London, England gangs in 2008

[Jinky08]

1.Which street gangs are makin alot of noise in London in 08 ?

2. What is the average numbers for a London gang, such as.. PDC ?

[Crymz]

Peckham Boys and several Yardie gangs have been running London for the last few years and probably still are makin some noise to this day...
As far as more business structured, underworld organised crime groups are concerned - I wouldnt have a clue, they are too shrouded in secrecy....

[jmaups2005]

im from the westside london tea tipper sippers

[Jinky08]

i thought poverty driven children were a big factor, most of the time when someone mentions london gangs they say theyre name

[PEN1 UK]

im from the westside london tea tipper sippers

clever cunt rnt ya

[Azure9920]

They bang in London?

[falkon]

Peckham Boys and several Yardie gangs have been running London for the last few years and probably still are makin some noise to this day...
As far as more business structured, underworld organised crime groups are concerned - I wouldnt have a clue, they are too shrouded in secrecy....

peckhem boys run peckhem, end of, everyone runs tingz in der own ends, theres NO! gang that runs london. anyway PDC is the biggest gang in london but even they dont run the hole of south london, they just run there parts, but theres loads of gangs that would be happy to fight them if they came down to there estate, SUK= stick up kidz, project mayhem,Y2K=year to kill, ect, even man in west london would put up a good fight if PDC came down to there own area, cos the hole of PDC would NEVER beable to all come down at the same time.. anyway its all a hype ting, most of dz crews are just youts init.. the only gangs i fear are the ones that know where i live,lol

[falkon]

im from the westside london tea tipper sippers

who says they are from the westside london, its just west london, or westman, dis anit america.. WESTSIDE 4 LIFE, lol

[PEN1 UK]

Hes just trying to be a clever cunt mate


trying to take the piss


fuck him

[Azure9920]

lol@ Brits acting hard... ...

[9Caliber]

lol@ Brits acting hard... ...

Americans acting dumb.

[SoulJah]

DONT GET IT TWISTED YEAH - LONDON DOES HAVE A GROWING NUMBER OF STREET GANGS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS - THEY ALWAYS BEEN HERE BUT THE PROBLEM IS TOO MANY FOLK LIKE POLICE/GOVERNMENT WERE RELUCTANT TO CALL MANY OF THESE GROUPS "GANGS" BECAUSE THEY WERENT LIKE THE GANGS OF THE U.S (OR WHAT THEY PERCEIVED U.S GANGS TO BE LIKE BASED ON MEDIA GENERALISATIONS AND FILMS)

MOST PEEPS CHAT ABOUT GANGS NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT A GANG IS, EVEN THE EXPERTS DONT REALLY KNOW WHAT A GANG IS SO THEY OFTEN CITE CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT ARE COMMON AMONGST GANGS SUCH AS TERRITORY AND CRIME AND CONFLICT WITH OTHER GROUPS LIKE THEM.

MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT A GANG IS JUST
- COMPOSED OF A MINORITY GROUP (MOSTLY BLACK YOUTH - PROBLEM BEING POLICE SEE TWO GROUPS THAT ARE THE SAME ONE WHITE, ONE BLACK - THE WHITE GROUP IS OVERLOOKED WHILST THE BLACK ONE IS LABELLED A GANG AND THEN HASSLED)
- HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN SHOTTIN DRUGS AND KILLING PEOPLE

HERE IS A LINK FOR WOT IS A GANG - AND GANGS IN THE UK:
http://gangsinlondon.piczo.com/whatareg ... var=000044

LONDON "STREET GANG" HISTORY BEGINS IN THE 1980S - PRIOR TO THIS THERE WERE GROUPS THAT COULD BE SEEN OF AS GANGS BUT ALL STUDIES DURING THE PRE 1980S PERIOD WERE CONCERNED WITH THE BRITISH SUB-CULTURES - ONE QUOTE IN THAT STATES THAT "AMERICA IS HOME TO THE GANG WHILST BRITAIN PLAYS HOST TO NUMEORUS SUB-CULTURES"

