Which Group? most organized crime in NYC?

American organized crime groups included traditional groups such as La Cosa Nostra & the Italian Mafia to modern groups such as Black Mafia Family. Discuss the most organized criminal groups in the United States including gangs in Canada.
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Which Group? most organized crime in NYC?

Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 6:50 pm

Johnny thinks my claim that over the last decade there has been more organized crime activity in New York involving the five Mafia families than all the Russian, Albanian, and Chinese groups in New York combined is just hype.

Well, let's see here shall we? I'll provide a list of all the indictments involving the five Mafia families in New York from 2000 to the present. I'd also provide those of the Russian, Albanian, and Chinese groups but, because Johnny would just accuse me of holding back some of them, I'll let him provide his own evidence by posting all indictments of those groups in New York over the same time period.

Dollars to donuts Johnny is too damn lazy to even do enough research on these other groups (except the Albanians of course). But if he does do it, he'll see I'm right. In which case you can bet he'll try to make up some excuse or change the subject in order to avoid looking like the idiot he is. Bottom line, he's talking out of his ass once again and can't back it up with actual facts.

C'mon Johnny, prove me wrong.

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Re: Time for CheGuevara to put up or shut up

Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 6:52 pm

March 2000
19 Gambino and Colombo associates were indicted on charges of stock fraud.

May 2000
3 Lucchese members and associates, including Captain Joseph "Joey Flowers" Tangorra, were indicted on charges of loansharking.

June 2000
7 Gambino and Bonanno members and associates associates, including Gambino Captain Salvatore “Fat Sally” Scala and Bonanno Captain Thomas DiFiore, were indicted on charges of extortion.

Lucchese Soldier Nicodemo “Nicky Junior” Scarfo and an associate were indicted on charges of illegal gambling and loansharking.

11 members and associates of all all five New York families, including Bonanno Acting Captain Robert “Little Robert” Lino, were indicted on multiple charges of of racketeering, conspiracy, stock fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud, money laundering, witness tampering, extortion, intimidation, solicitation of murder, and labor racketeering related to the Detective’s Endowment Association, Production Workers Union Local 400, and the Union of Operating Engineers Local 137.

July 2000
18 Colombo members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, money laundering, stolen goods, credit card fraud, and bribery.

September 2000
38 Gambino and Lucchese members and associates, including Lucchese Underboss Steven “Wonderboy” Crea and Lucchese Captains Dominick “Crazy Dom” Truscello and Joseph “Joey Flowers” Tangorra, were indicted on multiple charges labor racketeering, exortion, and bribery related to Carpenters Union Local 608; Laborers Union Locals 20, 66, and 79; Bricklayers Union Local 1; Blaster, Miners, and Drillrunners Union Local 29; as well as the Carpenters and Concrete Workers Union District Councils.

6 Lucchese members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of labor racketeering, extortion, conspiracy, and wire fraud.

9 Gambino members and associates, including Captain Anthony “Tony Pep” Trentacosta, were indicted on charges of racketeering, loansharking, fraud, stolen goods, and murder conspiracy.

October 2000
Gambino Captain Michael "Mikey Scars" DiLeonardo was indicted on charges of extortion.

November 2000
7 Lucchese members and associates, including Acting Underboss Eugene “Boopsie” Castelle and Captain Joseph “Flowers” Tangorra, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, drug trafficking, arson, and murder.

January 2001
Colombo Acting Boss Alphonse "Little Allie Boy" Persico was indicted on charges of loansharking.

February 2001
11 Colombo members and associates, including Acting Boss Alphonse “Little Allie Boy” Persico and Underboss John “Jackie” DeRoss, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, money laundering, stock fraud, extortion, and drug trafficking.

March 2001
20 Gambino associates were indicted on charges of stock fraud.

11 Lucchese members and associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, mortgage fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud, bank fraud, and drug trafficking.

April 2001
45 members and associates of all five New York families, including Genovese Acting Boss Frank “Farby” Serpico and Genovese Captains Rosario "Ross" Gangi, Alan "Baldy" Longo, Peter "Petey Red" DiChiara, and Acting Captain Salvatore "Sammy Meatballs" Aparo, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, exortion, drug trafficking, mail fraud, wire fraud, stock fraud, money laundering, and bribery.

September 2001
24 Genovese members and associates, including Captain Frederico “Fritizie” Giovanelli, were indicted on charges related to a stolen auto parts ring.

October 2001
6 Gambino and Bonanno members and associates, including Gambino Captain Louis “Bracciole” Ricco and Bonanno Captain Joseph Taormina, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, and loansharking.

8 Bonanno associates were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, drug trafficking, and weapons trafficking.

November 2001
7 Bonanno members and associates, including Underboss Salvatore “Good Looking Sal” Vitale, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, extortion, illegal gambling, loansharking, money laundering, and bank fraud.

December 2001
73 Genovese members and associates, including Captains Pasquale “Patsy” Parello, Rosario “Ross” Gangi, and Joseph “Joe D” Dente, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, stock fraud, trafficking in stolen goods, counterfeiting, attempted bank fraud, and labor racketeering related to Carpenters Union Locals 11 and 964.

12 Lucchese members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, drug trafficking, and assault.

4 Colombo associates were indicted on charges of stock fraud.

January 2002
8 Genovese members and associates, including Boss Vincent “The Chin” Gigante, Acting Boss Ernest “Ernie” Muscarella,Former Acting Boss Liborio “Barney” Bellomo, and Captain Charles “Chuckie” Tuzzo, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, extortion, labor racketeering, bribery, money laundering, mail fraud, stock fraud, illegal gambling, and obstruction of justice related to ILA Local 1804-1, as well as the Teamsters and Carpenters Unions.

Feburary 2002
26 Genovese and Gambino members and associates, including Genovese Captain John “Buster” Ardito, were indicted on labor racketeering and extortion charges related to the International Union of Elevator Workers Local 1.

