New York is not America's Safest City

[UrbanStreets]

You know, I'm really getting tired of arguing. Let's stop, appreciate our different views and move on, shall we?

[Silencioso]

Typical NY person. Doesn't understand the difference between organized crime and street gangs. Yes, L.A. gangmembers have been influenced by the mistyque of the mafia and old school 1920's mobsters like Al Capone and yes L.A. gang members in the 80's incorprated hip hop/b boy styles like thick shoe laces and words like crew and tagging. But that's not NY street gangs. NY street gangs like the Savage Skulls, Black Spades and Savage Nomads that were big in the 70's had no impact whatsoever in L.A. They had a completely different style. Same with 80's gangs like Deceps and LoLifes. No impact.

L.A. gang culture is homegrown, based mostly on the pachuco/cholo tradition with other ethnic groups throwing in their contribution. It's not based on NY.

[EmperorPenguin]

A ghost must really hate those...big sweater wearing, fake blood claimin, 5 different 10 pound chain hangin, chucks in the winter wearin,wake up different gang claimin,always hatin, uncle murder listenin, compton copyin, boyz n the hood 5 time watchin, "Son""word" sayin, over cocky folks in new york..

Put it this way.

The next time a New Yorker comes out here and tries some shit with me Im throwin his ass off a porch.

And no, Im not talking about the ones 3 feet off the ground. Im talking the ones 10 feet off the ground.

I'm not trying to shit on your or anything but I loved Buffalo. Great people, and aside from the odd seedy area I felt way more safe there then I did in Los Angeles or even Toronto.

Just because people are friendly doesnt mean everything is all nice and happy.

Spend a decent amount of time on the East Side and you'll see how things REALLY are.

Im not trying to argue with you but as much stuff as I say about the Falls, it's 20X worse on the East Side of Buffalo.

I'll just copy/paste from my previous post:

I was merely pointing out how I felt during the time I spent in Buffalo. There's areas of L.A., Toronto, Buffalo, any major city I just wouldn't fu-- with period. Every city has that area you just don't go to unless you're from there. Everyone I met in Buffalo was great, and damn near every one of them had nothing nice to say about cats from NYC. It certainly wasn't what I expect from the city, though everyones knowledge of geography was pretty limited, especially being so close to Canada as they are. Regardless, great city and I look forward to visiting it again some day. Ghost, show up next time, you still gotta pay for that lap dance. There was like 4 strip joints right near the airport that we could have hit up so you best bring a lot of cash. Smile

[A Ghost]

isnt it suppose to be oposite the more the gun shots heard the more the duck..coz people catch strays u don wana be a victim

wen i hear them on some app. buildin i don duck but...wen im on the fisrt floor i ain gon lie i usualy put my head down shiit i ain finna be no victim.



im pretty sure if they counted it by neighborhoods NY and LA hoods will occupy the top 30

new orleans will have like 5 hoods in the top 10


not neighborhoods coz dats too small...maybe like...south side , westside, northside, eastside or somthin

Thats not a bad idea.

Do Gary, Compton and Camden have North/South/East/West sides? Are they big enough?

Again, the more hairs you split, the smaller the sections get. Does it create a more accurate picture? Most likely. Unfortunately the more you cut it into pieces the more pieces you have to deal with which means more numbers for a person to sift through. What I'm saying is, all that information is great, and I'd be willing to bet it's all available to you online through local county or neighborhood police forces but YOU have to find it. To come out and publish a neighborhood, or county based crime stats would be endless and pointless for the average person.

Sure when a stat comes out saying "Los Angeles is one of the most dangerous cities to live in" what they probably mean is a small cross section of a certain part of the greater LA area is statistically more dangerous then other parts but some of the onus has to be on the reader to dig deeper to find the truth out.

good point.

I am proud that everybody thinks New York is safe, but I'm here to tell you it's not. I've been browsing this site fora while before I registered and it shocked me that so many people are here saying "New York is soft." New York is not soft at all, grow up. Any city with 500+ murders is not soft. Get a grip.

People clown on New Yorkers because they are sick and tired of New Yorkers acting like they are from the worst place on the planet when its not true.

People are sick of their uppity ass attitudes too.

I know 15 year olds from Niagara Falls that would have put a bullet in the head of the most hardened criminal from NYC. And I live in a small city with a moderate crime rate.

You can get bodied in any city in America. Inner city America is the same no matter where you go.

