Stanley Tookie Williams will be sentenced to death this year

[SkoobyDoo]

what was he convicted for? and what crip gang was he from? i know he and another guy started the crips, so maybe he wasnt from a specific crip set, anyone know?

I don't know about Tookie, but this is a quote from the article Alonso posted up:

December 1969: Raymond "Truck" Washington begins the "Cribs," the group that later becomes the East Side Crips near Fremont High School.

Where di dyou get that 1969 quote from?

[Anonymous20]

tookie probly dropped hella bodies before the murder he wuz convicted of, u just dont go somewhere with a shotgun and blow everybodys ass up if u aint never killed nobody before, regardless if u on sherm or not, even before the robberies he said he didnt care who wuz there he wuz gon shoot they ass........

and about most gang members getting caught for they murders i disagree, i'd say its about a %50 chance of getting caught...... depends on a lot of things but luck plays a factor.....

you are talking about today, there is about a 50% clearance, but as the years go on, for example the unsolved murders that occurred in 2004 will slowly get solved. By 2010, that number will rise to 60 - 65% of the murders of 2004 solved. And 20 years from now, could go up to 70 - 80% of the murders for 2004 will be solved. Los Angeles will not get 100% clearance for all murders in any one year, because some assailants end up getting killed themselves, and others go to prison for other killings, etc.

But in the 1970s there was not alot of murders, and most of the 1970s murders in Los Angeles have been solved, and no where has anyone every suggested that Tookie Williams was doing alot of killing back then. That's just my take on it. People are so influences by perceived reputations, that they hear one story, and they think they did so much more damage. There is just no such evidence.

Check out the Tookie TimeLine I wrote at:
http://www.streetgangs.com/newsletter/102605tookie.html

If you think I left anything out email it to me, not PM.

[stamps]

Dude rehabilitated and got the nobel peace prize I think we can let him off with life in prison instead of the death penaly... I dispute the fact that it was an all white jury.

He was "Nominated" for it,,,did not get it...

[Christina Marie]

Dude rehabilitated and got the nobel peace prize I think we can let him off with life in prison instead of the death penaly... I dispute the fact that it was an all white jury.

He was "Nominated" for it,,,did not get it...

I voted.

[Noog]

Tookie Williams, founder of Crips is to be executed on December the 13th at 12.01pm by lethal injection for the murders of four people committed mre than 25years ago. The only person who can stop the death ball rolling is the Terminator, Arnie Schwarzenegger...views please

[DOOBIE'S BACK]

NOT SOON ENOUGH

[Christina Marie]

NOT SOON ENOUGH

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

[MiChuhSuh]

Let Tookie also repent. He never apologized for the murders because he insists he never committed them. Even Alonso earlier said it's obvious he committed the murders, and Alonso's against the execution itself. If Tookie keeps pleading innocent, I don't see a way he will get clemency. If he apologizes soon enough so it's not obvious that he is just scared of dying, maybe Arnold will think about it (even though it is sort of close to the execution to make an appealing apology).

[DOOBIE'S BACK]

NOT SOON ENOUGH

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

RELAX HERO, IT'S MY OPINION. TAKE THAT BIBLE THUMPING HOLIER THAN THOU AND SHOVE IT

[qbone]

its all in gods hand best believe that . god forgives

[Christina Marie]

crstnamre wrote:
DOOBIE'S BACK wrote:
NOT SOON ENOUGH



"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."


RELAX HERO, IT'S MY OPINION. TAKE THAT BIBLE THUMPING HOLIER THAN THOU AND SHOVE IT

And that was my opinon, which I am also entitled to. Who do you think you are to judge a man (or woman) anyway?

Tookie is a better benefit to this world alive than dead and he is/would be an excellent spokesman to kids about the reasons NOT to get into gangs. And the kids are more likely to listen to and hear him BECAUSE of who he is.

[Noog]

Thats 100% right. I am of the view that Tookie is a good man, that regardless of his past, he is now a good man. Not just any good man, but a riteous man also. He is valuable alive, no use dead. Young people would listen to him, he knows the script better than most. If Tookie is murdered by the state, its evryones loss - to kill off part of the solution, madness! Peace be upon Tookie, a brother of the dispossesed everywhere.

[NW10]

Tookie is a good man...regardless of his past,

He is valuable alive, no use dead.

to kill off part of the solution, madness!

There's no method in the madness. To kill him will be detrimental in terms of gang prevention.

[Christina Marie]

Executing Tookie is only going to send the message that once you have f*cked up...thats it. Might as well keep on doing what madness you're doing because society is'nt going to forgive you anyway.

