Which Gangs in New York City are official?

[perongregory]

Ima speak on this from an outsiders point of view. And since my city drops more bodies than Chicago, LA AND NY I can speak on it without a bias. New York basically originated gangbanging. Now before ya'll west coast niggas try whining and bitching read the rest of this post first. Back even before the Black Panthers fell apart in Cali New York had large sections of the city under control of different gangs. With so many immigrants coming into the city (especially during the Depression) and large ghettos being formed it was pretty much natural for groups of people to ban together to protect themselves and their hoods. Even during the 80's and early 90's when LA was getting mad press for the Blood and Crip shit, New York still had their own gangs like The Black Spades and The Deceptaconz. New York during the late 80's and early 90's was a warzone. Nowadays, not so much. These days NYC is mostly a bandwagon city. There are thousands of niggas out there looking like clowns, disrespecting the real NYC gangstas by copying what they see on Colors and Boys in the Hood. Not to say that theres no real gangstas in New York but the majority are false flagging. LA gangbanging basically revolutionized gangs across the country. Although colors were being used even before Crips and Bloods came about, LA sets did it to such an extent that other gangs across the country started to pick which color they liked better out of red and blue.

you from philly and we know how most niggas from the east either jump on the hate LA bandwagon from ny or get behind Ny when it comes to LA, so you not unbiased. and if you think LA gangs started with b's and c's, then you got it fucked up. The truth is LA has the oldest modern street gngs, meaning niggas pushing narcotic, identifying with a hood, havin different cliques, identifyin with names, throwin up signs, numbers, and colors, grafitti, etc. Check the mexican hoods out over here. and if you wanna go back to those white european immigrant gangs in Ny, well we can get back to the bandit gangs, and outlaw gangs in the west out here as well.

[Silencioso]

Chicago is the birth place of the modern hardcore gang. I'm from L.A. but that's just reality. VL's, Stones and Disciples in the 60's created the whole super gang concept of big gangs with alot of factions before Crips, Pirus and Bloods had even been created. Chicago had 150 gang related homicides in 1968 mostly due to wars between Stones and Disciples or Vice Lords and Cobras. The first L.A. black gang homicide wasn't until 1972.

NY has had gangs since at least the 1840's. That pre dates the wild west era.


Now if we're talking contemporary gangster style, then L.A. is definately the center of US gang culture. The current gangster style of today is definately rooted in L.A.

This doc. breaks it down: Nothing like this was going on in L.A. during the 60's.

[NorthPhilly]

I agree with Silencioso.

And who said I was jumping on the Hate LA bandwagon fool? Niggas from Philly don't respect NY niggas for biting
LA gangs man, I'm just telling it how it is.

[perongregory]

Chicago is the birth place of the modern hardcore gang. I'm from L.A. but that's just reality. VL's, Stones and Disciples in the 60's created the whole super gang concept of big gangs with alot of factions before Crips, Pirus and Bloods had even been created. Chicago had 150 gang related homicides in 1968 mostly due to wars between Stones and Disciples or Vice Lords and Cobras. The first L.A. black gang homicide wasn't until 1972.

NY has had gangs since at least the 1840's. That pre dates the wild west era.


Now if we're talking contemporary gangster style, then L.A. is definately the center of US gang culture. The current gangster style of today is definately rooted in L.A.

This doc. breaks it down: Nothing like this was going on in L.A. during the 60's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVYKe8aX2wM

I dig, but silencsio you mexican and you didn't even hit the mexican half of street gangster culture in LA.

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BPS E.A.S.T RED FAMILY IN NEW YORK ARE AUTHENTIC BLACK P STONES THEY ARENT BLOODS IN NY

[Qdawg]

The only red family known in ny is red fam piru.

[BG MLOCO]

same here, most bps in nyc claim blood, and rock gang, most ur in harlem, a few in qnz a few in bk, alot in rikers.

