vietnamese gangs control the east coast

[thonkoboy2000]

i got no respect for the asian girls that marry white dudes..

[youngcriminologist]

the decline is just part of the cycle of life. just remember why there are gangs in the first place. mostly to protect ourselves from being picked on and discriminated against. you'll see that once the decline is at it's lowest and we get moved on again, you'll see asian gangs back on the rise.

^Alonso is tripping then. It's his site so it's his rules. But to add streetgangs.com on myspace is over doing it. A lot of us have enough posts to be considered VIP. Kinda wack how things changed cause some idiots decided to spam the place. And the legit ppl had nothing to do with it. Oh well it's his call.

Since we don't have an introductions section, I'll post mine here. Hi everyone! I'm a new member here, and I apologize if my gang knowledge is very limited.

First off, I'm a Chinese-Filipino psych student interested in working with Asian American enclaves and underprivileged communities. I'm involved in community service organizations and local Asian Pacific education centers.

My thesis requires me to research the current state of Asian gangs in Southern California. Unfortunately, there isn't that much literature done, let alone about Asians, except maybe

Asian Youth Gangs in Southern California Suburbia (Tsunokai 2003) about the ones from San Gabriel Valley
Gangs and Immigrant Youth (Choo 2007) about Korean youth gangs in New Jersey

Both books claim that the main reason why ethnic gangs form is because
a. To form a type of brotherhood amidst the harsh acculturation process
b. They have friends who are in gangs and want to maintain those relationships
c. Monetary reasons
d. They get picked on by other groups (Mexicans, blacks)
e. Girls

Do you guys agree?

In popular understanding or media misrepresentation, it's common that gangs have this image of ethnic pride. It's about Vietnamese versus Koreans or something. If that's true, then why are criminal activities, like extortion and break-ins, usually targeted towards their own communities (i.e. Viets @ Westminster; Koreans @ Ktown )?

The authors give reasons like, Korean gangsters would rob Korean store owners because those owners don't trust in American banks so they hide their money at home. Still, I find the pride logic a bit confusing, even ironic. It then might not be an ethnic factor, but rather, a socioeconomic issue.

If you guys want to express information beyond the scope of this forum topic, please feel free to pm me

[buLLetxx2]

Posting privileges (in this section) were restored, briefly, last night and appear to have been removed again (the "new topic" button). So i dont know whats up, could be a glitch in the site or someone accidentally suspended privileges because of the way this site is so scattered with so many subsections, but im not sure.



Thonko, why the hell would you go and say something like that? I can understand af the typical Caucasian post pubescent fantasy of being with an Asian woman was the only reason they were together but I mean for folks to get married, most of the time, there's something more than just sexual perversion bringing them together. People are gonna be into each other for many reasons, ethnic background may or may not be one of them but all I can say is, its 2009 and the USA has always been a melding pot of many types of people, its bound to happen here.

Youngcrim, I gotta go to work but im sure by the time I get back someone will have touched on your question(s) by then.
lates

[Crenshaw870]

YoungCrim:

If possible, send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll have my homie who used to be in a Ktown gang respond to your question.

I grew up in Koreatown for a large part of my life, although I am Latino (Guatemalan-American).

I don't want to answer your questions due to the fact that I am not of Asian ancestry, and my opinion would be completely subjective and biased from an outer, non-Asian perspective.

What I will say is that Ktown and most of its Asian gangs are no where near what they used to be. With the expansion of the Metro Red Line along Wilshire Blvd. (specifically with the stations that are in or border Ktown, such as Wilshire/Vermont, Wilshire/Normandie, and Wilshire/Western) a lot of the neighborhoods in and around the stations were gentrified to bring in larger apartment complexes (such as the one on Wilshire/Vermont, which I learned this summer was funded for construction by the City with the help of the Community Redevelopment Agency, which is one of the places that I interned this summer). Korean businesses continue to flourish, and the influx of illegal Latino immigrants shows no signs of stopping. These two factors contribute to the fall of Korean gang membership in Ktown (due to their uprise on the socioeconomic ladder) and to the prevelant Latino gang presence in Ktown (due to their frozen state on the lower spectrum of the socioeconomic ladder).

Of course, this is only a very brief, generalized summary of some of the factors that contribute.

I moved out to NYC about 3 years ago, but I visit my family in Ktown every summer. Everytime I go back, I see less and less Korean graffiti (almost none), such as anything from ACS, MBZ, etc., and more and more condominiums being built.

As for the reasons why Asians may join gangs, I will let my homie handle that one once you provide your email.

