New York is not America's Safest City

[$outhPhillypuppet]

I don't consider any cities in America dangerous after having seen the ones in Iraq. Even before Saddam was ousted they were 10 times more dangerous than ANY American city. As goes for Central and South American cities, lots of gangs, smugglers, guerillas and in all of those places EVERY cop is crooked. The criminals pretty much run some of the cities in Central and South America. As for Iraq, they run parts of Baghdad, but we've been cracking down on them. They don't really stand a chance against our arsenal.

im pretty sure we all know or have a general idea about how #%@& up it is outside the U.S.
thats why this thread is about Americas most dangerous/safe city.

You don't seem to get the point...America isn't dangerous at all compared to the rest of the world. There's no safe areas in Russia, as the EVERY cop and government official is paid off by the Red Mob. So really I just love how everyone on this thread thinks that America has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities outside the U.S....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison.

No you dont get the point.
If i asked you what was the fastest minivan in the world would you say the Ferrari F-430 Spider?
No, of course not.
Why?cuz the Ferrari F-430 Spider isn't a Minivan.
this thread is about places in AMERICA so talking places outside of the US is pointless.

[STWilkes]

New York has the most dangerous urban neighborhood, Hunts Point, with a murder rate of approximately 100 per 10,000, while Compton is approximately 40 per 100,000.

lol he has to be one of the funniest to come along in awhile. 100 per 10,000? NY has had less than 500 murders this year so you a professional who studies these types of things are saying that out of 500 murders in a city of 8 million people 100 of those can be attributed to an area of only 10,000 people? Your projects got more people than that in them correct? So an area smaller than one project is responsible for almost a 4th of all NYC's murders? You should go back and recheck your 15 years of police files and stats you have been traveling the country with. If that was the case NY would definately be the safest big city in maybe the world. You miss those two corners and you have the same chances of survival that you would have in a Canadian city lol.

New York has not had less than 500 murders this year. And due to the organized crime in this city, we estimate about 900-1400 murders is a more accurate conclusion.

New York's murder rates as a whole is not 100 per 100,000. If you read my post you'd realize that.

New York is not even close to being the safest city in the world. And actually, according to the most recent stats, LA will take over the Safest City in America slot in 2 years, possibly less. New York is actually experiencing a slight increase in crime.

And yes, New York is better than it was in the 70s and 80s. The neighborhoods went from being THE WORST to being ONE OF THE WORST, and actually, Hunts Point in NYC is the most dangerous urban neighborhood in America, with a murder rate of about 100 per 100,000, which I clearly stated yesterday.

You are talking about the dark figure of crime.

By your estimates you think that New York has had 1400 murders right?

Well by your logic I could start walking around telling people that my city actually had over 90 homicides this year.

Where's my proof? Well all the bodies were dumped over Niagara Falls. And the lower rapids are too dangerous for police to look for all the bodies that have been dumped...


....when in reality we've only had like 4 homicides this year


Same thing applies to New York. Im sure there have been homicides that have not been reported but it's no where near 900 let alone 1400.

Yeah really...when I went to New York I saw LOTS of cops on EVERY street at EVERY corner. So don't tell me that it's not safe when I see cops and cameras everywhere. Come on man...NYC was dangerous and now it's not except for a few small spots. And those spots are the places you only go to if you live there.

[A Ghost]

I don't consider any cities in America dangerous after having seen the ones in Iraq. Even before Saddam was ousted they were 10 times more dangerous than ANY American city. As goes for Central and South American cities, lots of gangs, smugglers, guerillas and in all of those places EVERY cop is crooked. The criminals pretty much run some of the cities in Central and South America. As for Iraq, they run parts of Baghdad, but we've been cracking down on them. They don't really stand a chance against our arsenal.

im pretty sure we all know or have a general idea about how #%@& up it is outside the U.S.
thats why this thread is about Americas most dangerous/safe city.

You don't seem to get the point...America isn't dangerous at all compared to the rest of the world. There's no safe areas in Russia, as the EVERY cop and government official is paid off by the Red Mob. So really I just love how everyone on this thread thinks that America has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities outside the U.S....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison.

Cities in America dont compare to 3rd world countries like Rwanda but they are much worse all the industrialized countries of the world.

And as a matter of fact some cities have murder rates that rival cities like Bogata, Colombia and Kingston, Jamaica....