Dude, a Niagara Falls kid running up on a kid from Little Italy wouldn't work out well for Mr. Niagara Falls. lol It just wouldn't.

LMAO!!!

Now I know youre a lunatic.

White kids that cross Hyde Park Boulevard over to the black side have been known to get their asses whooped, just for crossing the line.

White people are terrified of Highland Avenue. lol Ive heard stories of people getting chased out by entire crowds of people.

As a matter of fact the Italians here made their own version of "Little Italy" and they hate blacks. But guess what? Each year there are more and more black businesses that pop up in Little Italy.

So that shows you how "scared" people are. lmao

Blacks are NOT scared of Italians. Real Talk.

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Yeah, white people from NIAGARA FALLS, not from New York City. Have you ever seen the move "A Bronx Tale." African Americans were afraid of Italians in the 60s, 0s and 90s and still are today. I'm not racist, it's just a fact that if the Mafia is after you, you're going to be scared. They are one gang I would not want to get on the wrong side with because they can track you down easily.

LOL

Tell that to these stick up kids out here.

They would rob their own grannies.... lol

As a matter of fact the book Im reading right now is about a hood in New York. East Harlem. Spanish Harlem, El Barrio.

The Mafia has very little control over it nowadays. The only thing they control is who they rent the building apartments out to.

Once all the Mob bosses got locked up people were burglarizing the shit out of their businesses. They didnt give a fuck if it was mob related.

Watch New Jack City.

Black crack dealers didnt give a fuck about a New York Italian...

[Mcminister]

lol "^^ word

u foo;s trippin shit i got class to go to...all i gota say ..its just CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALI....CALI IS HARD ooooOOOO CALI IS HARD..

[UrbanStreets]

Actually, the Mob has much control in NYC nowadays, it's just kept under covers more. There's a court case going on now regarding a Mobster who killed a man in Prospect Park (?) in Brooklyn while walking his dog. Maybe it's over by now, haven't really been up-to-date on that case.

[A Ghost]

Oh, I don't know, some problems that infested New York and Chicago about 30-75 years ago before the Crips and Bloods came out. They saw the money the Mob and such was making and wanted in on it. Simple concept.

New York, Miami and Chicago influenced LA's gangsters... Movies such as Scarface and the Godfather may help you understand.

All throughout human history human greed has caused crime.

Thats like me saying The Egyptians killed people over gold coins, therefore Los Angeles people are fake because they copied the Egyptians!

Step your game up

lol TELL THAT TO THE ANGELENOS ON HERE!

I telling that to you.

Youre the one saying that the Bloods and Crips were influenced by The Gottis...



Los Angeles people on here have a right to blame New York for Swagger Jacking. NYC has people calling themselves Bloods and Crips.

Your argument would hold water if there were massive roaming gangs in LA that called themselves the "Gambino crews" or the "Luciano mafia"

No, LA had its own criminal culture that was NOT influenced by New York.


But New York now has a criminal culture that WAS influenced by LA.

[A Ghost]

You know, I'm really getting tired of arguing. Let's stop, appreciate our different views and move on, shall we?

I have a final paper to finish.

Ill get back to this later.

[A Ghost]

A ghost must really hate those...big sweater wearing, fake blood claimin, 5 different 10 pound chain hangin, chucks in the winter wearin,wake up different gang claimin,always hatin, uncle murder listenin, compton copyin, boyz n the hood 5 time watchin, "Son""word" sayin, over cocky folks in new york..

Put it this way.

The next time a New Yorker comes out here and tries some shit with me Im throwin his ass off a porch.

And no, Im not talking about the ones 3 feet off the ground. Im talking the ones 10 feet off the ground.

I'm not trying to shit on your or anything but I loved Buffalo. Great people, and aside from the odd seedy area I felt way more safe there then I did in Los Angeles or even Toronto.

Just because people are friendly doesnt mean everything is all nice and happy.

Spend a decent amount of time on the East Side and you'll see how things REALLY are.

Im not trying to argue with you but as much stuff as I say about the Falls, it's 20X worse on the East Side of Buffalo.

