bosses, underbosses & consiglieri of 5 families Rudaj...?

[thewestside]

there was a high stakes card game going on in soccer fever you idiot.

No shit sherlock. But what does that have to do with anything?

no report mentioned anything about italian guards.

Really dumbass?

Indeed, when the organization first entered the location, the Italian security guards reached inside their jackets, and Nuculovic said that he had told them that if they did that, there would be problems.

http://www.websupp.org/data/SDNY/1:04-c ... 1-SDNY.pdf

Furthermore, besides the security guards, the only Italian named specifically in relation to the Soccer Fever incident was Tommy Napoli, a Gambino associate, who wasn't even there at the time. No made guys.

rudaj was caught on wiretape stating he would have killed ITALIANS if they tried anything. so whether they were associates or members is debatable, but they were italian.

Tommy Napoli started a new barbout game in the Soccer Fever club which had Greek players but was under the protection of the Gambino family. Hence the Italian security guards.

ITS NOT MY CLAIMS! ITS THE CLAIMS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT!

Wrong asshole! A few law enforcement officials have struck out on a few investigations of Albanians. That's when you step in and apply this idea to all agencies investigating all Albanians throughout the entire U.S. Just another example of you twisting and stretching the truth.

i said gazmir gjoka was known in the albanian community. my friend was the one that told me about him being caught, i didn't find out about it on the internet. gazmir gjoka was one of the key players in the group, period. 15/16 of the 26 people indicted were albanian, period.

Key player doesn't necessarily mean the boss. Furthermore, since most of those indicted were Albanian, the Albanians are obviously going to be the most responsible for getting busted. But you'll try to pin it on one of the non-Albanians.

albania is a beautiful country to live in if you have money, which is why many, many albanians look to move back once saving up enough to live there. unfortunantly, nobody wants $350 a month working in albania so we have to stay and work here ans hopefully save up one day to move back. it's what i'm doing, studying to land a good job there. it's what many of my friends are doing. and yes, the united states is being exploited. i didn't come there to embrace america, i came to exploit it's workforce. i want money and that's it.

Most places are good to live if you have money. Problem is, not too many in Albania do have money, regardless of what you way.

americans and america is such an ugly place to me, full of concrete, no mountains, no hills, no beaches, it's pathetic in almost every sense. the economy is good. thats about it.

This just shows what an idiot you are Johnny. America has thousands of square miles of mountains, hills, beaches, etc. Just maybe not where your sorry 17 year old ass has been. Why don't you actually try knowing what the hell you're talking about before making stupid comments like this? Wait, look who I'm talking to.

sure buddy, whatever makes you, a 31 year old virgin arguing online with teenagers on a forum sleep good at night.

Why don't you just admit that you are full of shit and, despite all your talk about all the non-Mafia Italian groups during Prohibition, you can't even name one or two besides the Capone gang? Avoid the question all you want Johnny. Everyone else can see what a liar you are.

[DutchGangster69]

My family came to Canada and USA to embrace it.

[thewestside]

My family came to Canada and USA to embrace it.

As do most that immigrate to America.

Johnny is just a bitter, little 17 year old who is insecure about his ethnic heritage and his country, so he has to constantly embellish his country, his people, his history, while badmouthing others - usually through false and cherrypicked evidence. It's the same thing he does on the organized crime topic. Like I keep saying, same shit, different shovel.

[Dobre]

My family came to Canada and USA to embrace it.

My family came to Canada and the USA to both embrace and exploit it.

[thewestside]

My family came to Canada and the USA to both embrace and exploit it.

Frankly, I don't think either Johnny or you even know what the word "exploit" means without having to look it up.

[CheGuevara]

http://www.websupp.org/data/SDNY/1:04-cr-01110-481-SDNY.pdf

Furthermore, besides the security guards, the only Italian named specifically in relation to the Soccer Fever incident was Tommy Napoli, a Gambino associate, who wasn't even there at the time. No made guys.

see dumbshit, that's what it comes down to. proof. bring in proof and we end subjects fast and easy. however, this still doesn't prove there were no made guys or associates in the club that picked up their stuff and left. it seems only one greek guy caught a beating for debt.

as Nuculovic explained, you couldn’t go up against the Gambino crime family unarmed.

however, he might have just been talking about napoli since he was only in astoria on behalf of the gambino's.