But some of the sociological reasons as to why many no longer join in Ktown were summarized above.

Its my first post, so I thought I'd share my two cents.

Currently working on my masters in Sociology, so I'm more than glad to help you out YoungCrim.

[thonkoboy2000]

its true most korean gangs in ktown arent deep as they used to be..most of the heads are locked up thats forsure but theres only 2 gangs in ktown..32 aka trey deuce theyre the deepest korean gang right now and then u got ACS aka asian criminals, these 2 gangs need to start recruiting asap

[shing]

its true most korean gangs in ktown arent deep as they used to be..most of the heads are locked up thats forsure but theres only 2 gangs in ktown..32 aka trey deuce theyre the deepest korean gang right now and then u got ACS aka asian criminals, these 2 gangs need to start recruiting asap

i was in the joint for a pretty decent stretch so when you say that most of the korean heads are locked up is pretty much nonsense.(no disrespect intended) i've been on many yards and i know even more people on other yards and i can tell you that koreans have the least heads in the joint among asians. do the math. 33 prisons in california roughly 4-5 yards per pen and 2-3 or less koreans per yard. that's roughly 500 koreans. and out of those how many of them are from k-town? how many of those were gang bangers? i wouldn't call that "most heads".

[682]

i got no respect for the asian girls that marry white dudes..

cmon man... thats just straight racist right there. u dont have to "like" it, but no need to disrespect or not give respect to them for that. if my sister married a white boy, i wouldnt "like" it but its her life and if shes happy and not harming anyone, who am i to stop that? if i married a white girl (which i wouldnt anyway), i wouldnt like it if her brother/dad hated on me just cuz i was asian.

[triplethreat]

Man, this "Vietnamese gangs" thread turned into a whole bunch of other topics. Lets get back to the subject. Does anyone kno if V-Boyz and AKB are still active in LA? Someone posted on here that AKB got into a scrap with POV not long ago. Not sure if that means AKB is in OC now. And I haven't heard much about POV these days but guess their still around. Whats the most active Viet gangs in OC right now?

[thonkoboy2000]

its true most korean gangs in ktown arent deep as they used to be..most of the heads are locked up thats forsure but theres only 2 gangs in ktown..32 aka trey deuce theyre the deepest korean gang right now and then u got ACS aka asian criminals, these 2 gangs need to start recruiting asap

i was in the joint for a pretty decent stretch so when you say that most of the korean heads are locked up is pretty much nonsense.(no disrespect intended) i've been on many yards and i know even more people on other yards and i can tell you that koreans have the least heads in the joint among asians. do the math. 33 prisons in california roughly 4-5 yards per pen and 2-3 or less koreans per yard. that's roughly 500 koreans. and out of those how many of them are from k-town? how many of those were gang bangers? i wouldn't call that "most heads".

i never said 1000 koreans were locked up, i just meant most koreans are locked up that used to bang anyways..korean gangs arent even deep to start out with to be honest..maybe the most deep would be at most 40..so yeah korean gangs arent as deep as u might think they are..i think trey deuce might be like 30 deep and acs is around 10-15

[thonkoboy2000]

i got no respect for the asian girls that marry white dudes..

cmon man... thats just straight racist right there. u dont have to "like" it, but no need to disrespect or not give respect to them for that. if my sister married a white boy, i wouldnt "like" it but its her life and if shes happy and not harming anyone, who am i to stop that? if i married a white girl (which i wouldnt anyway), i wouldnt like it if her brother/dad hated on me just because i was asian.

lol most guys from other races would disagree with u though, if u went out with a black girl id guarantee, u will get jumped by some black dudes etc. thats why most people think asians are pussies cuz yall think like that, but i have to say its just the fact that those asian girls that luv white boys etc think asian dudes are inferior n shit..that pisses me off..but thats just my opninion

[triplethreat]

^Right on thonkoboy! I agree with you. I don't hate on white guys that date Asian girls. Or hate on Asian girls for dating white guys. If the love is true then let it be. I'm happy for them. That's all God wants for us anyways and its all good. I respect that and even kno a few couples like this myself. But there are Asian girls that think Asian guys are inferior. That Asian guys are weak and being Asian is less than human or something. And they get all that nonsense from what they see on TV. And there are white guys that think Asian girls are all horny-love you long time-sex maniacs. They have no respect for Asian girls or Asians in general. These ppl are the ones that need to check themselves. The society we live in glorifies white ppl. All the movies make white guys heroes and saviours. Even on TV commercials theres always a white guy with an Asian girl. Like thats the only way to be or something. A strong handsome white man is going to save you. Subconsciously that plays tricks with your head. America has a history of doing things like this. During WWII they didn't want ppl to know that black soldiers and Japanese soldiers were fighting for America. They didn't want minorities to be recognized for making sacrifices and having courage or strength. That plays out even today. Nowa days I see more and more white guys with Asian girls. I probably did already but dont want to go too deep into this, my bad. I kno some Asian guys make a big deal about this and some dont care at all. Everyone feels different about this subject. I respect that to the fullest. I've seen a lot of racism in my day coming from the average looking whiteman to skinheads. So maybe im biased.