I'll just copy/paste from my previous post:

I was merely pointing out how I felt during the time I spent in Buffalo. There's areas of L.A., Toronto, Buffalo, any major city I just wouldn't fu-- with period. Every city has that area you just don't go to unless you're from there. Everyone I met in Buffalo was great, and damn near every one of them had nothing nice to say about cats from NYC. It certainly wasn't what I expect from the city, though everyones knowledge of geography was pretty limited, especially being so close to Canada as they are. Regardless, great city and I look forward to visiting it again some day. Ghost, show up next time, you still gotta pay for that lap dance. There was like 4 strip joints right near the airport that we could have hit up so you best bring a lot of cash. Smile

Oh yeah I forgot about that.... LOL

[Mcminister]

wow Aghost u really went at it with this dude...

its my fault it switched from Ny being bad to NY being fake..i had to mention Ny niggaz are fake calimin im sorry yall

[Mcminister]

anywayz IM GHOST

[A Ghost]

Actually, the Mob has much control in NYC nowadays, it's just kept under covers more. There's a court case going on now regarding a Mobster who killed a man in Prospect Park (?) in Brooklyn while walking his dog. Maybe it's over by now, haven't really been up-to-date on that case.

One incident compared to hundreds decades ago.....

[A Ghost]

And where the Hell did you get that "Black businesses are opening up in Little Italy" crap? Are you smoking smething I need to know about?

Out here they are.

People from Niagara Falls ARE New Yorkers! They have NY plates, don't they?

The only thing we are forced to share with NYC is the state.

Other than that we are completely different. I don't consider myself a New Yorker, and I cringe when I have too.

We had waaay more in common with the Midwest than any other part of the country. Mainly Cleveland.

Cleveland and the Buffalo area are practically twins.

[A Ghost]

All this BS aside, Ive met some cool people from out of NYC that Ive gotten along with.

Its just the the most cocky ignorant ass people Ive ever met have come from there too....

[A Ghost]

As a matter of fact this one chick I was talking to and was feeling was from the Bronx and she was cool as hell.

But she had a boyfriend so I didnt move in on her.

[$outhPhillypuppet]

As a matter of fact this one chick I was talking to and was feeling was from the Bronx and she was cool as hell.

But she had a boyfriend so I didnt move in on her.

Us philly dudes would've bagged that.

[$outhPhillypuppet]

AND pass the pregnancy test.

[A Ghost]

AND pass the pregnancy test.

this dude lol

[A Ghost]

Real talk though.

All this real/fake shit is getting annoying. People are being taught that you aren't a real man unless you participate in illegal activity or kill.

What these New York Bloods and Crips need to do is get together, stop shooting each other over some movies they saw and copied and work together for community progression. To make those ghettos in New York safe black communities. So that blacks can work together to fight against racism in America.

[STWilkes]

I don't consider any cities in America dangerous after having seen the ones in Iraq. Even before Saddam was ousted they were 10 times more dangerous than ANY American city. As goes for Central and South American cities, lots of gangs, smugglers, guerillas and in all of those places EVERY cop is crooked. The criminals pretty much run some of the cities in Central and South America. As for Iraq, they run parts of Baghdad, but we've been cracking down on them. They don't really stand a chance against our arsenal.

im pretty sure we all know or have a general idea about how #%@& up it is outside the U.S.
thats why this thread is about Americas most dangerous/safe city.

You don't seem to get the point...America isn't dangerous at all compared to the rest of the world. There's no safe areas in Russia, as the EVERY cop and government official is paid off by the Red Mob. So really I just love how everyone on this thread thinks that America has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities outside the U.S....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison.

[$outhPhillypuppet]

I don't consider any cities in America dangerous after having seen the ones in Iraq. Even before Saddam was ousted they were 10 times more dangerous than ANY American city. As goes for Central and South American cities, lots of gangs, smugglers, guerillas and in all of those places EVERY cop is crooked. The criminals pretty much run some of the cities in Central and South America. As for Iraq, they run parts of Baghdad, but we've been cracking down on them. They don't really stand a chance against our arsenal.

im pretty sure we all know or have a general idea about how #%@& up it is outside the U.S.
thats why this thread is about Americas most dangerous/safe city.

You don't seem to get the point...America isn't dangerous at all compared to the rest of the world. There's no safe areas in Russia, as the EVERY cop and government official is paid off by the Red Mob. So really I just love how everyone on this thread thinks that America has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities outside the U.S....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison.

No you dont get the point.
If i asked you what was the fastest minivan in the world would you say the Ferrari F-430 Spider?
No, of course not.
Why?cuz the Ferrari F-430 Spider isn't a Minivan.
this thread is about places in AMERICA so talking places outside of the US is pointless.

