Main difference between US and Europe

[Sentenza]

Isn't the European head-chapter of HA in Denmark? Or is it really in Netherlands now?

Yep. Believe it or not, i met the brother of the head of the Hells Angels in Europe and had plenty of drinks with him. He told me the same, he was Dutch.
Crazy dude with gunshot wounds, who calls about everybody "Fag".

[attila]

I don't know if there is such a thing as a real head-chapter of Europe that calls the shots, but The Amsterdam chapter plays a key role in the international drugtrade because of it's central position and the liberal druglaws in Holland.

[iboy]

there aint a head chapter, there is always a head chapter in the countries but not a europe.

[punamusta]

Isn't the European head-chapter of HA in Denmark? Or is it really in Netherlands now?

Yep. Believe it or not, i met the brother of the head of the Hells Angels in Europe and had plenty of drinks with him. He told me the same, he was Dutch.
Crazy dude with gunshot wounds, who calls about everybody "Fag".

Hahaha, sounds like a nice guy!

I don't know if there is such a thing as a real head-chapter of Europe that calls the shots, but The Amsterdam chapter plays a key role in the international drugtrade because of it's central position and the liberal druglaws in Holland.

No, there's not a head-chapter that would be calling the shots, but rather approve new European chapters from the countries that don't have any other chapters yet. Or atleast that's how I've understood it to be.... But I might be wrong, too. Haven't been hanging with the bikers for a while now. All I have is my shady memory

And no doubt Amsterdam is a very important city. Always been, always will.

there aint a head chapter, there is always a head chapter in the countries but not a europe.

Yea, head-chapters of the countries is definetly true. But you might also be right on the other thing, too... I don't know why I keep thinking of Denmark... Maybe some Finnish club got their patches from there and that's why I'm thinking of it...

[Sentenza]

there aint a head chapter, there is always a head chapter in the countries but not a europe.

There isnt a head chapter but what he told me was, if i remember correctly, that the chapter in Amsterdam kind of the represantative of Hells Angels in Europe when it comes to dealings with the american or other Hells Angels.
That is also because its considered Europes strongest chapter.

[HungryWolf]

Yeah, it's also one of the oldest chapters in Europe. They carry a lot of weight. In the beginning, Amsterdam was the European chapter everybody had to go to if they wanted to start a new chapter (that's how I remember it).

[iboy]

But denmarks hells angels members is the most active and violent, no BS is was also them that helped the turks.

[cliffard]

These European gangs that are using crip or blood names are pre-existing gangs, who have adopted names and customs of L.A gangs. They are in no way shape or form affiliated to real crips or bloods. In the U.K, street gang culture in terms of gangs with real history are exclusive to Scotland where some gangs date back to the 1800s and have their own established identity. As for other countries in Europe, only the people living in those countries know what's goin on there. No-one in the UK really has an interest in what goes on in Germany ,France,Russia etc. The US is different because American culture and it's influences are everywhere including gang culture.

a lot of that is true, but to say home grown street gangs with history are exclusive (in the uk) to scotland is wide of the mark...aggis in bristol, gooch/cheetham hill etc in manchester, tottenham man dem/peckham boys/brick lane massive (to name 3 from 300) london, bars and johnsons in birmingham etc etc etc...

crip/blood is only a thing in london, and that is only among the youngers that have been indoctrinated by mtv and gangster rap, poor bastards...ive even seen london 'pirus', i bet if you asked them where piru street was theyd be clueless...sad really, of all the positivity that came from african american music and culture, thats the line that the multinational entertainment companies decided to push the hardest, so kids all over the world see rap and gangbanging in the same way they see wwe wrestling...

as a ps we DO have biker gangs in the uk, but i dont think theyre anywhere near as influential as certain countries in europe, especially in scandinavia where the angels and outlaws are known to let off anti tank rockets at each others clubhouses...

[dinky]

History as in being in existence for over a hundred years.That's what i mean by real history, not gangs that have only been around the last 20 years.

[cliffard]

History as in being in existence for over a hundred years.That's what i mean by real history, not gangs that have only been around the last 20 years.

talking on the bars and johnnies, inch highs in birmingham, that dates back to the riot times, late 70s early 80s, which is 30-35 years, no doubt a lot of the london crews have been about the same time as well, ok its not 100 years but 30+ years isnt an overnight thing...
when you say 100+ years, surely that cant be a lot of the glasgow gangs, i remember asking jinky about his crew and im sure he said they went back to the 50s, a long time no doubt, specially under the same name...

[oldskoolkilla]

The biggest gang in glasgow is strathclyde police FACT bunch of bully victims who get power mad thinking there superman with that black uniform and there stab proof vests lmbo it will nae stop 2 hollow tips tae the chest n one tae the heid!!!. anti screw crew 110% god made wankers big n small strathclyde plois employ them all!!!!!!!!

[HungryWolf]

Little kids in Spain claiming Latin Kings are like the guys in New York City claiming Grape Street Crips, ridiculous.

