sinaloa drug cartel vs lcn

[Faciulina]

hahaha.............Italians today are stronger then Mexican OC today in the USA? hahaha............in the 1980s possible but thats 20 years ago. Theres been 30,000 cartel related murders in the last 5 years. The mafia in America I believe killed maybe 3 people in the last few years? Mexicans have made billions of dollars on a yearly basis for years on end, have endless supplies of recruits and , Mexico right behind them to call in reenforcements--------not to mention that Mexico is a safe haven for criminals thieves who live openly after bribing their local police for $25 bucks

yeah italian mafia is stronger than mexicans in the states and north america as a whole (included canada) even today fbi said it minister of justice said it and several reports say the mafia is still the strongest organization there
30.000 murders are done in mexico not the states, i was talking about the states not the cartels in mexico
if you want compare the cartels as a whole you should compare them with italian mafia as a whole included italy and europe and italian mafia is far richer and powerful it made 200 billions for year at least

[Faciulina]

mexican mafia structured thereselves like lcn in the begining and thats it . mexican american gangs dont give a shiznit about the lcn and your so called pyrimid and even though they with intertwind the eme they operate loosley , even the mexican american gangs would probably smash the lcn in a all out war , fist fights no comptetion fat man has a heart attack 45 seconds into fight , gun fight the mexican americans have to many soldiers lcn would have to resort to initiating the jersey shore fist pumpers in reality it would be no match , jail ( explosion goes off ) forgetaboutit lcn would all be in pc , even the late j.gotti got hit by a regular black inmate.

mexican american gangs are not an unique organization they are loosely organized and not connected each other, in a war the mafia would win since it's a monolith and well structured organization and far more entrenched than gangs... it's like hitler's army who fight against disorganized armies it litterally would destroy it

[RDRIGN]

hahaha.............Italians today are stronger then Mexican OC today in the USA? hahaha............in the 1980s possible but thats 20 years ago. Theres been 30,000 cartel related murders in the last 5 years. The mafia in America I believe killed maybe 3 people in the last few years? Mexicans have made billions of dollars on a yearly basis for years on end, have endless supplies of recruits and , Mexico right behind them to call in reenforcements--------not to mention that Mexico is a safe haven for criminals thieves who live openly after bribing their local police for $25 bucks

yeah italian mafia is stronger than mexicans in the states and north america as a whole (included canada) even today fbi said it minister of justice said it and several reports say the mafia is still the strongest organization there
30.000 murders are done in mexico not the states, i was talking about the states not the cartels in mexico
if you want compare the cartels as a whole you should compare them with italian mafia as a whole included italy and europe and italian mafia is far richer and powerful it made 200 billions for year at least

The American Italian families are separate organizations not 1 big organization, the most powerful criminal organizations in the western hemisphere are the Mexican Cartels and Colombian cartels coming second like the Cartel Valle del Norte but Colombia doesn't have big cartels like Mexico has well maybe except Cartel Valle del Norte. We're talking about who is stronger the Italian American criminal organizations or the Sinaloa Cartel and clearly the Sinaloa Cartel is far more powerful than the 5 families and the Outfit put together. Hell even gangs like Gangster Disciples could rival and maybe even surpass the Outfit, I don't think the Outfit would want to fight a gang that has heat behind them and even if they did managed to fight the Outfit, I would put my money on Gangster Disciples any day.

[RDRIGN]

The only difference in Mexico is that that tehy have a gangster culture ---started I might add by emulating the Italian Model of Mafia...........LA EME took the model and so did most other Mexican Crime Syndicates from the ideas of the Mafia from Italians........

Who ever argues with this retard needs to know that all his BS goes back to EME. He some how wants to make a small time prison gang relevant. First this retard tried to say that this group of heroin junkies, EME members, are in control of the Mexican drug cartels. I made him look like a big retarded retard when he argued this stupid belief he had of EME controlling anything big with me. So he went from EME is doing big things to they aint shit and it takes one indictment to smack them back to the level they will never out grow out of, a prison gang.

