that blah blah. while for the albanian section. they didn't say anything but what they did straight up. they said they were involved in this and this and this and stemming out to this. if i were to look at that report alone and isolate it from any other information. i have the right to think the italians and albanian criminals are on the same level in canada. which is why i made my statement. because i was responding to that report. but you take my statement and bring it up now and try to alter it to make people think i used it in another circumstance. it's a brilliant move. especially on this forum because many people are too ignorant to see what you're doing. bravo virgin boy, bravo.

You need to work on your reading comprehension little Albanian boy. I said the Caruana-Cuntrera clan has been one of the most powerful Mafia clans of the last 50 years.

make sure you're clear then virgin boy.

If that were the case they would have gone after any number of Gambino clubs directly instead of taking over a Greek club that was paying the Gambinos. But they didn't.

they had their sights set on astoria and what happened? they took over all lucchese operations down there and a gambino club as well. if they didn't get busted by the feds. no telling how far rudaj would have went. he was probably going to start shaking down the gambino family. it wouldn't come a surprise to me. he pretty much clowned the boss of the family. it's not a big step to tax him as well after that.

The difference is not really the point. Rather, the point is that you choose to use the word "gang" when referring to the Caruana-Cuntrera clan while believing the Rudaj organization was a "sixth family."

the rudaj gang can be called the sixth family just like the nj family is called the sixth family you clown. now i ask you again. what is the difference between clan and gang in organized crime terms?

[thewestside]

lol talk about irony! this guy claims they never touched mob clubs themselves as if they were scared because of what some poster told him on another forum. talk about reading into things the way you want to.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm not getting this from another poster. I'm getting this from the known facts. The Rudaj guys were based out of the Bronx. There are plenty of mob clubs in that area but they went all the way to Queens to go after some Greek clubs. That should tell you something.

the albanians took over all lucchese operations in astoria and bitch slapped two members of the family. not associates, members. as for wondering why that is. rudaj's men held up the gambino BOSS at gun point and told his fat italian ass to get the fu-- out of here.

Wrong. The only club of record that was specifically designated as a Lucchese joint was a Greek club called Stamatis, which was paying tribute to the Luchesses. Furthermore, in the press released and indictments, it was Greek operators of this club, as well as the Gambinos' Soccer Fever club, that were assaulted. There has never been a single made member of record who was assaulted by the Rudaj guys. Despite all the claims, funny how not one made guy has ever been mentioned specifically in any article, report, etc. Wonder why that is?

the report azure brought it just went on about how italians are organized in a structure and all that blah blah. while for the albanian section. they didn't say anything but what they did straight up. they said they were involved in this and this and this and stemming out to this. if i were to look at that report alone and isolate it from any other information. i have the right to think the italians and albanian criminals are on the same level in canada. which is why i made my statement. because i was responding to that report. but you take my statement and bring it up now and try to alter it to make people think i used it in another circumstance. it's a brilliant move. especially on this forum because many people are too ignorant to see what you're doing. bravo virgin boy, bravo.

That's your problem right there pal. You read only reports about Albanians alone. Which gives you absolutely no reference to their position with respect to other groups. Which in turn leads you to making stupid statements like there is no level the Italians are at that the Albanians can't reach. And then somebody has to come along and correct you before you say, "Oh gee, I guess I was wrong. Sorry for talking out of my ass.....AGAIN."

make sure you're clear then virgin boy.

I was clear asshole. That's exactly what I said. It's not my fault you can't read you stupid prick. Furthermore, you're the one who says shit that you later have to backpeddle on and say you meant something else. How many times has that happened?

they had their sights set on astoria and what happened? they took over all lucchese operations down there and a gambino club as well. if they didn't get busted by the feds. no telling how far rudaj would have went. he was probably going to start shaking down the gambino family. it wouldn't come a surprise to me. he pretty much clowned the boss of the family. it's not a big step to tax him as well after that.

