London, England gangs in 2008

[OG Cabrini]

Isnt there alot of fake blood/crip gangs in london? i think i remember seeing sumthin on a website that said that

[Jinky08]

Yeah ive read of a few on here, i think theres some in Manchester aswell, Such as OT Crips (Old Trafford Crips)

[SoulJah]

Souljah:

MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT A GANG IS JUST
- COMPOSED OF A MINORITY GROUP (MOSTLY BLACK YOUTH - PROBLEM BEING POLICE SEE TWO GROUPS THAT ARE THE SAME ONE WHITE, ONE BLACK - THE WHITE GROUP IS OVERLOOKED WHILST THE BLACK ONE IS LABELLED A GANG AND THEN HASSLED)
- HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN SHOTTIN DRUGS AND KILLING PEOPLE

Isn't Glasgow the gang capital of the UK? Aren't the gangs there mostly white?

I SHUD HAVE SED MOST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY (ENGLAND) THINK THAT

SCOTLAND IS DIFFERENT COUNTRY EVEN IF WE ARE THE UNITED KINGDOM - AND YEAH GLASGOW IS MOSTLY IF NOT ALL WHITE GANGS BUT WHAT GOES ON IN GLASGOW WE DONT HEAR / READ ABOUT EVERYDAY COS ITS NOT IN THE MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY V.OFTEN

TRUTH BE TOLD SCOTLAND AND GLASGOW IN PARTICULAR HAS A FAR HIGHER MURDER / SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIME RATE THAN ENGLAND AND GLASGOWS MURDER RATE IS OR WAS THE HIGHEST IN WESTERN EUROPE (SOMETHING LIKE 14 PER 100,000 SO TWICE THAT OF NYC AND AS A RATE IT MAY EVEN BE HIGHER THAN LOS ANGELES - BUT!!! THATS IN RATE TERMS ONLY, IN NUMBERS LA HAS 4X AS MANY MURDERS)

[OG Cabrini]

TRUTH BE TOLD SCOTLAND AND GLASGOW IN PARTICULAR HAS A FAR HIGHER MURDER / SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIME RATE THAN ENGLAND AND GLASGOWS MURDER RATE IS OR WAS THE HIGHEST IN WESTERN EUROPE (SOMETHING LIKE 14 PER 100,000 SO TWICE THAT OF NYC AND AS A RATE IT MAY EVEN BE HIGHER THAN LOS ANGELES - BUT!!! THATS IN RATE TERMS ONLY, IN NUMBERS LA HAS 4X AS MANY MURDERS)

When Glasgow hit its 10 year high in terms of murder, the rate was only 5.87/100,000 people not 14/100,000. That means its murder rate was a little lower than NYC's and im thinking alot lower than Chicago's n L.A's.
That year(2002) glasgow had 40 murders n LA had over 650. That means LA had 16 times more murders in total, not 4 lol.

[9Caliber]

Yea I dont't think Glasgow has a murder rate of 14 per 100.000

[Sentenza]

THE MURDER CITY Nov 27 2003

Glasgow is the western European killing capital

By John Mceachran

GLASGOW was yesterday branded the murder capital of western Europe by shock new figures. The horror statistic was revealed alongside damning evidence that the number of illegal killings murders and culpable homicides in Scotland has soared while the conviction rate has plummeted.

A report from the Scottish Executive confirmed thatthe number of people dying in violent incidents had rocketed to its highest level since 1995.

Most deadly attacks were fuelled by booze or drugs and stabbings were the main cause of fatal injuries.

There were 125 incidents which resulted in killings in 2002 40 of them in Glasgow alone and 127 people died as a result.

The majority of victims were stabbed to death by friends or relatives who were in a drunken rage.

The statistics showed that 186 people were arrested for the 127 killings. Nine out of 10 werecaughtwithinamonth of the incident.

But convictions occurred in only 71 of the 125 homicide cases, compared to 75 convictions in 113 cases the previous year.

Eight of the killers in 2002 were under 16 and 46 were aged 16 to 20.

According to the report, the typical murderer was male, aged 16 to 29, lived in Glasgow, knew the victim and stabbed them to deathwith a knife during a drunken weekend row.

Yesterday, Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson vowed to crack down on the killer culture which has blighted so many lives.

She said: ''This kind of behaviour and its shocking consequences can no longer be tolerated in a modern Scotland.

