


Dobre wrote:Yeah there was also an article that said that the Rizzuto family wanted to align with some Montreal street gangs, and made some enemies within the Haitians..


thewestside wrote:There has also been articles about how the Mafia and street gangs in Montreal wanted to go their seperate ways.
Basically just about every theory for who killed Rizzuto Jr. and why has been floated over the past two days. Nobody, including law enforcement and organized crime experts, really know yet.

Dobre wrote:thewestside wrote:There has also been articles about how the Mafia and street gangs in Montreal wanted to go their seperate ways.
Basically just about every theory for who killed Rizzuto Jr. and why has been floated over the past two days. Nobody, including law enforcement and organized crime experts, really know yet.
Something about a firebombing...
Don't they have #%@&#%@ informants?

Dobre wrote:Something about a firebombing...
Don't they have #%@&#%@ informants?
youngspade wrote:I believe the hatians are campable of a hit like that in the United States, very powerful, lowkey organization!

You said this my nigga : Basically just about every theory for who killed Rizzuto Jr. and why has been floated over the past two days. Nobody, including law enforcement and organized crime experts, really know yet.One or two black guys (Haitian) I believe were arrested for at least some of the arsons but investigators could not establish if they had any street gang affiliations.
I said : I believe the hatians are campable of a hit like that in the United States, very powerful, lowkey organization!
You then said : The question is, whoever did it, what do they have to gain by taking out the son of Vito Rizzuto?


whiskeyjack wrote:youngspade they aint doing it over i hate the white devil shit, if whoever is involved its because of that turf war shit or crime politics or even revenge. Up here everyones low key... That same bad attitude is prevalent amongst all


CheGuevara wrote:Just because some Haitians were arrested for the arson attacks, it doesn't mean a Haitian gang would actually pull something like this. Like a poster said above, what can they gain by killing Rizzuto? Well I know the Hell's Angel's could gain by destablizing one, if not the most powerful organization in Canada.
I think the only people to suspect here are the motorcycle gangs in Montreal or elsewhere.
Now none of you "White devil" hating people flip out when I say this, but where do Haitians even fit into the organized crime picture in Canada? I haven't read extensively on every ethnic group in Canada but Haitian is a word that never came up during my reading.


Faciulina wrote:the shooting was planned within his mafia family it's the most credible thing all the rest is BS


CheGuevara wrote:Just because some Haitians were arrested for the arson attacks, it doesn't mean a Haitian gang would actually pull something like this. Like a poster said above, what can they gain by killing Rizzuto? Well I know the Hell's Angel's could gain by destablizing one, if not the most powerful organization in Canada.
I think the only people to suspect here are the motorcycle gangs in Montreal or elsewhere.
Now none of you "White devil" hating people flip out when I say this, but where do Haitians even fit into the organized crime picture in Canada? I haven't read extensively on every ethnic group in Canada but Haitian is a word that never came up during my reading.



Italians go down like dogs everywhere.

CheGuevara wrote:Now none of you "White devil" hating people flip out when I say this, but where do Haitians even fit into the organized crime picture in Canada? I haven't read extensively on every ethnic group in Canada but Haitian is a word that never came up during my reading.

Haitian drug dealers killing Nick Jr for...whatever reason. Newspapers are portraying him as the "street face" of the Rizzuto family, so it's possible he had interactions with Haitian drug groups, it could have been a random attempted robbery/carjacking(the area where he was killed has a large lower class black population) or it could just be an Italian power play.


I doubt the Bonannos are going to challenge it. They have enough shit to deal with down in New York, and Sal Montagna does not have that type of influence up there. He was merely a street boss chosen after a ton of indictments in New York

Faciulina wrote:I doubt the Bonannos are going to challenge it. They have enough shit to deal with down in New York, and Sal Montagna does not have that type of influence up there. He was merely a street boss chosen after a ton of indictments in New York
the bonanno's are litterally full of zips, i wouldn't no surprised if some emergent boss wants to challenge the power within the montreal mafia faction, although very powerful it's only a fraction of the bonanno's who have hundreds of members, anyway if haitians did it it means they have more balls than all the other groups combined but they risck an attack by both bonanno's, sicilian and calabrian mafia, it's not worth for them, they are just disorganized suburban gangs, the mafia shooters can find them easily