If you read enough of me trying to correct this big retard weak arguments, you would get that this whole thing is about EME still being bottom feeders. I guess he didn't want to look like a gigantic fool, even though it's already too late for that, for exaggerating EME's very limited power. So now he want's to make up for that by saying that Mexican cartels are learning something from some heroin junkies locked away in cells for life.

Ok retarded since I read up on EME a little bit let me tell you that EME is absolutely not modeled after the Italians. EME was set up to have no leaders, the Italians were set up to have a boss, EME wasn't. You see even in the thing you claim to know about the most, EME, you don't know shit about.

LA EME THE AMERICAN LCN are completely differtent. LCN has a regid pyramid stucture and all EME members are supposed to be equal. Two very different things.

So far nothing that you have said has been right.

I disagree with you about the EME being just a bunch of hooked up addicts behind bars, the EME organization is pretty powerful and does wield influence in California streets by extorting gangs or selling their drugs and take a cut from it, they do have a hiearchy well at least to my understanding. People now a days are misunderstanding what really means power, you don't have to make billions to have power but they can come in hand sometimes depending on the circumstances, prison gangs and street gangs today(well at least in the U.S) can rank up 10s of millions a year, they are also very dangerous and some pretty powerful(which people keep forgetting).

[mnjmc]

I disagree with you about the EME being just a bunch of hooked up addicts behind bars, the EME organization is pretty powerful and does wield influence in California streets by extorting gangs or selling their drugs and take a cut from it, they do have a hiearchy well at least to my understanding.

No EME does not have a hiearchy. There's no such titles as boss or capo in EME, or for that matter general and lieutenant, I think Nuestra Familia uses military titles in their organization. They are all supposed to be equal in theory. That's why they have the rule about members not politicking against one another. Now they unofficially have people with more pull and who have more control, but that it's not how it was set up. Like Joe Morgan, he wasn't a boss that title doesn't exist in EME, he had more control over what was going on with EME because he was one of the oldest when he was alive but non of the EME members have official titles.

And yeah they have some power when you compare them to other streetgangs, but compare them to the Sinaloa Cartel and they have verry little.

The point is that the Italian OC groups have recognized titles and ranks, EME does not. So that means they are not modeled after the Italians at all.

[RDRIGN]

I disagree with you about the EME being just a bunch of hooked up addicts behind bars, the EME organization is pretty powerful and does wield influence in California streets by extorting gangs or selling their drugs and take a cut from it, they do have a hiearchy well at least to my understanding.

No EME does not have a hiearchy. There's no such titles as boss or capo in EME, or for that matter general and lieutenant, I think Nuestra Familia uses military titles in their organization. They are all supposed to be equal in theory. That's why they have the rule about members not politicking against one another. Now they unofficially have people with more pull and who have more control, but that it's not how it was set up. Like Joe Morgan, he wasn't a boss that title doesn't exist in EME, he had more control over what was going on with EME because he was one of the oldest when he was alive but non of the EME members have official titles.

And yeah they have some power when you compare them to other streetgangs, but compare them to the Sinaloa Cartel and they have verry little.

The point is that the Italian OC groups have recognized titles and ranks, EME does not. So that means they are not modeled after the Italians at all.

Well EME does does not have an official boss titles in paper but that doesn't mean they do not, they don't admit to anything but to my understanding some of them do seem to have a higher ranking status like you mentioned but equal rights. Of course La EME has very little power compared to Sinaloa Cartel but in the U.S compared to gangs and other organized crime groups they aren't weak far from it. The thing that people don't understand is power comes in different ways in the underworld not just who makes more money, people tend to underestimate street gangs these days.

[thewestside]

THE $60,000 QUESTION.....