[A Ghost]

^^^^^And Im not saying that US on average rival those cities like Kingston, but once in a while one or two American cities reach that same level then calm down after a few years....

[Mcminister]

im waitin fo the day that folks will be arguein on whose city is safer than the others....

[A Ghost]

im waitin fo the day that folks will be arguein on whose city is safer than the others....

I know right.....

[rocstar]

I don't consider any cities in America dangerous after having seen the ones in Iraq. Even before Saddam was ousted they were 10 times more dangerous than ANY American city. As goes for Central and South American cities, lots of gangs, smugglers, guerillas and in all of those places EVERY cop is crooked. The criminals pretty much run some of the cities in Central and South America. As for Iraq, they run parts of Baghdad, but we've been cracking down on them. They don't really stand a chance against our arsenal.

im pretty sure we all know or have a general idea about how #%@& up it is outside the U.S.
thats why this thread is about Americas most dangerous/safe city.

You don't seem to get the point...America isn't dangerous at all compared to the rest of the world. There's no safe areas in Russia, as the EVERY cop and government official is paid off by the Red Mob. So really I just love how everyone on this thread thinks that America has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities outside the U.S....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison.

By this explanation Russia isnt dangerous because it's not as violent as Columbia or Jamaica or South Africa. So really I just love how you thinks that Amer.....Russia has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities in Countries in Venezuela, Mexico, South Africa or Brazil....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison

Death is death, the U.S isnt a 3rd world country the murder rate for a superpower shouldn't be as high as it is. And you can come and get killed in Philly, LA, NY, Miami or even Bakersfield or a small city the same way I can go to Russia and get killed.

[rocstar]

I don't consider any cities in America dangerous after having seen the ones in Iraq. Even before Saddam was ousted they were 10 times more dangerous than ANY American city. As goes for Central and South American cities, lots of gangs, smugglers, guerillas and in all of those places EVERY cop is crooked. The criminals pretty much run some of the cities in Central and South America. As for Iraq, they run parts of Baghdad, but we've been cracking down on them. They don't really stand a chance against our arsenal.

im pretty sure we all know or have a general idea about how #%@& up it is outside the U.S.
thats why this thread is about Americas most dangerous/safe city.

You don't seem to get the point...America isn't dangerous at all compared to the rest of the world. There's no safe areas in Russia, as the EVERY cop and government official is paid off by the Red Mob. So really I just love how everyone on this thread thinks that America has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities outside the U.S....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison.

By this explanation Russia isnt dangerous because it's not as violent as Columbia or Jamaica or South Africa. So really I just love how you thinks that Amer.....Russia has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities in Countries in Venezuela, Mexico, South Africa or Brazil....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison

Death is death, the U.S isnt a 3rd world country the murder rate for a superpower shouldn't be as high as it is. And you can come and get killed in Philly, LA, NY, Miami or even Bakersfield or a small city the same way I can go to Russia and get killed.

[STWilkes]

hunters point is realy realy dangerous..and lol@ that foo comparin a modern country to a third world country.

in my opinion ..the bay area , LA county and New orleans have the most dangerous neighborhoods

oakland's elmhurst hood ..actually the whole eastoakland is like a jungle...anything bout to happen u don wana get caught slippin in the ville..its like them niggaz is organised they wana rob foo's walkin down the street...like its in their nature ;..c u and rob u..its not liek other cities ud have to run up to a robber. or somthin.....niggaz is crazy they go dumb..and shoot police like its nothin....n best beleive wen someone get shot it wont be long till someon else get it coz oakland niggaz all bout retaliation....the alley ways hella scary...u must be packin a gun if u walkin by ya self fo sure.......u foo's wont understand wat im sayin but im pretty sure the police cover up murders coz foo's be gettin got all the time...im tellin u mistaken identity murders happen, niggaz catch strays ...east oakland #%@& up....foothill,brookfield, the ville, seminary,Sobrante Park, im tellin u them places the most dangerous in this bitch

richmond, the crestside vallejo, man shit is #%@& in the bay im tellin u

Mcminister Iraq is not a third world country. Not to mention they are MANY cities in modernized nations that have FAR WORSE neighborhoods. China and Russia have neighborhoods much worse than Oakland and South Central combined. And both of those countries aren't third world, American gangsters are pussies in comparison to Chinese and Russian thugs. They'll stop at nothing until you're dead, and the cops will even help them as they actually know HOW to rob people not just mug them or burglarize their house. And by knowing how to rob properly they've been able to buy off cops. And I'm not talking about Triads or Russian Mob, I'm talking about the street gangs there. They're much more organized than American street gangs, but they're not organized enough to be big time.