[STWilkes]

New York has the most dangerous urban neighborhood, Hunts Point, with a murder rate of approximately 100 per 10,000, while Compton is approximately 40 per 100,000.

lol he has to be one of the funniest to come along in awhile. 100 per 10,000? NY has had less than 500 murders this year so you a professional who studies these types of things are saying that out of 500 murders in a city of 8 million people 100 of those can be attributed to an area of only 10,000 people? Your projects got more people than that in them correct? So an area smaller than one project is responsible for almost a 4th of all NYC's murders? You should go back and recheck your 15 years of police files and stats you have been traveling the country with. If that was the case NY would definately be the safest big city in maybe the world. You miss those two corners and you have the same chances of survival that you would have in a Canadian city lol.

New York has not had less than 500 murders this year. And due to the organized crime in this city, we estimate about 900-1400 murders is a more accurate conclusion.

New York's murder rates as a whole is not 100 per 100,000. If you read my post you'd realize that.

New York is not even close to being the safest city in the world. And actually, according to the most recent stats, LA will take over the Safest City in America slot in 2 years, possibly less. New York is actually experiencing a slight increase in crime.

And yes, New York is better than it was in the 70s and 80s. The neighborhoods went from being THE WORST to being ONE OF THE WORST, and actually, Hunts Point in NYC is the most dangerous urban neighborhood in America, with a murder rate of about 100 per 100,000, which I clearly stated yesterday.

You are talking about the dark figure of crime.

By your estimates you think that New York has had 1400 murders right?

Well by your logic I could start walking around telling people that my city actually had over 90 homicides this year.

Where's my proof? Well all the bodies were dumped over Niagara Falls. And the lower rapids are too dangerous for police to look for all the bodies that have been dumped...


....when in reality we've only had like 4 homicides this year


Same thing applies to New York. Im sure there have been homicides that have not been reported but it's no where near 900 let alone 1400.

Yeah really...when I went to New York I saw LOTS of cops on EVERY street at EVERY corner. So don't tell me that it's not safe when I see cops and cameras everywhere. Come on man...NYC was dangerous and now it's not except for a few small spots. And those spots are the places you only go to if you live there.

[A Ghost]

I don't consider any cities in America dangerous after having seen the ones in Iraq. Even before Saddam was ousted they were 10 times more dangerous than ANY American city. As goes for Central and South American cities, lots of gangs, smugglers, guerillas and in all of those places EVERY cop is crooked. The criminals pretty much run some of the cities in Central and South America. As for Iraq, they run parts of Baghdad, but we've been cracking down on them. They don't really stand a chance against our arsenal.

im pretty sure we all know or have a general idea about how #%@& up it is outside the U.S.
thats why this thread is about Americas most dangerous/safe city.

You don't seem to get the point...America isn't dangerous at all compared to the rest of the world. There's no safe areas in Russia, as the EVERY cop and government official is paid off by the Red Mob. So really I just love how everyone on this thread thinks that America has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities outside the U.S....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison.

Cities in America dont compare to 3rd world countries like Rwanda but they are much worse all the industrialized countries of the world.

And as a matter of fact some cities have murder rates that rival cities like Bogata, Colombia and Kingston, Jamaica....

[A Ghost]

^^^^^And Im not saying that US on average rival those cities like Kingston, but once in a while one or two American cities reach that same level then calm down after a few years....

[Mcminister]

im waitin fo the day that folks will be arguein on whose city is safer than the others....

[A Ghost]

im waitin fo the day that folks will be arguein on whose city is safer than the others....

I know right.....

[rocstar]

I don't consider any cities in America dangerous after having seen the ones in Iraq. Even before Saddam was ousted they were 10 times more dangerous than ANY American city. As goes for Central and South American cities, lots of gangs, smugglers, guerillas and in all of those places EVERY cop is crooked. The criminals pretty much run some of the cities in Central and South America. As for Iraq, they run parts of Baghdad, but we've been cracking down on them. They don't really stand a chance against our arsenal.

im pretty sure we all know or have a general idea about how #%@& up it is outside the U.S.
thats why this thread is about Americas most dangerous/safe city.

You don't seem to get the point...America isn't dangerous at all compared to the rest of the world. There's no safe areas in Russia, as the EVERY cop and government official is paid off by the Red Mob. So really I just love how everyone on this thread thinks that America has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities outside the U.S....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison.