''Too many of these cases result when either the accused or the victim is drunk. Most occur at the weekend and involve young men.''

The figures for 2002 showed Glasgow had a homicide rate of 58.7 people per million of population more than twice the level of the other Scottish cities.

Aberdeen was the second most dangerous city, with an average of 21.9 killings per million while Dundee had 15.9 victims and Edinburgh was safest with just 15.6 fatalities.

Glasgow had the highest rate of any city in western Europe, including Belfast, Madrid, Paris, London, Amsterdam and Dublin.

Only the Baltic states' cities had a higher rate, along with American crime centres such as New Yorkand Washington and the lawless Russian capital, Moscow.

Jamieson added: ''I believe reforms to drinking laws now being considered will reduce this potentially fatal connection between over-indulging in alcohol and violent crime.

''On knife crime, we are committed to reviewing the law and enforcement of such crimes. We have alreadystarted work towards that end.''

Willie Rae, chiefconstable of Strathclyde, where nearly two thirds of the killings 81 out of 127 took place, refused to comment.

But Superintendent Mike Dean described the success of Operation Magnet, which seized more than 200 knives in a six-week crackdown centred on Govan, Glasgow.

He said: ''We took in 40 lock knives, 13 steak knives and 25 kitchen knives.

''Operation Magnet has been extremelysuccessful in tackling the carrying of offensive weapons.''

And he added: ''We havealso launched a new initiative which aims to target particular hot-spots.

''At the weekend, nine weapons, including three machetes and an axe, were taken off the streets.''

SNP leader John Swinney MSP said: ''These figures are horrifying.

''Not only are more homicides being committed, but the conviction rate has fallen by almost 15 per cent.

''Scotland as a whole has one of the highest homicide rates in the EU.

''And Glasgow's figure is double that of London and higher even than Belfast. ''Knife deaths alone have almost doubled since 1997.

''These figures leave Jack McConnell without an alibi for Labour's record of abject failure.

''His Executive loves to talk tough on crime, but the reality is they are convicted by their own statistics.''

And Scots Tory justice spokeswoman Annabel Goldie said: ''Unless we adoptazerotolerance stance, Scotland will continue on its depressing descent into more violence, more crime and more human misery.

''This country must be made a safer place to live.''

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1331201/posts

[Sentenza]

Homicide rate hits 10-year high

Scotland's homicide rate for 2004-05 was the highest in almost a decade, according to newly released figures.

There were 137 victims of homicides in Scotland, 29 more than in 2003-04, and the highest annual total since 1995-96.

In almost three-quarters of the cases, the main accused was known to the victim.

Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson said a strategy to tackle the "cultural acceptance" of violent behaviour would be rolled out next year.

The local authority area with the highest annual homicide rate was Glasgow with 55 victims per million population, more than double the national rate.

The figures included murder and culpable homicide and excluded death by dangerous driving.

As in previous years, the use of a sharp instrument was the most common method of killing in 2004-05, accounting for 72 victims.

However, the number of victims killed in this way was the highest recorded in the past 10 years.

Fifty-five per cent of the 134 homicide cases recorded in 2004/05 have so far resulted in a conviction for murder (44 cases) or culpable homicide (30 cases).

Fifty individual accused people were convicted of murder and 42 of culpable homicide in these cases. Eighty-nine per cent of the accused were male.

Attack motives

Over the past decade, nearly half of the homicides took place at the weekend where the victim and the accused were both male, aged 16-49, and where the main motive was a fight or quarrel.

More than 50% of the accused were acquaintances of the victims and nearly a fifth was a partner or relative.


For 18% of victims the main accused was a stranger.

Of the 127 accused whose drink and drug status was known, 45% were drunk, 10% were on drugs and 15% on drink and drugs.

After the figures were published, Ms Jamieson highlighted a new strategy to "challenge the culture of violence" in Scotland.

She said that, among other measures, Strathclyde Police's Violence Reduction Unit (VRU) would be expanded to create a national "centre of excellence" to share violence prevention best practice across Scotland.

'Harsh reality'

"Serious violent behaviour is a problem which rarely affects those living in our leafy suburbs.

"It is however, a harsh reality for too many people in hard-pressed communities.

"Violence which, as last year's homicide statistics remind us, often involves a victim and attacker who know each other, often carried out by young men aged between 16-24, mostly occurs at the weekends and is too often fuelled by drink."