WHY DOES EVERYTHING ON THIS BOARD SOONER OR LATER COME DOWN TO A DICK MEASURING CONTEST BETWEEN GROUP A AND GROUP B? AND IT'S USUALLY BASED ON WHAT NEVER HAPPENS - GROUP A AND GROUP B GOING TO WAR.

RIVAL FACTIONS WITHIN GROUP A WILL FIGHT EACH OTHER. OR RIVAL FACTIONS WITHIN GROUP B. BUT A VS. B? ALMOST NEVER.

[FAVELA9]

chapo guzman boss of the sinaloa cartel was in forbes as one of the richest and most influential man on the planet , yet to guiseppe linguinee be mentoned

[mnjmc]

Well EME does does not have an official boss titles in paper but that doesn't mean they do not

No that's exactly what it means. They don't have a hiearchy, just guys with more pull than others. They are not in any way close to the structure the American Mafia has.

[thewestside]

chapo guzman boss of the sinaloa cartel was in forbes as one of the richest and most influential man on the planet , yet to guiseppe linguinee be mentoned

Whether we're talking about a cartel drug lord or a Mafia boss, you have to take estimates of their personal wealth with a big bucket of salt. Obviously none of them file tax returns on their real income.

Drug lords like Pablo Escobar of the Medellin Cartel, Jose Santacruz Londono of the Cali cartel, Amado Carrillo Fuentes of the Juarez Cartel, and Jaoquin Guzman of the Sinaloa cartel were or are billionaires. But most likely closer to the more conservative estimates of $1-2 billion in total cash and assets. Not these outlandishly inflated figures - like $25 billion - one reads about.

In terms of personal wealth, Sicilian Mafia bosses like Salvatore Riina or Bernardo Provenzano would be more comparable. But there has never been an American Mafia members that had anywhere near that kind of money. A few have supposedly gotten around $100 million or so but that's still a long way off from being in the billions.

[Faciulina]

chapo guzman boss of the sinaloa cartel was in forbes as one of the richest and most influential man on the planet , yet to guiseppe linguinee be mentoned

in italy there are 20 boss at least richer than chapo guzman, matteo messina denaro alone has personal assets worth to 20-50 billions
in the states i don't know if there are billionaire boss today, maybe some gambino's or genovese's

The American Italian families are separate organizations not 1 big organization, the most powerful criminal organizations in the western hemisphere are the Mexican Cartels and Colombian cartels coming second like the Cartel Valle del Norte but Colombia doesn't have big cartels like Mexico has well maybe except Cartel Valle del Norte. We're talking about who is stronger the Italian American criminal organizations or the Sinaloa Cartel and clearly the Sinaloa Cartel is far more powerful than the 5 families and the Outfit put together. Hell even gangs like Gangster Disciples could rival and maybe even surpass the Outfit, I don't think the Outfit would want to fight a gang that has heat behind them and even if they did managed to fight the Outfit, I would put my money on Gangster Disciples any day.

ahahaha italian mafia is a monolith both in europe and north america, everyone knows it the cartels are far more disorganized and sure they are not a 1 big organization... italian mafia as a whole is far stronger richer and widespread than mexican cartels, honestly italian mafia is everywhere (europe, north and south america, australia, africa, asia) the cartels are present only in a few places outside mexico, in europe they don't exist at all, italian mafia is involved in tons of diversied business mexicans are involved only in drugs and even in drugs the italian mafia is bigger since it controls most of europe australia and part of north america
yeah the gangsters disciples surpass the outfit and you are a mental patient, i'm guessing? there is not any street gangs in the states even close to an even smaller lcn famiy like the decavalcante's, the outfit would win in a war against every stupid and disorganized gangs in chicago

[mayugastank]

IF .........Italy was next door to the USA -The mafia would be the most powerful organization. But outside of the East Coast they are NON EXISTANT. You could spend your entire life in the states outside of the East coast and NEVER run into an italian!!! of any make or model* The LCN in NYC is not comparable to the least powerful organization in Mexico. The Most powerful organization in Mexico wouldnt reach the level of sophistication of any of the Italians Mafias. Italians have had their wars and fought their battles and went through much BS that made the organizations what they are. Mexicans are just starting out. Where is the comaparision? The 30,000 people killed in the cartel war is not replicated anywhere on earth as in a gang war. Not columbia-Italy-Russia nowhere have so many been killed in such a short time frame....so that tells me?