[Qdawg]

i keep telling niggahs that 95% of stones in ny claim blood..niggahs outta town be thinking they be claiming peoples

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i keep telling niggahs that 95% of stones in ny claim blood..niggahs outta town be thinking they be claiming peoples

HOW ACCURATE ISTHIS:
BPS East
In 1995, A Black Muslim.ipant in the R.E.D. Family movement within the BPS, founded BPS East along with twenty others in New York. These men under Geebil's leadership convinced other Black gang members, particularly the East Coast Bloods to join BPS. BPS East(R.E.D. Family Stones)are very Islamic and Black Nationalistic, therefore they are allies with another Black Muslim group, the Five Percenters. Many people don't know that the reason why many East Coast Bloods claim the five pointed star is that they took it from BPS East, because some of their members joined BPS. Although most R.E.D. Family BPS members on the East are just BPS, there are some who claim Bloods and a few that claim Vice Lords. The reason why some BPS East members are Bloods because many of their earliest members were East Coast Bloods also, they also have a very close alliance with the East Coast Bloods. The reason why some BPS East members are Vice Lords is that during the late 1980s when many members of El Rukn were incarcerated many of them began to integrate with the Vice Lords because of their larger numbers and because they were both allies under People Nation. BPS East is a mostly Chicago based BPS set. Their rivals are Crips, Gangster Disciples,Dominicans Don't Play, and White Power Skinheads. Main Article: Black P. Stone East2RED is one who is on the east, holding it down for the future stone; so that they will know the truth about stone and why that 5 is almighty. Black stone east is not blood or vice lord it is stone on the east coast

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_P._Stones

I READ SOME OF THE OTHER SHIT BUTIT HAS FLAWS HOW OLD IS T RODGERS?

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OR THIS:


The Black P. Stone East or Black Stone East are a group of individuals, often described by law enforcement as a large criminal street gang, operating on the East Coast of the United States that is a splinter group of the original Almighty Black P. Stones Nation (BPSN) based in Chicago.



History and Character
The Almighty Black P (Peace, Philosophy, People) Stone Nation traces its roots to the St. Charles state reform school in Chicago, Illinois during 1960, where it was formed by Eugene Hairston and Jeff Fort under the name Blackstone Rangers. This original group spread througout the United States, resulting in numerous sub-sets, or families, that maintain loose cultural affiliations with the original Chicago gang while operating under individual leadership. The so-called Red Family is the revolution that is credited with creating the Black Stone East, with the acronym R.E.D. standing for "Revolution Enlightens us Deeply" or "Revolution Escapes Destruction". Later, the Red family (R.E.D. Revolution) expanded and developed into the BPS-East, with "East" meaning "Enlightenment About Stone Teachings". Although leadership tends to fluctuate, Abdul Geebil Wekundu Kaaba (an African-American Muslim) from Chicago is respected in the Red Family known as Black Stone East. It is alleged that he founded the east coast set of BPSN along with twenty other members he "enlightened" into the Stone teachings. The Black P Stone East are not part of the nationwide Bloods gang (unlike Black P Stone splinter groups in Los Angeles, who are Bloods), although they are both considered a part of the People Nation.[1]

On the east coast, Black P. Stone East members wear everthing to the left and consider their gang as part of a larger religious movement. An accurate estimation of BSE activity has been difficult for law enforcement to determine, parcially because BSE are often confused as members of the Bloods gang which has established a large presence on the east coast in recent years

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i keep telling niggahs that 95% of stones in ny claim blood..niggahs outta town be thinking they be claiming peoples

THE 95% THAT CLAIM BLOOD FOLLOW T RODGERS RIGHT AND NOT CHIEF MALIK? DO THEY GET ALONG WITH THE LESSER 5%?

[Qdawg]

majority of stones in ny never heard of chief malik(maybe now they do since the american gangster & gangland episode's that came on tv)

[NYPDThugSnatcher]

Gangbanging and drive-by shootings are phrases that you rarely if EVER hear mentioned here in NYC. We have our retaliatory shootings, random violence, drug-turf disputes etc, but gangbanging as it is practiced in the West is not part of the culture of NYC, this is just a totally different world then out west. For the most part we have alot of wannabees and small block and neighborhood cliques who like most "gang members" need to have a sense of belonging. These same groups just take it upon themselves to stamp their particular crews with the names of popular gangs or criminal groups (i.e.bloods, crips, Latin-Kings YAWN).