Haitian immigrants have constituted a very visible segment of American and Canadian society, dating back to before the independence of Haiti from France in 1804. Haiti's proximity to the United States, and its status as a free black republic in the years before the American Civil War, have contributed to this relationship. Many influential early American settlers and black freemen, including Jean Baptiste Point du Sable and W. E. B. du Bois, were of Haitian origin.
In modern times, large-scale emigration from Haiti is mostly due to the fact that they have been steadily migrating in significant numbers to the United States since the late 1950s—early 1960s, soon after François Duvalier (“Papa Doc”) became president of Haiti. The political repression that characterized the Duvalier period forced large numbers of Haitians to seek safer harbor in the United States. Sustained political oppression, economic hardship, and lack of opportunity continued to drive contingents of Haitian immigrants out of their homeland all throughout the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s (Zéphir 1996, 2001; Catanese 1999).
Haitian immigration persists to the present day, as evidenced in the numerous reports of major news networks, such as those of CNN or the New York Times, about the boat people disembarking on the Florida shores as recently as October 2002. One The combination of push and pull factors led Haitians to cross the Caribbean Sea, by plane or by boat, legally or illegally, in order to reach the shores of America, the perceived land of opportunity, to begin new lives. An examination of the records of the Census Bureau as well as those of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) allows for reasonable inferences about the size of the legal Haitian population currently residing in the United States. Two However, estimates provided by community leaders who offer assistance to the illegal population as well suggest that the actual number of the Haitian diaspora is higher than that recorded in government documents. In short, there is good reason to believe that the Haitian diaspora in the United States exceeds 850,000, and according to community leaders may be close to 1 million.
Haitian community in the country, with an estimated 329,883 of the 694,123 Haitians nationwide. And their status as one of the fastest-growing ethnic groups is reflected in their political gains. Florida boasts two Haitian-American state lawmakers, and another recently served as secretary of health under former Gov. Jeb Bush, who actively courted the community's votes. In Chicago, Kwame Raoul, the son of Haitian émigrés, now fills Sen. Barack Obama's former state Senate seat. And Pierre-Richard Prosper, the son of Haitian doctors, served as U.S. ambassador-at-large for war crimes after he was nominated by President Bush in January 2001. He ended his term in 2005. Under heavy lobbying by the U.S. Congressional Black Caucus and some Republicans, Congress last month enacted the HOPE Act, and President Bush signed it. The act provides duty-free imports for some Haitian textiles. The Bush administration also spared Haiti some of the deep aid cuts that hit other Latin American nations. The Congressional Black Caucus has long been Haiti's strongest advocate, urging more economic aid and criticizing the lack of U.S. support for former Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, ousted in 2004 amid a violent uprising. And after the elections last November, Democrats active on Haiti issues now hold key posts. Michigan Rep. John Conyers heads the Judiciary Committee, giving him a key say on immigration and refugee matters. Rep. Charles Rangel of New York now chairs the House Ways and Means Committee, which steers U.S. trade policy, among other matters. One member of that committee is U.S. Rep. Kendrick Meek of Miami, who is traveling to Haiti today to discuss immigration issues with President René Préval and the U.S. ambassador in Port-au-Prince. -->

The Mafia could get attacked anywhere in the US, but of course the italians would kill alot but dont think they wont lose anybody like they already have, so to say what if The Haitians lost a member from italians and this is just revenge?

Carmelo_Sicily wrote:I doubt the Bonannos are going to challenge it. They have enough shit to deal with down in New York, and Sal Montagna does not have that type of influence up there. He was merely a street boss chosen after a ton of indictments in New York.

Faciulina wrote:yes but i don't think somebody would risk to attack the mafia in new york or jersey, it would be a suicide, the mafia could be attacked only where it has a minor presence, i don't know if the montreal mafia faction is independent now or it is still a faction of bonanno's, if it's still a faction it was a declaration of war against the bonanno's and they could send shooters from ny to montreal to support the rizzuto's, but i think it's an internal question

The formal ties between the Montreal faction, i.e. the Rizzuto family and the Bonanno family in New York ended when Joe Massino had Gerlando Sciascia killed back in 1999. Even before then the Rizzutos had been operating mostly independently, only occassionly sending tribute down to New York.



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