4 Gambino members, including Captains Louis “Big Lou” Vallario and Michael “Mikey Scars” DiLeonardo, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, bribery, murder, and labor racketeering related to Building Service Workers Union Local 32/BJ.

March 2002
15 Bonanno members and associates, including Consigliere Anthony “T.G.” Graziano and Captain Frank “The Fireman” Porco, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, drug trafficking, and murder.

7 Genovese associates were indicted on multiple charges of labor racketeering, conspiracy, extortion, and bribery related to ILA Local 1588.

June 2002
17 Gambino members and associates, including Boss Peter “Petey Boy” Gotti and Captains Anthony “Sonny” Ciccone and Richard Gotti, were indicted on multiple charges of extortion, labor racketeering, wire fraud, loansharking, and illegal gambling related to ILA Locals 1 and 1814.

6 Gambino members and associates, including Boss Peter “Petey Boy” Gotti and Captains Louis “Big Lou” Vallario and Michael “Mikey Scars” DiLeonardo, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, fraud, labor racketeering related to Building Service Workers Union Local 32 B/J, witness tampering, bribery, murder, and murder conspiracy.

October 2002
Bonanno Acting Underboss Richard “Shellackhead” Cantarella and Captain Frank Coppa were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, money laundering, kidnapping, and murder.

November 2002
Over 20 Lucchese members and associates, including Consigliere Joseph “Joe C” Caridi and Acting Captains John “Johnny Sideburns” Cerrella and Vincent “Vinny Casablanca” Mancione, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, and fraud.

8 Colombo members and associates, including Acting Captain Frank "Campy" Campanella, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, and firearms.

December 2002
17 Gambino members and associates, including Captain Ronald “Ronnie One Arm” Trucchio, were indicted on charges of illegal gambling.
27 Lucchese and Bonanno members and associates, including Bonanno Captain Vincent “Vinny TV” Badalamenti, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, and drug trafficking.

January 2003
10 Gambino members and associates, including Captain Joseph "Sonny" Juliano, were indicted on charges of illegal gambling and loansharking.

12 Colombo members and associates, including Consigliere Joel “Joe Waverly” Cacace, were indicted on charges of racketeering and murder.

Bonanno Boss Joseph “Big Joey” Massino, Underboss Salvatore “Good Looking Sal” Vitale, Captain Frank Lino, and Acting Captains Robert “Little Robert” Lino and Daniel “Dirty Danny” Mongelli were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, and murder.

February 2003
42 Genovese and Colombo members and associates, including Genovese Acting Boss Ernest “Ernie” Muscarella, Acting Captain Louis Moscatiello, Colombo Underboss John “Jackie” DeRoss and Consigliere Joel “Joe Waverly” Cacace, were indicted on multiple charges of labor racketeering, extortion, and mail fraud related to the International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 and 15.

Over 20 Colombo members and associates, including Consigliere Joel “Joe Waverly” Cacace and Captain Luca DiMatteo, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, and murder.

March 2003
7 Gambino members and associates, including Captain Salvatore “Tore” Locascio, were indicted on charges of telecommunications fraud.

10 Lucchese associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, illegal gambling, and money laundering.

Lucchese Acting Boss Louis “Louie Bagels” Daidone indicted on charges of racketeering, loansharking, and murder.

April 2003
29 Gambino associates were indicted on multiple charges of drug trafficking.

May 2003
4 Genovese members and associates, including Captain Frederico “Fritzy” Giovannelli, were indicted on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, illegal gambling, extortion, stolen goods, and obstruction of justice.

4 Lucchese members and associates, including Acting Boss Louis “Louie Bagels” Daidone, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, and murder.

June 2003
19 Genovese members and associates, including Captain Ludwig “Ninny” Bruschi, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, drug trafficking, and stolen goods.

Over 20 Colombo members and associates, including Acting Consigliere Ralph Lombardo, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, and witness tampering.

August 2003
5 Bonanno members and associates, including Boss Joseph "Big Joey" Massino and Captain Patrick "Patty from the Bronx" DeFilippo, were indicted on charges of racketeering and murder.

Gambino Acting Boss Peter “Petey Boy” Gotti indicted on charges of racketeering, extortion, and murder conspiracy.

December 2003
Colombo Captain Charles "Charlie Moose" Panarella was indicted on charges of labor racketeering related to the Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 and 15.

January 2004
18 Bonanno members and associates, including Acting Boss Anthony “Tony Green” Urso, Acting Underboss Joseph “Joe C” Cammarano, Captains Peter "Peter Rabbit" Calabrese, Joseph "Joe Desi" DeSimone, Anthony "Tony Black" Furino, Sandro Aiosa, Acting Captain Robert "Bobby Ha Ha" Attanasio, former Captains Louis "Louie Ha Ha" Attanasio, Louis Restivo, Baldo Amato, and former Acting Captains Michael "Mikey Batts" Cardello and Generoso "Jimmy the General" Barbieri, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, loansharking, extortion, and drug trafficking.

March 2004
31 Colombo members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, conspiracy, extortion, mail fraud, bribery, money laundering, and illegal gambling.

April 2004
22 Genovese members and associates, including Acting Captain Louis Moscatiello, were indicted on multiple charges of labor racketeering, extortion, and fraud related to the Plasters Union Local 530 and Carpenters Union Locals 20, 45, 157, and 608.

June 2004
Gambino Soldier Vincent “Vinny Butch” Corrao indicted on charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, and extortion.

July 2004
4 Gambino members and associates, including former Acting Boss John “Junior” Gotti, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, extortion, fraud, kidnapping, and attempted murder.

8 Genovese members and associates, including Captain John “Johnny Sausages” Barbato, were indicted on multiple charges of labor racketeering, extortion, and bribery related to Roofers Union Local 8.

3 ILA officials were indicted for being associates of the Genovese and Gambino families and charged with extortion and labor racketeering related to ILA Locals 1804-1, 1922, 1922-1, and 2062.

September 2004
12 Gambino members and associates, including Acting Underboss Anthony “The Genius” Megale, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, extortion, and illegal gambling.

