London, England gangs in 2008

[cliffard]

scully-not wantin to be a smartarse but the heroin scene in b'ham/w. mids seems to be pretty much dominated by pakistani geezers, i know there linkage must be with afghans but a lot of them have family in north west frontier province (afghan/pakistan border), also handsworth,sparkbrook,small heath,alum rock,highgate,balsall heath etc. are all rough areas and a lot of the asians there have had it hard coming up. also where a lot of them are making money off the brown its a short step to shottin rock also.

[SCULLYLONDON198]

I hear that bro, but that's in the West Midlands, I'm talking more so in Greater London. Maybe what your talking about is right, in Brum, considering the Asians up there are all top range mob goons in their respective communities. I ain't getting it twisted - anybody whose anybody, will know that Brum Asians are on a very seriousness.

Asian gang-members might not have the same reputation as their Black counter-parts, with less well defined gangs, but what I know is there gang neighborhoods are very very serious and more concentrated/less dispersed. Anbody been to Brum and back, know Asian man move on point!

The Turkish mafiaso goons controlled more the Heroin in and around London for a long while. They once had the whole of North East LDN on total lockdown - with shipping. They could do things the PM couldn't. There's too much competition for one race to control two aspects such as Cocaine and Heroin in LDN totally , you got them Albanians - East Europeans at it aswell.


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[cliffard]

cant argue with anything you said there, aint lived london for over 10 years, i didnt realise how powerful the turks are/were apart from what ive seen on "rise of the footsoldier".....

[richardhead]

I was talking to Londons biggest Gangster the other day. He said he has made millions over the years of the Asian and Turk gangs. he is now going to put them back in to the sewer thet they crawled out of. People say that he "Big Dave Courtney" is a police informer and a wife beater. He told me that she, his ex wife was the grass along with her brothers and he is to deal with them in a really painfull way. I know most asian gangs, if not all, in and around london are scared to death of him by name. Should they see him in person they are in for a severe beating. As he said the turks are a myth, a figment of the average joes imagination. I for one would support his actions. He is the Gangster for the people,not just London but the Whole of England. Dave i salute you. I dont want or mean to frighten you foreign Gangs out there but be prepared for your doom.

[cliffard]

^is this for real?

[dinky]

Nah this guys just makin shit up.Dave Courtney isnt even acknowledged in gangland apart from being exposed as a bullshitter and grass in a book called Wannabe in my Gang by Bernard O Mahoney that exposes fake wannabe gangsters like Courtney.So clearly dick head to shorten his name dont know nothing.

[cliffard]

i know what your saying dinky, i read the book by bernard o'mahoney (although havin said that i've read the dave courtney ones as well) but the post highlighted just seemed to be a blatant piss take, i cant see anyone really believing that....just the start of it 'i was talking to londons biggest gangster', i've seen some of this geezers other posts (not to mention his screen name) i can't help thinking hes a raving windup merchant.

[richardhead]

There is a new site on the web www.theratbook.com This is going to be explosive. They have spent millions on this site collecting info and data on every professional trades person,Sports person,Doctor,Dentist,Lawyer etc etc. The data and info is all scandal not a mention of any good that these people may of done. What bothers me most is that they have listed every known terrorist, paedophile,pervert and police informer, they are posting addresses and photo's. Is this freedom of speech gone totally mad, there will be linch mobs in every town around Britain. I think they could of spent them millions on doing some good. P.S Dinky, jinky are your names on that list. You two little rats.

[Jinky08]

I will definetley not be on there.

[dinky]

No RH but yours most definately will be.

[cliffard]

i've been on the rat book site and theres about 4 posts in total all about rip off builders! your man richard head posts about it more than its posted on, i've seen his daft scratchings on a number of boards talkin about it! its a good idea though if you ask me, trouble is you cant trust people not to rip the back out of it i.e. x dont like y, so x posts that y is a grass or a nonce, ends up with y who is innocent gettin battered or burnt out his house.
it should be limited to people who have court record information on them, ie police statements got from lawyers etc., theres a site like it already up and running stateside which lists informants.

[richardhead]

I left my email on that site to see just what it is all about. Did not get much back only a letter that they would be launching in the next few months. If it is just a name and shame site on dodgy builders then I am all for it. If it is to name grasses then this is going to be explosive. I know of a lot of people who have been called a grass with not much substance backing it up. Shit happens.