Thats the truth. Theres even latin kings in italy ! Since im from the area ill deliver, well it started like this, theres latin kings in chicago and new york, even tho the new york ones are more of a joke, well certain ecuatorian who migrates to an area of new york where there are latin kings. Then some time later, he joins the latin kings. Then he is deported by the us government to his home country. When back in his home country he decides to start a latin king chapter even tho he is 2871 miles away. So several of the guys with him acted, dress like latin kings in there area. So one of them decides to migrate to spain looking for a job. In spain he decides to start a chapter of latin kings. Some guys where he lives joins this latin king chapter. So in the end, what do these guys have of latin kings ? Well they use the same symbols, dress the same, throw the same handsigns, but thats the only thing they have of latin kings. They are fake, and there common activities are muggin lil kids for sports courts. When they have #%@& with the wrong person, they have been put in place, or the either run the 100 metres.
I think america is the most tolerant place with gangs, where a bunch of guys can be reppin and not arrested on the spot, even tho they are puttin injuctions, the guys not on the injuction list are not arrested. Here in europe, at least most of western europe countries, if a bunch of guys are reppin, they all get arrested because they may have committed a crime, they dont wait to look for the one who fits the suspect description, they all get arrested becuz someone of the group may have committed a crime, and the rest of the group are dubbed as criminals, so the group is illegal, thats why they all get to jail, and spent 1 or 2 years till the judge decides. So in europe it aint a smart move reppin a group where some are commiting crimes, becuz u know what happen, that why the criminal gangs just try not to get attention, and the organized crime in italy are all in hiding, so they even cant go out free like that.
At least here there is no rico law, theres the belonging to a criminal gang, they dont wait to proove if you act like a mafia, it just has to be a group commiting crimes, and they automatically charge you with that, gettin a minimum 10 year sentence, and most of them charged with these werent organized crime, so reppin a group that has done crimes here, is just a short way.

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[attila]

Here in europe, at least most of western europe countries, if a bunch of guys are reppin, they all get arrested because they may have committed a crime, they dont wait to look for the one who fits the suspect description, they all get arrested becuz someone of the group may have committed a crime, and the rest of the group are dubbed as criminals, so the group is illegal, thats why they all get to jail, and spent 1 or 2 years till the judge decides. So in europe it aint a smart move reppin a group where some are commiting crimes, becuz u know what happen, that why the criminal gangs just try not to get attention, and the organized crime in italy are all in hiding, so they even cant go out free like that.
At least here there is no rico law, theres the belonging to a criminal gang, they dont wait to proove if you act like a mafia, it just has to be a group commiting crimes, and they automatically charge you with that, gettin a minimum 10 year sentence, and most of them charged with these werent organized crime, so reppin a group that has done crimes here, is just a short way.

Well, as far as the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany ans most other Western-European countries go, that's complete bullsht.
Here in Holland almost every other week we can read in the newspaper how somebody gets severely beaten up or killed by a group of youth, and noone gets punished because they can't proof who of the group did the actual stabbing, shooting or kicking.
When you're in a group they can't touch you here and that's also the reason criminal groups like the Hells Angels are not forbidden by law and they can fly their colors, intimidate everybody and do as they please.

[karim]

As you had almost all say, the kids are on a hype thing. It's due to gangsta rap mainly... As a grown man, I can't blame them for having fun for a summer... I won't go as far as saying they're ridiculous (even if they truly are). They are only young guys who are going to be slapped by their mothers when coming to pick them in the police station. And remenber that in France you're not putting your live at risk walking down the street wearing red or blue clothes like in L.A. for exemple. So let's them have fun, learn, and finally understand that they are wrong and ridiculous. I'm sure they will know it one day; so let them learn, we all have been young and stupid...
There's no (true) Crips or Bloods gangs in France, never have, never will (I hope).
I remember asking to an "OG" (older than me) from my former hood if he was aware of those Crips and Bloods gangs. He was like : "Why are they doing that for ? Just to rep their hood ? What for ? Is that bring them money ? It's f...ing stupid ! Look at me, I love Mickael Jackson's music, do I look like him ?" I think he never understood the US street gang culture. But he was right in some way...
In France the main goal is to find an exit from the hood by any means necessary, not fighting for a street or a block that don't even belongs to you.
Amongst the youngers, you even see some that rep a hood they don't even from just to be feared, and because the "cité" (project, estate) is known for being hard... So it can be funny as hell sometimes !
I wouldn't be so categoric about London as I saw that US-type gang culture many time there. In fact I'm in contact with a south londoner inmate in order to write a book on the colourful charaters of London street gangsters. And believe me, those guy aren't joking...
PS: I know Bg Casper/ OGK/ OG Kim...ect... personally, as I bought his rap album, and even met him. He was a true skinhead hunter in Paris, and a very good Thai boxer too ! He's well respected in his hood (Paris 13). He's also a living proof that even the olders can be caught by the hype ! But to be really honest, I thank God he didn't manage to bring that shit here in Paris, he almost succeeded believe me or not ! At least with the youngest and even with some not so young and obviously silly... Sadly, desperate guys hanging and smoking weed all day can easily be lured in this kind of stuff sometimes just to dream a few... Anyway, I'd like to know if some of you have news from him, he's cool. A bit too much I know, but he's cool... I know he lives in Thailland for years now...