5 Gambino members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, extortion, fraud, and money laundering related to Laborers Union Local 79.

October 2004
4 Colombo members and associates, including Acting Boss Alphonse “Little Allie Boy” Persico and Underboss John “Jackie” DeRoss, were indicted on racketeering and murder charges.

November 2004
Bonanno Acting Boss Vincent “Vinny Gorgeous” Basciano was indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling and murder.

December 2004
43 Genovese, Lucchese, and Bonanno members and associates, including Genovese Captain Joseph “The Eagle” Gatto, were indicted on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, drug trafficking, and stolen goods.

6 Gambino members and associates, including Captain Ronald “Ronnie One Arm” Trucchio, were indicted on multiple charges of conspiracy, drug trafficking, extortion, armed robbery, and illegal gambling.

January 2005
17 Gambino associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, illegal gambling, loansharking, money laundering, and wire fraud.

February 2005
23 Bonanno members and associates, including Captain Gerard "Gerry" Chilli, were indicted on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, drug trafficking, fraud, stolen goods, and money laundering.

Genovese Acting Captain Lawrence “Larry” Ricci was indicted on charges of labor racketeering related to ILA Local 1235.

March 2005
32 Gambino members and associates, including Acting Boss Arnold “Zeke” Squitieri, Acting Underboss Anthony “The Genius” Megale, Captain Alphonse “Funzi” Sisca and Acting Captain Gregory “Greg” DePalma, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, trafficking in stolen property, extortion, and labor racketeering related to United Food & Commerical Workers Union 305.

Former NYPD detectives Louis Eppolito and Steven Caracappa were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, obstruction of justice, extortion, and numerous murder counts related to their work for former Lucchese family Underboss Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso.

3 Lucchese members and associates, including Captain John "Johnny Hooks" Capra, were indicted on charges of illegal gambling.

8 Genovese associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, stolen goods, firearms, drug trafficking, money laundering, tax fraud, and insurance fraud.

April 2005
4 Genovese members including Acting Genovese Boss Dominick “Quiet Dom” Cirillo, Captains John “Johnny Sausages” Barbarto and Lawrence “Little Larry” Dentico, and Acting Captain Anthony “Tico” Antico, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, extortion, loansharking, witness tampering, and murder conspiracy.

17 Genovese and Bonanno members and associates were indicted on charges of illegal gambling.

June 2005
12 Bonanno members and associates, including Acting Consigliere Anthony “Mr. Fish” Rabito, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, weapons possession, and corruption.

July 2005
20 Genovese members and associates, including Captain Matthew “Matty the Horse” Ianniello and Acting Captain Ciro Perrone, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, extortion, loansharking, and labor racketeering related to the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1181.

July 2005
35 people tied to the Genovese and Gambino families, including various union officials, were indicted on multiple charges of labor racketeering, extortion, fraud, and money laundering related to ILA Locals 1, 824, 1235, 1588, 1804-1, 1814, 1922, 1922-1, 2019, and 2062.

August 2005
15 Genovese members and associates, including Captains Lawrence “Little Larry” Dentico, Ludwig “Ninny” Bruchi, and Joseph "The Eagle" Gatto, were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, and extortion.

A Long Island judge is indicted on charges of conspiracy and money laundering for a Genovese member and associate.

September 2005
3 Gambino associates were indicted on murder charges.

Gambino Captain Domenick “Skinny Dom” Pizzonia was indicted on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, loansharking, and murder.

2 Gambino associates indicted on charges of racketeering conspiracy.

November 2005
5 Bonanno members and associates, including Captain Dominick Cicale, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, loansharking, and illegal gambling.

January 2006
6 Bonanno associates were indicted on charges of drug trafficking.

February 2006
32 Genovese members and associates, including Captains Liborio “Barney” Bellomo and John “Buster” Ardito, were indicted on multiple charges of extortion, money laundering, drug trafficking, illegal gambling, assault, intimidation, and labor racketeering related to Bakery, Confectionary, and Tobacco Worker’s Union Local 102.

March 2006
10 Lucchese, Colombo, and Bonanno members and associates, including Colombo Captain Joseph Baudanza, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, extortion, witness tampering, kidnapping, money laundering, and stock fraud.

3 Genovese members and associates, including Captain Angelo “The Horn” Prisco, were indicted on charges of extortion and assault conspiracy.

10 Gambino associates were indicted on charges of illegal gambling.

Former FBI agent Lindley Devecchio indicted on charges of assisting the late Colombo Captain Gregory "The Grim Reaper" Scarpa commit four murders during the 1990's.

May 2006
3 Gambino members and associates, including Captain Michael "Mikey Boy" Paradiso, were indicted on multile charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, and drug trafficking.

5 Bonanno members and associates indicted on charges of loansharking, weapons possession, robbery, carjacking, arson, assault, and murder.

June 2006
29 people, including Genovese Captain Matthew “Matty the Horse” Ianniello, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, tax fraud, consumer fraud, and corruption involving control of the garbage industry.

June 2006
Gambino Captain Nicholas Mitarotonda was indicted on charges of loansharking.

July 2006
6 Genovese members and associates, including Captain Renaldi “Ray” Ruggiero, were indicted on multiple charges of extortion, robbery, loansharking, bank fraud, and money laundering.

Betonsports, a multibillion dollar internet gambling company with ties to the Gambino and Bonanno families, is indicted on charges of illegal gambling.

November 2006
11 Genovese and Lucchese members and associates were indicted on charges of illegal gambing.

Playwithal, a multibillion dollar internet gambling company with ties to the Lucchese family, was indicted on charges of illegal gambling.

Bonanno Acting Boss Michael “Mikey Nose” Mancuso was indicted on charges of murder.

Genovese Soldier Salvatore “Hot Dogs” Battaglia indicted on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, labor racketeering, extortion, bribery, and obstruction of justice related to the Amalgamated Transit Union Local 1181.