Wrong ahole! A few law enforcement officials have struck out on a few investigations of Albanians. That's when you step in and apply this idea to all agencies investigating all Albanians throughout the entire U.S. Just another example of you twisting and stretching the truth.

actually it's the truth you 31yr old virgin. practically every report describing albanian organized crime states their secrecy and clannish behaviour as well as their uncompromising refusal to testify against their cohorts.

Key player doesn't necessarily mean the boss. Furthermore, since most of those indicted were Albanian, the Albanians are obviously going to be the most responsible for getting busted. But you'll try to pin it on one of the non-Albanians.

albanians were half the rudaj indictment as well. albanians were 95% of the lika indictment as well. doesn't make a difference. i don't know who is at fault for gazmir's group being dented by law enforcement but once the trial marches on, the evidence will come out. judging by past aoc indictments, i have my money on the non-albanians being at fault.

Most places are good to live if you have money. Problem is, not too many in Albania do have money, regardless of what you way.

in terms of percentage, not a very huge percentage have money. however, 10% st least is above the american middle class.

This just shows what an idiot you are Johnny. America has thousands of square miles of mountains, hills, beaches, etc. Just maybe not where your sorry 17 year old ass has been. Why don't you actually try knowing what the hell you're talking about before making stupid comments like this? Wait, look who I'm talking to.

america has alot of mountains, and beaches and hills. but the main cities of america are situated far from these places except for some being near the beach. the beaches in america are disgusting with the exception of some along the southern border. mountains are rare to see. you have to drive out for hours to hit a mountain. while in albania, you see hills and mountains and buildings constructed on mountains and not to mention the beach is right by.

Why don't you just admit that you are full of shit and, despite all your talk about all the non-Mafia Italian groups during Prohibition, you can't even name one or two besides the Capone gang? Avoid the question all you want Johnny. Everyone else can see what a liar you are.

sure buddy, whatever makes you, a 31 year old virgin arguing online with teenagers on a forum sleep good at night.

[thewestside]

see dumbshit, that's what it comes down to. proof. bring in proof and we end subjects fast and easy. however, this still doesn't prove there were no made guys or associates in the club that picked up their stuff and left. it seems only one greek guy caught a beating for debt.

I'm the dumbshit? You're the one who is constantly talking out of your ass you stupid Albanian prick. This is just another example. And then I have to come along and correct you. I'm sick of it. Furthermore, the very fact that NO MADE GUYS are mentioned in any report about this incident show there weren't any there. But as usual you're all too happy to just ASSUME there were.

actually it's the truth you 31yr old virgin. practically every report describing albanian organized crime states their secrecy and clannish behaviour as well as their uncompromising refusal to testify against their cohorts.

You're a lying piece of shit. You've shown only a few cases where officials have said they struck out in some investigations of Albanians. That's it. And yet you lie through your dirty, brown Albanian teeth and claim that every report and official is saying that everywhere. YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT! This is just a way you can make up excuses for the fact that there are relatively little cases involving Albanians, which shows your claims about them, as well as the claims made by some officials, have proven FALSE and PREMATURE. But you just keep spewing your lies Johnny.

albanians were half the rudaj indictment as well. albanians were 95% of the lika indictment as well. doesn't make a difference. i don't know who is at fault for gazmir's group being dented by law enforcement but once the trial marches on, the evidence will come out. judging by past aoc indictments, i have my money on the non-albanians being at fault.

Total BS.

in terms of percentage, not a very huge percentage have money. however, 10% st least is above the american middle class.

What is your basis for this claim?

sure buddy, whatever makes you, a 31 year old virgin arguing online with teenagers on a forum sleep good at night.

The surest sign Johnny has got nothing and knows he has been caught in another lie. He just keeps repeating himself.