[BxxMILITIA]

Man that gang bangin shit out here is wack...not only bangin out here, I think bangin period is for dumb mothafukas....I would never bang over a dumb ass color, out here real niggas bang 4 only 1 color n that's that green paper...let them niggas out west kill each other over dumb ass rags, real niggas from nyc kno that shit don't roc out here....we do have cliques tho, almost on every block...in other words we have block gangs, I respect that kuz block gangs have always been a part on ny, out here niggas jus claim they block n that's it...I could give a fu*k about bloods or crips, ill never bang 4 some shit that aint even nyc shit...if we gonna start bangin, we should bang on the bitch ass nypdK....fu*k the police, pigs only fu*k with us kuz they got that badge n that gun, but they won't ever come out they face if they were regular pedestrians, they kno that...the only people that become cops are the pussies that always got their asses whooped in the street and couldn't do jack shit about it....FU*K the POLICE!!! If u an nypd thug snatcher, I'm nypd KILLER....fuk yall!!!

[BlueCadillaC167]

Yo bxx chill. theres probaly pigs doin they lil research on this web-site.

[Blackwall]

PUPPET aka P-KARNAGE WAS 1 HALF OF VENUM & KARNAGE OR V.K. THE FIRST WEST COAST EAST COAST GROUP FOUNDED IN 1997. PUPPET DIED 3 YEARS LATER. THE DEATH OF PUPPET CAUSED KIIDD aka T-VENUM TO CONTINUE THE MOVEMENT IN THE NAME OF HIS BEST FRIEND & BIG HOMIE D.O.G. PUPPET LOKO
79 Main Street

D.O.G. PUPPET LOKO HISTORY


PUPPET WAS A BORN MEMBER OF THE 79MADD SWANS ONE OF THE FIRST FIVE BLOOD SETS HE MOVED FROM L.A. TO AURORA WERE HE FOUNDED the FIRST ¢OLORADO 79 MADD SWAN SET S.E.A.(SOUTH EAST AURORA) UNTIL PUPPET HAD TO GO ON THE RUN FROM THERE HE WENT DOWN SOUTH TO HUSTLE WITH HIS ¢OUSIN WA¢10 WHO WAS ALSO ON THE RUN WA¢ WAS GETTING MONEY WITH HIS 3RD POUND HOMIES FROM THE BRONX . PUPPET & WA¢ ENDED UP ON THE RUN ON¢E AGAIN FOR MURDER AND WENT TO STAY ON 183rd IN The BRONX N.Y. WERE PUPPET FOUNDED THE FIRST NEW YORK 79 MADD SWAN SET WHI¢H LATER BE¢AME S.F.B.(SWANN FAMILY BLOOD) D.O.G. PUPPET LOKO DIED IN 2000 HIS BROTHER LANY BLOOD TOOK OVER AS O.G. IN 2007 LIL PUPPET LOKO WAS MADE Y.O.G.


NEW YORK 79 MADD SWAN HISTORY


LIL PUPPET LOKO WAS THE FIRST NEW YORK 79 MADD SWAN. AFTER THE DEATH OF D.O.G. PUPPET LOKO IN 2000 LANKY BLOOD GAVE LIL PUPPET THE GREEN LIGHT TO START A N.Y. SET. ONLY 13 MEMBERS ¢OULD ¢LAME 79 MADD SWAN THE REST WERE UNITED UNDER THE SWANN FAMILY BLOODS (S.F.B.). 40 DOO WOP WAS THE FIRST TO ¢OME HOME UNDER LIL PUPPET. THE N.Y. 79 M.S.B. WERE ONE OF THE FIRST WEST SIDE SETS IN N.Y. TO FLAG ON THE LEFT AND WEAR BURGUNDY OR TAN FLAGS FOR THIS THE N.Y. M.S.B. GAINED THE RESPE¢T OF THE OTHER WEST SIDE SET IN N.Y. WHEN THE N.Y. M.S.B. ATTENDED THERE FIRST WEST SIDE MEETING IN THE BRONX D.O.G. PUPPET LOKO’S SET WAS RE¢OGNIZED AS AN OFFI¢IAL SET BY THE WEST SIDE SETS OF THE EAST ¢OAST IN 2000 AND WAS THE FIRST AND ONLY OFFI¢IAL 79 MADD SWAN SET IN NEW YORK. THE N.Y. 79 M.S.B. SET ORIGINATED ON 183rd st and GRAND ave 183rd WAS THE TURF OF 18 TREY A U.B.N. SET FOUNDED BY O.G. MAK. AFTER MANY DISPUTES WITH MEMBERS OF U.B.N. O.G. MAK RE¢OGNIZED THAT THE N.Y. 79 M.S.B. WAS NOT GOING ANY WERE WITH OUT A FIGHT SO HE FINALLY GAVE THEM THERE RE¢OGNITION AS AN OFFI¢IAL N.Y. 79 M.S.B. SET. THE S.F.B. RAN FROM 183rd & GRAND to 179th & GRAND THERE WERE ALSO MEMBERS ON THE GRAND CONCOURSE, UNIVERSITY AVE, EDENWALD PROJECTS, GUN HILL RD & HARLEM. LATER THERE WERE MEMBERS IN P.A. & UPSTATE N.Y. IN 2007 LIL PUPPET LOKO ¢ONNECTED WITH D.O.G. 79 MADD SWAN FROM THE ORIGINAL 79th st SET ON THE WEST ¢OAST D.O.G. RABBIT WHO RE¢ONIZED D.O.G. PUPPET LOKO’S 79 M.S.B. SET AS OFFI¢IAL.
79 MADD SWAN