December 2006
8 Genovese and Gambino members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, conspiracy, loansharking, exortion, attempted obstruction of justice, arson, and murder.

Gambino Acting Captain John "Johnny G" Gammarano and an associate were indicted on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, extortion, stock fraud.

11 Colombo associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, drug trafficking, robbery, firearms, and assault.

January 2007
11 Gambino and Lucchese members and associates, including Gambino Captain George DeCicco, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, bribery, extortion, money laundering, loansharking, and bank fraud.

12 Genovese associates indicted on charges of illegal gambling.

February 2007
19 Bonanno members and associates, including Acting Underboss Nicholas “Nicky Mouth” Santora, Acting Consigliere Anthony “Mr. Fish” Rabito, and Captains Jerome “Jerry” Asaro, Louis “Louie Electric” DeCicco, and Acting Captain Joseph Cammarano, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, extortion, loansharking, stock fraud, and drug trafficking.

March 2007
10 Genovese and Lucchese associates were indicted on charges of illegal gambling.

19 Lucchese members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering conspiracy, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, theft, and money laundering.

April 2007
27 Gambino and Colombo associates were indicted on charges of illegal gambling.

4 Genovese associates were indicted on charges of labor racketeering related to the Production, Clerical, & Public Employees Union Local 911.

May 2007
Over a dozen Gambino and Lucchese members and associates were indicted on charges of illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, assault, and labor racketeering related to the Union of Operating Engineers Local 825 and Laborers Union Local 1153.

Genovese Acting Boss Daniel “The Lion” Leo and an associate were indicted on charges of loansharking and extortion.

Colombo Underboss John “Sonny” Franzese was arrested on charges of violating his parole.

October 2007
7 Genovese associates were indicted on charges of extortion and robbery.

December 2007
32 Lucchese members and associates, including Acting Bosses Joseph “Big Joe” DiNapoli and Matthew Madonna and Captain Ralph Perna, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, drug trafficking, and money laundering.

January 2008
12 Genovese associates were indicted on charges of illegal gambling.

6 Gambino members and associates, including Captain Vincent "Vinny" Artuso, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering conspiracy, mail fruad, wire fraud, and money laundering.

February 2008
61 Gambino, Genovese, and Bonanno members and associates, including Gambino Acting Boss John "Jackie Nose" D'Amico, Acting Underboss Domenico "Italian Dom" Cefalu, Consigliere Joseph "Jo Jo" Corozzo, Captains Nicholas "Little Nick" Corozzo, Thomas "Tommy Sneakers" Cacciopoli, Leonard "Lenny" DiMaria, and Acting Captains Frank Cali, Louis Filipelli, and Augustus "Gus" Sclafani, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, drug trafficking, stock fraud, bribery, robbery, extortion, murder, and labor racketeering related to Teamsters Union Local 282 and Laborers Union Locals 325 and 731.

26 Gambino members and associates, including Captain Nicholas “Little Nick” Corozzo, were indicted on multiple charges of enterprise corruption, conspiracy, illegal gambling, loansharking, stolen goods, and promoting prostitution.

8 Lucchese members and associates, including Captain Domenico “Danny” Cutaia, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, drug trafficking, bank fraud, and mail fraud.

March 2008
45 Genovese associates were indicted on charges illegal gambling and drug trafficking.

6 Colombo members and associates, including Captain Michael Uvino, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, robbery conspiracy, kidnapping, and assault.

Genovese connected carting company charged with bribing a Mt. Vernon public works official.

May 2008
23 Gambino and Lucchese members and associates were indicted on multiple charges of illegal gambling, extortion, bank fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, stolen goods, labor racketeering, and money laundering.

June 2008
3 Gambino associates were indicted on charges of murder.

13 Colombo members and associates, including Acting Boss Thomas "Tommy Shots" Gioeli and Underboss John "Sonny" Franzese, were indicted on multiple counts of racketeering, robbery, extortion, drug traffickng, loansharking, and murder.

2 Genovese associates had been indicted on murder charges related to the killing of Genovese Captain Adolfo “Big Al” Bruno in November 2003.

August 2008
6 Gambino members and associates, including former Acting Boss John “Junior” Gotti, were indicted on charges of racketeering conspiracy, drug trafficking, and murder.

7 Bonanno members and associates, including Acting Captains Gerald “Gerry” Chilli and John “Big John” Contello, were indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, drug trafficking, and tax fraud.

September 2008
Genovese Captain Angelo “The Horn” Prisco was indicted on multiple charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, extortion, robbery, stolen goods, arson, and murder.

November 2008
Genovese Acting Captain Michael “Mikey Cigars” Coppola was indicted on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, fraud, labor racketeering related to ILA local 1235, and murder.

8 Lucchese members and associates, including Acting Captain Anthony Croce, were indicted on charges of illegal gambling and drug trafficking.

December 2008
Genovese Acting Captain Anthony “Tico” Antico and an associate indicted on charges of murder and robbery conspiracy.

4 Colombo members, including Acting Boss Thomas “Tommy Shots” Gioeli, Consigliere Joel “Joe Waverly” Cacace, and Captain Dino “Big Dino” Calabro, were indicted on charges of racketeering and murder.

4 Genovese associates were indicted on charges of illegal gambling.

Genovese Captain Angelo “The Horn” Prisco indicted on charges of murder.

January 2009
2 Gambino-linked construction officials were indicted on charges of fraud and grand larceny involving construction project kickbacks.

February 2009
13 Genovese members and associates, including former Acting Boss Daniel “The Lion” Leo and Acting Captain Anthony “Tony D” Palumbo, were indicted on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, illegal gambling, loansharking, extortion, drug trafficking, and stolen goods.

6 Genovese associates indicted on charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, loansharking, and stolen goods.

Former Gambino Acting Boss John “Jackie Nose” D’Amico and high-level Associate Joseph “Joe the German” Watts were indicted in charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, extortion, obstruction of justice, and murder.

10 Bonanno associates were indicted on charges of drug trafficking.

April 2009
34 Genovese members and associates were indicted on charges of racketeering, illegal gambling, and money laundering.