By this explanation Russia isnt dangerous because it's not as violent as Columbia or Jamaica or South Africa. So really I just love how you thinks that Amer.....Russia has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities in Countries in Venezuela, Mexico, South Africa or Brazil....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison

Death is death, the U.S isnt a 3rd world country the murder rate for a superpower shouldn't be as high as it is. And you can come and get killed in Philly, LA, NY, Miami or even Bakersfield or a small city the same way I can go to Russia and get killed.

[rocstar]

I don't consider any cities in America dangerous after having seen the ones in Iraq. Even before Saddam was ousted they were 10 times more dangerous than ANY American city. As goes for Central and South American cities, lots of gangs, smugglers, guerillas and in all of those places EVERY cop is crooked. The criminals pretty much run some of the cities in Central and South America. As for Iraq, they run parts of Baghdad, but we've been cracking down on them. They don't really stand a chance against our arsenal.

im pretty sure we all know or have a general idea about how #%@& up it is outside the U.S.
thats why this thread is about Americas most dangerous/safe city.

You don't seem to get the point...America isn't dangerous at all compared to the rest of the world. There's no safe areas in Russia, as the EVERY cop and government official is paid off by the Red Mob. So really I just love how everyone on this thread thinks that America has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities outside the U.S....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison.

By this explanation Russia isnt dangerous because it's not as violent as Columbia or Jamaica or South Africa. So really I just love how you thinks that Amer.....Russia has *tough* or *dangerous* cities. When in reality they're not if you've seen any other cities in Countries in Venezuela, Mexico, South Africa or Brazil....they're actually pretty tamed in comparison

Death is death, the U.S isnt a 3rd world country the murder rate for a superpower shouldn't be as high as it is. And you can come and get killed in Philly, LA, NY, Miami or even Bakersfield or a small city the same way I can go to Russia and get killed.

[STWilkes]

hunters point is realy realy dangerous..and lol@ that foo comparin a modern country to a third world country.

in my opinion ..the bay area , LA county and New orleans have the most dangerous neighborhoods

oakland's elmhurst hood ..actually the whole eastoakland is like a jungle...anything bout to happen u don wana get caught slippin in the ville..its like them niggaz is organised they wana rob foo's walkin down the street...like its in their nature ;..c u and rob u..its not liek other cities ud have to run up to a robber. or somthin.....niggaz is crazy they go dumb..and shoot police like its nothin....n best beleive wen someone get shot it wont be long till someon else get it coz oakland niggaz all bout retaliation....the alley ways hella scary...u must be packin a gun if u walkin by ya self fo sure.......u foo's wont understand wat im sayin but im pretty sure the police cover up murders coz foo's be gettin got all the time...im tellin u mistaken identity murders happen, niggaz catch strays ...east oakland #%@& up....foothill,brookfield, the ville, seminary,Sobrante Park, im tellin u them places the most dangerous in this bitch

richmond, the crestside vallejo, man shit is #%@& in the bay im tellin u

Mcminister Iraq is not a third world country. Not to mention they are MANY cities in modernized nations that have FAR WORSE neighborhoods. China and Russia have neighborhoods much worse than Oakland and South Central combined. And both of those countries aren't third world, American gangsters are pussies in comparison to Chinese and Russian thugs. They'll stop at nothing until you're dead, and the cops will even help them as they actually know HOW to rob people not just mug them or burglarize their house. And by knowing how to rob properly they've been able to buy off cops. And I'm not talking about Triads or Russian Mob, I'm talking about the street gangs there. They're much more organized than American street gangs, but they're not organized enough to be big time.

[rocstar]

You claim to be a cop but you dont know around how many murders they having this year? Looks like you found about 900 extra murders that only you know about.


New York murders 'at 40-year low'

Reliable figures on New York murder rates only date back to the 1960s
New York City is on track to have fewer than 500 murders in 2007, the lowest annual rate in four decades, according to police department figures.
There had been 428 killings this year as of 18 November, compared to 511 at the same point last year.

Murders peaked in 1990, when 2,262 killings were recorded, making New York the murder capital of the US.

According to the New York Times, of the 212 murders in 2007 analysed so far, only 35 were committed by a stranger.

Most of the killings involved disputes between family members, criminals or rival drug gangs.

NEW YORK MURDER RATES
2006 - 596
2001 - 649
1998 - 629
1995 - 1,181
1990 - 2,262Source: NYC Police Department

A majority of both assailants and victims had previously been arrested, the New York Times reported, and more than half were black.

Of the 412 people attacked this year, more than two-thirds were shot, the paper reports. The other 16 murder victims recorded this year died of injuries received in previous years.