Ms Jamieson said that in the past year, the executive had brought forward legislation to tackle the problems of knives and irresponsible drinking.

She added: "While the VRU is still in the early stages of its work, violent crime statistics for the first six months of this year show significant improvements.

"We need to build on that kind of approach throughout the country."

Police 'shortage'

Margaret Mitchell MSP, the Conservative justice spokeswoman, said the figures were "very worrying".

She said: "The criminal justice system is haemorrhaging due to a lack of police on our streets and the operation of automatic early release.

"We can see that some of the homicides are committed by those who should still be in prison.

"I am calling on the executive to ditch the rhetoric, to act now and to abolish automatic early release."

SNP justice spokesman Kenny MacAskill MSP said: "What is truly staggering is that Glasgow's homicide rate is higher than Belfast's and is more than double the Scotland-wide rate.

'Knife culture'

"The knife culture must be stamped out and a growing gun culture nipped in the bud.

"The underlying causes of crime need targeted, but there must be no mercy shown to those who use guns, knives or other weapons randomly or indiscriminately."

Jeremy Purvis MSP, Liberal Democrat justice spokesman said: "These are disturbing figures, especially that 53% of the murders were committed by people with knives.

"This adds weight to my view that the Police Bill needs to be tougher on knife crime.

"We should take this opportunity to bring the law on knife crime into line with the law on firearms."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4527570.stm

[SoulJah]

When Glasgow hit its 10 year high in terms of murder, the rate was only 5.87/100,000 people not 14/100,000. That means its murder rate was a little lower than NYC's and im thinking alot lower than Chicago's n L.A's.
That year(2002) glasgow had 40 murders n LA had over 650. That means LA had 16 times more murders in total, not 4 lol.

OH OK - WELL THE ARTICLE I READ HAD STATED 130+ (WHICH WOULD MAKE LA'S CURRENT FIGURE ONLY 4 TIMES HIGHER) SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN CONFUSING THE SCOTLAND FIGURE WITH JUST GLASGOW. STILL LA IS DOWN TO THE 400'S NOW WELL AWAY FROM THE 1000 FIGURES IN THE EARLY 1990S

6.66 FOR GLASGOW NOT 5.87 THE ARTICLE IS WRONG - THERE ARE BETWEEN 580,000-600,000 IN THE CITY BOUNDARY BUT RIGHTLY SO STILL SLIGHTLY BEHIND NEW YORK

IN REALITY THESE RATES AND NUMBERS MIGHT BE BIG FOR THE WESTERN WORLD BUT THESE ARE DWARFED MASSIVELY BY CERTAIN SOUTH AMERICAN, AFRICAN AND EASTERN EUROPEAN CITIES

IF THATS ALL THE MURDER RATE REALLY WAS THEN THOUGH THE MEDIA HYPE HAS WRONGLY NAMED GLASGOW AS HAVING THE HIGHEST MURDER RATE IN WESTERN EUROPE COS MANCHESTERS 36 MURDERS IN 2002 WOULD HAVE BEEN A RATE OF 9.2

FUCK THE MEDIA AND STATISTICS - THEY ALWAYS GET THINGS WRONG, BEST PLACE TO LOOK FOR FIGURES IS THE POLICE WEBSITES OR GOVERNMENT WEBSITES (SO HOMEOFFICE/FBI/LAPD/STRATHCLYDEPOLICE OR WHATEVER ETC)

ANYWAYS GETTING BACK TO LONDON, SHOULD HAVE REALY INCLUDED THIS IN GLASGOW THREAD....

[9Caliber]

London has a lot or murder, but because its such a big place the murder rate is very small.

Does anyone know how many murder are commited in London each year?

[SoulJah]

London has a lot or murder, but because its such a big place the murder rate is very small.

Does anyone know how many murder are commited in London each year?

WAS 222 IN 2003 BUT DOWN TO AROUND 170/160 IN 2007 - POLICE ESTIMATE OVER 50% TO BE GANG/ORGANISED CRIME RELATED

[necron]

London has a lot or murder, but because its such a big place the murder rate is very small.

Does anyone know how many murder are commited in London each year?

