There may be some mobbed up companies involved in the rebuilding but that's about it. To see a major Mafia presence you have to go east to Florida.nolawiseguy wrote:Actually you're both wrong. The old structure of the Marcello family is gone, but not the Mafia. Katrina revived organized crime in New Orleans - why else do you think that billions in federal money has poured into the area but no progress has been made? You think Ray Nagin stole it all?
And as for oiatl, she has absolutely no idea what she's talking about. The blacks and Mexicans in New Orleans commit random acts of violence and drug trafficking, but they have nothing remotely resembling symbiotic organization or basic sophistication. And as for Kenner, thanks for proving that you've never been there. Check out the last 2 mayors, and who the in-laws of the current mayor are.
Your first mistake was calling people out without offering any kind of factual backup to your own assertions. If you think the mafia is gone from New Orleans, then the new system is working perfectly.
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Yes, but like I have always said, the new regime is young but very old school and under the radar. As long as the FBI is focused on minority gangs and corrupt politicians, these young turks will continue to quietly build their empire. From what I have heard, there is little to no collaboration with any other "families" anywhere else so that is why your typical sources show no LCN activity in the New Orleans area. As far as the feds are concerned, the 1994 video poker bust that included several NYC Gambino family members was the nail in the coffin.
Let's see if you have the same opinion in 10 years. Don't take it the wrong way, though, your sources are great and your posts are always the most interesting to read. I just have the benefit of being down here every day with my ear to the ground. Please keep this thread going as I like to hear what yours and everybody else's sources are saying about NOLA - particularly about the activity of all types of gangs post-Katrina.
Let's see if you have the same opinion in 10 years. Don't take it the wrong way, though, your sources are great and your posts are always the most interesting to read. I just have the benefit of being down here every day with my ear to the ground. Please keep this thread going as I like to hear what yours and everybody else's sources are saying about NOLA - particularly about the activity of all types of gangs post-Katrina.
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Since you mentioned sources, do you have any of your own to support what you're saying? The new regime of what exactly? It seems you are referring to local mafiosi in New Orleans. By all accounts, the Marcello organization was on it's last legs 15 years ago. There is nothing left locally to build on, let alone build a new regime. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if some mobbed up companies from one family or another have gotten involved in the rebuilding but that's about it.nolawiseguy wrote:Yes, but like I have always said, the new regime is young but very old school and under the radar. As long as the FBI is focused on minority gangs and corrupt politicians, these young turks will continue to quietly build their empire. From what I have heard, there is little to no collaboration with any other "families" anywhere else so that is why your typical sources show no LCN activity in the New Orleans area. As far as the feds are concerned, the 1994 video poker bust that included several NYC Gambino family members was the nail in the coffin.
Let's see if you have the same opinion in 10 years. Don't take it the wrong way, though, your sources are great and your posts are always the most interesting to read. I just have the benefit of being down here every day with my ear to the ground. Please keep this thread going as I like to hear what yours and everybody else's sources are saying about NOLA - particularly about the activity of all types of gangs post-Katrina.
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It seems that you want to hang your hat on the actual marcello organization. in that, you are correct - the few remnants left are in diapers now for the most part. But you seem to be absolutely sure that there is absolutely no italian mob activity anywhere in new orleans simply because the marcello group faded away. Either you are incredibly naive or you have an agenda. Either way, there is no way for either of us to prove we are correct without revealing sources, which I of course will not do.
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I don't think I'm naive. And I don't have an agenda. I simply require a little more proof than personal anecdotes.nolawiseguy wrote:It seems that you want to hang your hat on the actual marcello organization. in that, you are correct - the few remnants left are in diapers now for the most part. But you seem to be absolutely sure that there is absolutely no italian mob activity anywhere in new orleans simply because the marcello group faded away. Either you are incredibly naive or you have an agenda. Either way, there is no way for either of us to prove we are correct without revealing sources, which I of course will not do.