[Rifle]

bengalis have a reputation of being very violent and dangerous. bengali gangs are very deadly and dangerous in east london...gangs like bengal tigers from hackney ended up stabbing some black youths...other well known bengali gangs in east london like the brick lane massive, bethnal green massive, e3 massive, poplar kru, cannon street posse, stepney posse, shadwell massive and globe town massive are all fighting each other for drug distribution...tower hamlets was considered to be the heroin capital of the UK...the numbers in each gang is big biggest is brick lane with over 300 members...rest of the gangs have minimum of 150 members in each...stepney posse has about 250. 26 out of 27 gangs in tower hamlets are bengali

even up north london camden town, most people fear the bengali gangs like the drummond street massive who have a reputation for causing all the serious crimes like stabbings and shootings. they also feud with the cromer street massive which ends up with a riot.

in my opinion blacks in south london are the most dangerous gangs in the uk and also the hackney gangs too. second most dangerous gangs are the bengali youths from east london and north london

manchester and birmingham are not rough or dangerous like everyone makes it out to be even glasgow isnt as bad as london
london is one of the most roughest citys in the world even rougher than new york how ever new york is like 5 times the size of london so obviously crime rates are higher

[Jinky08]

manchester and birmingham are not rough or dangerous like everyone makes it out to be even glasgow isnt as bad as london
london is one of the most roughest citys in the world even rougher than new york how ever new york is like 5 times the size of london so obviously crime rates are higher

Have you ever been to Glasgow? If so, were in the city were you?

[dinky]

The stats dont lie London is one of the safest large cities in the world.New Yorks population is twice that of London not 5 times and Glasgows murder rate is twice that of London yet London is 15 times the population of Glasgow so get yer facts right mate,anybody can come on here and make shit up,London aint violent considering its a huge city.

[SOUFLONDON]

london foever growing. i'm sure the rate would be higher if u took away areas in greater london that most would not really consider london. tho according to recent stats glasgow is violent. - for no reason that they just like to fight up there

[Teflon85]

any major city has it's rough parts. Stabbings and shootings aren't exclusive to London ^^

[Jinky08]

london foever growing. i'm sure the rate would be higher if u took away areas in greater london that most would not really consider london. tho according to recent stats glasgow is violent. - for no reason that they just like to fight up there

Its mainly cause of gang shit thats been going on for a longgggg time.

[SOUFLONDON]

london foever growing. i'm sure the rate would be higher if u took away areas in greater london that most would not really consider london. tho according to recent stats glasgow is violent. - for no reason that they just like to fight up there

Its mainly cause of gang shit thats been going on for a longgggg time.

swear down, that gang violence in glasgow is funny to me. Whenever you see footage of the rival kids getting busy every friday or saturday night after drinking. Pitched battles across a strip of road with sticks, bats and knives.
i mean if u want to hurt the next man, why not just walk over and pop dem ? or wait till they slippin unawares. This is gangbanging at its most primative.
it's like they tryna have honour whilst fighting each other.
Its almost like the violence is serious without being TRULY serious.

totally off the topic.
Nottingham, sheffield and birmingham gangs are known for tattoing there postcodes on their bodies, therefore commiting themselves to a life of representing their hoods

[Jinky08]

Its most definetley serious, And cathcing people slippin unaware is very common, Just the cameras cant catch shit like that for their news article.

[Jinky08]

london foever growing. i'm sure the rate would be higher if u took away areas in greater london that most would not really consider london. tho according to recent stats glasgow is violent. - for no reason that they just like to fight up there

Its mainly cause of gang shit thats been going on for a longgggg time.

swear down, that gang violence in glasgow is funny to me. Whenever you see footage of the rival kids getting busy every friday or saturday night after drinking. Pitched battles across a strip of road with sticks, bats and knives.
i mean if u want to hurt the next man, why not just walk over and pop dem ? or wait till they slippin unawares. This is gangbanging at its most primative.
it's like they tryna have honour whilst fighting each other.
Its almost like the violence is serious without being TRULY serious.

I dont know how it is in London and other English cities but rival schemes are only ever seperated by a street or sometimes a small bridge etc so the main spot theyll clash will be on each others border.

[dinky]

london foever growing. i'm sure the rate would be higher if u took away areas in greater london that most would not really consider london. tho according to recent stats glasgow is violent. - for no reason that they just like to fight up there

London criminals are a lot shrewder than the glasgow ones theres more money making and hustle.Violence for the sake of violence is a stupid mentality to have, but unfortunately thats the way its always been up the road.