[rocstar]

You claim to be a cop but you dont know around how many murders they having this year? Looks like you found about 900 extra murders that only you know about.


New York murders 'at 40-year low'

Reliable figures on New York murder rates only date back to the 1960s
New York City is on track to have fewer than 500 murders in 2007, the lowest annual rate in four decades, according to police department figures.
There had been 428 killings this year as of 18 November, compared to 511 at the same point last year.

Murders peaked in 1990, when 2,262 killings were recorded, making New York the murder capital of the US.

According to the New York Times, of the 212 murders in 2007 analysed so far, only 35 were committed by a stranger.

Most of the killings involved disputes between family members, criminals or rival drug gangs.

NEW YORK MURDER RATES
2006 - 596
2001 - 649
1998 - 629
1995 - 1,181
1990 - 2,262Source: NYC Police Department

A majority of both assailants and victims had previously been arrested, the New York Times reported, and more than half were black.

Of the 412 people attacked this year, more than two-thirds were shot, the paper reports. The other 16 murder victims recorded this year died of injuries received in previous years.

Violent crime rates in the city of more than 8 million people dropped in the first half of the year by 5%, according to official figures.

The murder rate for this year is the lowest seen since the current system of record-keeping began in 1963.

Differences in the way crimes were recorded makes it impossible to compare the data with records dating from before then.

The soaring murder rate of the late 1980s and early 1990s was largely a result of turf wars between gangs running the crack cocaine trade.

The turnaround in violence from the early 1990s was attributed to the city's zero tolerance policy, which saw police crack down on minor offences and drug dealing.

His own police agency is proving him wrong....

OUCH!!

Again, an estimated of 80% of crimes in New York go unreported. And I can also bring up corruption here, and being a former NYPD police officer, I think I have a strong claim here.

You were fun for awhile now it's just getting idiotic. You are now trying to claim an estimated 80% of murders go unreported? So what you are claiming is there has been an additional 600-900 murders this year in NY that were unreported? Break in's go unreported, thefts go unreported, shootings go unreported murders don't. An unidentified dead body still count's in murder statistics. Corruption can affect a case, maybe a few, but 600? All these families of the victims just said fuck it huh? Johnny hasnt been home in 3 months lets go play playstation. And stop claiming to be a NYPD officer you sound stupid. Every other sentence is I used to be an officer, I use to live in LA if you did you wouldn't have to try and reinforce it every post. A police officer who claims they are projecting 900-1400 murders this year. A 500 amount difference isnt a projection it's a statement from a fraud!

[$outhPhillypuppet]

I agree with rocstar.
How the hell a police department in a big city gonna hide a couple hundred murders?

[UrbanStreets]

New York has the most dangerous urban neighborhood, Hunts Point, with a murder rate of approximately 100 per 10,000, while Compton is approximately 40 per 100,000.

lol he has to be one of the funniest to come along in awhile. 100 per 10,000? NY has had less than 500 murders this year so you a professional who studies these types of things are saying that out of 500 murders in a city of 8 million people 100 of those can be attributed to an area of only 10,000 people? Your projects got more people than that in them correct? So an area smaller than one project is responsible for almost a 4th of all NYC's murders? You should go back and recheck your 15 years of police files and stats you have been traveling the country with. If that was the case NY would definately be the safest big city in maybe the world. You miss those two corners and you have the same chances of survival that you would have in a Canadian city lol.

New York has not had less than 500 murders this year. And due to the organized crime in this city, we estimate about 900-1400 murders is a more accurate conclusion.

New York's murder rates as a whole is not 100 per 100,000. If you read my post you'd realize that.

New York is not even close to being the safest city in the world. And actually, according to the most recent stats, LA will take over the Safest City in America slot in 2 years, possibly less. New York is actually experiencing a slight increase in crime.

And yes, New York is better than it was in the 70s and 80s. The neighborhoods went from being THE WORST to being ONE OF THE WORST, and actually, Hunts Point in NYC is the most dangerous urban neighborhood in America, with a murder rate of about 100 per 100,000, which I clearly stated yesterday.

You are talking about the dark figure of crime.

By your estimates you think that New York has had 1400 murders right?

