New York is not America's Safest City

[UrbanStreets]

I'm going to provide you with a professiona's insight.

New York is not America's safest city, not even close. It's not even the safest big city, Los Angeles is on the verge of taking over that spot. New York is home to the most dangerous urban neighborhoods in America, such as East New York, East Harlem, Soundview, Bed-Stuy, Bushwick, South Jamaica, Queensbridge, Brownsville and Hunts Point. These all have higher murder rates than Compton, CA. The pictures posted were not in the South Bronx, they were further west near the LI Sound where it has always been more private.

For those of you who actually believe these stats, shame on you. Who comes up with this? The police departments. The police departments provide the FBI with crime statistics and usually they lie, especially NYPD, New Orleans PD and Philly PD.

As for rappers, they all think they're "badasses," but we all know they're not. A real badass is a police officer. These guys are morally conscious, caring and will take the heat if they screw up, unlike the babies out running around in Brooklyn and Compton acting as if they run the streets, but really they run like hunted deer when the police pull up.

50 Cent, Ja Rule, etc. all grew up in the NYC of the 80s and 90s, when it was extremely dangerouns in EVERY neighborhood. Now that they cleaned up Times Square, Midtown, Downtown, the UES and UWS, people think NYC is a glistening gem as the Disney World centerpiece.

Grow up, America. I work for the U.S. government and study criminal justice and crime ranging from organized to raw street.

Also, for those of you who think New Yorkers are soft, think again. Crime does not equal a hard person, when you live in such a cramped city you can't help but become tougher. Most of you are living in a house in your so-called ghetto, but ew Yorkers are living in a 400 sq. ft. apartment with 3 other families using the same bathroom, same kitchen, same living room, same damn shower. New Yorkers = soft? Not a chance.

I'm a native of Los Angeles, CA, and I know for a fact that Angelenos are a soft bunch, with nothing but an elderly and soccer mom population making a noticeable accumulation there.

[$outhPhillypuppet]

In the later parts of your post you talked about living conditions and said that makes a person "tough" and i agree to a point.
As you said crime doesn't equal a tough person and i agree but bad living conditions doesn't equal a tough person either.
Yeah shitty living conditions can make a person mentally tough but not all people that have shitty living conditions develop that mental toughness.

[AllhoodPublications]

I guess Compton and Watts aren't considered crowded based on what, high rise buildings?

Gee, it must have been a breeze groing up in Aliso Village, Hawaiian Gardens, The Pueblos, Nickerson Gardens, Jordan Downs, Imperial Courts, The Bottoms, between Avalon and Central from the 20's to the Compton...

I wonder why 50 recruited G-Unit Crips out of ECC and Avalon Gardens Housing Projects instead of carrying on like Biggie... seems like someone has an infactuation with the softness of Los Angeles.. hindering his thought process.

[Silencioso]

I suppose you're going to say NY has more gangs than LA next. Chicago is the hardest big city (million or more people) in my opinion, then Detroit, Philly, L.A., Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix, SF Bay Area then lastly NY.

[UrbanStreets]

I suppose you're going to say NY has more gangs than LA next. Chicago is the hardest big city (million or more people) in my opinion, then Detroit, Philly, L.A., Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix, SF Bay Area then lastly NY.

You're totally off.

1) Detroit
2) Philly
3) Chicago
4) Oakland
5) New York
6) Houston
7) Dallas
Phoenix
9) Los Angeles
10) San Antonio

My career field involves determining the most dangerous urban neighborhoods and cities. When you ONLY judge cities bad neighborhoods, New York has the most dangerous urban neighborhood, Hunts Point, with a murder rate of approximately 100 per 10,000, while Compton is approximately 40 per 100,000.

[UrbanStreets]

Damn, before "Phoenix" I meant to put # 8, not the guy with the glasses.

[UrbanStreets]

I guess Compton and Watts aren't considered crowded based on what, high rise buildings?

Gee, it must have been a breeze groing up in Aliso Village, Hawaiian Gardens, The Pueblos, Nickerson Gardens, Jordan Downs, Imperial Courts, The Bottoms, between Avalon and Central from the 20's to the Compton...

I wonder why 50 recruited G-Unit Crips out of ECC and Avalon Gardens Housing Projects instead of carrying on like Biggie... seems like someone has an infactuation with the softness of Los Angeles.. hindering his thought process.