LOL! Shaking down the Gambino family. Riiiiiiight. Even a dumbass like you doesn't believe that. OK jerkoff, give me a list with sources of all the clubs that were specifically designated as Lucchese clubs. You can't. There is just Stamatis. In any event, this is all old news. The Rudaj group is no more. But it's all you have isn't it? Which is why you keep going back and back to it. Do you realize how pathetic that is? For all your talk about Albanians, the Rudaj guys are the only thing you have.

the rudaj gang can be called the sixth family just like the nj family is called the sixth family you clown. now i ask you again. what is the difference between clan and gang in organized crime terms?

The DeCavalcante family has been active in New Jersey for over 75 years. But nobody would try and compare it to the five New York families. Hell, the Genovese family's New Jersey faction is bigger than the entire DeCavalcante family. But here you are claiming a relatively small group of Albanians that didn't last more than a decade amounted to a sixth family. What nonsense. They may have wanted to be a sixth family. But they never got close.

A clan, in Mafia vernacular, is a group of two or more blood families who come together through blood and marriage. The Carauana and Cuntreras are the main ones in the clan but there are others as well, like the Vellas. The Caruana-Cuntreras are beholden to the Siciliuna cosca in Sicily. Over the past half century, they have been a key part of the international drug trade stretching from Europe to North America to South America to Asia for both the Sicilian Mafia and Calabrian 'Ndrangheta. To call them a "gang" is a misnomer to say the least. The Rudaj organization - now that was a gang.

[CheGuevara]

What the hell are you talking about? I'm not getting this from another poster. I'm getting this from the known facts. The Rudaj guys were based out of the Bronx. There are plenty of mob clubs in that area but they went all the way to Queens to go after some Greek clubs. That should tell you something.

that should tell me they have common sense. why go after clubs owned by gangsters when you can take clubs owned by greeks? a club is a club. even if it wasen't the bit scared of an la cosa nostra member, i would still go after the greek first just because i know there is nothing he could do.

Wrong. The only club of record that was specifically designated as a Lucchese joint was a Greek club called Stamatis, which was paying tribute to the Luchesses. Furthermore, in the press released and indictments, it was Greek operators of this club, as well as the Gambinos' Soccer Fever club, that were assaulted. There has never been a single made member of record who was assaulted by the Rudaj guys. Despite all the claims, funny how not one made guy has ever been mentioned specifically in any article, report, etc. Wonder why that is?

the made members were listed in the indictment as member 1 and member 2. read it again you idiot. and you're wrong again. in the indictment, it said rudaj in the summer of 2004, took over lucchese operations in astoria. the fbi stated made members were beaten up on their website. is that not an article. oh how he contradicts himself!

That's your problem right there pal. You read only reports about Albanians alone. Which gives you absolutely no reference to their position with respect to other groups. Which in turn leads you to making stupid statements like there is no level the Italians are at that the Albanians can't reach. And then somebody has to come along and correct you before you say, "Oh gee, I guess I was wrong. Sorry for talking out of my ass.....AGAIN."

lol, clown boy. i already explained the canada situation. if you wish to bring it up again and again on two different posts at one time, go ahead. i realize you have mental and social problems anyway. i'll let you have this one.

I was clear ahole. That's exactly what I said. It's not my fault you can't read you stupid prick. Furthermore, you're the one who says shit that you later have to backpeddle on and say you meant something else. How many times has that happened?

in your head? many, many times. in a normal, unbiased view, almost never.

LOL! Shaking down the Gambino family. Riiiiiiight. Even a dumbass like you doesn't believe that. OK jerkoff, give me a list with sources of all the clubs that were specifically designated as Lucchese clubs. You can't. There is just Stamatis. In any event, this is all old news. The Rudaj group is no more. But it's all you have isn't it? Which is why you keep going back and back to it. Do you realize how pathetic that is? For all your talk about Albanians, the Rudaj guys are the only thing you have.

i would not be surprised if they started to shake down the gambinos. they held their boss up at gun point. as for the lucchese clubs, you have the list on a number of reports about alex rudaj. i don't even understand your bottom half of this paragraph. you're a social outcast. and not the good kind, i mean a loser lol.