NOW IF YOU CONSIDER TWO GROUPS AROUND DURING THIS PERIOD OF SUB-CULTURES, THE TEDDY BOYS AND THE NATIONAL FRONT, THE WAY THESE WHITE GROUPS BEAT DOWN ON BLACKS AND ASIANS THEREFORE FORCING BLACKS AND ASIANS TO GROUP TOGEHTER FOR PROTECTION RESULTING IN LARGE SCALE VIOLENT CLASHES IS VERY SIMILAR TO HOW ALONSO AND THE HBO DOCUMENTARY "BASTARDS OF THE PARTY" SEE THE BEGINNINGS OF CERTAIN GANGS IN SOUTH LOS ANGELES

GANG LIKE SUBCULTURE EVOLUTION IN WEST LONDON FROM http://gangsinlondon.piczo.com/westlond ... var=000044

In the mid 50s as youth culture defined. The local teenage rampage was commonplace in the old Prince of Wales Cinema on Harrow Road. In the wake of the rock and roll era Elvis become the role model of the Teds. As the Teds progressed from slashing cinema seats to harassing Cypriot and West Indian immigrants the look (which originated from Elephant and Castle) caught on in Notting Hill, particularly on Southern Street in Kensal.

“If you were a Teddy Boy what you aspired to was a 40 guinea suit”. Musically up until the late 50’s skiffle and jazz still held sway, people who used pubs were of an older generation, rock n roll hadnt kicked in the pubs and the younger Teddy Boys were still going to coffee bars or to the West End. Meanwhile, Notting Dale was rocking anyway. Regardless of music trends, the old slum area to the west of Ladbroke Grove was in a permanent riot waiting to happen state.

Notting Dale came into existence in the early 19th century as a shanty town inhabited by brickmakers and pigkeepers, officially known as the Kensington Potteries. A hundred years earlier Charles Dickens had referred to it as a plague spot and the not so far away northern slum of Kensal Town slum had been the venue of an anti Irish race riot in the 1860s. Notting dale in particular was known as a police no-mans land where anything can happen and usually does, “it seemed on every street corner brawls and quarrels were taking place”. Here groups of white youngsters would lounge against walls gibing West Indians and Cypriots.

At the time of the Mau Mau uprising in Kenya, a local boxing instructor teamed up with Jamaican boxer Lloyd Barnett to prevent a race riot developing from a dispute at a dance in the Kensington Public baths’ Argyll Hall on Lancaster Road. As a Teddy Boy white faction and a group of hot headed West Indians argued over who collected their coats first

The advent of the teenager coincided not very happily with the arrival of the first major wave of West Indian immigrants in Britain, to ease post war labour shortage. For many West Indians was disenchantment with ‘the mother country’ as they encountered racial discrimination in housing, employment and social life.

By 1958 its estimated that 7,000 West Indian immigrants settled in Notting Hill and the Colville areas was nicknamed “Brown Town” – as opposed to White City, the other side of the racial frontline was Notting Dale. There was an atmosphere of sexual jealousy and general ill-feeling towards West Indians, caused by a disproportionate number of black pimps with white prostitutes. For some “the Grove" was a testing ground in which people lived wild and free, uninhibited by laws and respectability. This was how it was at the end of the 50s. It was only Notting Hill/Grove that there was public life. Clubs, restaurants, cafes, music, street corner talk. This was the work of the immigrants.

With most local pubs unwelcoming, the hustlers/rude boys had their own scene, consisting of various types of clubs. There were after hours drinking clubs, basement/cellar clubs for daytime gambling, and blues clubs. Blues dance music went from jazz, calypso and Jamaican RnB through ska and rocksteady to 70s dub reggae.

West Indians would eventually establish a presence in Notting Hill pubs, most notably the Colville Hotel affectionately known as the pisshouse, and the Apollo on All Saints Road, followed by the Warwick Castle and Golden Cross on Portobello Road and the Kensington Park Hotel on Ladbroke Grove. Like the Irish shebeens and the most violent mushroom clubs of the indigenous English villains, blues clubs could crop up anywhere but tended to be in the areas around Powis Sq and St Stephens Gardens – this defines the original West Indian Grove areas as more Westbourne than Ladbroke.

Back in 1953, the Notting Hill crime of the century was solved when West Indian tenants of 10 Rillington Place encouraged John Christie to move out, and discovered the bodies of 3 prostitutes in a cupboard. In July, as the temperature rose, reports of isolated racial attacks around the area increased in seriousness, from general harassment to serious assault. In August, a local petition was organised and there were calls in the press for something to be done about the increasing violence.