[MiChuhSuh]

Executing Tookie is only going to send the message that once you have f*cked up...thats it. Might as well keep on doing what madness you're doing because society is'nt going to forgive you anyway.

SO IS THIS HOW CAS$ES SHOULD BE DECIDED?!?!? BY WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT THINK?!?!

Tookie NEVER apologized for his murders. That is a fact, he keeps insisting he is "innocent". What claim to clemency or forgiveness does he have.

God still has his believers ask for forgiveness, Tookie insists he never killed anyone and ONLY apologizes for starting the gang, NOT for the murders.

[Christina Marie]

Executing Tookie is only going to send the message that once you have f*cked up...thats it. Might as well keep on doing what madness you're doing because society is'nt going to forgive you anyway.

SO IS THIS HOW CAS$ES SHOULD BE DECIDED?!?!? BY WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT THINK?!?!

Tookie NEVER apologized for his murders. That is a fact, he keeps insisting he is "innocent". What claim to clemency or forgiveness does he have.

God still has his believers ask for forgiveness, Tookie insists he never killed anyone and ONLY apologizes for starting the gang, NOT for the murders.

Have you read the court docs?? Are you aware that there was a complete lack of physical evidence??? If you would like to read it I can provide you the link.

['X']

Executing Tookie is only going to send the message that once you have f*cked up...thats it. Might as well keep on doing what madness you're doing because society is'nt going to forgive you anyway.

SO IS THIS HOW CAS$ES SHOULD BE DECIDED?!?!? BY WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT THINK?!?!

Tookie NEVER apologized for his murders. That is a fact, he keeps insisting he is "innocent". What claim to clemency or forgiveness does he have.

God still has his believers ask for forgiveness, Tookie insists he never killed anyone and ONLY apologizes for starting the gang, NOT for the murders.

Have you read the court docs?? Are you aware that there was a complete lack of physical evidence??? If you would like to read it I can provide you the link.

See if he or others who think like him actually read the court docs they would know the truth, and alot of people I hear say Took "never apologized" trip me out because I'm like damn was ya'll there? Did ya'll research this case and all the evidence or lack of evidence? If not, where are your assumptions coming from that he is guilty, and "need to apologize"? I hope not this bulls!@# ass media!

And another thing that trips me out is how so many people saying this brutha "needs to apologize", but I'm wondering how many of YOU have took your own advice and went back and "apologized" to those who could of been affected by some the s!@# you may have done in the past, or present.....

[Christina Marie]

Executing Tookie is only going to send the message that once you have f*cked up...thats it. Might as well keep on doing what madness you're doing because society is'nt going to forgive you anyway.

SO IS THIS HOW CAS$ES SHOULD BE DECIDED?!?!? BY WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT THINK?!?!

Tookie NEVER apologized for his murders. That is a fact, he keeps insisting he is "innocent". What claim to clemency or forgiveness does he have.

God still has his believers ask for forgiveness, Tookie insists he never killed anyone and ONLY apologizes for starting the gang, NOT for the murders.

Have you read the court docs?? Are you aware that there was a complete lack of physical evidence??? If you would like to read it I can provide you the link.

See if he or others who think like him actually read the court docs they would know the truth, and alot of people I hear say Took "never apologized" trip me out because I'm like damn was ya'll there? Did ya'll research this case and all the evidence or lack of evidence? If not, where are your assumptions coming from that he is guilty, and "need to apologize"? I hope not this bulls!@# ass media!

And another thing that trips me out is how so many people saying this brutha "needs to apologize", but I'm wondering how many of YOU have took your own advice and went back and "apologized" to those who could of been affected by some the s!@# you may have done in the past, or present.....

You have made two excellent points. I seriously doubt that the person has taken the time to read the court docs. I will post the link to that in case they feel like becoming fully informed. As for you're second point...I said the same thing above...and was told to shove my bible thumping as you can see.:roll:

[MiChuhSuh]

Executing Tookie is only going to send the message that once you have f*cked up...thats it. Might as well keep on doing what madness you're doing because society is'nt going to forgive you anyway.

SO IS THIS HOW CAS$ES SHOULD BE DECIDED?!?!? BY WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT THINK?!?!

Tookie NEVER apologized for his murders. That is a fact, he keeps insisting he is "innocent". What claim to clemency or forgiveness does he have.

God still has his believers ask for forgiveness, Tookie insists he never killed anyone and ONLY apologizes for starting the gang, NOT for the murders.