WAS 222 IN 2003 BUT DOWN TO AROUND 170/160 IN 2007 - POLICE ESTIMATE OVER 50% TO BE GANG/ORGANISED CRIME RELATED

I was watching International Football factories on Bravo the other week and Danny Dyer was in Brazil. I can't remeber whether it was Sao Paulo or Rio de Janerio but he stated that London had less than 150 murders last year compared to over 6000 to either Sao Paulo or Rio. That brings things into perspective.

[dinky]

Glasgow's population is nearer 500,000 than a million and averages between 60 to 80 murders a year.

[LONDONSECTION]

FALKON IS RITE ABOUT NO SPECIFIC GANGS RUN LONDON.... GANGS IN LONDON ALL RUN THEIR OWN BIT OF CLAIMED TERITORY.... BUT FLAKON U MADE A SMALL EROOR, PDC ARE NOT THE BIGGEST GANG IN "LONDON" THEY R THE BIGGEST GANG IN "SOUTH LONDON".... IN EAST LONDON THE GANG NAMED "BRICK LANE MASSIVE" AND "ASIAN VIRUS" ARE THE BIGGEST GANGS.... FURTHERMORE ASIAN GANGS IN LONDON ARE SAID 2 BE A HUGE PROBLEM AS THEY ARE SAID 2 BE RANGIN IN ALL AREAS OF CRIMES SUCH AS DRUGS (THEY R SAID 2 HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OVA THE HEROIN AND COCAINE INDUSTRY) KIDNAPPINGS, STABBINGS, FIREARMS (ASIAN GANGS ARE SAID 2 HAVE FIREARMS BUT DO NOT USE THEM WITHIN THEIR OWN RACED PEOPLE NO MATTER WHAT THE DISPUTE THOUGH STUPIDLY WILL STAB 2 KILL OVER THE DISPUTE)...ASIAN GANGS IN LONDON R PRIMARILY LOCATED NEAR EACHOTHER AS THE ASIANS IN LONDON HAVE CHOSEN 2 MIGRATE IN CERTAIN SPECIFIC PLACES EG TOWER HAMLETS, NEWHAM, ISLINGTON ETC RATHER BE SPREAD ALL OVER

[Jakk]

24 the year (street gang related) and its september so I'm very sceptical of figures over 30/40 for 2006 or over years so if there is to be numbers like that


in fact there was only 17 youth (20yrs & younger) gang related murders compared to 323 incidents (dealt with) involving guns in 2006 it went up to 27 in 2007 with 279 incidents (dealt with) involving guns

http://gangsinlondon.piczo.com/londonst ... var=000044

[Jakk]

17 homicides in Scotland 2004/5 according to the Scotish Goverment you probly meant violent incidents if stitisics where as high some on here half the youth of London, Manchest, Liverpoole, Burmingham, Leeds, Glasgow and Newcastle would... god forbid would be dead and we wouldn't have a young Team GB for 2012

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications ... 3031/30316

[dinky]

Check your link again 134 murders in Scotland in 2004/05

[Jakk]

oh yea my bad

[Jakk]

ok thats not good just found this;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... crime.html

Metropolitan Police reported the most incidents, with 167 murders in 2007/8, up from 158. There were other big rises in Lancashire, where murders went up by five to 48, and in Avon and Somerset where the number of homicides jumped from 11 to 16.

the later being my constabulary!!

Overall, the number of murders for the 24 forces surveyed increased from 459 to 461.

wtf they better hurry up and do something fast

[SoulJah]

[quote"jakk"]Overall, the number of murders for the 24 forces surveyed increased from 459 to 461.

wtf they better hurry up and do something fast[/quote]

YOU DO REALISE AN INCREASE FROM 459 TO 461 ONLY MEANS ANOTHER 2 EXTRA MURDERS THROUGHOUT AN ENTIRE 365 DAYS

NO WESTERN COUNTRY HAS MASSIVE RATES OF HOMICIDE, NOT EVEN THE USA. IN NYC'S HEYDAY THERE WERE 2200 HOMICIDES IN A CITY OF 8MILLION - THAT MEANS 0.0275% (0.0031% HIGHEST IN LONDON IN 2003, 9X LOWER THAN NYC) OF THE CITIES POPULATION WERE MURDER VICTIMS - THE CHANCE OF BEING A MURDER VICTIM IN THE USA ARE TINY FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON, OBVIOUSLY BEING A GANG MEMBER FOR EXAMPLE WOULD INCREASE THOSE ODDS