May 2009
11 Bonanno members and associates were indicted on charges of drug trafficking, stolen goods, contraband cigarettes, extortion, illegal gambling, loansharking, fraud, obstruction of justice, murder, and murder conspirarcy.

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Re: Time for CheGuevara to put up or shut up

Unread post by CheGuevara » May 27th, 2009, 6:59 pm

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo poor pooor dickhead.

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Re: Time for CheGuevara to put up or shut up

Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 7:03 pm

CheGuevara wrote:lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo poor pooor dickhead.
What's so funny Johnny? I made a statement based on well researched facts and you said you don't believe my hype. Well, prove me wrong. Just like I said, you're now trying to just laugh this off. C'mon chump, show everyone which one of us really knows what they're talking about.

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Re: Time for CheGuevara to put up or shut up

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thewestside wrote:
CheGuevara wrote:lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo poor pooor dickhead.
What's so funny Johnny? I made a statement based on well researched facts and you said you don't believe my hype. Well, prove me wrong. Just like I said, you're now trying to just laugh this off. C'mon chump, show everyone which one of us really knows what they're talking about.
my indictments will be with sources. i won't put them up until you have sources for every indictment you just put up. god knows how many you just typed yourself. put up the sources and i will take mine out.

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Re: Time for CheGuevara to put up or shut up

Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 7:09 pm

CheGuevara wrote:my indictments will be with sources. i won't put them up until you have sources for every indictment you just put up. god knows how many you just typed yourself. put up the sources and i will take mine out.
You slimy piece of shit. You know damn well I haven't made any of those up. They include the crime family or families, the main people indicted, how many, the indictment counts, etc. You're free to do your Google searches and check any of them. Anyone is free to double check them. You're just trying to find an excuse to not back up your BS.

C'mon pal. You're all about you posting up what you can find on Albanians and then waiting for others to post up what they can find on whatever group you're trying to compare them to. Well, here's your chance. And as an added bonus, you can also add in any Russian and Chinese indictments you can find.

Quit trying to sleeze your way out of this and actually back yourself up.

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Re: Time for CheGuevara to put up or shut up

Unread post by CheGuevara » May 27th, 2009, 7:12 pm

thewestside wrote:You slimy piece of shit. You know damn well I haven't made any of those up. They include the crime family or families, the main people indicted, how many, the indictment counts, etc. You're free to do your Google searches and check any of them. Anyone is free to double check them. You're just trying to find an excuse to not back up your BS.

C'mon pal. You're all about you posting up what you can find on Albanians and then waiting for others to post up what they can find on whatever group you're trying to compare them to. Well, here's your chance. And as an added bonus, you can also add in any Russian and Chinese indictments you can find.

Quit trying to sleeze your way out of this and actually back yourself up.
dickhead you made alot of those up yourself. not to mention more then half of your list is just "associates" of the five families. practically everyone is dubbed a five families associate for media purposes dickhead

put up the sources, i don't trust your word for a minute dickhead. how many times have you been dead wrong? i just nailed another source to your head on the other thread which is why you don't answer there. but you expect me to answer to whatever BS, made up lists you make? no chance dickhead.

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Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 7:15 pm

CheGuevara wrote:dickhead you made alot of those up yourself. not to mention more then half of your list is just "associates" of the five families. practically everyone is dubbed a five families associate for media purposes dickhead

put up the sources, i don't trust your word for a minute dickhead. how many times have you been dead wrong? i just nailed another source to your head on the other thread which is why you don't answer there. but you expect me to answer to whatever BS, made up lists you make? no chance dickhead.
OK, asshole. Show me just one of those indictments I made up. JUST ONE!

And now you're trying to make up excuses about associates? See, just like I said, you're trying to sleeze your way out of this. Your made yet another stupid statement, can't back it up, and now you're backpeddling.

C'mon you filthy piece of Albanian shit. Show me and everyone else here all the Russian, Albanian, and Chinese indictments in New York over the past decade. And show me and everone else here just one indictment above that I made up.

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Unread post by CheGuevara » May 27th, 2009, 7:19 pm

thewestside wrote:OK, ahole. Show me just one of those indictments I made up. JUST ONE!

And now you're trying to make up excuses about associates? See, just like I said, you're trying to sleeze your way out of this. Your made yet another stupid statement, can't back it up, and now you're backpeddling.

C'mon you filthy piece of Albanian shit. Show me and everyone else here all the Russian, Albanian, and Chinese indictments in New York over the past decade. And show me and everone else here just one indictment above that I made up.

typical dickhead, want's other people to do his homework. makes up a list and then wants other people to go and research the entire thing.

put up your sources. i am not going against your made up list. 90% of what you've said on this forum based on a "source" or countless hours of "researching" or anything that wasen't present in your post has been BS. i am not playing your game dickhead.

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Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 7:23 pm

CheGuevara wrote:typical dickhead, want's other people to do his homework. makes up a list and then wants other people to go and research the entire thing.

put up your sources. i am not going against your made up list. 90% of what you've said on this forum based on a "source" or countless hours of "researching" or anything that wasen't present in your post has been BS. i am not playing your game dickhead.
You know damn well I have made nothing up. I've posted this list before and you've never accused me of making it up. But you are now because you are desperately trying to find an excuse not to provide your own evidence. You don't have to research everything I posted. If you're so sure I made stuff up, just show me one example. There must be something there you recognize as made up or you wouldn't have made the accusation. Oh but wait, you already accused me of hyping once before until I proved you wrong with this list. And now that you've been proven wrong, you're just trying to backpeddle.

Quit being a coward Johnny. Provide the Russian, Albanian, and Chinese indictments or at least give me just one example above of where I made something up.