Did I say it was a breeze? No, but are they mentally tough? Eh, not compared to the people living in New York, Chicago and Philly tenements. Not only do these people live below the poverty level while living in a multi-family, 1 br place in Soundview, but they also have to deal with your everyday gang violence and you can literally poke a hole through the walls of these buildings with a pen. Every day the kids living in these tenements have the displeasure of experiencing next door domestic violences and due to the lack of reliable insulation the noise is only more audible and the air is only colder.

And I love LA, I was born and raised there. But one thing it is not is "tough."

[A Ghost]

From what Ive heard Watts is like the West Coast Detroit....

[A Ghost]

A New York City hood is no harder than any other hood in the country.

Period.

Ive talked to plenty of New Yorkers and they all say that its nothing compared to what it used to be like in the 70's and 80's.

[rocstar]

New York has the most dangerous urban neighborhood, Hunts Point, with a murder rate of approximately 100 per 10,000, while Compton is approximately 40 per 100,000.

lol he has to be one of the funniest to come along in awhile. 100 per 10,000? NY has had less than 500 murders this year so you a professional who studies these types of things are saying that out of 500 murders in a city of 8 million people 100 of those can be attributed to an area of only 10,000 people? Your projects got more people than that in them correct? So an area smaller than one project is responsible for almost a 4th of all NYC's murders? You should go back and recheck your 15 years of police files and stats you have been traveling the country with. If that was the case NY would definately be the safest big city in maybe the world. You miss those two corners and you have the same chances of survival that you would have in a Canadian city lol.

[STWilkes]

I don't consider any cities in America dangerous after having seen the ones in Iraq. Even before Saddam was ousted they were 10 times more dangerous than ANY American city. As goes for Central and South American cities, lots of gangs, smugglers, guerillas and in all of those places EVERY cop is crooked. The criminals pretty much run some of the cities in Central and South America. As for Iraq, they run parts of Baghdad, but we've been cracking down on them. They don't really stand a chance against our arsenal.

[STWilkes]

Oh and you wanna talk about living conditions. The Iraqis would KILL for tenement housing, Iraqis live in hardened mud huts with 5 sometimes 6 or 7 families living in one. And space is something they don't have, about 300-400 sq feet for each hut, no indoor plumbing, no electricity, no air conditioning whatsoever. It's 120 degrees during the day at 90-100 at night. And to top it off, they're all to afraid to set even one foot on their streets. Because in those neighboorhoods are where the insurgents live. And they will kill anyone who opposes them and more often than not they will kill civilians who don't oppose them...just to send a message to everyone else that they're still in town.

[UrbanStreets]

New York has the most dangerous urban neighborhood, Hunts Point, with a murder rate of approximately 100 per 10,000, while Compton is approximately 40 per 100,000.

lol he has to be one of the funniest to come along in awhile. 100 per 10,000? NY has had less than 500 murders this year so you a professional who studies these types of things are saying that out of 500 murders in a city of 8 million people 100 of those can be attributed to an area of only 10,000 people? Your projects got more people than that in them correct? So an area smaller than one project is responsible for almost a 4th of all NYC's murders? You should go back and recheck your 15 years of police files and stats you have been traveling the country with. If that was the case NY would definately be the safest big city in maybe the world. You miss those two corners and you have the same chances of survival that you would have in a Canadian city lol.

New York has not had less than 500 murders this year. And due to the organized crime in this city, we estimate about 900-1400 murders is a more accurate conclusion.

New York's murderrates as a whole is not 100 per 100,000. If you read my post you'd realize that.

New York is not even close to being the safest city in the world. And actually, according to the most recent stats, LA will take over the Safest City in America slot in 2 years, possibly less. New York is actually experiencing a slight increase in crime.

And yes, New York is better than it was in the 70s and 80s. The neighborhoods went from being THE WORST to being ONE OF THE WORST, and actually, Hunts Point in NYC is the most dangerous urban neighborhood in America, with a murder rate of about 100 per 100,000, which I clearly stated yesterday.

[UrbanStreets]

If you went to college maybe you'dhave a clue.

