la cosa nostra and the brotherhood?

American organized crime groups included traditional groups such as La Cosa Nostra & the Italian Mafia to modern groups such as Black Mafia Family. Discuss the most organized criminal groups in the United States including gangs in Canada.
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la cosa nostra and the brotherhood?

Unread post by Invincible » November 23rd, 2006, 12:06 am

I read an article somwhere the I cant find now that said that when lcn members were locked up ab took over their protection and basically they were in debt to the brotherhood for life. In return one of the things they did was to teach the brand about organized crime tactics, and sopposevly anyone knows if this is true but some ab members or paroled ab members would become a hit squad for lcs doing murders for the organization. ANyone heard of this? I mean there are multiple lcn familes so wouldnt they end up going against each other or would it be more of a paid service thing with no loyalties?

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Unread post by dutch » November 23rd, 2006, 9:55 am

["Invincible"] I mean there are multiple lcn familes so wouldnt they end up going against each other or would it be more of a paid service thing with no loyalties?
What do you mean with:end up against each other.Who is gonna end up against each other?

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Unread post by Invincible » November 23rd, 2006, 3:25 pm

dutch wrote:
["Invincible"] I mean there are multiple lcn familes so wouldnt they end up going against each other or would it be more of a paid service thing with no loyalties?
What do you mean with:end up against each other.Who is gonna end up against each other?
I mean if they become the hit squad of them they would work for different familes that often have beef against one another?

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Unread post by dutch » November 24th, 2006, 9:59 am

Who said they often beef with eachother?And when they beef with eachother they ussually first have a sitdown with eachother,before turning to violence.So if you gonna be wacked it is approved by your own family.

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Unread post by MMRbkaRudog » November 25th, 2006, 9:50 am

I don't know about all that, but maybe if protection is needed they'll pay for it.

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Unread post by dutch » November 25th, 2006, 10:12 am

You do know about The Commission right??And they don't need no Aryan Brotherhood to protect them.They can get soldiers from Sicily or Napels or even from Canada.Like the Bonanno's did.They would only use the Brotherhood as a outside contracter.So that the murder won't lead to them,when there is a police investagation.

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Unread post by Boston_sean » April 3rd, 2007, 6:03 pm

dutch wrote:You do know about The Commission right??And they don't need no Aryan Brotherhood to protect them.They can get soldiers from Sicily or Napels or even from Canada.Like the Bonanno's did.They would only use the Brotherhood as a outside contracter.So that the murder won't lead to them,when there is a police investagation.
seriously come on now the commission approves everything from the hit of a made man to how much each damn boss gets and shit liek that

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Unread post by sacracoronaunita » April 12th, 2007, 11:47 am

Boston_sean wrote:
dutch wrote:You do know about The Commission right??And they don't need no Aryan Brotherhood to protect them.They can get soldiers from Sicily or Napels or even from Canada.Like the Bonanno's did.They would only use the Brotherhood as a outside contracter.So that the murder won't lead to them,when there is a police investagation.
seriously come on now the commission approves everything from the hit of a made man to how much each damn boss gets and shit liek that
Commission only approves hits on a Boss not on made guys, a single boss can approve his guy to be clipped.

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Unread post by Azure9920 » March 24th, 2008, 8:43 am

I think you mean the AB puttin a contract on that guy who knoccked around Gotti in prison...

Don't think it goes much farther than that.

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Unread post by icegoodbarbPresident » March 24th, 2008, 11:17 am

First of all the commission hasn't met in years since the mafia commission trial. The five families aren't the only ones on the commission theres detroit and chicago. The only people that are really on the comission are the five families. Alot of the mafia's drug traffickers are black so i don't think they want racists do there work. Alos the AB is really only powerful in prison on the outside their only a medium force

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Unread post by doobeez » March 24th, 2008, 3:35 pm

icegoodbarbPresident wrote:First of all the commission hasn't met in years since the mafia commission trial. The five families aren't the only ones on the commission theres detroit and chicago. The only people that are really on the comission are the five families. Alot of the mafia's drug traffickers are black so i don't think they want racists do there work. Alos the AB is really only powerful in prison on the outside their only a medium force




Actually the last Commission meeting took place in the late 80's/early 90's when Joe Bonanno who was in exile in Arizona tried to make a move in Las Vegas against the Chicago outfit's control of the gambling out there. The Commision, with John Gotti in control, sided with Chicago instead of Bonanno, a former 5 Family Boss.

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Unread post by thewestside » March 24th, 2008, 5:48 pm

doobeez wrote:Actually the last Commission meeting took place in the late 80's/early 90's when Joe Bonanno who was in exile in Arizona tried to make a move in Las Vegas against the Chicago outfit's control of the gambling out there. The Commision, with John Gotti in control, sided with Chicago instead of Bonanno, a former 5 Family Boss.
Wrong.

You got that from "War of the Godfathers" by William Roemer. In case you didn't know, while Roemer used his general knowledge of organized crime, including many specific names, the book itself was largely a work of fiction. Roemer says that himself in the introduction to the book. Joe Bonanno was basically out of the picture after he retired to Arizona in the mid-1960's. The Bonanno family never tried to move in on Las Vegas and there was never a meeting between Bonanno, Accardo, and Gotti. Pure fiction.