Just before the riot in Notting Hill there was race rioting occurring in Nottingham. The night of the first Nottingham incident a gang of teenagers were driving around Shepherds Bush and Notting Hill attacking any black people they came across. After that racial tension increased.

The incident that started the Notting Hill riots was an innocent domestic dispute between a Jamaican man and his Swedish wife outside Latimer Road station. The argument attracted a crowd and the Jamaican was heckled by a group of white males who then attracted a group of West Indian men, there was a scuffle and that was the end of the beginning. The following night a local mob attacked a house on Bard Road and a blues party on Blechynden Street, setting off the late August riot weekend.


A SIMILAR EXTRACT ON ASIAN GANGS IN TOWER HAMLETS EAST LONDON http://gangsinlondon.piczo.com/towerham ... var=000044

There were only 10,000 National Front votes in London in 1973. By 1977 this had soared to 117,000 most prominently in Hackney, Waltham Forest, Redbridge, Newham & Enfield. In Tower Hamlets much of the borough was affected by NF voters and most notably in Stepney, Poplar and Bethnal Green.

In 1976 the Union of Pakistan Organisation was set up in response to facist and racialist attacks. It was a collection of groups willing to defend immigrant communities in Britain. It also called for the banning of racialist organisation National Front. Meanwhile in Southall the gang Holy Smokes formed to protect local Indians from racist atttacks in West London. In 1976 Tower Hamlets Bengali population was still only 6,000 far short of todays 40,000. The first and second generation Bengali population of Tower Hamlets were subject to much racial abuse and unlike the youths of today were not ones to fight back.

The Spitalfields area become recognised as a new Bengali community in the 1970s. The immigrants lived in the huddle of streets branching off Brick Lane. Fifty years previously it had been Londons East End Jewish ghetto. Like the racial abuse suffered previously by the Jewish population Bengalis were no exception.

In 1978 nearly 200 white youths stormed through this Bengali district where racial violence had been ever increasing. Shops and cars were damaged and the GLC proposed to establish racially segregated housing areas as oppose to more police protection.

Attacks on Bengalis in the Brick Lane area of Spitalfields had usually been the work of relatively small groups. This however was carried out by the largest gang to assemble to threaten Asians in the area. It was common for groups to insult the growing Bengali community in Tower Hamlts. But this incident was different, a turning point perhps, as bottles stones and masonry were thrown as youths rushed the street.

Bengali youths like other south Asian groups such as Indians and Pakistanis in London would eventually form gangs. In 1979 a group of NF supporters chased a young Bengali along Brick Lane before kicking him to death. Following this incident Bengali youths began to form vigilante groups, however, the racial torment by white National Front would continue into the 1980s.

In 1984, there were 319 racial attacks recorded against Bengalis in Tower Hamlets. In 1985 there were 485 racial attacks against Bengalis. The picture becomes clear? In the late 80s it was feared racial tensions would be heightened following the stabbing of a white boy by a gang of Bengali youths.

The attack was a new take on the racial confrontations whereby most attacks had been whites on Asians. Asian community leaders became fearful that their young people may have learned to retaliate with violence or even attack rather than just acting to protect themselves.

Another develop of the time is the growth of a Somali community in Tower Hamlets in the late 80s and early 90s. The New Somali Restaurant was the first of its kind in East London. "Gang warfare" between Bengali and Somali youths in one school saw Asian youths attending classes with meat clevers hidden under clothes. (War torn Somali meant a large increase in Somalians to Britain from 1988 onwards, Tower Hamlets has the largest Somali community in London with over 15,000)

Feuding between the groups began quickly. Like the way in which whites had targetted Bengalis (as new arrivals), the Bengalis returned the hostility to the new forming Somali community. Somalis were the most recent arrivals to Tower Hamlets, historically Londons most deprived borough, where tensions have always been sharp. Somalians become the easiest scapegoat for young bored and frustrated Bengalis.

In the way black-white conflict turned to black-black conflict, the traditional emnities of Tower Hamlets began to change. White against black/asian conflicts are giving way to new rivalries; Asian against Asian & Asian against Somali. From a Somali point of view it felt as though "we (Somalians) had invaded their (Bengali) area".

In 1991, Tower Hamlets, like previous decades was still a product of poverty. Commerce (for locals anyway, not the yuppies invading Canary Wharf) was in terminal decline, the average resident lives in a council flat whilst unemployed. Ethnic minorities, including whites, have turned in on themselves and become segregated and embroiled in territorial rivalries. Racial violence continued to increase and Asian gangs were becoming a new phenomena, the increasing frequency of their confrontations a sign of things to come?