[Dobre]

in terms of percentage, not a very huge percentage have money. however, 10% st least is above the american middle class.


america has alot of mountains, and beaches and hills. but the main cities of america are situated far from these places except for some being near the beach. the beaches in america are disgusting with the exception of some along the southern border. mountains are rare to see. you have to drive out for hours to hit a mountain. while in albania, you see hills and mountains and buildings constructed on mountains and not to mention the beach is right by.

1. It's true. Not a very huge percentage do have money. It's the same thing with Macedonia. Alot of people are piss poor, there are few homeless Macedonians but alot of homeless and piss poor Gypsy beggars. Alot of people work in factories 16 hours a day, 7 days a week for 100 Euros a month and hardly survive off it. There's also alot of middle class people which make around 1,000 Euros a month, which is good enough for a living here since 1,000 Euros = 60,000 MKD, and 160 MKD can buy you a large pizza.

On the other hand, aside the piss poor people, 10 percent of the population are rich, most of whom are millionaires and multimillionaires in Euros. That's according to my grandma which worked for

http://www.stb.com.mk/eng/index.asp

for over 40 years.

2. That's because the country is bigger. The Balkans is mountainous anyhow and it's a peninsula surrounded by luxurious seas(Black sea, Adriatic sea, Mediterranian sea) and in order for the nation to make money off tourism, they have to take advantage of lakes which are ideal for bathing.

[Dobre]

You're a lying piece of shit. You've shown only a few cases where officials have said they struck out in some investigations of Albanians. That's it. And yet you lie through your dirty, brown Albanian teeth and claim that every report and official is saying that everywhere. YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT! This is just a way you can make up excuses for the fact that there are relatively little cases involving Albanians, which shows your claims about them, as well as the claims made by some officials, have proven FALSE and PREMATURE. But you just keep spewing your lies Johnny.

It took him awhile to get you ticked off like this. It usually takes me one statement to get you pissed off this much at me. xD

1. shiptar 494 up, 247 down
A dirty, smelly, tooth missing, ugly, unemployed Albanian who is a virus of a human being which lives in other peoples countries in europe and feeds off of them like a parasite. Very good at low wage jobs like stone masonry, and cleaning up the feces of superior races.
Albanians in Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro, Italy, and Greece.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shiptar

1. Siptar 257 up, 82 down
A smelly filthy parasitic people that feed off the land of others until they claim it as their own. Siptars are Albanians mostly from Kosovo, but also live in Macedonia and other parts of Europe. They have their own country, called Siptaria, but they rarely live in that shit hole of nation. They move beyond their borders to feed on the land of others like locusts.
Enver came to my house smelling like he had not bathed for a month, ate all my food, stole my money then he tried to kick me out, claiming my house was really his. Enver is a Siptar. I punched him in the face, he started to cry and called 3245 of his relatives to "get me", because that is what Siptars do.

Kosovo i Metohija is the birth place of the Serbian nation. It is the heart of Serbia, but we let Siptars onto our land and they began breeding like maggots. They began to rape, pillage and murder and before long, they were claiming the land as their own. When we fought back, they cried to the world and begged for help, after we were whipping them. That is the Siptar way, they are parasitic cowards.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Siptar

[Faciulina]

according the document colotti was the leader of the organization... an albanian gang run by an italian... an italian crime family run by an albanian would be litterally impossible loooooool rudaj was just a clown he wanted to go against the gambino's because the gang was full of italians and he felt protected by them, probably colotti and the other italians secretely worked with the gambino's themselves

anyway thewestside how the corporation took over some lucchese operations in astoria? i don't see any lucchese members mentioned in this document and any friction between the italo-albanians and the luccheses

[thewestside]

anyway thewestside how the corporation took over some lucchese operations in astoria? i don't see any lucchese members mentioned in this document and any friction between the italo-albanians and the luccheses

We've beaten this story to death so I'll make it short. Greek gambling operations in Astoria had been under the protection of the Lucchese family for years. But prosecutions had weaked the Lucchese's presence in the area. The Rudaj organization saw and opening and took over the Greek club Stamatis. After that, the Gambinos opened their own Greek-run club called Soccer Fever but the Rudaj guys shut that down too. There are no made guys mentioned as being there, despite what certain people like to assume. This is what led to the meeting at the gas station in New Jersey between the Gambinos and Rudaj's guys.