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Unread post by CheGuevara » May 27th, 2009, 7:25 pm

thewestside wrote:Quit being a coward Johnny. Provide the Russian, Albanian, and Chinese indictments or at least give me just one example above of where I made something up.
dickhead, as if i am actually going to waste my time FOR YOU(dickhead) and research every albanian/russian/chinese arrest in the past ten years to try and compete with your made up list. not to mention you even put up associates of the italians. and mob associate is thrown around like nothing by the media.

stop talking, just shut up, it's embarassing to see your words dickhead.

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Unread post by DutchGangster69 » May 27th, 2009, 7:33 pm

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Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 7:37 pm

CheGuevara wrote:dickhead, as if i am actually going to waste my time FOR YOU(dickhead) and research every albanian/russian/chinese arrest in the past ten years to try and compete with your made up list. not to mention you even put up associates of the italians. and mob associate is thrown around like nothing by the media.

stop talking, just shut up, it's embarassing to see your words dickhead.
If you weren't prepared to back yourself up and prove me wrong, then you shouldn't have said anything. But you opened your fucking mouth anyway and got yourself in a jam once again. And now, just like I said you would, you are trying to make up one excuse after another to get out of it.

The list of associates in the list above were those included in the indictments as associates. It has nothing to do with the media. It has to do with what the indictments said. Quit mealy mouthing and be a man for once in your pathetic life and just admit your were wrong or prove me wrong.

You're sinking fast Johnny. Here's a chance for you to show everyone once and for all I'm full of shit. You don't have to research the whole list. Just give ONE example where I made something up. But you won't because you can't. Just like I knew you couldn't. I never expected you to actually back yourself up. This thread was simply to show everyone that it's you who is full of shit.

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Unread post by CheGuevara » May 27th, 2009, 7:45 pm

i can't even pick out indictments from the list dickhead. all you did was give us "8 associates of the gambinos indicted", "6 associates of the geneoves indicted" like wtf? you're a mess as a person.

please shut up, you're too hard to deal with, you're just too much of a dumbass. you and your made up list dicko. even though the albanian/russian/chinese indictments make much much much much more, i am not going to bother with evenr making up the list. you just had this list on a saved file WHICH IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING SAD AND MESSED UP.

so i'll leave it to you big mouth, list all the albanian/russian/chinese indictments on here. if you leave any out, i'll fill in the rest, but you make the list sir-dick.

your game, you play it. also, admit you were wrong about marijuana in italy. i am not doing what you (a dickhead) asks when you didn't apoligize like a bitch when i told you too.

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Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 7:50 pm

CheGuevara wrote:i can't even pick out indictments from the list dickhead. all you did was give us "8 associates of the gambinos indicted", "6 associates of the geneoves indicted" like wtf? you're a mess as a person.

please shut up, you're too hard to deal with, you're just too much of a dumbass. you and your made up list dicko. even though the albanian/russian/chinese indictments make much much much much more, i am not going to bother with evenr making up the list. you just had this list on a saved file WHICH IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO #%@&#%@ SAD AND MESSED UP.

so i'll leave it to you big mouth, list all the albanian/russian/chinese indictments on here. if you leave any out, i'll fill in the rest, but you make the list sir-dick.

your game, you play it. also, admit you were wrong about marijuana in italy. i am not doing what you (a dickhead) asks when you didn't apoligize like a bitch when i told you too.
Most of them I have included the names of anyone who was a captain or higher. I also included the charges involved and how many total defendants. As well as the month and year.

C'mon Google boy, you are so good at Googling. If you doubt any of them, just Google them and prove me wrong.

I'm not going to do your leg work for you. You are the one who started this by saying I was just hyping the Italians. Well, I have provided a list of the Mafia's indictments in New York over the past decade. Now it's up to you to prove me wrong since you said I was.

If you were so sure I'm wrong as you pretended to be, you must have information that proves me wrong and supports your reason for thinking so. Or maybe you were just talking out of your ass once again, got caught in a lie, and now you're backed into another corner.

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Unread post by CheGuevara » May 27th, 2009, 7:53 pm

Well, I have provided a list of the Mafia's indictments in New York over the past decade. Now it's up to you to prove me wrong since you said I was.
loooooool, this is exactly what your dickhead ass accused me off, supplying source and then leaving it to other people to prove me wrong. ohhhhhh how funny becomes thy dickhead.

honestly, now just shut up. you never did this for me so i'm not doing it for you. everytime i had a source, you never proved me wrong and just insulted me for providing sources that were "selective" according to dickhead and then "unloading the work unto you" or something like that. i remember it was some kind of gay phrase....

you wouldn't even answer the questions i alligned for you before you left. so fuck you, the albanians are more powerful in europe, worldwide and in new york. period, night.

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Unread post by DutchGangster69 » May 27th, 2009, 8:01 pm

fuk you che looking up the dutch gay gang

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Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 8:05 pm

CheGuevara wrote:loooooool, this is exactly what your dickhead ass accused me off, supplying source and then leaving it to other people to prove me wrong. ohhhhhh how funny becomes thy dickhead.

honestly, now just shut up. you never did this for me so i'm not doing it for you. everytime i had a source, you never proved me wrong and just insulted me for providing sources that were "selective" according to dickhead and then "unloading the work unto you" or something like that. i remember it was some kind of gay phrase....

you wouldn't even answer the questions i alligned for you before you left. so fu-- you, the albanians are more powerful in europe, worldwide and in new york. period, night.
First, you started this by saying I was just hyping the Mafia when you had no reason to think so. You just decided to talk out of your ass as usual and now you're stuck.

Second, the difference is, I've actually researched the indictments of Russian, Chinese, and Albanian groups in New York over the same time period. All of them combined don't even come close to those of the five Mafia families, despite all the media hype otherwise.

You just do research (actually frantic Google searches) on Albanians alone and don't do jack shit of any research on any other groups. No wonder you think the Albanians are the end all, be all of organized crime. And of course, because you're Albanian.

And now you're saying they are the most powerful not only in Europe, but also in New York and worldwide. I know you'll backpeddle later on and say you were just kidding. But it's obvious that you really do believe this.

Bottom line Johnny, you're a coward.