But we have seen a trend for the past 100 years. In the early-1900s the South Bronx was a shithole, but in the 20s, 30s and 40s hey gentrified it. Then in the 50s, 60s, 70s it became a shithole again. Then it gentrified again (present day). It's all a pattern, but people are too optimistic, stupid or just plain careless to realize this trend that has been noticed by the government for the past 75+ years.

[Mcminister]

hunters point is realy realy dangerous..and lol@ that foo comparin a modern country to a third world country.

in my opinion ..the bay area , LA county and New orleans have the most dangerous neighborhoods

oakland's elmhurst hood ..actually the whole eastoakland is like a jungle...anything bout to happen u don wana get caught slippin in the ville..its like them niggaz is organised they wana rob foo's walkin down the street...like its in their nature ;..c u and rob u..its not liek other cities ud have to run up to a robber. or somthin.....niggaz is crazy they go dumb..and shoot police like its nothin....n best beleive wen someone get shot it wont be long till someon else get it coz oakland niggaz all bout retaliation....the alley ways hella scary...u must be packin a gun if u walkin by ya self fo sure.......u foo's wont understand wat im sayin but im pretty sure the police cover up murders coz foo's be gettin got all the time...im tellin u mistaken identity murders happen, niggaz catch strays ...east oakland fucked up....foothill,brookfield, the ville, seminary,Sobrante Park, im tellin u them places the most dangerous in this bitch

richmond, the crestside vallejo, man shit is fucked in the bay im tellin u

[$outhPhillypuppet]

I don't consider any cities in America dangerous after having seen the ones in Iraq. Even before Saddam was ousted they were 10 times more dangerous than ANY American city. As goes for Central and South American cities, lots of gangs, smugglers, guerillas and in all of those places EVERY cop is crooked. The criminals pretty much run some of the cities in Central and South America. As for Iraq, they run parts of Baghdad, but we've been cracking down on them. They don't really stand a chance against our arsenal.

im pretty sure we all know or have a general idea about how fucked up it is outside the U.S.
thats why this thread is about Americas most dangerous/safe city.

[Mcminister]

LA county i dono much but acordin to the news..lol

new orleans i already kno...in htown these niggaz came and the crime wen up like 30 percent and in some neighborhoods like 100%,

n u alrready kno annacostia is finna be on the list...SE DC proly contributes to 80% of DC crimes ...its hella while niggaz wen'em drug niggaz beefin

but ain no other place like oakland...crips and bloods don even work good ova thre

[UrbanStreets]

Oakland is bad. It's the 4th most dangerous city in America. But Detroit, Michigan; St. Louis, Missouri; and Flint, Michigan are worse. Camden, New Jersey is 5th.

Africa is dangerous, especially Johannesburg.

[UrbanStreets]

hunters point is realy realy dangerous..and lol@ that foo comparin a modern country to a third world country.

in my opinion ..the bay area , LA county and New orleans have the most dangerous neighborhoods

oakland's elmhurst hood ..actually the whole eastoakland is like a jungle...anything bout to happen u don wana get caught slippin in the ville..its like them niggaz is organised they wana rob foo's walkin down the street...like its in their nature ;..c u and rob u..its not liek other cities ud have to run up to a robber. or somthin.....niggaz is crazy they go dumb..and shoot police like its nothin....n best beleive wen someone get shot it wont be long till someon else get it coz oakland niggaz all bout retaliation....the alley ways hella scary...u must be packin a gun if u walkin by ya self fo sure.......u foo's wont understand wat im sayin but im pretty sure the police cover up murders coz foo's be gettin got all the time...im tellin u mistaken identity murders happen, niggaz catch strays ...east oakland #%@& up....foothill,brookfield, the ville, seminary,Sobrante Park, im tellin u them places the most dangerous in this bitch

richmond, the crestside vallejo, man shit is #%@& in the bay im tellin u

99% of your post is extremely illegible.

But as for Oakland police officer killings, you're wrong. Oakland PD does not have many officers down.