1.That theyre are hundreds if not thousands of people involved
2.That theyre are surely organizations doing battle


Who knows what happens in Mexicos drug war because its still ongoing---but their are many streetgangs and prison gangs actively involved and taking sides, many have modeled themselves after the Italians-with initiation procedures/rules of conduct/pyramid structures/and blood in blood out-life memberships. Most of those ideas came from Italians despite what mnjmc says! I mean the symbol of the EME is the black hand ---an Italian Organization in the early 19th century.

[mayugastank]

ahahaha italian mafia is a monolith both in europe and north america



In Europe but in North America they are regalated to the East Coast and are hard up even their with some families near extinction like the Colombos and LUcchese. Gambling could never compare to the profits derived from drug dealing. Not to mention that Mexico today is what the USA was in the 19th century, free-easy to buy off police protection-easy to murder people and not get caught-disorganized-and crooked. Doesnt the amount of informers in the last 10 years of the LCNs history prove that in America you deal in crime you pay.BIG?

[FAVELA9]

this has become an intresting topic

[Faciulina]

IF .........Italy was next door to the USA -The mafia would be the most powerful organization. But outside of the East Coast they are NON EXISTANT. You could spend your entire life in the states outside of the East coast and NEVER run into an italian!!! of any make or model* The LCN in NYC is not comparable to the least powerful organization in Mexico. The Most powerful organization in Mexico wouldnt reach the level of sophistication of any of the Italians Mafias. Italians have had their wars and fought their battles and went through much BS that made the organizations what they are. Mexicans are just starting out. Where is the comaparision? The 30,000 people killed in the cartel war is not replicated anywhere on earth as in a gang war. Not columbia-Italy-Russia nowhere have so many been killed in such a short time frame....so that tells me?

although most of italian mafia is located on the east coast (but there are families in the middle-west and in california), in the states as a whole it's still the strongest organization, fbi, organized crime experts and even minister of justice said it and honestly i believe in them more than a few wannabes from a forum LOL
when you say mexican cartels are stronger you compare what they did in mexico you dumb i'm talking of the states
the fact they did 30.000 murders it doesn't mean they are more powerful, some organizations like triads and yakuza rarely kills and they are among the most powerful group... italian mafia did in the 80s what mexicans are doing today and italian mafia was more vicious it bombed dozens judges never heard of mexicans bombed judges they maybe used a bomb only 1 time for killing some rival

In Europe but in North America they are regalated to the East Coast and are hard up even their with some families near extinction like the Colombos and LUcchese. Gambling could never compare to the profits derived from drug dealing. Not to mention that Mexico today is what the USA was in the 19th century, free-easy to buy off police protection-easy to murder people and not get caught-disorganized-and crooked. Doesnt the amount of informers in the last 10 years of the LCNs history prove that in America you deal in crime you pay.BIG?

in north america they are a monolith too there is a commission of the mafia and it's extremely organized and it's 1 big organization
ahahahah colombo and lucchese families are still very strong they are hundred members and thoudans associates, where did you read they are near extint? honestly you know very little about organized crime

[FAVELA9]

america loves the LCN

[m12chinola]

ok so this is the bottom line mutha...... the sinaloa cartel is more powerful than any european organization and i dont care what u say,,, the way i see it the euopean mafias have had over a hundred years to build there empires and its still being rivaled by the sinaloa cartel that only has a littel 20 years in the making... in war the sinaloa cartel will destroy any group you put in is way..... 1 because it has to many members 2 it has money to blow and 3 their tactics to destroy there enemys are barberic... decapitations torture and if thats not bad enough they will kill your family young or old.. heres a website that will make u a believer check it out http://www.blogdelnarco.com/

[thewestside]

Blah blah blah.....