[js83]

Does other asian gangs still come down to ktown often?

Like last month, I was at chapman plaza and saw like 10 heads, banged out...they definitely didn't look Korean...maybe viet or chinese...

[shing]

Does other asian gangs still come down to ktown often?

Like last month, I was at chapman plaza and saw like 10 heads, banged out...they definitely didn't look Korean...maybe viet or chinese...

this is why other asians come to K-town. in the SGV there aren't any real places for them to go drink, and there are only a handful in OC that have hard liquor. There aren't any nightclubs with the exception of hostess clubs. Every block in K-town has a "bar/cafe" and every other block has a nightclub. When the Chinese had "The World" nightclub to go to, Yuppies(Karnac), Rockin Robin(Velvet Room), 6th Ave(seafood restaraunt), and Amazon(Home Depot) weren't filled with Chinese like they would be now. And where you find Chinese congregating, you'll find Viets too. I used to go to S-Bar often and there would always be other Chinese there. Once I even saw a bunch of my friends from ABZ singing in the nore bang there. If you go to Nak Won Jip and Hodori on Fri/Sat after 2am, you will see tons of other asian races there.

I know that for a time club owners weren't letting non-koreans in unless they were guests of korean patrons. so there definitely was a time where you didn't see many non-koreans in K-town. that didn't last too long because they realized that alot of us spend large sums money. Money is all green no matter where it comes from. And it's not like you can really gangbang in k-town either. there's no street corner where asians hang. and since the korean gangs aren't so deep, it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. all the gang violence there happens by chance. not because WC or some other gang came specifically to catch some 32 slippin.

[thonkoboy2000]

koreans always get into fights with the viets and chinese that come thru ktown..it sorta turns racial like the koreans would say why the fukc u in our town and a viet snaps and shoots the korean and so on..but its not been like that lately..korean G'z disapeared outta no where..i rememeber a korean playboy killed a wah ching cuz he came into his territory..but thats a long time ago..

[FINITO]

I can't speak for all the KOrean Gs out there but me and my boyz didnt mind the Chinese and the viets coming through Ktown as long they they watched their step and didnt fuck around. IT's all good if ya wanna come drink and party or whatever but if u try to muscle in on our territory or try to get involved in other businesses to fuck up our money, then bodies gonna start dropping. That's exactly what happened to that one poor ole Dub C back in the 90s when he got murdered by a Playboy. Ive been living clean for nearly a decade now but if i decided to gather up the heads and start KPB again, id start a revolution n shit and take KOrean gangbangin to a whole different level just like how it was in the 80s-90s..

[Proverbz]

i got no respect for the asian girls that marry white dudes..

lol its like that huh? my opinion is that any asian girl who won't date asian guys have self hatred issues. in the case of love. well love is love and people can do whatever they want. i respect their choice to mix blood but at the same time they should respect my choice is to keep my bloodline pure. i wouldn't marry a non korean. it's not that i hate other races, it's just a personal choice. my future children can do whatever they want but they should take pride in the fact that they have pure blood running through them. i know i will. speaking on the topic of other asians in ktown. it should be all good nowadays since the gang scene is pretty much nonexistent. although i can't guarantee a solid pass because anything can happen after the bars let out the drunk koreans.

[FINITO]

i got no respect for the asian girls that marry white dudes..

Im not for it but at the same time im not totally against it either. I dont see why an asian girl shouldnt marry a white boy.

You sound insecure, thonkoboy.

[FINITO]

i got no respect for the asian girls that marry white dudes..

Im not for it but at the same time im not totally against it either. I dont see why an asian girl shouldnt marry a white boy.

You sound insecure, thonkoboy.

[buLLetxx2]

It's 2009 and most of us live in So Cal, in veritable melding pots of culture and color, and saying something like "I got no respect for asian girls who marry white dudes" is NO different from the "good ol' boys" in the south who hate their own son or daughter because they're a "n*gger lover". 10-15 years ago I may have said the same as thonko but now, looking back, that was just ignorance getting the best of me. I swear now I have a friend from just about every possible ethnic background you could find in So Cal and I wouldn't have an ill thought in my head or heart if any of them happened to start dating a homegirl, let alone some random asian chick i dont even know.