The DeCavalcante family has been active in New Jersey for over 75 years. But nobody would try and compare it to the five New York families. Hell, the Genovese family's New Jersey faction is bigger than the entire DeCavalcante family. But here you are claiming a relatively small group of Albanians that didn't last more than a decade amounted to a sixth family. What nonsense. They may have wanted to be a sixth family. But they never got close.

you know this because you know the exact number of people in rudaj's group right? you're such an idiot. the rudaj group had the right to be called the sixth family. rudaj dealt only with bosses of the five families. he sent collotti to talk the highest members of the families numerous times. he held arnold up at gun point. he had every right to be called that.

A clan, in Mafia vernacular, is a group of two or more blood families who come together through blood and marriage. The Carauana and Cuntreras are the main ones in the clan but there are others as well, like the Vellas. The Caruana-Cuntreras are beholden to the Siciliuna cosca in Sicily. Over the past half century, they have been a key part of the international drug trade stretching from Europe to North America to South America to Asia for both the Sicilian Mafia and Calabrian 'Ndrangheta. To call them a "gang" is a misnomer to say the least. The Rudaj organization - now that was a gang.

lol, your offense to me calling them a gang shows a sickness and unhealthy, physco obsession you have for italian criminals. congratulations, you've become a success in life! take a look around you. you're apartment, you're little computer. this is it for you buddy

[thewestside]

that should tell me they have common sense.

Exactly. They knew there was a certain point they could go to but any further would be crossing a line.

the made members were listed in the indictment as member 1 and member 2. read it again you idiot. and you're wrong again. in the indictment, it said rudaj in the summer of 2004, took over lucchese operations in astoria. the fbi stated made members were beaten up on their website. is that not an article. oh how he contradicts himself!

You claims are not supported by the indictment or press releases of the conviction and sentencing of Rudaj members.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/nys/pressrele ... dictpr.pdf
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/nys/pressrele ... tionpr.pdf
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/nys/pressrele ... cingpr.pdf

And yes, the article on the FBI's website (which I provided to you) does say made men were beaten up. But it also says the group is no more, which you don't believe. I can be forgiven for being skeptical when not a single made member of record has ever been cited anywhere.

i would not be surprised if they started to shake down the gambinos. they held their boss up at gun point. as for the lucchese clubs, you have the list on a number of reports about alex rudaj. i don't even understand your bottom half of this paragraph. you're a social outcast. and not the good kind, i mean a loser lol.

The only club of record that had ties to the Luccheses was Stamatis. The only club of record that had ties to the Gambinos was Soccer Fever. Those other clubs have never been tied to any Mafia family. And you know damn well the Rudaj gang would never be capable of shaking down a Mafia family in New York. Once again, that's why they went after Greek clubs. But you just keep blowing everything up about Rudaj and his band of merry men to mythical proportions.

you know this because you know the exact number of people in rudaj's group right? you're such an idiot. the rudaj group had the right to be called the sixth family. rudaj dealt only with bosses of the five families. he sent collotti to talk the highest members of the families numerous times. he held arnold up at gun point. he had every right to be called that.

I know the number of people who were indicted as part of the Rudaj Organization, which law enforcement said was the bulk of the group. Furthermore, the FBI itself (in that article you like to bring up) says the group is no more. Looks like that one indictment did the job. Hardly a sixth family.

And it looks like you've been caught in another lie Johnny boy. Rudaj only met with acting Gambino boss Arnold Squitieri once - at the gas station. A meeting which Squitieri called. Who were the "highest members" of the other families that Collotti met with? Name them.

lol, your offense to me calling them a gang shows a sickness and unhealthy, physco obsession you have for italian criminals. congratulations, you've become a success in life! take a look around you. you're apartment, you're little computer. this is it for you buddy

Fact #1 - the Rudaj Organization had no more than a couple dozen members at most.

Fact #2 - the Rudaj Organization was led by two former Gambino associates - Alex Rudaj and Nardino Colletti.

Fact #3 - the Rudaj Organizations' criminal operations consisted of a sports betting operation, a network of about 50 video poker machines, and some gambling clubs in parts of Westchester, the Bronx, and Queens.