Well by your logic I could start walking around telling people that my city actually had over 90 homicides this year.

Where's my proof? Well all the bodies were dumped over Niagara Falls. And the lower rapids are too dangerous for police to look for all the bodies that have been dumped...


....when in reality we've only had like 4 homicides this year


Same thing applies to New York. Im sure there have been homicides that have not been reported but it's no where near 900 let alone 1400.

Yeah really...when I went to New York I saw LOTS of cops on EVERY street at EVERY corner. So don't tell me that it's not safe when I see cops and cameras everywhere. Come on man...NYC was dangerous and now it's not except for a few small spots. And those spots are the places you only go to if you live there.

No, that's ridiculous. There are cops all over Midtown to Downtown, but once you get into the outer-boroughs and East Harlem it's completely different. Over 500 people are killedhere every year, people are MURDERED, DEAD. That is a lot and if there was a cop on every street corner we should be at around 20 or so.

DOn't get ridiculous now. I'm telling you for a fact that the top 2 most dangerous urban neighborhoods in America are in Brooklyn North, which has experienced a 64% increase in slayings over the past two years.

Red Hook, Brooklyn tried to revitalize but due to the distance it is from Manhattan and public transportation they couldn't gentrify it. So that's one of the neighborhoods that is the same as it was in the 80s and early-90s.
Here's Red Hook, Brooklyn today...

[UrbanStreets]

rocstar, I did not say murders, I said crime. An estimated 80% of crime in New York go unreported.
Don't put words in my mouth.

More Red Hook, Brooklyn... A lot of Mobsters are here even today although this neighborhood is predominantly black...

[$outhPhillypuppet]

rocstar, I did not say murders, I said crime. An estimated 80% of crime in New York go unreported.
Don't put words in my mouth.

thanks for clearing that up but doesn't that happen in alot of urban cities?

[perongregory]

rocstar, I did not say murders, I said crime. An estimated 80% of crime in New York go unreported.
Don't put words in my mouth.

More Red Hook, Brooklyn... A lot of Mobsters are here even today although this neighborhood is predominantly black...

so I guess 80% of crime that goes unreported equals 900 extra murders, even though you made the distinction between crime and homocide, right?

[Cold Bear]

I just want to make sure you're getting this people.

COBBLESTONES

RUSTY BUSES

WAREHOUSES NO LONGER USED

LOL

[UrbanStreets]

Yes, it is rusty, old, etc., but it is one of America's highest crime urban neghborhoods according to the stats that were printed off last month.

[UrbanStreets]

rocstar, I did not say murders, I said crime. An estimated 80% of crime in New York go unreported.
Don't put words in my mouth.

More Red Hook, Brooklyn... A lot of Mobsters are here even today although this neighborhood is predominantly black...

so I guess 80% of crime that goes unreported equals 900 extra murders, even though you made the distinction between crime and homocide, right?

Estimations are not taken into account here.

[UrbanStreets]

It's only estimated that 80% of crimes go unreported. Just something I heard, nothing I'm gouing to prove, because I can't.

[UrbanStreets]

rocstar, I did not say murders, I said crime. An estimated 80% of crime in New York go unreported.
Don't put words in my mouth.

thanks for clearing that up but doesn't that happen in alot of urban cities?

Not as much as it happens in NYC, Chicago and Philly. All these cities have been called out for twisting up the numbers, I read an article on it last night.

[$outhPhillypuppet]

rocstar, I did not say murders, I said crime. An estimated 80% of crime in New York go unreported.
Don't put words in my mouth.

thanks for clearing that up but doesn't that happen in alot of urban cities?

Not as much as it happens in NYC, Chicago and Philly. All these cities have been called out for twisting up the numbers, I read an article on it last night.

can you post a link to the article?

[Cold Bear]

Yes I am familiar with Red Hook. Those pictures don't prove any type of point though, is what I'm saying. I think you think it 'looks cool' and 'authentic' compared to Glendale? I don't know.

Also, I live in North Brooklyn now. I hear gun shots here and there and there are more white gentifiers getting robbed for their laptops and ipods. But all that other shit is extra. About hundreds of bodies being hid and all that. Just in the last two years I been living in north brooklyn I see MAAAAAD white people moving in. I seriously DOUBT that it would be the case if crime was so high. Ghouliani took all the real wild dudes off the street for good.