The last Commission meeting was in 2000. Bonanno family boss Joe Massino chaired the meeting, along with underboss Sal Vitale. Representing the Gambino family was captain Peter Gotti. Representing the Genovese family was captain Frank Giovanelli. Representing the Colombo family was consigliere Joel Cacace. And representing the Lucchese family was consigliere Louis Daidone. Among other things, those there changed the membership requirements back to 100% Italian blood for prospective members. Also discussed was breaking up the Colombo family, with it's members going to different families. But that was rejected because it wasn't realisitic and it was thought it would be disrespectful to Colombo boss Carmine Persico.

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Unread post by thewestside » March 24th, 2008, 5:51 pm

Invincible wrote:I read an article somwhere the I cant find now that said that when lcn members were locked up ab took over their protection and basically they were in debt to the brotherhood for life. In return one of the things they did was to teach the brand about organized crime tactics, and sopposevly anyone knows if this is true but some ab members or paroled ab members would become a hit squad for lcs doing murders for the organization. ANyone heard of this? I mean there are multiple lcn familes so wouldnt they end up going against each other or would it be more of a paid service thing with no loyalties?
LCN members have, at times, used Aryan Brotherhood members for protection in prison. Beyond that however, there have never been any substantial dealings between the two groups outside of prison. What you read is largely false.

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Unread post by doobeez » March 24th, 2008, 9:15 pm

thewestside wrote:
doobeez wrote:Actually the last Commission meeting took place in the late 80's/early 90's when Joe Bonanno who was in exile in Arizona tried to make a move in Las Vegas against the Chicago outfit's control of the gambling out there. The Commision, with John Gotti in control, sided with Chicago instead of Bonanno, a former 5 Family Boss.
Wrong.

You got that from "War of the Godfathers" by William Roemer. In case you didn't know, while Roemer used his general knowledge of organized crime, including many specific names, the book itself was largely a work of fiction. Roemer says that himself in the introduction to the book. Joe Bonanno was basically out of the picture after he retired to Arizona in the mid-1960's. The Bonanno family never tried to move in on Las Vegas and there was never a meeting between Bonanno, Accardo, and Gotti. Pure fiction.

The last Commission meeting was in 2000. Bonanno family boss Joe Massino chaired the meeting, along with underboss Sal Vitale. Representing the Gambino family was captain Peter Gotti. Representing the Genovese family was captain Frank Giovanelli. Representing the Colombo family was consigliere Joel Cacace. And representing the Lucchese family was consigliere Louis Daidone. Among other things, those there changed the membership requirements back to 100% Italian blood for prospective members. Also discussed was breaking up the Colombo family, with it's members going to different families. But that was rejected because it wasn't realisitic and it was thought it would be disrespectful to Colombo boss Carmine Persico.





Thats exactley where I got that info, and that goes to show you how far behind I am as to what's going on in LCN!! Was the break-up of the Columbo's do to not being able to figure out who was gonna get to sit in the "Big Chair"?

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Unread post by thewestside » March 24th, 2008, 10:39 pm

doobeez wrote:Thats exactley where I got that info, and that goes to show you how far behind I am as to what's going on in LCN!! Was the break-up of the Columbo's do to not being able to figure out who was gonna get to sit in the "Big Chair"?
Just for the record, there have been many readers of "War of the Godfathers" who found out it was fiction only after they read it. William Roemer was known for his extensive knowledge of the mob - the Chicago mob. His knowledge of the rest of La Cosa Nostra was pretty basic. But even though he admitted it was a work of fiction, the whole premise of the book - that Joe Bonanno would try to make a move on Las Vegas - is quite a stretch. As I said, he had pretty much been out of the picture since the Commission forced him into retirement in the 1960's. By the 1980's, which is when the events in the book take place, he had no influence whatsoever over the family that bore his name. In fact, by that time, the Chicago mob was pretty much out of Las Vegas itself. At least as far as running the casinos. Nowadays, Las Vegas is more or less an open city where any family can operate. There is still a mob presence there but it mostly hovers on the fringes of things.

Well, as I'm sure you know, the Colombo family suffered an internal war from 1991-1993 between the faction that was loyal to the Persicos and the faction that had fallen behind acting boss Vic Orena. Orena and his supporters were tired of operating under the control of Carmine Persico, who was never getting out of prison. They felt that Carmine should step down and Vic be made official boss. Eventually a dozen or so people would be killed, including some innocent victims caught in the cross-fire. The whole discussion surrounding the Colombo family at the 2000 Commission meeting was due to it's weakened state. The whole concept of breaking up the Colombos and splitting it's members up between the remaining families was just unrealistic from the start. Although it was the smallest and weakest family in New York at that point, it was still a viable, self-standing, multi-million dollar criminal organization with approximately 100 members and 300-500 associates. It would simply be too complicated to divide it's members and business interests. Also, the other families would be wary about taking them in, because they wouldn't want the responsibility over guys they really didn't know. And, like I said, those at the Commission meeting felt that it would be a sign of disrespect to Carmine Persico, as they would be essentially de-throning him by taking such action.

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