[Faciulina]

This is what led to the meeting at the gas station in New Jersey between the Gambinos and Rudaj's guys.

yeah if the meeting fact is true the rudaj's guys were very desperate and scared if they wanted to explode the gas station instead to go directly against the gambino's loooool it was an act of desperate and loser guys

[CheGuevara]

I'm the dumbshit? You're the one who is constantly talking out of your ass you stupid Albanian prick. This is just another example. And then I have to come along and correct you. I'm sick of it. Furthermore, the very fact that NO MADE GUYS are mentioned in any report about this incident show there weren't any there. But as usual you're all too happy to just ASSUME there were.

no, this isn't another example. this is an example where you came to me with a reliable source strengthening your case. when doing this, i can't argue the facts. but you never back your theories up with sources, you just rely on stupid thing or flat out lie.

there were made men, the fbi said so. made men got their asses handed to them and that kills you.

You're a lying piece of shit. You've shown only a few cases where officials have said they struck out in some investigations of Albanians. That's it. And yet you lie through your dirty, brown Albanian teeth and claim that every report and official is saying that everywhere. YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT! This is just a way you can make up excuses for the fact that there are relatively little cases involving Albanians, which shows your claims about them, as well as the claims made by some officials, have proven FALSE and PREMATURE. But you just keep spewing your lies Johnny.

yeah, whatever you fat, ignorant 31 year old loser. fact remains, the albanian clans are frequently mentioned as secrective and clannish by every report explaining and detailing the ethnic group. this kills you because the only description of the italians is that they're dumb.

albanians were half the rudaj indictment as well. albanians were 95% of the lika indictment as well. doesn't make a difference. i don't know who is at fault for gazmir's group being dented by law enforcement but once the trial marches on, the evidence will come out. judging by past aoc indictments, i have my money on the non-albanians being at fault.

Total BS.

what's total BS about it? rudaj's indictment was half albanian and xhevedet lika's indictment was 95% albanian. however in both groups, a non-albanian was to be blamed for the indictments due to wiretapping. which is what makes me believe as time goes by and the gjoka indictment goes to trial, a non-albanian will be highlighted as the factor which put some of the group away.

in terms of percentage, not a very huge percentage have money. however, 10% st least is above the american middle class.

What is your basis for this claim?

the fact that 10% of the population is driving around in a 2008-2009 european autmobile and living in a beautiful house.

The surest sign Johnny has got nothing and knows he has been caught in another lie. He just keeps repeating himself.

i already told you, why do it? why give you two other groups? you'll just accuse me of going on google and looking them up. just like you accused me of not knowing about al capone and his deal to join the national commission. there is no point with you just like there is no point to your life.

[CheGuevara]

We've beaten this story to death so I'll make it short. Greek gambling operations in Astoria had been under the protection of the Lucchese family for years. But prosecutions had weaked the Lucchese's presence in the area. The Rudaj organization saw and opening and took over the Greek club Stamatis. After that, the Gambinos opened their own Greek-run club called Soccer Fever but the Rudaj guys shut that down too. There are no made guys mentioned as being there, despite what certain people like to assume. This is what led to the meeting at the gas station in New Jersey between the Gambinos and Rudaj's guys.

corrections:

1* rudaj took over all lucchese gambling in astoria.
2* the gambinos tried to curb their influence in the area by opening their own barbout game which rudaj shut down the first or second day of operation.
3* the fbi stated made men were beaten down as they were.
4* at that gas station, one of rudaj's men put a gun to arnold's face and another at a gas pump. the italians retreated and left astoria to alex rudaj.