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So do I, and my point was that you have offered nothing more than that yourself. If you have personal reasons why you won't that's fine - that's my excuse too. But a blanket arbitrary statement that there is no LCN activity in New Orleans just because you say so - well, forgive me for not buying into it especially when I know differently. I live here, where do you live?
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I have a little more than my opinion. I have the fact that there has been no record of any mob activity in New Orleans for years. I guess you could say there being no evidence is my evidence. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if there were some mobbed up companies who got involved in the rebuilding but you seem to be saying there's more than that. I get into these same discussion with people who say "well, I live here so I know." Yet, when pressed, they can never really give any specifics.nolawiseguy wrote:So do I, and my point was that you have offered nothing more than that yourself. If you have personal reasons why you won't that's fine - that's my excuse too. But a blanket arbitrary statement that there is no LCN activity in New Orleans just because you say so - well, forgive me for not buying into it especially when I know differently. I live here, where do you live?
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Stop telling your self this BS. When is the last time you've heard about an Italian doing anything in New Orleans??? When you hear what happen in Kenner, most of the time it's either a Latino or a black guy. And you still need to explain how Italian are gonna start running the streets? There's not even that big a Italian population anymore.
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I have to agree. I run into these types a lot. There is no demonstrable evidence of their claims so they ineveitably resort to saying that they have some inside knowledge because they happen to live in the area. Then they get pissed at me when I remain skeptical.oiatl wrote:Stop telling your self this BS. When is the last time you've heard about an Italian doing anything in New Orleans??? When you hear what happen in Kenner, most of the time it's either a Latino or a black guy. And you still need to explain how Italian are gonna start running the streets? There's not even that big a Italian population anymore.
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Hey westside haven't heard from you in a while. Whats the latest? The feds are just still arresting politicians every freakin day down here!
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October 2009nolawiseguy wrote:Hey westside haven't heard from you in a while. Whats the latest? The feds are just still arresting politicians every freakin day down here!
30 people tied to the Gambino and Genovese families were indicted in Queens on charges of enterprise corruption, money laundering, and running a sports bookmaking operation that handled over $20 million in bets a month and over $567 million over a 28 month period; and stretched from New York City to Rochester, Nevada, and Florida and utilized offshore wirerooms in Panama.
15 Bonanno members and associates, including Captains Joseph "Sammy" Sammartino and Anthony "Scal" Sclafani, and Acting Captains Joseph "Joe Lefty" Loiacono and Anthony "Little Anthony" Pipitone were indicted in Brooklyn on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, running a sports bookmaking operation, operating video poker machines, marijuana trafficking, loansharking, extortion, bank fraud through forged checks, obstruction of justice, weapons possession, assault, and perjury.
September 2009
29 Lucchese members and associates, including Acting Bosses Joseph DiNapoli and Matthew "Matty" Madonna and Acting Captain Anthony Croce, as well as officials in the New York Department of Buildings and four companies in the construction and real estate industry, were indicted in Manhattan on charges of enterprise corruption, running sports bookmaking operations that had handled $400 million in bets over a two year period and utilized wire rooms in Costa Rica, loansharking, extortion, bribery and bribe receiving of officials to overlook construction violation codes and issue building permits in 19 seperate projects in Manhattan and the Bronx totaling $120,000, firearms trafficking, trafficking in painkiller narcotics, and filing false documents with public offices.
19 Lucchese members and associates, including Captain Andrew DeSimone, were indicted in Manhattan on charges of running sports bookmaking and high stake card game operations in clubs in Westchester and New York City, loansharking, and bribing police officers for protection.
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that sportsbook was unbelievable. I cant believe they made that much scratch!
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Law enforcement, as well as the media, usually cite gross figures in gambling cases. In other words, how much money an operation handles in wagers over a certain time. In the recent bust involving $567 million, that was how much money was bet with the operation over the 28 month investigation. Actual profit in sports betting is usually around 10%. So during that time the operation probably netted $50-60 million.nolawiseguy wrote:that sportsbook was unbelievable. I cant believe they made that much scratch!