Gangs began to rule estates. Every estate had its gang. The ethnic minorities did not exactly mix and the young Bengalis are alienated. They dont feel totally Bengali, they're not accepted by western culture and reject their own sticking them right in the middle of it all. The estates and areas where the gangs began to rule were Brick Lane, the Ocean Estate, Cannon Street Road, Bethnal Green Road, Vallance Road and Shadwell. The gangs predominantly were from the E1 and E2 areas.

The gangs to first form in the 1980s were Bengal Tigers, Osmani and the Brick Lane Massive, in response to racial violence. It was in the 90s that their territorial disputes erupted into pitched inter-Bengali battles that alarmed community elders. Bengali gang fighting become of particular concern in 1993 when a mini-riot of some 60 youths began on Brick Lane.

Windows were smashed and restaurants trashed in a fight sparked by a trivial dispute. Rival gang leaders got together and agreed a truce at a mass meeting on the Ed festival marking the end of Ramadan. However, it was not sustained for a significant period and violence between bengalis and racial attacks were still prevalent in the borough.

In the mid 1990s another "truce" was attempted when leaders of the Brick Lane Massive, Stepney Posse and Cannon Street Posse pledged to work together to keep the peace. The Committee of Youth Against Violence was renamed "Aasha" (hope) by its members and founders.

SOME OF THE MOST KNOWN GANGS / GANG AREAS ACROSS LONDON

TOTTENHAM MAN DEM / NORTHSTAR - NORTH LONDON
LONDON FIELD BOYS - EAST LONDON
HOLLY STREET BOYS - EAST LONDON
PEMBURY BOYS - EAST LONDON
PECKHAM BOYS - SOUTH EAST LONDON
GHETTO BOYS - SOUTH EAST LONDON
WOOLWICH SOMALIANS - SOUTH EAST LONDON
BEAUMONT CREW - EAST LONDON
MURDER DEM PUSSIES - WEST LONDON
POVERTY DRIVEN CHILDREN - SOUTH WEST LONDON
SOUTH MAN SYNDICATE/SOUTH MUSLIM SOLDIERS - SOUTH WEST LONDON
WOOD GREEN MOB - NORTH LONDON


AVERAGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN EACH LONDON GANG CAN VERY FROM IN THE 10S TO IN THE 100S - DEPENDS HOW YOU COUNT IT, A GANG COULD HAVE LIKE SEVERAL CLICKS WITH 15 MEMBERS BUT A COMBINED TOTAL OF OVER A 100

[Azure9920]

lol@ Brits acting hard... ...

Americans acting dumb.

I'm not American....

[9Caliber]

lol@ Brits acting hard... ...

Americans acting dumb.

I'm not American....

Either way, your acting dumb.

[Azure9920]

lol@ Brits acting hard... ...

Americans acting dumb.

I'm not American....

Either way, your acting dumb.

How's that?

[9Caliber]

Think about what you said.

[Azure9920]

I have, and maybe it's still not clicking, but I don't see anything remotely stupid in what I said.

[Silencioso]

Souljah:

MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT A GANG IS JUST
- COMPOSED OF A MINORITY GROUP (MOSTLY BLACK YOUTH - PROBLEM BEING POLICE SEE TWO GROUPS THAT ARE THE SAME ONE WHITE, ONE BLACK - THE WHITE GROUP IS OVERLOOKED WHILST THE BLACK ONE IS LABELLED A GANG AND THEN HASSLED)
- HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN SHOTTIN DRUGS AND KILLING PEOPLE

Isn't Glasgow the gang capital of the UK? Aren't the gangs there mostly white?

[Jinky08]

All gangs in Glasgow are white, probally sum Asian street gangs on the south side but they never do anythin that i know of, Except from the Kriss donald incident

[9Caliber]

I have, and maybe it's still not clicking, but I don't see anything remotely stupid in what I said.

Why did you say "brits acting hard"?