DONT KNOW IF ITS FALSE OR NOT

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majority of stones in ny never heard of chief malik(maybe now they do since the american gangster & gangland episode's that came on tv)

[penout]

New York is having a serious indentity crisis..............

Facts:

1. Claiming to be a blood or crip orginated in La.

2. The slang originated in LA

3. The norms and behaviors orignated in LA

4. The history run deeps in LA.

Even if NYC claims to real because they learned it from their NYC OG's, well those OG's where jocking LA. I dont care if it came from prison. Its an LA Lifestyle that NYC copied, that cannt be denied. Its like a house, NYC Blood and Crip Gangs, the majority dont have a real foundation.

Fact:

If you start a fake blood gang LA, you will be wiped out.
If you start a fake blood gang in NYC, nothing happens, thats why you have all those fake sets with no history or ties to LA.

Its a fad, yea them dudes across the way is 92 Harlem Bloods, well we been beefin since they fucked my baby momma, so I'm gonna get a set be called Rolling 50's MLK Crips, recruit my cousins and them....Come on yall get real.

Real equals Real

You can't get realness from so much fakeness. Goto LA and play fake blood, they are gonna blow your head off....goto NYC play fake blood and you will be invited to an annual blood picnic in harlem.

Now thats not to say that there arent any real Blood or Crips in NYC Tri-state with LA connections. But if you have 50 sets in NYC(hypothecially) then what maybe 5 of those have real ties to LA. Thats nothing to be proud of or defend. The real NYC bloods and crips should ashamed and embarrased. if anything I would expect that they would shut these fake sets down, if they are so real and connected to Cali.

The fact is a real blood or crip could goto LA, find an unoccupied corner, recruit locally and have a set. Let an NYC blood or crip goto LA and do the same thing. The couldnt pull it off. Let these so called NYC OG's goto LA and start a set.

You dudes in NYC are not thinking logically. I'd give yall the benefit of the doubt if it was a few blood and crip sets, but its a damn trend, not a necessary or traditional way of life. Why dont the so called real NYC connected gang members set up and put an end to these fake sets, thats what would happen in LA.

Just my two cents...............

[penout]

Correction:

The fact is a real blood or crip could goto NYC, find an unoccupied corner, recruit locally and have a set. Let an NYC blood or crip goto LA and do the same thing. The couldnt pull it off. Let these so called NYC OG's goto LA and start a set.

[BROWNCHUCCS]

officials in NY?:

E/S 20's...
W/S 20's nhb...27th street i think.
LLP
CPP
MOB Ru...1800 blk..idk bout 1600 blk.
55 NHC


uhhh its more..cant think of dem shits right now tho



Questionables:
1O3rd GSWC
6Os
9Os
4Os
3Os
ECC
ETG
BSV
BHB
PBGC

etc...too many to name.

[BROWNCHUCCS]

definately not buyin the fact that streets in Cali piru, 60. etc...are official sets in NY.

ahahaha, the thing is that u a Boston nigga so why would it matter....but im tellin you that they are official Ru's, Bloods, And Crips In NY, real LA niggas went there, not on no myspace recruitment shit or nuthin like that cuhz..take it or leave it cuhz.