[A Ghost]

New York has the most dangerous urban neighborhood, Hunts Point, with a murder rate of approximately 100 per 10,000, while Compton is approximately 40 per 100,000.

lol he has to be one of the funniest to come along in awhile. 100 per 10,000? NY has had less than 500 murders this year so you a professional who studies these types of things are saying that out of 500 murders in a city of 8 million people 100 of those can be attributed to an area of only 10,000 people? Your projects got more people than that in them correct? So an area smaller than one project is responsible for almost a 4th of all NYC's murders? You should go back and recheck your 15 years of police files and stats you have been traveling the country with. If that was the case NY would definately be the safest big city in maybe the world. You miss those two corners and you have the same chances of survival that you would have in a Canadian city lol.

New York has not had less than 500 murders this year. And due to the organized crime in this city, we estimate about 900-1400 murders is a more accurate conclusion.

New York's murder rates as a whole is not 100 per 100,000. If you read my post you'd realize that.

New York is not even close to being the safest city in the world. And actually, according to the most recent stats, LA will take over the Safest City in America slot in 2 years, possibly less. New York is actually experiencing a slight increase in crime.

And yes, New York is better than it was in the 70s and 80s. The neighborhoods went from being THE WORST to being ONE OF THE WORST, and actually, Hunts Point in NYC is the most dangerous urban neighborhood in America, with a murder rate of about 100 per 100,000, which I clearly stated yesterday.

You are talking about the dark figure of crime.

By your estimates you think that New York has had 1400 murders right?

Well by your logic I could start walking around telling people that my city actually had over 90 homicides this year.

Where's my proof? Well all the bodies were dumped over Niagara Falls. And the lower rapids are too dangerous for police to look for all the bodies that have been dumped...


....when in reality we've only had like 4 homicides this year


Same thing applies to New York. Im sure there have been homicides that have not been reported but it's no where near 900 let alone 1400.

[Common Sense]

But we have seen a trend for the past 100 years. In the early-1900s the South Bronx was a shithole, but in the 20s, 30s and 40s hey gentrified it. Then in the 50s, 60s, 70s it became a shithole again. Then it gentrified again (present day).

I heard Harlem is becoming the spot to live in Manhattan. Starbucks Coffee and other trendy shops moving into the neighborhood. Youny white professionals slowly creeping back into the neighborhood, looking for better rent deals than in the city. Not sure about the accuracy, this is second hand information.

As far as L.A. starting to become one of the nations safest cities, I can see that. You don't see the same B.S. around the city like in the 80's and early 90's. Fools posted up on the corner strolling in packs, hanging out in parks, is almost a thing of the past. Which is a good thing.

[A Ghost]

Its funny how you keep talking about how you have extensive college experience, and extensive law enforcement experience but yet you fail to mention that the FBI are the ones who make the Uniform Crime Reports.

The same reports that are used in the national statistics to list how dangerous American cities are.

And every year New York City keeps popping up as the safest one.

Are you calling your FBI friends all liars?


And if so, then that must mean the NYPD is covering up the crime statistics.

Aren't you an NYPD officer?

Are you covering up statistics? If you are that's illegal, you could go to jail.

And if you aren't doing it, then are your co workers covering up the statistics? It sounds like internal affairs needs to pay your department a visit.....

[A Ghost]

But we have seen a trend for the past 100 years. In the early-1900s the South Bronx was a shithole, but in the 20s, 30s and 40s hey gentrified it. Then in the 50s, 60s, 70s it became a shithole again. Then it gentrified again (present day).

I heard Harlem is becoming the spot to live in Manhattan. Starbucks Coffee and other trendy shops moving into the neighborhood. Youny white professionals slowly creeping back into the neighborhood, looking for better rent deals than in the city. Not sure about the accuracy, this is second hand information.

As far as L.A. starting to become one of the nations safest cities, I can see that. You don't see the same B.S. around the city like in the 80's and early 90's. Fools posted up on the corner strolling in packs, hanging out in parks, is almost a thing of the past. Which is a good thing.

You forgot to mention Bill Clinton moved in.....

[rocstar]

You claim to be a cop but you dont know around how many murders they having this year? Looks like you found about 900 extra murders that only you know about.


New York murders 'at 40-year low'

Reliable figures on New York murder rates only date back to the 1960s
New York City is on track to have fewer than 500 murders in 2007, the lowest annual rate in four decades, according to police department figures.
There had been 428 killings this year as of 18 November, compared to 511 at the same point last year.

Murders peaked in 1990, when 2,262 killings were recorded, making New York the murder capital of the US.