[OG Cabrini]

Isnt there alot of fake blood/crip gangs in london? i think i remember seeing sumthin on a website that said that

[Jinky08]

Yeah ive read of a few on here, i think theres some in Manchester aswell, Such as OT Crips (Old Trafford Crips)

[SoulJah]

Souljah:

MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT A GANG IS JUST
- COMPOSED OF A MINORITY GROUP (MOSTLY BLACK YOUTH - PROBLEM BEING POLICE SEE TWO GROUPS THAT ARE THE SAME ONE WHITE, ONE BLACK - THE WHITE GROUP IS OVERLOOKED WHILST THE BLACK ONE IS LABELLED A GANG AND THEN HASSLED)
- HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN SHOTTIN DRUGS AND KILLING PEOPLE

Isn't Glasgow the gang capital of the UK? Aren't the gangs there mostly white?

I SHUD HAVE SED MOST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY (ENGLAND) THINK THAT

SCOTLAND IS DIFFERENT COUNTRY EVEN IF WE ARE THE UNITED KINGDOM - AND YEAH GLASGOW IS MOSTLY IF NOT ALL WHITE GANGS BUT WHAT GOES ON IN GLASGOW WE DONT HEAR / READ ABOUT EVERYDAY COS ITS NOT IN THE MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY V.OFTEN

TRUTH BE TOLD SCOTLAND AND GLASGOW IN PARTICULAR HAS A FAR HIGHER MURDER / SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIME RATE THAN ENGLAND AND GLASGOWS MURDER RATE IS OR WAS THE HIGHEST IN WESTERN EUROPE (SOMETHING LIKE 14 PER 100,000 SO TWICE THAT OF NYC AND AS A RATE IT MAY EVEN BE HIGHER THAN LOS ANGELES - BUT!!! THATS IN RATE TERMS ONLY, IN NUMBERS LA HAS 4X AS MANY MURDERS)

[OG Cabrini]

TRUTH BE TOLD SCOTLAND AND GLASGOW IN PARTICULAR HAS A FAR HIGHER MURDER / SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIME RATE THAN ENGLAND AND GLASGOWS MURDER RATE IS OR WAS THE HIGHEST IN WESTERN EUROPE (SOMETHING LIKE 14 PER 100,000 SO TWICE THAT OF NYC AND AS A RATE IT MAY EVEN BE HIGHER THAN LOS ANGELES - BUT!!! THATS IN RATE TERMS ONLY, IN NUMBERS LA HAS 4X AS MANY MURDERS)

When Glasgow hit its 10 year high in terms of murder, the rate was only 5.87/100,000 people not 14/100,000. That means its murder rate was a little lower than NYC's and im thinking alot lower than Chicago's n L.A's.
That year(2002) glasgow had 40 murders n LA had over 650. That means LA had 16 times more murders in total, not 4 lol.

[9Caliber]

Yea I dont't think Glasgow has a murder rate of 14 per 100.000

[Sentenza]

THE MURDER CITY Nov 27 2003

Glasgow is the western European killing capital

By John Mceachran

GLASGOW was yesterday branded the murder capital of western Europe by shock new figures. The horror statistic was revealed alongside damning evidence that the number of illegal killings murders and culpable homicides in Scotland has soared while the conviction rate has plummeted.

A report from the Scottish Executive confirmed thatthe number of people dying in violent incidents had rocketed to its highest level since 1995.

Most deadly attacks were fuelled by booze or drugs and stabbings were the main cause of fatal injuries.

There were 125 incidents which resulted in killings in 2002 40 of them in Glasgow alone and 127 people died as a result.

The majority of victims were stabbed to death by friends or relatives who were in a drunken rage.

The statistics showed that 186 people were arrested for the 127 killings. Nine out of 10 werecaughtwithinamonth of the incident.

But convictions occurred in only 71 of the 125 homicide cases, compared to 75 convictions in 113 cases the previous year.

Eight of the killers in 2002 were under 16 and 46 were aged 16 to 20.

According to the report, the typical murderer was male, aged 16 to 29, lived in Glasgow, knew the victim and stabbed them to deathwith a knife during a drunken weekend row.

Yesterday, Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson vowed to crack down on the killer culture which has blighted so many lives.

She said: ''This kind of behaviour and its shocking consequences can no longer be tolerated in a modern Scotland.

''Too many of these cases result when either the accused or the victim is drunk. Most occur at the weekend and involve young men.''

The figures for 2002 showed Glasgow had a homicide rate of 58.7 people per million of population more than twice the level of the other Scottish cities.

Aberdeen was the second most dangerous city, with an average of 21.9 killings per million while Dundee had 15.9 victims and Edinburgh was safest with just 15.6 fatalities.