Have you read the court docs?? Are you aware that there was a complete lack of physical evidence??? If you would like to read it I can provide you the link.

See if he or others who think like him actually read the court docs they would know the truth, and alot of people I hear say Took "never apologized" trip me out because I'm like damn was ya'll there? Did ya'll research this case and all the evidence or lack of evidence? If not, where are your assumptions coming from that he is guilty, and "need to apologize"? I hope not this bulls!@# ass media!

And another thing that trips me out is how so many people saying this brutha "needs to apologize", but I'm wondering how many of YOU have took your own advice and went back and "apologized" to those who could of been affected by some the s!@# you may have done in the past, or present.....

You have made two excellent points. I seriously doubt that the person has taken the time to read the court docs. I will post the link to that in case they feel like becoming fully informed. As for you're second point...I said the same thing above...and was told to shove my bible thumping as you can see.:roll:

I had no part in saying "shove the bible thumping", just to clear that up.

Please post the link. As for X saying this I am brainwashed by the media, the media is all over Tookie's jock saying how great he is and how he should be granted clemency. I have never once seen an editorial or opinion slot in the news or newspaper on this subject which hasn't tried to convince people Tookie should be free. Please show me an article or post a link to an article of someone arguing against Tookie, I bet it is one out of a hundred other articles on the subject.

As for being "fully aware", alonso is very well educated on the matter and even he says that the evidence against Tookie is "overwhelming." And this is coming from someone who also protests the execution.

[Christina Marie]

9th circuit court opinion.
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/9B878DF6D6261E8F88256F9C00008543/$file/9999018o.pdf?openelement

I will track down the original trial docs tomorrow.

['X']

9th circuit court opinion.
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/9B878DF6D6261E8F88256F9C00008543/$file/9999018o.pdf?openelement

I will track down the original trial docs tomorrow.

['X']

As for X saying this I am brainwashed by the media.

Nope, never said "you was brainwashed" by the media. I asked where did YOU(not alonso) get your facts from that this brutha is guilty? I wanted to know if YOU researched this case and all the evidence or lack of evidence involved? And you still didnt answer that, but anyway...And why should he apologize? And for those who saying he should have YA'LL did the same to those who YOU ALL possibly have wrong? And if not, why speak on what this brutha SHOULD do?

alonso is very well educated on the matter and even he says that the evidence against Tookie is "overwhelming." And this is coming from someone who also protests the execution.

How you know what this cat is "very well educated on"? I was asking for those who say he SHOULD "apologize", have you all done the research for YOURSELF? Or was you all there to witness the alledged crimes to judge this brutha and say what he SHOULD do?

Aiight Peace...

[Anonymous20]

i heard that there were crime scene photos of the 4 victims on the net some where. Has anyone sen them?

[Christina Marie]

i heard that there were crime scene photos of the 4 victims on the net some where. Has anyone sen them?

I will see if I can track them down for you.

[MiChuhSuh]

i heard that there were crime scene photos of the 4 victims on the net some where. Has anyone sen them?

I saw three of the photos, I don't know about the fourth. And I have to say, it's a nasty scene.

I forgot the sight, I saw this about a year ago, I will post them oncie I get them.

By the way, the site talks about how in 2000 the police recorded a conversation Tookie had with this one dude who visited him in San Quentin and basically Tookie was trying to order this guy to have a hit on someone.

The police decided not to fully investiagate this since not only did the person refuse teh order (the police report didn't release his name), but on top of that Tookie already has a death sentence, so why pursure more charges.

[Christina Marie]

I have tried to track the photos down. So far no luck.

[MiChuhSuh]

I tried to find the same website, but they aren't there anymore, either they shut down or they moved.

[Anonymous20]

Albert Owens, 26, was killed in the 7-11 store, shot with a 12 gage shotgun



Tsai-Shen Yang, 63, was shot once in the upper body, and once in the base of her spine, killing her instantly.



Ye-Chen Lin, 43 was shot once in the head

[Common Sense]

These pictures are horrific, but at least Mr. Williams was able to live longer than his three victims.

[kg_loco1]

dam that last one she got her head blown off literally whoever did it

[Christina Marie]

dam that last one she got her head blown off literally whoever did it

The effects of a shotgun at close range.

[North Face]

Albert Owens, 26, was killed in the 7-11 store, shot with a 12 gage shotgun



Tsai-Shen Yang, 63, was shot once in the upper body, and once in the base of her spine, killing her instantly.



Ye-Chen Lin, 43 was shot once in the head

None of those pictures seemed to be gang related. But uma read more about what actually happened.