Why does this stupid question always come up? Who would win between this group and that group?

People who actually study this stuff in depth know that it's very rare that two different organized crime groups (in terms of ethnicity) fight each other. They work with each other for mutual profit for more often. The vast majority of the fighting goes on within each group - the clans fighting in Sicily, groups fighting in Moscow, the cartels fighting in Colombia and Mexico, etc.

[mayugastank]

Blah blah blah.....

Why does this stupid question always come up? Who would win between this group and that group?

People who actually study this stuff in depth know that it's very rare that two different organized crime groups (in terms of ethnicity) fight each other. They work with each other for mutual profit for more often. The vast majority of the fighting goes on within each group - the clans fighting in Sicily, groups fighting in Moscow, the cartels fighting in Colombia and Mexico, etc.

depends how you look at it. The Italian mafia has many many times over murdered people in competing organizations. Black numbers runners-Colombian Drug dealers ( roys demeo crew and Tommy Karates and SEVERAL OTHERS) George Barone testified he murdered more then one African American numbers guys who didnt get on the program with what the Genovese wanted. The outfit hit a few blacks who were trying to dip into their rackets. They also steamrolled many other ethnicitys during the chop shop wars. Younger Associates seemed to have made quite a few dealers in Miami disappear. They also routinely jacked Colombians for their coke and then made them disappear. Not too mention how the Gambinos referred to the Westies as their crash dummys guys that were expendable. Not to mention the fact of the Russians who tried to get in on the Gas Scam and were blown away. Also the rivalrys between Italian and Puerto Rican gangs in the 70s.

[mayugastank]

ok so this is the bottom line mutha...... the sinaloa cartel is more powerful than any european organization and i dont care what u say,,, the way i see it the euopean mafias have had over a hundred years to build there empires and its still being rivaled by the sinaloa cartel that only has a littel 20 years in the making... in war the sinaloa cartel will destroy any group you put in is way..... 1 because it has to many members 2 it has money to blow and 3 their tactics to destroy there enemys are barberic... decapitations torture and if thats not bad enough they will kill your family young or old.. heres a website that will make u a believer check it out http://www.blogdelnarco.com/

So this Sinaloa cartel..........how do people become members? In an all our war both groups would have trouble finding out who is killing whom as they btoh dress down and dont telegram their membership. But the LCN is way more powerful and way more discreet. If you check the list Westside put out on membership -youll see that many many guys are in their 80-90s. The LCN in America has been hit hard and if the Mexicans in America had anything like the history and structure of LCN along with a border next door ........the Cartels would rule the entire goverment.

The LCN-doenst have 90 million people to recruit from or 100k hispanic gang members to choose new members from like LA EME does.Despite this New Yorks LCN even NOW has made much much more money and had way more sophisticated plots then LA EME -with 100,000 gang members to choose from.

Sinaloa Cartel is definetly a powerful organization but would they be powerful if they were 1000s of miles away from home with limited recruits and law enforcement who does everything it can to annihilate it? Who would replace the soldiers/captains-bosses?

You got to give credit where its due the LCN -from 1950 onwards has killed probably a 100 people who turned on it-beaten cases by witness tampering-and had up until 1983 only 2 known informers EVER. The Italian mafia in Italy didnt have a made member turn on it from its very begining in the early 1800s to 1980s. 200 years with no one ever knowing the structure or whether it even existed........before Sammy Gravano-Fish Carafora.....people werent 100% positive the mafia even existed.......Joe Valachi was the only guy to ever turn and after him it took til the 1980s to have it happen again.


I dont believe any organization has the history and has had teh ability to silence witnesses and get people into power like LCN has done. No one will ever again.