Glasgow had the highest rate of any city in western Europe, including Belfast, Madrid, Paris, London, Amsterdam and Dublin.

Only the Baltic states' cities had a higher rate, along with American crime centres such as New Yorkand Washington and the lawless Russian capital, Moscow.

Jamieson added: ''I believe reforms to drinking laws now being considered will reduce this potentially fatal connection between over-indulging in alcohol and violent crime.

''On knife crime, we are committed to reviewing the law and enforcement of such crimes. We have alreadystarted work towards that end.''

Willie Rae, chiefconstable of Strathclyde, where nearly two thirds of the killings 81 out of 127 took place, refused to comment.

But Superintendent Mike Dean described the success of Operation Magnet, which seized more than 200 knives in a six-week crackdown centred on Govan, Glasgow.

He said: ''We took in 40 lock knives, 13 steak knives and 25 kitchen knives.

''Operation Magnet has been extremelysuccessful in tackling the carrying of offensive weapons.''

And he added: ''We havealso launched a new initiative which aims to target particular hot-spots.

''At the weekend, nine weapons, including three machetes and an axe, were taken off the streets.''

SNP leader John Swinney MSP said: ''These figures are horrifying.

''Not only are more homicides being committed, but the conviction rate has fallen by almost 15 per cent.

''Scotland as a whole has one of the highest homicide rates in the EU.

''And Glasgow's figure is double that of London and higher even than Belfast. ''Knife deaths alone have almost doubled since 1997.

''These figures leave Jack McConnell without an alibi for Labour's record of abject failure.

''His Executive loves to talk tough on crime, but the reality is they are convicted by their own statistics.''

And Scots Tory justice spokeswoman Annabel Goldie said: ''Unless we adoptazerotolerance stance, Scotland will continue on its depressing descent into more violence, more crime and more human misery.

''This country must be made a safer place to live.''

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1331201/posts

[Sentenza]

Homicide rate hits 10-year high

Scotland's homicide rate for 2004-05 was the highest in almost a decade, according to newly released figures.

There were 137 victims of homicides in Scotland, 29 more than in 2003-04, and the highest annual total since 1995-96.

In almost three-quarters of the cases, the main accused was known to the victim.

Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson said a strategy to tackle the "cultural acceptance" of violent behaviour would be rolled out next year.

The local authority area with the highest annual homicide rate was Glasgow with 55 victims per million population, more than double the national rate.

The figures included murder and culpable homicide and excluded death by dangerous driving.

As in previous years, the use of a sharp instrument was the most common method of killing in 2004-05, accounting for 72 victims.

However, the number of victims killed in this way was the highest recorded in the past 10 years.

Fifty-five per cent of the 134 homicide cases recorded in 2004/05 have so far resulted in a conviction for murder (44 cases) or culpable homicide (30 cases).

Fifty individual accused people were convicted of murder and 42 of culpable homicide in these cases. Eighty-nine per cent of the accused were male.

Attack motives

Over the past decade, nearly half of the homicides took place at the weekend where the victim and the accused were both male, aged 16-49, and where the main motive was a fight or quarrel.

More than 50% of the accused were acquaintances of the victims and nearly a fifth was a partner or relative.


For 18% of victims the main accused was a stranger.

Of the 127 accused whose drink and drug status was known, 45% were drunk, 10% were on drugs and 15% on drink and drugs.

After the figures were published, Ms Jamieson highlighted a new strategy to "challenge the culture of violence" in Scotland.

She said that, among other measures, Strathclyde Police's Violence Reduction Unit (VRU) would be expanded to create a national "centre of excellence" to share violence prevention best practice across Scotland.

'Harsh reality'

"Serious violent behaviour is a problem which rarely affects those living in our leafy suburbs.

"It is however, a harsh reality for too many people in hard-pressed communities.

"Violence which, as last year's homicide statistics remind us, often involves a victim and attacker who know each other, often carried out by young men aged between 16-24, mostly occurs at the weekends and is too often fuelled by drink."

Ms Jamieson said that in the past year, the executive had brought forward legislation to tackle the problems of knives and irresponsible drinking.

She added: "While the VRU is still in the early stages of its work, violent crime statistics for the first six months of this year show significant improvements.

"We need to build on that kind of approach throughout the country."