[Faciulina]

corrections:

1* rudaj took over all lucchese gambling in astoria.
2* the gambinos tried to curb their influence in the area by opening their own barbout game which rudaj shut down the first or second day of operation.
3* the fbi stated made men were beaten down as they were.
4* at that gas station, one of rudaj's men put a gun to arnold's face and another at a gas pump. the italians retreated and left astoria to alex rudaj.

corrections yeah lol

i wrote the whole document about the rudaj's fact, it's ashamed the most important man in the organization was colotti (italian) i know it kills you but it's the truth... the most important albanian gang in american history was led by an italian looooool it means they were submitted to some family
1) rudaj took over just 1 or 2 locals in astoria and only because the lucchese were decimated by arrests not because he fought them, the lucchese alone has a total of 1.000 members and he rudaj gang less than 30
2) rudaj shut down greek owners they never beat any italian and any made member that's your fantasy and the document proof it when they came into the local the italian guards suddenly stopped them and the only gambino associate, tommy napoli, was not present
3) at he gas station rudaj and his loser and desperate friends were so scared that they prefered kill themselves instead to fight the gambino's looool

[thewestside]

corrections:

Everything I said above was true and needed no corrections.

1* rudaj took over all lucchese gambling in astoria.

There are a few sentences in some articles that say things like "all Lucchese operations." But the only Lucchese-protected club listed in the indictment was Stamatis. So this is where you interject your own opinions and assumptions about anything more Rudaj took over so you can hype the Rudaj legend that much more.

2* the gambinos tried to curb their influence in the area by opening their own barbout game which rudaj shut down the first or second day of operation.

LOL! Curb their influence? The Gambinos didn't give a shit about Rudaj at that point. They saw an opening in the area, just like Rudaj had, and opened their own club.

3* the fbi stated made men were beaten down as they were.

Still want to know exactly what made guys these were. And as I've pointed out, despite your claim that nobody had ever physically assaulted made guys before, that's not true.

4* at that gas station, one of rudaj's men put a gun to arnold's face and another at a gas pump. the italians retreated and left astoria to alex rudaj.

Some articles have said that the Gambino guys pointed guns at the Rudaj guys and others have said that the Rudaj guys pointed guns at the Gambino guys. Both cases might be correct. What is clear is that the Rudaj guys were vastly outnumbered by about 10-1 odds. That's why one of them threatened to blow up a gas pump, in order to get the Gambinos to back off. The Gambinos backed off because they thought they might be crazy enough to actually shoot the pump. Not because, as certain myth-makers would have you believe, they bowed down to the almighty Albanians and recognized Rudaj as an equal and the event as a "turning point" in organized crime.

[Dobre]

My family came to Canada and the USA to both embrace and exploit it.

Frankly, I don't think either Johnny or you even know what the word "exploit" means without having to look it up.

Whoa, never again put me and Johnny in the same sentence, ever. Never again get ahead of yourself and mix me up with that brainwashed little prick. I do what I do for trolling, not for facts. He, on the other hand, believes the shit that comes out of his mouth. I know what exploit means.

[CheGuevara]

There are a few sentences in some articles that say things like "all Lucchese operations." But the only Lucchese-protected club listed in the indictment was Stamatis. So this is where you interject your own opinions and assumptions about anything more Rudaj took over so you can hype the Rudaj legend that much more.

the lucchese crime family worked through a greek that managed clubs in astoria for them. rudaj shut his club down and took it over. after that indicident, or maybe after the soccer fever shut down, 6 or 7 other clubs at least began to pay alex rudaj protection money. so those clubs that began to pay money must have been under the control of the greek controlled by the lucchese crime family. or simply put, the lucchese crime family must have had only one club in astoria because the reports say they took over all lucchese crime family operations in astoria.

LOL! Curb their influence? The Gambinos didn't give a shit about Rudaj at that point. They saw an opening in the area, just like Rudaj had, and opened their own club.

curbed their influence is the statement written on the indictment you clown. so before you laugh at it, try remembering what you read. they opened it but it didn't last long did it

Still want to know exactly what made guys these were. And as I've pointed out, despite your claim that nobody had ever physically assaulted made guys before, that's not true.

i never said a made man was never assualted before. i could care less who assaulted made men in the past. the topic here is alex rudaj. the fbi stated they beat up made men and they did.