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still that's a pissload of money to net in just over 2 yrs. it doesn't sound like their operation had that many mouths to feed either - although im sure they were kicking a lot upstairs.
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Considering how big the operation was, I'm assuming there were more involved than just the 30 guys that got picked up.nolawiseguy wrote:still that's a pissload of money to net in just over 2 yrs. it doesn't sound like their operation had that many mouths to feed either - although im sure they were kicking a lot upstairs.
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i agree, but still...thats a lot of scratch!
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i bet nolawiseguy has his own book or some shy, thats how he knows so much--not that i have anything against it (i had a misdemeanor promoting gambling charge myself back in 02). Therefore, i must agree with him, the marcellos may be gone but that doesnt mean there arent any new families. Nolawiseguy,like myself takes his knowledge from firsthand experiences, while westside has nothing more than some internet website to base his statements off.
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It's easy to make claims on the internet where nobody can verify what you say one way or the other. Bottom line, there hasn't been any significant mob activity in New Orleans in nearly 20 years. That should tell you something.gornto wrote:i bet nolawiseguy has his own book or some shy, thats how he knows so much--not that i have anything against it (i had a misdemeanor promoting gambling charge myself back in 02). Therefore, i must agree with him, the marcellos may be gone but that doesnt mean there arent any new families. Nolawiseguy,like myself takes his knowledge from firsthand experiences, while westside has nothing more than some internet website to base his statements off.
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Oh I agree with you, but saying that there isnt any italian organized crime there at all...probably impossibleIt's easy to make claims on the internet where nobody can verify what you say one way or the other. Bottom line, there hasn't been any significant mob activity in New Orleans in nearly 20 years. That should tell you something.
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New Orleans Has a New Boss
Michael Tufaro seems to have taken control of the New Orleans Mafia along with his brother Joseph "Joey" Tufaro. The Tufaro brothers have a five decade family history in the New Orleans Mob. They also have family ties to the New York Colombo Family that go back to the 80's. Here are a few links and some other infomation that supports this line of thinking.
The New Orleans crime family has or had an impact throughout all Louisiana and several other southern states like Missouri, Texas and Mississippi. It has an estimated 10 "made" members left and many more associates. Some people say it is almost dead; others claim that it is one of the most powerful Mafia crime families in the United States today. It has been said that they are still active but these reports are unsubstantiated.Since Hurricane Katrina two brothers Joseph and Michael Tufaro have emereged as a new force in New Orleans. Michael Tufaro[1] has a long history of run ins with the law and was acussed of being part of an attempt to "fix" a federal trial[2] as far back as 1988. He was released from prison in 2003 for a kidnaping sceme[3] where Tufaro would kidnap local drug dealers and hold them for ransom.They also have family ties to New York[4] and the Colombo Family. The Tufaro brothers own[5] and control a large residential sub-divison that has resulted in a RICO[6] case being brought against them it seems as though their futre is still in question.We will be waiting and watching to see if this is the return of the "old school" New Orleans mafia.
http://neworleansmafia.blogspot.com/
http://moagnyc.org/home/13-italian-gang ... ime-family
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbth ... ber=614116
^ OPCSO.orgmichaeltufarocase#286666
http://www.stbclerk.commichaeltufarocase#131364
^ 04/10/1988,04/23/1988michaeltufarogooglenewsarcives.com
^ OPCSO.orgdocketmastermichaeltufarocase#415860#415877
^ http://www.nytimes.com/.../the-ciy-drug ... -term.html
^ www2.stpgov.org/agenda/04aug/Appeal6.pdf
^ http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009 ... s_mis.html
Tufaro, Michael
* capo / street boss
* grandson of Joseph Tufaro
* brother of Joseph Tufaro
* nephew of Anthony DiPiazza
* cousin of Dominic Tufaro member of the Colombo Family
* released from prison for kidnapping in 2003
* reported to still be alive
Tufaro, Joseph "Joe The Nose"
* soldier
* uncle of Dominic Tufaro, member of the Colombo Family
* born September 9, 1912 in New York, New York
* grandfather of Joseph and Michael Tufaro
* passed away on January 15, 2003
Tufaro, Joseph "Joey"
* soldier
* grandson of Joseph Tufaro
* cousin of Dominic Tufaro member of the Colombo Family
* brother of Michael Tufaro
* made in 1999
* involved in loansharking
* reported to still be alive
DiPiazza, Anthony
* soldier
* son of Salvatore DiPiazza
* uncle of Joseph and Michael Tufaro
* made in 1984
* involved in illegal gambling
* born around 1952 in New Orleans
Gagliano, Joseph
* soldier
* son of Frank
* made in 1990
* born around 1958 in New Orleans, LA
* reported to be still alive
Marcello, Salvatore
* capo
* brother of Anthony, Joseph, Carlos and Pascal
* born around 1929 in New Orleans, LA
* reported to be still alive
Pecoraro, Onofio Jr. "Nofio Pecora Jr."