Violent crime rates in the city of more than 8 million people dropped in the first half of the year by 5%, according to official figures.

The murder rate for this year is the lowest seen since the current system of record-keeping began in 1963.

Differences in the way crimes were recorded makes it impossible to compare the data with records dating from before then.

The soaring murder rate of the late 1980s and early 1990s was largely a result of turf wars between gangs running the crack cocaine trade.

The turnaround in violence from the early 1990s was attributed to the city's zero tolerance policy, which saw police crack down on minor offences and drug dealing.

His own police agency is proving him wrong....

OUCH!!

Again, an estimated of 80% of crimes in New York go unreported. And I can also bring up corruption here, and being a former NYPD police officer, I think I have a strong claim here.

You were fun for awhile now it's just getting idiotic. You are now trying to claim an estimated 80% of murders go unreported? So what you are claiming is there has been an additional 600-900 murders this year in NY that were unreported? Break in's go unreported, thefts go unreported, shootings go unreported murders don't. An unidentified dead body still count's in murder statistics. Corruption can affect a case, maybe a few, but 600? All these families of the victims just said fuck it huh? Johnny hasnt been home in 3 months lets go play playstation. And stop claiming to be a NYPD officer you sound stupid. Every other sentence is I used to be an officer, I use to live in LA if you did you wouldn't have to try and reinforce it every post. A police officer who claims they are projecting 900-1400 murders this year. A 500 amount difference isnt a projection it's a statement from a fraud!

[$outhPhillypuppet]

I agree with rocstar.
How the hell a police department in a big city gonna hide a couple hundred murders?

[UrbanStreets]

New York has the most dangerous urban neighborhood, Hunts Point, with a murder rate of approximately 100 per 10,000, while Compton is approximately 40 per 100,000.

lol he has to be one of the funniest to come along in awhile. 100 per 10,000? NY has had less than 500 murders this year so you a professional who studies these types of things are saying that out of 500 murders in a city of 8 million people 100 of those can be attributed to an area of only 10,000 people? Your projects got more people than that in them correct? So an area smaller than one project is responsible for almost a 4th of all NYC's murders? You should go back and recheck your 15 years of police files and stats you have been traveling the country with. If that was the case NY would definately be the safest big city in maybe the world. You miss those two corners and you have the same chances of survival that you would have in a Canadian city lol.

New York has not had less than 500 murders this year. And due to the organized crime in this city, we estimate about 900-1400 murders is a more accurate conclusion.

New York's murder rates as a whole is not 100 per 100,000. If you read my post you'd realize that.

New York is not even close to being the safest city in the world. And actually, according to the most recent stats, LA will take over the Safest City in America slot in 2 years, possibly less. New York is actually experiencing a slight increase in crime.

And yes, New York is better than it was in the 70s and 80s. The neighborhoods went from being THE WORST to being ONE OF THE WORST, and actually, Hunts Point in NYC is the most dangerous urban neighborhood in America, with a murder rate of about 100 per 100,000, which I clearly stated yesterday.

You are talking about the dark figure of crime.

By your estimates you think that New York has had 1400 murders right?

Well by your logic I could start walking around telling people that my city actually had over 90 homicides this year.

Where's my proof? Well all the bodies were dumped over Niagara Falls. And the lower rapids are too dangerous for police to look for all the bodies that have been dumped...


....when in reality we've only had like 4 homicides this year


Same thing applies to New York. Im sure there have been homicides that have not been reported but it's no where near 900 let alone 1400.

Yeah really...when I went to New York I saw LOTS of cops on EVERY street at EVERY corner. So don't tell me that it's not safe when I see cops and cameras everywhere. Come on man...NYC was dangerous and now it's not except for a few small spots. And those spots are the places you only go to if you live there.

No, that's ridiculous. There are cops all over Midtown to Downtown, but once you get into the outer-boroughs and East Harlem it's completely different. Over 500 people are killedhere every year, people are MURDERED, DEAD. That is a lot and if there was a cop on every street corner we should be at around 20 or so.

DOn't get ridiculous now. I'm telling you for a fact that the top 2 most dangerous urban neighborhoods in America are in Brooklyn North, which has experienced a 64% increase in slayings over the past two years.

Red Hook, Brooklyn tried to revitalize but due to the distance it is from Manhattan and public transportation they couldn't gentrify it. So that's one of the neighborhoods that is the same as it was in the 80s and early-90s.
Here's Red Hook, Brooklyn today...