[BROWNCHUCCS]

officials in NY?:

E/S 20's...
W/S 20's nhb...27th street i think.
LLP
CPP
MOB Ru...1800 blk..idk bout 1600 blk.
55 NHC


uhhh its more..cant think of dem shits right now tho



Questionables:
1O3rd GSWC
6Os
9Os
4Os
3Os
ECC
ETG
BSV
BHB
PBGC

etc...too many to name.

and LLP suppose to read LPP...my fault on the lil typo cuhz.

[Hell]

officials in NY?:

E/S 20's...
W/S 20's nhb...27th street i think.
LLP
CPP
MOB Ru...1800 blk..idk bout 1600 blk.
55 NHC


uhhh its more..cant think of dem shits right now tho



Questionables:
1O3rd GSWC
6Os
9Os
4Os
3Os
ECC
ETG
BSV
BHB
PBGC

etc...too many to name.

I know that BHB,R20s & brims are official in N.Y

[BROWNCHUCCS]

officials in NY?:

E/S 20's...
W/S 20's nhb...27th street i think.
LLP
CPP
MOB Ru...1800 blk..idk bout 1600 blk.
55 NHC


uhhh its more..cant think of dem shits right now tho



Questionables:
1O3rd GSWC
6Os
9Os
4Os
3Os
ECC
ETG
BSV
BHB
PBGC

etc...too many to name.

I know that BHB,R20s & brims are official in N.Y

What Brims? I Kno The W/S 59 Brims is fake out there for the simple fact "W/S 59 Brim" doesnt exist anymore.

i doubt theres HPB's out there and if so what clicc do they rep?

theres FTBs? out there? if so they're prolly official.

and i doubt theres any VNGB's out there either for the simple fact dem niggas got more important shit to worry bout out west than puttin on NY niggas.


and yea 20's is official on both sides of the fence Crips and Bloods.....bloods eitha rep 7th street or 25th i cant rember but its one of the two.....and yea ive heard that BHB is official and they got 5 Lines out there, but idk how true that is...They in the Bronx right?

[Myself]

ive heard and seen official reconized BLOOD sets /gangs in NEWYORK that LOS ANGELES tied
ALL THESE SETS GO BACK AND FOURTH TO LA and NY :

BHB - 5 lines , lotboys
892 family swanz
centinela park pirus
52 Pueblo Bishops
Nhb 20s
Leuders park piru
fruit town pirus

CRIPS THAT ARE KNOWN WITH CALIFORNIA TIES IN N.Y. :

Rollin 30's
underground
Lynwood NHC - one member
Paybacc

ALL THESE N.Y. SETS HAVE WELL KNOWN TIES ESTABLISHED -

OTHER SETS IN N.Y. " HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN OR AUTHENTICIZED " AND ARE FALSE CLAIMING NON-OFFICIAL SETS FROM EITHER ONLINE STUDYING OR MYSPACE OR BOOK , DVDs .

CAN ANYONE SPEAK ON ANY OTHER STATES EASTERN OR SOUTHERN ??

[Myself]

The GRAPES in newyork are NOT - OFFICIAL / FALSE CLAIMERS

The GRAPES in newjersey have ties to jordan downs in cali

like ol boy said there are too many to name in newyork that are not tied to california , that just popped up on there own.

if anybody can elightend us on other states of proven ties and no ties. cause the influence and fad is very strong.

[BROWNCHUCCS]

^^Them HMC(NYC 30's) aint connected to us whoeva told u that is a liar chz,....basically for the main reason these niggas claim they where brought over there in the 80's and the claim the Dirt Gang but hte thing is the whole "Dirt Gang" thing wasnt around the time they claim to have been set up...them niggas sum frauds cuhz.

[Myself]

i heard various stories about 30 crips in harelm they migrated with some belizeans and a dude named whitehorse from cali

[Myself]

they been claiming in newyork so long and nobody ever outright denied knowing any of them from cali.... they history could be questionable but since the 80s...uhmm hey if you say so ? is anybody from harlem 30s in newyork on this site that can speak up ?

[Myself]

there are a whole lot of fakes who take california names of neighborhood sets /cliques to SOUND like there official but they are the fakest ones that used to be the Nyc phonies .......

[Myself]

there are a whole lot of fakes who take california names of neighborhood sets /cliques to SOUND like there official but they are the fakest ones that used to be the Nyc phonies .......

[Myself]

there are a whole lot of fakes who take california names of neighborhood sets /cliques to SOUND like there official but they are the fakest ones that used to be the Nyc phonies .......