[buLLetxx2]

lol most guys from other races would disagree with u though, if u went out with a black girl id guarantee, u will get jumped by some black dudes etc. thats why most people think asians are pussies because yall think like that, but i have to say its just the fact that those asian girls that luv white boys etc think asian dudes are inferior n shit..that pisses me off..but thats just my opninion

The first puppy love girlfriend I had at 14 was a black girl , she lived round the block from me at Poly Apartments, 20s hood. I used to walk her home after school a few times a week, and post up on the steps with her sometimes just kicking it, never not ever been jumped by no black fools over that. They never gave me so much as a gave me a second look when i was kicking it with her. If anything I got more looks and stares on my way back home from dropping her off on the solo, and those were less like a look cuz "that fool's dating a sista" and more like a "is that fool worth robbing? nah he looks broke as hell" kinda looks.

So nah, maybe if you lived in North Florida or Alabama or something you might get messed with over something like that, in places where racism (and "Reverse racism") is still prevalent but in cali, 2009, the only one's who trip are the ignorant ones.

[shing]

Don't trip on thonkoboy. It's hard to believe that you guys don't understand that nobody has more love for you than your own people. Racism is for ignorant people? Get real. It's always gonna be that way. Out here people pretend not to be racist, but deep down inside you know they'll pick their own race over yours.

[thonkoboy2000]

aha its cool i didnt realize alot of these foos had love for white people n shit well im not surprised about bullet though hes probably cambodian and loves black people more than his own people lol. but like i said, i got no respect for those asian girls that dont date asian foos cuz they look down on us in the first place and wtf does a inferiority complex got to with that homie? im just saying what if all asian girls marry white boys n shit who the fukc we got? black girls? lol

[buLLetxx2]

aha its cool i didnt realize alot of these foos had love for white people n shit well im not surprised about bullet though hes probably cambodian and loves black people more than his own people lol. but like i said, i got no respect for those asian girls that dont date asian foos because they look down on us in the first place and wtf does a inferiority complex got to with that homie? im just saying what if all asian girls marry white boys n shit who the #%@& we got? black girls? lol

Talking shit over the internet, generalized race based BS none the less is easy, don't get mad because you find it hard to get a girl. See?I can do it too. There's a difference between being proud of your ethnicity and heritage or viewing others as inferior or not fit to fit in. And yes, shing,racism is ignorance on so many levels. Choosing to ignore qualities and merits of a person as an individual and instead generalizing based on race is...ignorance.
That "no one is gonna have more love for you than your own people" shit is for the birds homie, no one is gonna have more love for me than my homies and fam, regardless of race, that's whats up. I save my hate for when I need it most, I get on some race shit when im locked up but not because I want to, because thats the way it is and has to be. Why in the world would I wanna segregate myself by choice on the outs? The urban area's in many places were designed to segregate, divide and conquer style, so why would I wanna give into that when I'm able to broaden my horizon?
I don't give a damn man, black girls, white girls, asian girls, whatever girls yo if you're happy with who you're with than props to you.

[thonkoboy2000]

aha its cool i didnt realize alot of these foos had love for white people n shit well im not surprised about bullet though hes probably cambodian and loves black people more than his own people lol. but like i said, i got no respect for those asian girls that dont date asian foos because they look down on us in the first place and wtf does a inferiority complex got to with that homie? im just saying what if all asian girls marry white boys n shit who the #%@& we got? black girls? lol

Talking shit over the internet, generalized race based BS none the less is easy, don't get mad because you find it hard to get a girl. See?I can do it too. There's a difference between being proud of your ethnicity and heritage or viewing others as inferior or not fit to fit in. And yes, shing,racism is ignorance on so many levels. Choosing to ignore qualities and merits of a person as an individual and instead generalizing based on race is...ignorance.
That "no one is gonna have more love for you than your own people" shit is for the birds homie, no one is gonna have more love for me than my homies and fam, regardless of race, that's whats up. I save my hate for when I need it most, I get on some race shit when im locked up but not because I want to, because thats the way it is and has to be. Why in the world would I wanna segregate myself by choice on the outs? The urban area's in many places were designed to segregate, divide and conquer style, so why would I wanna give into that when I'm able to broaden my horizon?
I don't give a damn man, black girls, white girls, asian girls, whatever girls yo if you're happy with who you're with than props to you.