[SCULLYLONDON198]

FALKON IS RITE ABOUT NO SPECIFIC GANGS RUN LONDON.... GANGS IN LONDON ALL RUN THEIR OWN BIT OF CLAIMED TERITORY.... BUT FLAKON U MADE A SMALL EROOR, PDC ARE NOT THE BIGGEST GANG IN "LONDON" THEY R THE BIGGEST GANG IN "SOUTH LONDON".... IN EAST LONDON THE GANG NAMED "BRICK LANE MASSIVE" AND "ASIAN VIRUS" ARE THE BIGGEST GANGS.... FURTHERMORE ASIAN GANGS IN LONDON ARE SAID 2 BE A HUGE PROBLEM AS THEY ARE SAID 2 BE RANGIN IN ALL AREAS OF CRIMES SUCH AS DRUGS (THEY R SAID 2 HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OVA THE HEROIN AND COCAINE INDUSTRY) KIDNAPPINGS, STABBINGS, FIREARMS (ASIAN GANGS ARE SAID 2 HAVE FIREARMS BUT DO NOT USE THEM WITHIN THEIR OWN RACED PEOPLE NO MATTER WHAT THE DISPUTE THOUGH STUPIDLY WILL STAB 2 KILL OVER THE DISPUTE)...ASIAN GANGS IN LONDON R PRIMARILY LOCATED NEAR EACHOTHER AS THE ASIANS IN LONDON HAVE CHOSEN 2 MIGRATE IN CERTAIN SPECIFIC PLACES EG TOWER HAMLETS, NEWHAM, ISLINGTON ETC RATHER BE SPREAD ALL OVER

SUP PPL,

NEW TO THE SITE..JUST OBSERVING A FEW PREVIOUS POSTS ON LDN - BUT, I ALSO WOULDN'T SAY PDC ARE THE BIGGEST GANG IN "LONDON" OR "SOUTH LONDON" FOR THAT MATTER, BUT ASIAN VIRUS AND BLM ARE SMALLER IN TERMS OF NUMBERS TO PDC AND THEIR AFFILIATES. PDC ARE AN UMBRELLA OF SOUTH LONDON GANGS THROUGHOUT PARTS OF BRIXTON, SW9, THERE BIRTHPLACE.

I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE RUNNINGS WITH ASIAN VIRUS BEING A TROUBLESOME GROUP IN EAST LONDON, BUT PAKI PANTHERS HAVE MADE MORE NOISE THAN THEM, AND THEY'RE SMALL-TIME. ALTHOUGH, I WOULDN'T SAY THE ASIAN GANGS ARE AFRAID TO DECK IT WITH BLACKS, BUT THE POUND MAKES MORE SENSE, INSTEAD OF TURF WARFARE.

ASIANS AND BLACKS HAVE NEVER REALLY HAD ANY ALTERCATIONS OVER TURF IN LONDON, (NOT INCLUDING BIRMINGHAM) IN THE WEST MIDLANDS ..BUT ASIANS FEAR GOING GUN FOR GUN..TIT-FOR-TAT WITH BLACK GANGS, NO OFFENSE TO ASIANS.

MANY OF THEM, HAVEN'T LIVED IN ROUGH AREAS, BEEN EXCLUDED FROM SCHOOL, SHOOTINGS, STABBINGS ETC, ALOT OF THE ASIAN GANG MEMBERS ARE IN PRETTY GOOD JOBS AND GO UNI, HAVE FAMILIES. BLACK TEENAGE GANGS OF LONDON WHERE SAID TO BE THE 2ND BIGGEST THREAT, AFTER TERRORISM IN THE UK. THE FIREARMS AND HEROIN, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, IS AFGHAN, THAT'S NOT PAKISTANI, BANGLADESHI OR INDIAN MY FRIEND.

I CAN OFFICIALLY TELL YOU, THAT ASIANS HAVE NOT TAKEN OVER ANY OF THE TRADES WITHIN THE UK. THEY HAVE A BIG PRESENCE IN THE ALREADY MENTIONED BUT HAVEN'T TAKEN OVER ANYTHING. IF THAT WAS THE CASE (AS CROWDED AS THE GAME IS ALREADY), YOU WOULD'VE SEEN ALOT OF NEWS REPORTS ON THE TV.