* soldier
* son of Nofio
* made in 1986
* went to prison for mail fraud in 2004
* born around 1950 in New Orleans, LA
* reported to be still alive
Riggio, Felix
* soldier
* made in 1993
* involved in illegal gambling
* reported to be still alive
Tusa, Victor
* soldier
* made 1993
* involved in illegal gambling
* reported to still be alive
Tusa, Anthony
* soldier
* made 1993
* involved in illegal gambling
* reported to still be alive
Michael Tufaro seems to have taken control of the New Orleans Mafia along with his brother Joseph "Joey" Tufaro. The Tufaro brothers have a five decade family history in the New Orleans Mob. They also have family ties to the New York Colombo Family that go back to the 80's. Here are a few links and some other infomation that supports this line of thinking.
The New Orleans crime family has or had an impact throughout all Louisiana and several other southern states like Missouri, Texas and Mississippi. It has an estimated 10 "made" members left and many more associates. Some people say it is almost dead; others claim that it is one of the most powerful Mafia crime families in the United States today. It has been said that they are still active but these reports are unsubstantiated.Since Hurricane Katrina two brothers Joseph and Michael Tufaro have emereged as a new force in New Orleans. Michael Tufaro[1] has a long history of run ins with the law and was acussed of being part of an attempt to "fix" a federal trial[2] as far back as 1988. He was released from prison in 2003 for a kidnaping sceme[3] where Tufaro would kidnap local drug dealers and hold them for ransom.They also have family ties to New York[4] and the Colombo Family. The Tufaro brothers own[5] and control a large residential sub-divison that has resulted in a RICO[6] case being brought against them it seems as though their futre is still in question.We will be waiting and watching to see if this is the return of the "old school" New Orleans mafia.
http://neworleansmafia.blogspot.com/
http://moagnyc.org/home/13-italian-gang ... ime-family
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbth ... ber=614116
^ OPCSO.orgmichaeltufarocase#286666
http://www.stbclerk.commichaeltufarocase#131364
^ 04/10/1988,04/23/1988michaeltufarogooglenewsarcives.com
^ OPCSO.orgdocketmastermichaeltufarocase#415860#415877
^ http://www.nytimes.com/.../the-ciy-drug ... -term.html
^ www2.stpgov.org/agenda/04aug/Appeal6.pdf
^ http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009 ... s_mis.html
Tufaro, Michael
* capo / street boss
* grandson of Joseph Tufaro
* brother of Joseph Tufaro
* nephew of Anthony DiPiazza
* cousin of Dominic Tufaro member of the Colombo Family
* released from prison for kidnapping in 2003
* reported to still be alive
Tufaro, Joseph "Joe The Nose"
* soldier
* uncle of Dominic Tufaro, member of the Colombo Family
* born September 9, 1912 in New York, New York
* grandfather of Joseph and Michael Tufaro
* passed away on January 15, 2003
Tufaro, Joseph "Joey"
* soldier
* grandson of Joseph Tufaro
* cousin of Dominic Tufaro member of the Colombo Family
* brother of Michael Tufaro
* made in 1999
* involved in loansharking
* reported to still be alive
DiPiazza, Anthony
* soldier
* son of Salvatore DiPiazza
* uncle of Joseph and Michael Tufaro
* made in 1984
* involved in illegal gambling
* born around 1952 in New Orleans
Gagliano, Joseph
* soldier
* son of Frank
* made in 1990
* born around 1958 in New Orleans, LA
* reported to be still alive
Marcello, Salvatore
* capo
* brother of Anthony, Joseph, Carlos and Pascal
* born around 1929 in New Orleans, LA
* reported to be still alive
Pecoraro, Onofio Jr. "Nofio Pecora Jr."