[ogilmore]

london foever growing. i'm sure the rate would be higher if u took away areas in greater london that most would not really consider london. tho according to recent stats glasgow is violent. - for no reason that they just like to fight up there

London criminals are a lot shrewder than the glasgow ones theres more money making and hustle.Violence for the sake of violence is a stupid mentality to have, but unfortunately thats the way its always been up the road.

Its only the young lads in glasgow that do that and it has a lot to do with religion. Glasgow gangs have been around for generations, they have a long gang culture and history.

[reppineast]

Can sum1 tell me more bout the glasgow lotz coz i dno much bout dem manz

[reppineast]

Oh an the turin st massive bin makin a lot of noise round tower hamlets
deyv bin goin round shankin the hackney lotz
dey reside in bethnal green and r of bangladeshi descent.

[Jinky08]

Can sum1 tell me more bout the glasgow lotz coz i dno much bout dem manz

What do you want to know?

[dinky]

london foever growing. i'm sure the rate would be higher if u took away areas in greater london that most would not really consider london. tho according to recent stats glasgow is violent. - for no reason that they just like to fight up there

London criminals are a lot shrewder than the glasgow ones theres more money making and hustle.Violence for the sake of violence is a stupid mentality to have, but unfortunately thats the way its always been up the road.

Its only the young lads in glasgow that do that and it has a lot to do with religion. Glasgow gangs have been around for generations, they have a long gang culture and history.

Sorry but its not just the younger lads that do it ,it goes right across the board and religion has got a very small part to play not a large one.Alcohol,gang culture,poverty,3 reasons there among many.

[Jinky08]

I think the fighting cause of religon/football has really died down, last serious thing i can think of was when that celtic fan got his throat sliced at Brigton Cross.

[Jinky08]

In 1996, Jason Campbell, a 23-year-old Protestant, was convicted of the unprovoked murder of 16-year-old Mark Scott, who was wearing a Celtic F.C. jersey, although covered by a jacket at the time. Campbell waited until Scott had walked past the bar doorway in which he was standing, sneaked up behind Scott and cut his throat with a carpet fitter's knife. Scott died instantly. Subsequent floral tributes to the youth laid at the spot of his murder were defaced and destroyed by loyalists and Rangers fans. After being convicted, Campbell applied to be transferred to The Maze prison in Northern Ireland because he believed he would be given political status. However, this request was rejected on the basis that his actions were not political. Campbell's father, Colin, and uncle, William, were jailed for life in 1979 for blowing up two Irish bars in Glasgow which were full of people on a Saturday night. A charge of blowing up a third bar was not proven. Campbell admitted belonging to the proscribed loyalist terrorist group Ulster Volunteer Force.

[reppineast]

i wna kno if itz mostly gang related or jus random attacks
n if itz gang related wat gangs r makin alot of noise?

[Jinky08]

Yes its gang related, The gangs are decades old enemies with each other.

Here a list i made a while ago,

Glasgow Street Gangs

East End Of The City -

Real Calton Tongs
Young Brigton Derry
Young B-Field Posse (Krackpot Torch, Young Spur)
Gallagate Mad Skwad
Duke St Firm
Young Baltic Fleet
Young Parkheed Rebels
Young Parkheed Border
Young Parkheed Wee Men
Young Shettilston Tigers
Young Sonnyhills Mad Skwad
Young Toll-x Wee Men = Changed name Too = Toogle Tongs
Easterhoose - Various Gangs [Bal Toi,Aggro,Skinheeds,Provy,then Toi,Drummy]
And The List Goes On.......

North =

Young Springburn Peg
Young Sighthill Mafia
Royston Catholic Shamrock
Young Milton Tongs
Young Posso Fleeto
Young Blackhill Toi
Young Gringo Fleeto
Young Toonheed Toi
List Goes On....

South

Young Gorbals Cumbie (Oatlands Young Hutchie, Young Waddell Cumbie, Young Xross Cumbie)
Govan - Various Gangs
Young Toryglen Toi
Castlemilk [Various Gangs]
Young Young Winey
Ibrox Tongs
KP Derry
List Goes On.....

A Recent Newspaper Article Says That There Was 110 Gangs In Glasgow And Listed Them All And As i Am From One Of The Above I Know Theres Alot More, They Missed A Good Few Gangs Out The List

All in all theres about 110 gangs in the city those are the ones i could think right now

[Silencioso]

Jinky, have you seen that movie Small Faces? I know it takes place in the 60's, but would you say it's accurate?