Fact #4 - the top leaders of the Rudaj Organization were able to amount a reported $5 million+ in real estate property and other holdings, later confiscated and sold at auction after their conviction.

Fact #5 - the arrest of most of the members of the organization, as well as the convictions of the top six leaders, resulted in the group becoming defunct.

Fact #6- the Rudaj Organization lasted for only about a decade - from the mid-1990's to mid-2000's.


Needless to say, any objective observer can see they amounted much more to a gang than a sixth crime family.

[DutchGangster69]

LOL..ha ha the Rudaj gang that Albanians glorify only had 5 million to their name ...thats pethetic

[thewestside]

LOL..ha ha the Rudaj gang that Albanians glorify only had 5 million to their name ...thats pethetic

Well that's all the government could substantiate. They might well have had more. But the money and property they amassed doesn't come close to that of an entire crime family. As I've said many times, they were more like a single mob crew than a family. But that isn't good enough for Johnny so he exaggerates.

[Azure9920]

lol you're such a pathetic excuse for a person. when i wrote that. i said, judging by the summary on one report. i don't see the italians doing anything the albanians can't reach.

That's not even an argument you fucking retard.

I could pick a homeless man off the streets. Bill Gates hasn't done anything he can't do.
Does that matter?
No?
Why?

Because he hasn't done anything.

The fact that Balkan organized crime garners less attention than the Nigerians in RCMP threat assessment clearly demonstrates how powerful the Albanians are. I'm sure Vito Rizzuto wished he had the influence to infiltrate the RCMP, and manage to cover up reports like that.

[CheGuevara]

Exactly. They knew there was a certain point they could go to but any further would be crossing a line.

right, holding up the boss of the family at gun point. which point was that? you go after the weakest first. that's what i mean't by common sense. rudaj was not scared of any family or any member.

You claims are not supported by the indictment or press releases of the conviction and sentencing of Rudaj members.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/nys/pressrele ... dictpr.pdf
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/nys/pressrele ... tionpr.pdf
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/nys/pressrele ... cingpr.pdf

yes they are. look into the indictments you just listed for my claims. you'll find them there.

And yes, the article on the FBI's website (which I provided to you) does say made men were beaten up. But it also says the group is no more, which you don't believe. I can be forgiven for being skeptical when not a single made member of record has ever been cited anywhere.

the group is extinct as a group. but the majority of members survived the indictment. but the leadership was taken out completely. which is why the group no longer has the means of being united into one leadership.

The only club of record that had ties to the Luccheses was Stamatis. The only club of record that had ties to the Gambinos was Soccer Fever. Those other clubs have never been tied to any Mafia family. And you know damn well the Rudaj gang would never be capable of shaking down a Mafia family in New York. Once again, that's why they went after Greek clubs. But you just keep blowing everything up about Rudaj and his band of merry men to mythical proportions.

i wouldn't be surprised at all if rudaj shook down the gambinos or luccheses if he survived the indictment. he took over all lucchese operations in astoria. no matter how much you want to believe otherwise, it's on the indictment.

I know the number of people who were indicted as part of the Rudaj Organization, which law enforcement said was the bulk of the group. Furthermore, the FBI itself (in that article you like to bring up) says the group is no more. Looks like that one indictment did the job. Hardly a sixth family.

which report or article ever said that was the bulk of the group you idiot? there were like 9 greeks indicted which shows that the astoria operations were the ones that got taken down. what about the rest of the albanians in the group? every report said the group was mainly albanian or albanian-american. there were only like 9 albanians in the indictment so what happened to the majority of the group who is albanian? exactly stupid.

the indictment did the job because the entire leadership was taken down. if the gambinos had their boss, all their captains, consigliere, and underbosses taken down at one time, the gambinos would break down completely and the gambinos would be no more.

And it looks like you've been caught in another lie Johnny boy. Rudaj only met with acting Gambino boss Arnold Squitieri once - at the gas station. A meeting which Squitieri called. Who were the "highest members" of the other families that Collotti met with? Name them.

collotti met with consiglieres and underbosses and even bosses. arnold held the highest position in the family at that time. anybody higher than arnold was in jail sleeping with mark the 300 pound black guy.