[alexalonso]

I suppose you're going to say NY has more gangs than LA next. Chicago is the hardest big city (million or more people) in my opinion, then Detroit, Philly, L.A., Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix, SF Bay Area then lastly NY.

You're totally off.

1) Detroit
2) Philly
3) Chicago
4) Oakland
5) New York
6) Houston
7) Dallas
Phoenix
9) Los Angeles
10) San Antonio

My career field involves determining the most dangerous urban neighborhoods and cities. When you ONLY judge cities bad neighborhoods, New York has the most dangerous urban neighborhood, Hunts Point, with a murder rate of approximately 100 per 10,000, while Compton is approximately 40 per 100,000.

Hunts Point does not define NY and Compton is actually a City, Hunts Point is not a city, it is a neighborhood within a City. Many of your points are not valid.

[A Ghost]

New York has the most dangerous urban neighborhood, Hunts Point, with a murder rate of approximately 100 per 10,000, while Compton is approximately 40 per 100,000.

lol he has to be one of the funniest to come along in awhile. 100 per 10,000? NY has had less than 500 murders this year so you a professional who studies these types of things are saying that out of 500 murders in a city of 8 million people 100 of those can be attributed to an area of only 10,000 people? Your projects got more people than that in them correct? So an area smaller than one project is responsible for almost a 4th of all NYC's murders? You should go back and recheck your 15 years of police files and stats you have been traveling the country with. If that was the case NY would definately be the safest big city in maybe the world. You miss those two corners and you have the same chances of survival that you would have in a Canadian city lol.

New York has not had less than 500 murders this year. And due to the organized crime in this city, we estimate about 900-1400 murders is a more accurate conclusion.

New York's murder rates as a whole is not 100 per 100,000. If you read my post you'd realize that.

New York is not even close to being the safest city in the world. And actually, according to the most recent stats, LA will take over the Safest City in America slot in 2 years, possibly less. New York is actually experiencing a slight increase in crime.

And yes, New York is better than it was in the 70s and 80s. The neighborhoods went from being THE WORST to being ONE OF THE WORST, and actually, Hunts Point in NYC is the most dangerous urban neighborhood in America, with a murder rate of about 100 per 100,000, which I clearly stated yesterday.

You are talking about the dark figure of crime.

By your estimates you think that New York has had 1400 murders right?

Well by your logic I could start walking around telling people that my city actually had over 90 homicides this year.

Where's my proof? Well all the bodies were dumped over Niagara Falls. And the lower rapids are too dangerous for police to look for all the bodies that have been dumped...


....when in reality we've only had like 4 homicides this year


Same thing applies to New York. Im sure there have been homicides that have not been reported but it's no where near 900 let alone 1400.

Yeah really...when I went to New York I saw LOTS of cops on EVERY street at EVERY corner. So don't tell me that it's not safe when I see cops and cameras everywhere. Come on man...NYC was dangerous and now it's not except for a few small spots. And those spots are the places you only go to if you live there.

No, that's ridiculous. There are cops all over Midtown to Downtown, but once you get into the outer-boroughs and East Harlem it's completely different. Over 500 people are killedhere every year, people are MURDERED, DEAD. That is a lot and if there was a cop on every street corner we should be at around 20 or so.

DOn't get ridiculous now. I'm telling you for a fact that the top 2 most dangerous urban neighborhoods in America are in Brooklyn North, which has experienced a 64% increase in slayings over the past two years.

Red Hook, Brooklyn tried to revitalize but due to the distance it is from Manhattan and public transportation they couldn't gentrify it. So that's one of the neighborhoods that is the same as it was in the 80s and early-90s.
Here's Red Hook, Brooklyn today...

^^^Detroit makes that look like Disney World









http://www.urbandecay.ca

[A Ghost]

I just want to make sure you're getting this people.

COBBLESTONES

RUSTY BUSES

WAREHOUSES NO LONGER USED

LOL

LMAO!!!

[$outhPhillypuppet]

damn alonso made one post and shut this thread the fuck down.
(excluding ghost of course)

[NorthPhilly]

New York City is definetly soft these days. Its the safest big city in America and I know this because im currently residing there. The gangs (for the most part) aren't serious and there are not a lot of people dying. Enjoy it, being a safe city is a good thing fool. And trying to compare New York to LA? Why?! I like NYC better and will always be a East Coast nigga but LA is a lot harder than New York City as far as banging and niggas riding.