Police 'shortage'

Margaret Mitchell MSP, the Conservative justice spokeswoman, said the figures were "very worrying".

She said: "The criminal justice system is haemorrhaging due to a lack of police on our streets and the operation of automatic early release.

"We can see that some of the homicides are committed by those who should still be in prison.

"I am calling on the executive to ditch the rhetoric, to act now and to abolish automatic early release."

SNP justice spokesman Kenny MacAskill MSP said: "What is truly staggering is that Glasgow's homicide rate is higher than Belfast's and is more than double the Scotland-wide rate.

'Knife culture'

"The knife culture must be stamped out and a growing gun culture nipped in the bud.

"The underlying causes of crime need targeted, but there must be no mercy shown to those who use guns, knives or other weapons randomly or indiscriminately."

Jeremy Purvis MSP, Liberal Democrat justice spokesman said: "These are disturbing figures, especially that 53% of the murders were committed by people with knives.

"This adds weight to my view that the Police Bill needs to be tougher on knife crime.

"We should take this opportunity to bring the law on knife crime into line with the law on firearms."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4527570.stm

[SoulJah]

When Glasgow hit its 10 year high in terms of murder, the rate was only 5.87/100,000 people not 14/100,000. That means its murder rate was a little lower than NYC's and im thinking alot lower than Chicago's n L.A's.
That year(2002) glasgow had 40 murders n LA had over 650. That means LA had 16 times more murders in total, not 4 lol.

OH OK - WELL THE ARTICLE I READ HAD STATED 130+ (WHICH WOULD MAKE LA'S CURRENT FIGURE ONLY 4 TIMES HIGHER) SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN CONFUSING THE SCOTLAND FIGURE WITH JUST GLASGOW. STILL LA IS DOWN TO THE 400'S NOW WELL AWAY FROM THE 1000 FIGURES IN THE EARLY 1990S

6.66 FOR GLASGOW NOT 5.87 THE ARTICLE IS WRONG - THERE ARE BETWEEN 580,000-600,000 IN THE CITY BOUNDARY BUT RIGHTLY SO STILL SLIGHTLY BEHIND NEW YORK

IN REALITY THESE RATES AND NUMBERS MIGHT BE BIG FOR THE WESTERN WORLD BUT THESE ARE DWARFED MASSIVELY BY CERTAIN SOUTH AMERICAN, AFRICAN AND EASTERN EUROPEAN CITIES

IF THATS ALL THE MURDER RATE REALLY WAS THEN THOUGH THE MEDIA HYPE HAS WRONGLY NAMED GLASGOW AS HAVING THE HIGHEST MURDER RATE IN WESTERN EUROPE COS MANCHESTERS 36 MURDERS IN 2002 WOULD HAVE BEEN A RATE OF 9.2

FUCK THE MEDIA AND STATISTICS - THEY ALWAYS GET THINGS WRONG, BEST PLACE TO LOOK FOR FIGURES IS THE POLICE WEBSITES OR GOVERNMENT WEBSITES (SO HOMEOFFICE/FBI/LAPD/STRATHCLYDEPOLICE OR WHATEVER ETC)

ANYWAYS GETTING BACK TO LONDON, SHOULD HAVE REALY INCLUDED THIS IN GLASGOW THREAD....

[9Caliber]

London has a lot or murder, but because its such a big place the murder rate is very small.

Does anyone know how many murder are commited in London each year?

[SoulJah]

London has a lot or murder, but because its such a big place the murder rate is very small.

Does anyone know how many murder are commited in London each year?

WAS 222 IN 2003 BUT DOWN TO AROUND 170/160 IN 2007 - POLICE ESTIMATE OVER 50% TO BE GANG/ORGANISED CRIME RELATED

[necron]

London has a lot or murder, but because its such a big place the murder rate is very small.

Does anyone know how many murder are commited in London each year?

WAS 222 IN 2003 BUT DOWN TO AROUND 170/160 IN 2007 - POLICE ESTIMATE OVER 50% TO BE GANG/ORGANISED CRIME RELATED

I was watching International Football factories on Bravo the other week and Danny Dyer was in Brazil. I can't remeber whether it was Sao Paulo or Rio de Janerio but he stated that London had less than 150 murders last year compared to over 6000 to either Sao Paulo or Rio. That brings things into perspective.

[dinky]

Glasgow's population is nearer 500,000 than a million and averages between 60 to 80 murders a year.