* soldier
* son of Nofio
* made in 1986
* went to prison for mail fraud in 2004
* born around 1950 in New Orleans, LA
* reported to be still alive
Riggio, Felix
* soldier
* made in 1993
* involved in illegal gambling
* reported to be still alive
Tusa, Victor
* soldier
* made 1993
* involved in illegal gambling
* reported to still be alive
Tusa, Anthony
* soldier
* made 1993
* involved in illegal gambling
* reported to still be alive
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thewestside wrote:It's easy to make claims on the internet where nobody can verify what you say one way or the other. Bottom line, there hasn't been any significant mob activity in New Orleans in nearly 20 years. That should tell you something.gornto wrote:i bet nolawiseguy has his own book or some shy, thats how he knows so much--not that i have anything against it (i had a misdemeanor promoting gambling charge myself back in 02). Therefore, i must agree with him, the marcellos may be gone but that doesnt mean there arent any new families. Nolawiseguy,like myself takes his knowledge from firsthand experiences, while westside has nothing more than some internet website to base his statements off.
This is the membership page of a post Hurricane Katrina report done by the New Orleans MCC Crimnal Intelligence Division.
New Orleans Organized Crime Family Structure and Membership
2010
Boss
Joseph Gagliano
Son Of Former Family Underboss
Control Of Family Seems In Question
Many Of The Most Important Members
View Gagliano As Just A Figure Head
And Not In Touch With Whats Goes On
With The Rank And File Membership
Caporegime
Michael Tufaro
Grandson Of Former Family Soldier
Has Strong Ties To The Colombo
Crime Family In New York And Florida
Tufaro Has A Reputation For Violence
And Is Feared As Well As Respected
With The Rank And File Membership
Tufaro Appears To Control All Street
Level Membership And Holds Weekly
Meetings With Ranking Membership
Membership
Charles Farese III
Frank Gagliano Jr.
Anthony Di Piazza
Nofio Pecora Jr.
Felix Riggio
Joseph Tufaro
Victor Tusa
Anthony Tusa
Barry La Bruzzo
Herbert Barcotto
Gregory Lola
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gornto wrote:Oh I agree with you, but saying that there isnt any italian organized crime there at all...probably impossibleIt's easy to make claims on the internet where nobody can verify what you say one way or the other. Bottom line, there hasn't been any significant mob activity in New Orleans in nearly 20 years. That should tell you something.
Here are some good links on the New Orleans Crime Family.
This first site has some FBI reports
http://neworleansmafia.blogspot.com/
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009 ... s_mis.html
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 292,360689
Check out the names in this court case its a who's who's of the top LCN members of several NY LCN Family's.
http://ny.findacase.com/research/wfrmDo ... SNY.htm/qx
I have obtained through the FOIA alot of documents on the New Orleans Crime Family. All it takes is a little time and effort and of course you have to spend a few bucks. You should try it. BTW I would also like to point out that none of the people mentioned have denied the posts. Because everything I ever post is true and can be backed up with government documents.
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thewestside wrote:It's easy to make claims on the internet where nobody can verify what you say one way or the other. Bottom line, there hasn't been any significant mob activity in New Orleans in nearly 20 years. That should tell you something.gornto wrote:i bet nolawiseguy has his own book or some shy, thats how he knows so much--not that i have anything against it (i had a misdemeanor promoting gambling charge myself back in 02). Therefore, i must agree with him, the marcellos may be gone but that doesnt mean there arent any new families. Nolawiseguy,like myself takes his knowledge from firsthand experiences, while westside has nothing more than some internet website to base his statements off.