Fact #1 - the Rudaj Organization had no more than a couple dozen members at most.
Fact #2 - the Rudaj Organization was led by two former Gambino associates - Alex Rudaj and Nardino Colletti.
Fact #3 - the Rudaj Organizations' criminal operations consisted of a sports betting operation, a network of about 50 video poker machines, and some gambling clubs in parts of Westchester, the Bronx, and Queens.
Fact #4 - the top leaders of the Rudaj Organization were able to amount a reported $5 million+ in real estate property and other holdings, later confiscated and sold at auction after their conviction.
Fact #5 - the arrest of most of the members of the organization, as well as the convictions of the top six leaders, resulted in the group becoming defunct.
Fact #6- the Rudaj Organization lasted for only about a decade - from the mid-1990's to mid-2000's.
Needless to say, any objective observer can see they amounted much more to a gang than a sixth crime family.

i was talking about the c-c you moron.

1- you don't know how many members they had you freakin' idiot.
2- so what the hell is your point?
3- and you're forgetting arms trafficking, bank fraud and extortion as well as loansharking.
4- and?
5- no, the arrest of the leadership and many other members. not most of the members. FOR THE LAST TIME YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEMBERS THEY HAD! why do you keep assuming you do?
6- however long they lasted has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

[Faciulina]

if the gambinos had their boss, all their captains, consigliere, and underbosses taken down at one time, the gambinos would break down completely and the gambinos would be no more.

the gambino's would survive the same putting acting boss underboss and captains loool

[Dobre]

if the gambinos had their boss, all their captains, consigliere, and underbosses taken down at one time, the gambinos would break down completely and the gambinos would be no more.

the gambino's would survive the same putting acting boss underboss and captains loool

John Gotti Jr. is jailed as of June 2009.

Speaking of the Gambinos, they have existed since 1916 and still control much of New York City.

And to think, how many operations against the mafia in New York in history have taken down how many made members and associates in total?

Over a 1,000?

[CheGuevara]

if the gambinos had their boss, all their captains, consigliere, and underbosses taken down at one time, the gambinos would break down completely and the gambinos would be no more.

the gambino's would survive the same putting acting boss underboss and captains loool

no they wouldn't actually. the soldiers wouldn't know what to do and when someone tried to step up to become boss and appoint a new regime, he will suffer from death attempts and other such things as everyone will rush to become in the new regime. the gambinos would be defunct.

[Faciulina]

no they wouldn't actually. the soldiers wouldn't know what to do and when someone tried to step up to become boss and appoint a new regime, he will suffer from death attempts and other such things as everyone will rush to become in the new regime. the gambinos would be defunct.

there would be confusion for a little while but after a couple of years and even less they would be completely functional

[CheGuevara]

there would be confusion for a little while but after a couple of years and even less they would be completely functional

how? how would the soldiers make the decision to be boss, underboss, captain, etc...?

[thewestside]

A new administration would be put into place, as well as new captains. But this is all much ado about nothing because there would never be a time when the boss, underboss, consigliere, and every single captain of a New York Mafia family would be imprisoned at the same time. They are simply too big. And they have shown time and time again, year after year, decade after decade, that they have the ability to remain a continuing organization that can replenish and keep going. That is what it's all about. The organization survives despite individuals, even many high ranking ones, being taken down. This is something that an upstart group, such as the Rudaj Organization, did not have and why they were dismantled in a single indictment.

[CheGuevara]

A new administration would be put into place, as well as new captains.

how? by who? there have been bloodshed when even a small change occured in the ruling regime. i can only imagine what would happen if the entire regime went down. jesus, do i really have to draw this out for you? it looks like i do.

this is the genovese family in 2008 prior to the indictment that they just got hit with.


this is the genovese family today after the indictment. only soldiers survived the indictment.


so now tell me, how would they build a new regime? they could attempt such a thing but you know as well as i do that it would lead to blood shed and the destruction of the family.