Some articles have said that the Gambino guys pointed guns at the Rudaj guys and others have said that the Rudaj guys pointed guns at the Gambino guys. Both cases might be correct. What is clear is that the Rudaj guys were vastly outnumbered by about 10-1 odds. That's why one of them threatened to blow up a gas pump, in order to get the Gambinos to back off. The Gambinos backed off because they thought they might be crazy enough to actually shoot the pump. Not because, as certain myth-makers would have you believe, they bowed down to the almighty Albanians and recognized Rudaj as an equal and the event as a "turning point" in organized crime.

whether the gambinos pointed their guns at rudaj's men is debatable and doesn't really matter. the fact is dedaj or rudaj's other man there pointed a gun at ther gambino boss at that time and another pointed a gun at a gas pump to threatened the rest. the italians backed down because they feared being burned to death over a high stakes card game and a club in astoria. rudaj was never an equal to the gambino boss in terms of wealth of how many peope he controlled nor did i ever imply anything even close to this.

but this was a turning point in organized crime which is a statement coming from a article, not me. never has an ethnic group challenged the italian leadership in new york like alex rudaj did.

[Faciulina]

never has an ethnic group challenged the italian leadership in new york like alex rudaj did.

ahahahaha the irish in the past fought the italians seriously although they were massacred at least they proofed to do it rudaj is just a clown he had no balls to fight the mafia seriously or out of astoria just look at the westies they were 1000 times more violent than rudaj gang and albanian-chickenthieves-mob

[Dobre]

never has an ethnic group challenged the italian leadership in new york like alex rudaj did.

ahahahaha the irish in the past fought the italians seriously although they were massacred at least they proofed to do it rudaj is just a clown he had no balls to fight the mafia seriously or out of astoria just look at the westies they were 1000 times more violent than rudaj gang and albanian-chickenthieves-mob

[Faciulina]

the man below is a gypsi roma living in albania not an albanian-born

[Dobre]

the man below is a gypsi roma living in albania not an albanian-born

Modern day Albanians are Gypsies with white flesh, that's it. They live like Gypsies and behave like Gypsies. That's why Albania is such a backwards country. If you were comparing precious gems, Albania would be a ruby while Macedonia would be a diamond. For a country on the adriatic, Albania is fucking backwards.

As for genetics, look at the Balkans historical peoples'. Thracians occupied most of modern day Bulgaria and parts of Romania. Dacians occupied most of Romania. Dorians(one of the four Ancient Greek tribes) occupied Chalkidiki. Macedonians occupied basically the Northern half of Greece. Modern day Albania is the Vlach homeland. Illiryans occupied everything from Epirus to Slovenia. Paeonians occupied most of Vardar Macedonia(Republic of Macedonia), northern parts of Ancient Macedonia and a small part of Western Bulgaria(Blagoevgrad province). Paeonians were a Thraco-Illiryan peoples.

Note that there is no such thing a Slav in the Balkans. There are only Slavicized natives from the Balkans. Everyone that wasn't native to the Balkans that came later and mixed with the local tribes cannot be called native. Hence, Macedonians in Vardar Macedonia are not Macedonian Slavs(which is a geographical term, hence a Slav on the territory of the Republic of Macedonia), but instead Paeonians(Thraco-Illiryans) who have mixed with Slavs amongst other tribes, including Ancient Macedonians.

Macedonians from Aegean Macedonia(Northern Greece) are the most 'Ancient Macedonian' because they are native, even though Slavicized. Secondly, waves of Slavs reached the southern Balkans, but not as much to Aegean Macedonia as to Vardar Macedonia, Serbia or Bulgaria. There are Macedonian-Bulgarians in Blagoevgrad(formerly called Gorna/Upper Dzhumaya) who come from Serres(aka Dolna/Lower Dzhumaya). Drama is about 30-50 km east of Serres, yet those people there are Aegean Macedonians for the most part, not Bulgarians. Most eastern Aegean Macedonian dialects are Bulgarian and thus people there would be considered more Bulgarian than Aegean Macedonian. My father's father, grandfather, is born and raised in Drama, as with his family.