According to the New York Times, of the 212 murders in 2007 analysed so far, only 35 were committed by a stranger.

Most of the killings involved disputes between family members, criminals or rival drug gangs.

NEW YORK MURDER RATES
2006 - 596
2001 - 649
1998 - 629
1995 - 1,181
1990 - 2,262Source: NYC Police Department

A majority of both assailants and victims had previously been arrested, the New York Times reported, and more than half were black.

Of the 412 people attacked this year, more than two-thirds were shot, the paper reports. The other 16 murder victims recorded this year died of injuries received in previous years.

Violent crime rates in the city of more than 8 million people dropped in the first half of the year by 5%, according to official figures.

The murder rate for this year is the lowest seen since the current system of record-keeping began in 1963.

Differences in the way crimes were recorded makes it impossible to compare the data with records dating from before then.

The soaring murder rate of the late 1980s and early 1990s was largely a result of turf wars between gangs running the crack cocaine trade.

The turnaround in violence from the early 1990s was attributed to the city's zero tolerance policy, which saw police crack down on minor offences and drug dealing.

[A Ghost]

You claim to be a cop but you dont know around how many murders they having this year? Looks like you found about 900 extra murders that only you know about.


New York murders 'at 40-year low'

Reliable figures on New York murder rates only date back to the 1960s
New York City is on track to have fewer than 500 murders in 2007, the lowest annual rate in four decades, according to police department figures.
There had been 428 killings this year as of 18 November, compared to 511 at the same point last year.

Murders peaked in 1990, when 2,262 killings were recorded, making New York the murder capital of the US.

According to the New York Times, of the 212 murders in 2007 analysed so far, only 35 were committed by a stranger.

Most of the killings involved disputes between family members, criminals or rival drug gangs.

NEW YORK MURDER RATES
2006 - 596
2001 - 649
1998 - 629
1995 - 1,181
1990 - 2,262Source: NYC Police Department

A majority of both assailants and victims had previously been arrested, the New York Times reported, and more than half were black.

Of the 412 people attacked this year, more than two-thirds were shot, the paper reports. The other 16 murder victims recorded this year died of injuries received in previous years.

Violent crime rates in the city of more than 8 million people dropped in the first half of the year by 5%, according to official figures.

The murder rate for this year is the lowest seen since the current system of record-keeping began in 1963.

Differences in the way crimes were recorded makes it impossible to compare the data with records dating from before then.

The soaring murder rate of the late 1980s and early 1990s was largely a result of turf wars between gangs running the crack cocaine trade.

The turnaround in violence from the early 1990s was attributed to the city's zero tolerance policy, which saw police crack down on minor offences and drug dealing.

His own police agency is proving him wrong....

OUCH!!

[UrbanStreets]

Its funny how you keep talking about how you have extensive college experience, and extensive law enforcement experience but yet you fail to mention that the FBI are the ones who make the Uniform Crime Reports.

Um, about that...

The same reports that are used in the national statistics to list how dangerous American cities are.

And every year New York City keeps popping up as the safest one.

Again, New York is not the safest city, it is the so-called safest BIG CITY, but is experiencing a slight rise in crime, while LA is experiencing a major decrease.

Are you calling your FBI friends all liars?

No, I'm calling some police departments corrupt.

And if so, then that must mean the NYPD is covering up the crime statistics.

Yes, sort of.

Aren't you an NYPD officer?

Not anymore. Have been off the job for slightly over a year.

Are you covering up statistics? If you are that's illegal, you could go to jail.

No, I am not.

And if you aren't doing it, then are your co workers covering up the statistics? It sounds like internal affairs needs to pay your department a visit.....

Maybe they do.

[UrbanStreets]

You claim to be a cop but you dont know around how many murders they having this year? Looks like you found about 900 extra murders that only you know about.


New York murders 'at 40-year low'

Reliable figures on New York murder rates only date back to the 1960s
New York City is on track to have fewer than 500 murders in 2007, the lowest annual rate in four decades, according to police department figures.
There had been 428 killings this year as of 18 November, compared to 511 at the same point last year.

Murders peaked in 1990, when 2,262 killings were recorded, making New York the murder capital of the US.

According to the New York Times, of the 212 murders in 2007 analysed so far, only 35 were committed by a stranger.

Most of the killings involved disputes between family members, criminals or rival drug gangs.