[cliffard]

scully-not wantin to be a smartarse but the heroin scene in b'ham/w. mids seems to be pretty much dominated by pakistani geezers, i know there linkage must be with afghans but a lot of them have family in north west frontier province (afghan/pakistan border), also handsworth,sparkbrook,small heath,alum rock,highgate,balsall heath etc. are all rough areas and a lot of the asians there have had it hard coming up. also where a lot of them are making money off the brown its a short step to shottin rock also.

[SCULLYLONDON198]

I hear that bro, but that's in the West Midlands, I'm talking more so in Greater London. Maybe what your talking about is right, in Brum, considering the Asians up there are all top range mob goons in their respective communities. I ain't getting it twisted - anybody whose anybody, will know that Brum Asians are on a very seriousness.

Asian gang-members might not have the same reputation as their Black counter-parts, with less well defined gangs, but what I know is there gang neighborhoods are very very serious and more concentrated/less dispersed. Anbody been to Brum and back, know Asian man move on point!

The Turkish mafiaso goons controlled more the Heroin in and around London for a long while. They once had the whole of North East LDN on total lockdown - with shipping. They could do things the PM couldn't. There's too much competition for one race to control two aspects such as Cocaine and Heroin in LDN totally , you got them Albanians - East Europeans at it aswell.


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[cliffard]

cant argue with anything you said there, aint lived london for over 10 years, i didnt realise how powerful the turks are/were apart from what ive seen on "rise of the footsoldier".....

[richardhead]

I was talking to Londons biggest Gangster the other day. He said he has made millions over the years of the Asian and Turk gangs. he is now going to put them back in to the sewer thet they crawled out of. People say that he "Big Dave Courtney" is a police informer and a wife beater. He told me that she, his ex wife was the grass along with her brothers and he is to deal with them in a really painfull way. I know most asian gangs, if not all, in and around london are scared to death of him by name. Should they see him in person they are in for a severe beating. As he said the turks are a myth, a figment of the average joes imagination. I for one would support his actions. He is the Gangster for the people,not just London but the Whole of England. Dave i salute you. I dont want or mean to frighten you foreign Gangs out there but be prepared for your doom.

[cliffard]

^is this for real?

[dinky]

Nah this guys just makin shit up.Dave Courtney isnt even acknowledged in gangland apart from being exposed as a bullshitter and grass in a book called Wannabe in my Gang by Bernard O Mahoney that exposes fake wannabe gangsters like Courtney.So clearly dick head to shorten his name dont know nothing.

[cliffard]

i know what your saying dinky, i read the book by bernard o'mahoney (although havin said that i've read the dave courtney ones as well) but the post highlighted just seemed to be a blatant piss take, i cant see anyone really believing that....just the start of it 'i was talking to londons biggest gangster', i've seen some of this geezers other posts (not to mention his screen name) i can't help thinking hes a raving windup merchant.

[richardhead]

There is a new site on the web www.theratbook.com This is going to be explosive. They have spent millions on this site collecting info and data on every professional trades person,Sports person,Doctor,Dentist,Lawyer etc etc. The data and info is all scandal not a mention of any good that these people may of done. What bothers me most is that they have listed every known terrorist, paedophile,pervert and police informer, they are posting addresses and photo's. Is this freedom of speech gone totally mad, there will be linch mobs in every town around Britain. I think they could of spent them millions on doing some good. P.S Dinky, jinky are your names on that list. You two little rats.

[Jinky08]

I will definetley not be on there.

[dinky]

No RH but yours most definately will be.

[cliffard]

i've been on the rat book site and theres about 4 posts in total all about rip off builders! your man richard head posts about it more than its posted on, i've seen his daft scratchings on a number of boards talkin about it! its a good idea though if you ask me, trouble is you cant trust people not to rip the back out of it i.e. x dont like y, so x posts that y is a grass or a nonce, ends up with y who is innocent gettin battered or burnt out his house.
it should be limited to people who have court record information on them, ie police statements got from lawyers etc., theres a site like it already up and running stateside which lists informants.

[richardhead]

I left my email on that site to see just what it is all about. Did not get much back only a letter that they would be launching in the next few months. If it is just a name and shame site on dodgy builders then I am all for it. If it is to name grasses then this is going to be explosive. I know of a lot of people who have been called a grass with not much substance backing it up. Shit happens.