Drama is as close to Ancient Macedonia as you can get. The only Serb blood I might get is from my mother's mother, and even then I came out of my father's testicles, I'm his creation, not a Serbian creation, because my grandma was born in Belgrade to a Macedonian father from Stip(my hometown here in Vardar Macedonia) and to a Czech mother. And even then I have no Serbian blood, unless you count those relatives I have in Vojvodina through my grandma.

Third, Vardar Macedonians both fear and loathe Aegean Macedonians today for historical reasons. When the Greek civil war started, alot of Aegean Macedonians flocked to Vardar Macedonia and Vardar Macedonians saw us as invaders and discriminated against us. My father was in tons of fights growing up over that reason, his whole childhood was basically trying to fit in and fighting with neighbourhood kids, so he grew up in a tough neighbourhood.

If you compare Macedonians to Albanians regionally...Vardar Macedonians would be like Albanians in Albania - standard and more civilized, but their manners and spitefulness is that of Kosovar Albanians, rough mannered, critical, judgemental and aggressively offensive and defensive. Aegean Macedonians would be like the Kosovar Albanians in terms of experiance --- they're the more militarized/paramilitary types out of the bunch since we live in a state that has attempted genocide and military action on us for over 100 years, so of course it will be like Palestinians in Israel or Kurds in Iraq or Turkey, but we're more calm, easy going, generally nicer and we don't try and think alot and attempt to beat everyone using brain power, we just enjoy life and because we're less spitful, we're more direct, also compare us to the Albanians in Epirus. Pirin Macedonians would be like the Albanians in Macedonia, the most mafiazed out of the bunch since they live in a region which basically puts everyone at danger, most drug seizures and mobsters flood that place. It's like a war zone compared to Sofia, Burgas, Varna etc. which mobsters totally control and live in their mafia paradise.

Fourth, Bulgarians were originally Huns, aka half Mongol(Chinese) half Turk. They are considered to be Tatars for one part, and that's a Turkic people. This is why the Bulgarian language sounds like they're mixing Macedonian and Arabic and their music is the most Middle Eastern. They are also cold and share some typical facial expressions or genetic/natural habits of some Chinese people, such as when they're serious they look around suspiciously in a dirty look manner. The only reason they turned white is wave after wave of this and that. Bulgars being a Hunnic peoples, came and mixed with the local tribe that inhabited that region - the Thracians. The Thracians have also mixed with the Ancient Macedonians. Bulgaria also has the most Turkish influence in terms of almost everything but they also have the most Russian alphabet. I can understand Russian for the most part if I read it for example thanks to the Bulgarian Cyrillic alphabet. Before that, I couldn't understand jack shit in Russian. I have Bulgarian to thank for that. Bulgarian and Macedonian are wayyy different in grammar, Bulgarian would sound like illiterate Macedonian. Note that every major war or revolution in history, Vardar Macedonians have fought alongside Bulgarians for unification yet Vardar Macedonians are currently the most hard headed and anti-Bulgarian for that same reason --- Bulgarians want Vardar Macedonia. Aegean Macedonians don't give a fuck about being a Macedonian, they'll do anything to survive. My sister and her brother in law just got their Bulgarian passports and they're not ashamed to say now we're b'lgari.

Fifth, Serbs were originally Scythians that mixed with Nordic and Slavic tribes.

Sixth, Vlachs(original Illiryans from modern day Albania) mixed with Slavs, Romans(Italians), Thracians(Bulgarian template) and Dorians(Greek tribe). They pretty much mixed with the Dacians to create the modern day Romanians.

Seventh, modern day Albanians are only a tiny part Illiryan. Speaking of Illiryan, Vlachs are more Illiryan than Albanians. Albanians are originally people from the Caucauses that mixed with people from the Middle East and came there, mixed with the Illiryans.

The Illiryan tribe that occupied Kosovo when the Chechens came was the Dardani.

[VostokSila]

No nation from the North kavkaz came to the Balkan.. your story of alexander bringing them is not true because he didnt cross the border to go to the north kavkaz albanians are maybe related to turks or kurds, maybe irans that lived in the mountains in north iran, but they are not close to chechens.