NEW YORK MURDER RATES
2006 - 596
2001 - 649
1998 - 629
1995 - 1,181
1990 - 2,262Source: NYC Police Department

A majority of both assailants and victims had previously been arrested, the New York Times reported, and more than half were black.

Of the 412 people attacked this year, more than two-thirds were shot, the paper reports. The other 16 murder victims recorded this year died of injuries received in previous years.

Violent crime rates in the city of more than 8 million people dropped in the first half of the year by 5%, according to official figures.

The murder rate for this year is the lowest seen since the current system of record-keeping began in 1963.

Differences in the way crimes were recorded makes it impossible to compare the data with records dating from before then.

The soaring murder rate of the late 1980s and early 1990s was largely a result of turf wars between gangs running the crack cocaine trade.

The turnaround in violence from the early 1990s was attributed to the city's zero tolerance policy, which saw police crack down on minor offences and drug dealing.

His own police agency is proving him wrong....

OUCH!!

Again, an estimated of 80% of crimes in New York go unreported. And I can also bring up corruption here, and being a former NYPD police officer, I think I have a strong claim here.

[UrbanStreets]

But we have seen a trend for the past 100 years. In the early-1900s the South Bronx was a shithole, but in the 20s, 30s and 40s hey gentrified it. Then in the 50s, 60s, 70s it became a shithole again. Then it gentrified again (present day).

I heard Harlem is becoming the spot to live in Manhattan. Starbucks Coffee and other trendy shops moving into the neighborhood. Youny white professionals slowly creeping back into the neighborhood, looking for better rent deals than in the city. Not sure about the accuracy, this is second hand information.

As far as L.A. starting to become one of the nations safest cities, I can see that. You don't see the same B.S. around the city like in the 80's and early 90's. Fools posted up on the corner strolling in packs, hanging out in parks, is almost a thing of the past. Which is a good thing.

What you mentiond about Harlem is western Harlem and Morningside Heights. East Harlem and Spanish Harlem are geting no better, and for the new business going up there... They don't last too long.

[A Ghost]

Its funny how you keep talking about how you have extensive college experience, and extensive law enforcement experience but yet you fail to mention that the FBI are the ones who make the Uniform Crime Reports.

Um, about that...

Sop now you're gonna tell me that the FBI does not make the UCR?

The same reports that are used in the national statistics to list how dangerous American cities are.

And every year New York City keeps popping up as the safest one.

Again, New York is not the safest city, it is the so-called safest BIG CITY, but is experiencing a slight rise in crime, while LA is experiencing a major decrease.

New York may be experiencing a slight rise, but only in certain pockets of the city.

Overall crime has gone down drastically. You should be proud officer, you've done an excellent job cleaning up New York.

Are you calling your FBI friends all liars?

No, I'm calling some police departments corrupt.

And you've come to an LA based gang website to expose them?

Why arent you getting off your computer and working with the Feds to crack down on this issue which you feel is being covered up?

Why complain to a bunch of white kids on the internet?

And if you aren't doing it, then are your co workers covering up the statistics? It sounds like internal affairs needs to pay your department a visit.....

Maybe they do.

Maybe? or Yes?

[UrbanStreets]

Sop now you're gonna tell me that the FBI does not make the UCR?

No, it's about my job.

New York may be experiencing a slight rise, but only in certain pockets of the city.

Overall crime has gone down drastically. You should be proud officer, you've done an excellent job cleaning up New York.

Overall crime has gone down, overall gun crime has not. And in certain parts of the city crime has gone UP drastically.

Maybe? or Yes?

Maybe. Releasing crime stats wasn't my job on NYPD, but it just SEEMED like every day I'd be dispacthed to a shots fired and the person would be dead when we got to the scene. Funny, because that would mean I was called to 365 out of the supposedly 500 murders in the city. Whatever, I am no longer an officer there and I do not wish to get involved with that job again. Fun times but also miserable times.

[UrbanStreets]

And I know more NYPD officers who will say the same thing that I just said.

[A Ghost]

And I know more NYPD officers who will say the same thing that I just said.

And I know of NFPD officers that think all blacks are monkies...

And I know of lots of white girls who cut themselves because they think it feels good...


Just because someone agrees with you doesnt make it true.