Here is a link that you can use to search the New Orleans Criminal Court records.
http://www.opcso.org/dcktmstr/dcktmstr.php
This link has Michael Tufaro and a former U.S. Representative in 1988 trying to influence a plaintiff in a federal lawsuit. This former U.S. Representative was convicted in 1986 on a charge that he bribed an Indian chief for exclusive rights to hold bingo games on a Chitamacha tribal reservation at Charenton.
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Arc ... l=GooglePM
I have posted this as well as many other things on the New Orleans LCN family that are all based on years of work and research.
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thewestside wrote:It's easy to make claims on the internet where nobody can verify what you say one way or the other. Bottom line, there hasn't been any significant mob activity in New Orleans in nearly 20 years. That should tell you something.gornto wrote:i bet nolawiseguy has his own book or some shy, thats how he knows so much--not that i have anything against it (i had a misdemeanor promoting gambling charge myself back in 02). Therefore, i must agree with him, the marcellos may be gone but that doesnt mean there arent any new families. Nolawiseguy,like myself takes his knowledge from firsthand experiences, while westside has nothing more than some internet website to base his statements off.
This link has a FREE report from 2007.
http://uss-mass.org/documents/CasinoFacts.pdf
Casino-Free Philadelphia | http://www.CasinoFreePhila.org
(adapted with permission from Pennsylvania Family Institute | http://www.pafamily.org)
• Reputed organized crime members from New Orleans and Los Angeles were convicted along
with casino employees in a blackjack-cheating scheme at the President Casino in Gulfport,
Mississippi.7•
This is a real good link for the UNBIASED researcher. It has a member of the Los Angeles LCN working with "high ranking members of the New Orleans LCN".
http://gaming.nv.gov/loep_vaccaroj.htm
This link has a ton of info on the New Orleans Crime Families current status.
http://neworleansmafia.blogspot.com/
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I'm biased? You're the one with the agenda. Vaccaro has been in Nevada's "Black Book" for years and years now. The activity that put him there was a long time ago. Nothing remotely within a recent time frame from which to base an argument that there is still an LCN family in New Orleans.
You can try all you want. But you're trying to get water out of a well that dried up a long time ago. And, for crying out loud, quit posting the link to your Blog. IT'S A BLOG! So it means jack crap!
You can try all you want. But you're trying to get water out of a well that dried up a long time ago. And, for crying out loud, quit posting the link to your Blog. IT'S A BLOG! So it means jack crap!
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Yes it is a blog but all the documents posted on it are REAL FBI and court documents. The MCC Crimnal Intelligence Division has one of the current high ranking members of the New Orleans LCN ( Michael Tufaro) meeting with high ranking members of the Colombo LCN Family as recently as 2009 in New York, Florida, and New Orleans. But unlike you I have spent the time and money to obtain these documents ! If anybody would like to veiw them they can visit http://neworleansmafia.blogspot.com/thewestside wrote:I'm biased? You're the one with the agenda. Vaccaro has been in Nevada's "Black Book" for years and years now. The activity that put him there was a long time ago. Nothing remotely within a recent time frame from which to base an argument that there is still an LCN family in New Orleans.
You can try all you want. But you're trying to get water out of a well that dried up a long time ago. And, for crying out loud, quit posting the link to your Blog. IT'S A BLOG! So it means jack crap!
If you bothered to do any actual research on the New Orleans LCN you would see they are very much still active.
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- What city do you live in now?: New Orleans
Re: New Orleans Mafia (Present)
Good stuff posted here. I like the fact that talkreal uses documented facts to back up his assertions while west side just constantly parrots his same old tired opinions over and over hoping that the repitition will eventually give him credibility. Why someone would be so hell bent on trying to convince everybody that there hasn't been any LCN activity in Nola in 20 years when there clearly has been is beyond me. Typical message board nazi who gets blown up but decides to go down with the ship anyway!