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Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 8:07 pm

Well, there you have it folks. Just like I said, Johnny was too lazy to do any research himself. And just like I said he would, he just tried to change the subject and make up excuses after he painted himself into a corner with his big, fat Albanian mouth.

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Unread post by CheGuevara » May 27th, 2009, 8:08 pm

thewestside wrote:And now you're saying they are the most powerful not only in Europe, but also in New York and worldwide. I know you'll backpeddle later on and say you were just kidding. But it's obvious that you really do believe this.
it's the truth.
Bottom line Johnny, you're a coward.
you never even met me dumbass lmaoooooooooooooo, what a moron.... i swear to god, i wish you would stop and evaluate what the fcuk you are saying to a 17 year old 3,000 miles away. hahahahaha oh my god....

if you researched the albanians/russians/chinese then post them up. bottom line, post them up or shut the hell up. i told you, i will fill in any indictments that you don't mention.

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Unread post by CheGuevara » May 27th, 2009, 8:09 pm

DutchGangster69 wrote:#%@& you che looking up the dutch gay gang

lol, didn't like that eh? something had to be done about your big ego.

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Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 8:17 pm

CheGuevara wrote:it's the truth.
There you have it folks. Just like I said he would, Johnny has quickly elevated the Albanians to the top of the ladder not only in Europe, not only in New York, but also worldwide. It was only a matter of time.
if you researched the albanians/russians/chinese then post them up. bottom line, post them up or shut the hell up. i told you, i will fill in any indictments that you don't mention.
You started this shit and now you're expecting me to do your work for you. Face it Johnny, your mouth tried to pass a check your ass can't cash. You should not have said I was just hyping the Mafia because you don't even know how many comparable indictments there have been involving the Russians, Albanians, and Chinese. This just shows you were talking out of you ass AGAIN!

And I say you're a coward because, rather than just admit you were wrong, you play this stupid game and try to weasle your way out of it. I thought you Albanians were supposed to be brave and honorable. Well, you're one Albanian who is just a slimy, little coward. The fact that you're 17 years old is no excuse for your stupidity.

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Re: Time for CheGuevara to put up or shut up

Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 8:17 pm

CheGuevara wrote:
DutchGangster69 wrote:#%@& you che looking up the dutch gay gang

lol, didn't like that eh? something had to be done about your big ego.
More irony from Johnny. The sad fact is, he's the only one that doesn't see it.

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Unread post by CheGuevara » May 27th, 2009, 8:21 pm

thewestside wrote:There you have it folks. Just like I said he would, Johnny has quickly elevated the Albanians to the top of the ladder not only in Europe, not only in New York, but also worldwide. It was only a matter of time.
i said more powerful, meaning more powerful then the italians dickhead, why do you keep saying there you have it folks? like anybody fucking reads every single of our posts... lol what an idiot.
You started this shit and now you're expecting me to do your work for you. Face it Johnny, your mouth tried to pass a check your ass can't cash. You should not have said I was just hyping the Mafia because you don't even know how many comparable indictments there have been involving the Russians, Albanians, and Chinese. This just shows you were talking out of you ass AGAIN!

And I say you're a coward because, rather than just admit you were wrong, you play this stupid game and try to weasle your way out of it. I thought you Albanians were supposed to be brave and honorable. Well, you're one Albanian who is just a slimy, little coward. The fact that you're 17 years old is no excuse for your stupidity.
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i started it even though you gave out the list? that makes no sense dickhead..... :S

listen molestor.... you call me a coward for not admitting i was wrong even though the indictments are not up yet but yet at the same time, you're the one who won't answer on the marijuana thread because he was wrong. you're the one who still does not admit he was wrong about the heroin, human smuggling, prostitution, car thefts and marijuana in italy. when you man up, let me know.

mannnnn, it's hilarious to see you contradict yourself. you do it between 2-3 posts too. so it's funny because all i have to do is like scroll up and see a contradiction.

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Re: Time for CheGuevara to put up or shut up

Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 8:30 pm

You honestly believe the Albanians are more powerful than the Mafia in New York?

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Unread post by CheGuevara » May 27th, 2009, 8:34 pm

thewestside wrote:You honestly believe the Albanians are more powerful than the Mafia in New York?
i don't know for sure. if i had to choose, i would choose the albanian criminal faction over the lcn. it seems like a more likely scenario. the YACS group alone has 300 members. that is bigger then any family.

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Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 8:38 pm

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thewestside wrote:You honestly believe the Albanians are more powerful than the Mafia in New York?
i don't know for sure. if i had to choose, i would choose the albanian criminal faction over the lcn. it seems like a more likely scenario. the YACS group alone has 300 members. that is bigger then any family.
Well once again, you're contradicting yourself. It wasn't too long ago that you yourself said that the Mafia was still clearly the strongest group in New York. But we're just supposed to believe something changed between now and then? Well, something did change - you're opinion.

And for the record, the YACS groups include many of different Balkan origins. That's the whole reason for their name. And 300 is not bigger than any family. Each family has anywhere from 100-200 made members and hundreds (or thousands) of associates depending on what member-to-associate ratio you want to go with.

I think you know as well as I do that the Albanians don't measure up to the Mafia in New York. But you choose to argue otherwise because of nothing more than your damned pride.

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Unread post by CheGuevara » May 27th, 2009, 8:43 pm

thewestside wrote:Well once again, you're contradicting yourself. It wasn't too long ago that you yourself said that the Mafia was still clearly the strongest group in New York. But we're just supposed to believe something changed between now and then? Well, something did change - you're opinion.
i always knew the albanian criminals were close but the saviano and fbi report convinced me. that is what changed my opinion. i didn't see those two statements before.
And for the record, the YACS groups include many of different Balkan origins. That's the whole reason for their name. And 300 is not bigger than any family. Each family has anywhere from 100-200 made members and hundreds (or thousands) of associates depending on what member-to-associate ratio you want to go with.
lmaooo. first of all, since you like indictments for proof so much. go back to all the YACs indictments. you will see almost every single person indicted under that group from new york to michigan to california turned out albanian. except for one croatian and one italian guy.

the reason for the name is because of the albanians from former yugoslavia. the ones with -ic on their last names because of the yugoslav communist government changing their names. go see the indictments if you want proof.