bullet.. i didnt mean to talk mess in any way and i hope i did not hurt your feelings in anyway as well, but yeah i agree with u on the fact that fam and homies got your back than your own race, but the people from your own race will have your back then lets say a black guy, and yes im proud of my race, and you can go on about that martin luther king bullsh1t cuz i dont give a fukc about that, its asians against whites, hispanics, and blacks..in the pen and in the hood.. and yes i said i got no respect for asian girls who date white guys n shit cuz they got no respect for us asian dudes, thats my opnion and it aint gonna change

[buLLetxx2]

The hood is the hood and the pen is the pen, that's the life people chose to live and must live with it, that ain't life in general though. Asians fight asians and blacks fight blacks, mexicans fight mexicans, matter of fact on the street most violence is committed by people on their own people, racially speaking. So that has nothing to do with it, it's just plain ignorance to broadly state you have no respect for someone for dating outside their race.
Your argument doesn't hold up yo, another Khmer from another hood would not have love for me like a black dude I kick it with would, why? Because that's hood shit and race holds no weight. Thats understandable because...thats the life we lead but talking bout dating and love, that aint hood shit, that aint prison shit, that's life yo, and thats got nothing to do with prison politics or colors.

[thonkoboy2000]

aha i dont know how this all a talk about some racial shit , but yeah my lil homie was telling me in his high school all these asian girls would talk shit about asian dudes and he said they only like black guys, when i hear something like that i just feel like were not respected by them so why should i respect them..its their life so i dont care but i dont got any respect for them..i dont hate them just got no respect

[Proverbz]

the same goes for black men and black women. i used to work with a black guy who said he would never be with a black woman because they don't respect black men. that's why he only gets with white women. black women are always complaining that white women are taking away all the "good" brothas. lol. it's true too because if you look at all the black men who have money, they rarely marry a black woman. truth is that these brothas probably hate themselves with a passion. malcolm x wrote a piece on this issue. to all the sistas who are tired of these brothas ignoring them, don't worry, bullet will take care of ya. lol just playing. thonko you're from the harbor area and asian girls only wanna get with black guys? that's out of the ordinary. i could just picture all the pist off asian dads. i might be generalizing but usually the asian girls that ONLY get with black guys are like the trashiest asian girls that no asian guys want. they get fed up that no asian guys give them the attention or respect they want so they seek it out by dating a brotha. i used to know a small handful of girls like this and they had serious issues with themselves. i.e drugs, mental instability, broken family structure, you get the picture.

[682]

im agreeing with bullet on this subject. but i see where thonkoboy is coming from too now. originally when he said he dont respect asian girls who date white boys, that came off as a blanket statement to any asian girl dating a white boy. thats what i disagreed with and called racist. but for the asian girls who date white boys BECAUSE they talk shit about asian guys, well in that case f--k them. thats THEM being stupid for hating on their own race. and i wont respect those girls either. but not because theyre with a non-asian guy, but because theyre just f--king dumb and a sellout. im not gonna call someone a sellout for dating outside their race, but theyre a sellout when they practically disown their own race. racism is real and all around and will probably forever be around. i agree. and hell yeah im proud of my own race. but just cuz im proud of my race dont mean im gonna automatically put down another person because of their race. u can be proud and still respect other races. its just when they cross the line, thats when its on.

[thonkoboy2000]

the same goes for black men and black women. i used to work with a black guy who said he would never be with a black woman because they don't respect black men. that's why he only gets with white women. black women are always complaining that white women are taking away all the "good" brothas. lol. it's true too because if you look at all the black men who have money, they rarely marry a black woman. truth is that these brothas probably hate themselves with a passion. malcolm x wrote a piece on this issue. to all the sistas who are tired of these brothas ignoring them, don't worry, bullet will take care of ya. lol just playing. thonko you're from the harbor area and asian girls only wanna get with black guys? that's out of the ordinary. i could just picture all the pist off asian dads. i might be generalizing but usually the asian girls that ONLY get with black guys are like the trashiest asian girls that no asian guys want. they get fed up that no asian guys give them the attention or respect they want so they seek it out by dating a brotha. i used to know a small handful of girls like this and they had serious issues with themselves. i.e drugs, mental instability, broken family structure, you get the picture.

that lil homie went to a school in LA..i think around where theres alot of koreans..so yeah u wont see any white guys going to skool there so they all wanna be with black guys or even mexicans..he said the asian girls would strictly date blacks or latinos and not even talk to the asian homies..so i guess they want a black dad too huh? lol but yeah those type of b1tches wouldnt get any respect from me, but at the same time those girls that date white dudes n shit most likely look down on asian dudes to begin with..so yeah fukk them