[Dobre]

No nation from the North kavkaz came to the Balkan.. your story of alexander bringing them is not true because he didnt cross the border to go to the north kavkaz albanians are maybe related to turks or kurds, maybe irans that lived in the mountains in north iran, but they are not close to chechens.

As with the Balkan genetics in Southern Italy, there's tons of evidence --- both scientific and linguistic that links Chechens to Albanians.

Which one do you want me to present first?

I just think you don't want Albanians to be Chechen this way you can't relate yourself to Johnny. Don't worry, all white people originate from the same sess pool anyhow.

[VostokSila]

there's tons of evidence --- both scientific and linguistic that links Chechens to Albanians.

The language is just a theory, it is not solid. The Albanians may be from the Kavkaz but they are not related to the Chechens who live in the North. Albanians may be some people from the south kavkaz that immigrate to the Blakan long ago, but like I said before there are many maaany nationalities and peoples living in the kavkaz, chosing Chechens because they are the most famous people there is just your ignorance talking.

[Dobre]

there's tons of evidence --- both scientific and linguistic that links Chechens to Albanians.

The language is just a theory, it is not solid. The Albanians may be from the Kavkaz but they are not related to the Chechens who live in the North. Albanians may be some people from the south kavkaz that immigrate to the Blakan long ago, but like I said before there are many maaany nationalities and peoples living in the kavkaz, chosing Chechens because they are the most famous people there is just your ignorance talking.

Yeah sure whatever if it makes you feel better, they aren't Chechens.

[CheGuevara]

The language is just a theory, it is not solid. The Albanians may be from the Kavkaz but they are not related to the Chechens who live in the North. Albanians may be some people from the south kavkaz that immigrate to the Blakan long ago, but like I said before there are many maaany nationalities and peoples living in the kavkaz, chosing Chechens because they are the most famous people there is just your ignorance talking.

show me one single professor or actual credible source and not macedonia.eu or serbianna.org or kosovohere.org that states it is possible that albanians may have come to the kavkaz.

show me the similarities between the language of anyf of the kavkaz groups and the albanina language which every person who ever studied it stated it is a language onto itself. and you're wrong, the armenians are the most famous of the kazkav, nobody in america even knows what a chechen is. armenians live in america in big numbers and in some european nations as well so people know them much more.

[Dobre]

The language is just a theory, it is not solid. The Albanians may be from the Kavkaz but they are not related to the Chechens who live in the North. Albanians may be some people from the south kavkaz that immigrate to the Blakan long ago, but like I said before there are many maaany nationalities and peoples living in the kavkaz, chosing Chechens because they are the most famous people there is just your ignorance talking.

show me one single professor or actual credible source and not macedonia.eu or serbianna.org or kosovohere.org that states it is possible that albanians may have come to the kavkaz.

show me the similarities between the language of anyf of the kavkaz groups and the albanina language which every person who ever studied it stated it is a language onto itself. and you're wrong, the armenians are the most famous of the kazkav, nobody in america even knows what a chechen is. armenians live in america in big numbers and in some european nations as well so people know them much more.

lol

Shiptars(Albanians)




Turks


Azerbaijani's



Is it just me or do the hats get smaller as it goes more West?

[youngspade]

never has an ethnic group challenged the italian leadership in new york like alex rudaj did.

ahahahaha the irish in the past fought the italians seriously although they were massacred at least they proofed to do it rudaj is just a clown he had no balls to fight the mafia seriously or out of astoria just look at the westies they were 1000 times more violent than rudaj gang and albanian-chickenthieves-mob

Ive been lowkey on this topic but this shit is funny!


Americans dont leave America for Albania, bottom line!

[VsichkoEBosh]

No nation from the North kavkaz came to the Balkan.. your story of alexander bringing them is not true because he didnt cross the border to go to the north kavkaz albanians are maybe related to turks or kurds, maybe irans that lived in the mountains in north iran, but they are not close to chechens.

lol alexander made it to uzbekistan

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