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Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 11:11 pm

CheGuevara wrote:i always knew the albanian criminals were close but the saviano and fbi report convinced me. that is what changed my opinion. i didn't see those two statements before.
You've got to be kidding me.

First, regardless of the fact that he said "clans," Saviano was clearly talking with reference to the Rudaj organization. As I've said over and over again, all this talk about the Albanians pushing aside the Mafia has stemmed from that single group. And time has shown all the talk to be just that - talk. Not even one other example of any Albanian group confronting the Mafia or cutting into it's rackets. It's the exact same thing we've seen in past decades with the blacks, the Colombians, the Chinese, and the Russians. Now it's the Albanians. It probably won't be long before another group is on the scene and being proclaimed to be challenging the Mafia. It makes for good press and so the media eats it up but it's not based on reality.

Second, I'm getting tired of you referring to this mysterious FBI report. All you have is it being referenced in an article. There is no FBI report that has said the Albanians are taking over the Italians and Russians in New York. If there is, please provide it or quit citing it.

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Unread post by thewestside » May 27th, 2009, 11:16 pm

And I should add that I've repeatedly provided direct FBI sources that say the Mafia is still the most powerful in New York. But you ignore those while readily accepting some phantom FBI report that nobody can find.

The indictments clearly show the Mafia is still easily the strongest in New York. They are the most diversified in both illicit and legitimate activities. The feds don't even consider the Russians, Chinese, and Albanians to be in the same definitive category as the Mafia. They refer to the new groups as "criminal enterprises" while the Mafia is "organized crime." These new groups lack the organizational structure and diversity of operations that has allowed the Mafia to survive for so long.

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Unread post by CheGuevara » May 28th, 2009, 12:17 pm

thewestside wrote:First, regardless of the fact that he said "clans," Saviano was clearly talking with reference to the Rudaj organization.
of course. who was i to think saviano meant what he said. i mean, you know the mind of saviano as well. don't you?
As I've said over and over again, all this talk about the Albanians pushing aside the Mafia has stemmed from that single group. And time has shown all the talk to be just that - talk. Not even one other example of any Albanian group confronting the Mafia or cutting into it's rackets. It's the exact same thing we've seen in past decades with the blacks, the Colombians, the Chinese, and the Russians. Now it's the Albanians. It probably won't be long before another group is on the scene and being proclaimed to be challenging the Mafia. It makes for good press and so the media eats it up but it's not based on reality.
you're so stupid. it's not even funny.
Second, I'm getting tired of you referring to this mysterious FBI report. All you have is it being referenced in an article. There is no FBI report that has said the Albanians are taking over the Italians and Russians in New York. If there is, please provide it or quit citing it.
copy and past the report dickhead. i'm not lifting a finger for you. you're simply not worth that much work. you're barely worth three sentences which i why i barely give you even that.
And I should add that I've repeatedly provided direct FBI sources that say the Mafia is still the most powerful in New York. But you ignore those while readily accepting some phantom FBI report that nobody can find.
you have never provided a direct report citing the mafia is the strongest in new york. i want a 2009 article, no older then that. then this argument will be done. the only reason i think the Albanian criminals are now stronger is because of the article. if you provide an article saying the mafia is the strongest (a 2009 article) then that is all that needs to be said.
The indictments clearly show the Mafia is still easily the strongest in New York. They are the most diversified in both illicit and legitimate activities. The feds don't even consider the Russians, Chinese, and Albanians to be in the same definitive category as the Mafia. They refer to the new groups as "criminal enterprises" while the Mafia is "organized crime." These new groups lack the organizational structure and diversity of operations that has allowed the Mafia to survive for so long.
lmfaoooo, you're so sad. the indictments? the indictments show that italians are caught more then anybody. that is all the indictments show. you know very well the Albanian criminal clans are almost invulnerable to the feds due to their language, and cohesiveness to each other as well as their unwilling to testify.

you simply add your own theory to the italians numbering more arrests then others.

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Unread post by thewestside » May 28th, 2009, 3:37 pm

CheGuevara wrote:copy and past the report dickhead. i'm not lifting a finger for you. you're simply not worth that much work. you're barely worth three sentences which i why i barely give you even that.
Huh? How can I copy and paste the report when it doesn't even exist? If it does, we both know you would have been waiving it around, posting the link to it in huge, multi-color font for days or weeks now. But you haven't because it doesn't exist. So you can stop referring to it.
you have never provided a direct report citing the mafia is the strongest in new york. i want a 2009 article, no older then that. then this argument will be done. the only reason i think the Albanian criminals are now stronger is because of the article. if you provide an article saying the mafia is the strongest (a 2009 article) then that is all that needs to be said.
Your article is based on an FBI report that doesn't exist.

Here's two articles below. While the framework of both of them is about the newer emerging groups, both say that the Mafia is still the strongest. And the second one has a video with an FBI agent saying the same thing. And notice how in the first article, they have go back once again to Rudaj in order to talk about Albanians.

May 2010
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05102009/po ... 168444.htm

July 2008
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/index.html
lmfaoooo, you're so sad. the indictments? the indictments show that italians are caught more then anybody. that is all the indictments show. you know very well the Albanian criminal clans are almost invulnerable to the feds due to their language, and cohesiveness to each other as well as their unwilling to testify.

you simply add your own theory to the italians numbering more arrests then others.
How many indictments and arrests there are is a direct result of organized crime activity. Even when making allowances for the new groups being harder to crack because of language barriers, differences in organization, etc. that doesn't completely account for the huge difference in indictments between them and the five Mafia families in New York. The Mafia is indicted more often because it's a bigger priority. It's a bigger priorty because it's more stronger and more active there than these other groups. After all is said and done as far as articles and off the cuff quotes go, the real proof in the pudding is indictments.

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