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[Faciulina]

what about the mexicans?

it depends on the place in new york the italians are far stronger than mexicans in california mexicans are stronger but the italian mafia is far stronger in united states and globally than mexican cartels

[CheGuevara]

if you think italians can compare to mexican drug gangs in america, you're seriously showing your appalling ignorance.

[Faciulina]

i'm talking about organized crime moron not drug gangs i don't care of ms-13 or other stupid gangs they can survive less than 10 years loool i'm talking about permanent and well-structured organized crime syindicates and the cosa nostra is the major priority for fbi maybe you know more thing than fbi?

[CheGuevara]

the fbi has four main targets, italians, albanians, russians and chinese organized crime with italian organized crime being the most focused on.

however, if we're talking about criminals, mexican criminals are the leading group in america by FAR AND AWAY. the drug trafficking groups (and no, not the ms-13) are much bigger than any of the groups the fbi focuses on.

[Faciulina]

the fbi has four main targets, italians, albanians, russians and chinese organized crime with italian organized crime being the most focused on.

yes but the italian mafia is the major priority

however, if we're talking about criminals, mexican criminals are the leading group in america by FAR AND AWAY. the drug trafficking groups (and no, not the ms-13) are much bigger than any of the groups the fbi focuses on.

criminals what? mexicans have more criminals because they are millions and millions but especially because they are new immigrants not because they are organized the italian mafia is FAR more orgfanized entrenched and powerful than mexican cartels both in usa and globally ndrangheta alone controls more drugs than mexicans

[CheGuevara]

criminals what? mexicans have more criminals because they are millions and millions but especially because they are new immigrants not because they are organized the italian mafia is FAR more orgfanized entrenched and powerful than mexican cartels both in usa and globally ndrangheta alone controls more drugs than mexicans

if you believe. that is good for you. the mexicans control far more drugs than ndrangheta dreams of. even thewestside will tell you this.

[Faciulina]

the ndrangheta globally controls far more drugs than mexicans moron the mexican cartels abroad are present only in california they are nobody compared to ndrangheta

[CheGuevara]

the ndrangheta globally controls far more drugs than mexicans moron the mexican cartels abroad are present only in california they are nobody compared to ndrangheta

ndrangheta has 80% of european cocaine. mexican cartels have almost every illegal drug in america. the mexican cartels are actives in 187 us cities i think.

but according to you, they don't go past california.

[Faciulina]

mexican cartels are not in 187 american cities maybe mexican gangs but not the cartels and they don't control drugs in the eastern coast

[Azure9920]

mexican cartels are not in 187 american cities maybe mexican gangs but not the cartels and they don't control drugs in the eastern coast

You should go tell the DEA that, I'm sure they'd love to cancel the operations they have against the Mexicans on the East Coast.

[CheGuevara]

according to him, the rudaj organization started out in the bronx but didn't operate there. and according to him, mexicans don't control any drugs right faciulina? ndrangheta controls more drugs in america than the mexicans.

[thewestside]

it depends on the place in new york the italians are far stronger than mexicans in california mexicans are stronger but the italian mafia is far stronger in united states and globally than mexican cartels

In terms of an organized crime threat in the U.S., the Mexican cartels are now unparalleled. They control most of the drug trade in every area of the country except for the Northeast and Florida. The Mafia has been marginalized in the drug trade for 25 years now and it's presence in the U.S. is now primarily in the Northeast, parts of the Midwest, and Florida.

The Mafia in the U.S. is mainly a domestic organization. The Mexican cartels are international. A better comparison would be the Italian syndicates who also operate internationally, i.e. Sicilian Mafia, 'Ndrangheta, Camorra, and SCU.

[CheGuevara]

notice that thewestside did not care to clear faciulina's dumb posts up there about the italians and ndrangheta. rather he just made a passing note and said a better comparison would be an italian syndicate against them.

if faciulina was saying something like "russians in america are stronger then the mafia." he would take every single one of faciulina's posts on this page, copy them and respond to them all. and probably insult him as well.

[thewestside]

notice that thewestside did not care to clear faciulina's dumb posts up there about the italians and ndrangheta. rather he just made a passing note and said a better comparison would be an italian syndicate against them.

if faciulina was saying something like "russians in america are stronger then the mafia." he would take every single one of faciulina's posts on this page, copy them and respond to them all. and probably insult him as well.

Faciulina has said all sorts of things about the 'Ndrangheta. What are you talking about specifically? You mean the comparison between the Mexicans and the 'Ndrangheta?

The Mexicans control most of the drug trade in the U.S., which is the world's biggest market. The 'Ndrangheta is a primary mover of narcotics, especially cocaine, in Europe, parts of Canada, and Australia. If looking at drugs alone, the Mexicans would have a bigger stake. But the Calabrians, besides being far more international in scope, are involved in many other criminal activities as well.

[thewestside]

Lest anyone forget, it should also be pointed out that these two groups have apparently joined forces. Both 'Ndrangheta and Gulf Cartel members were involved in that huge bust a while back. The Mexicans have been looking to expand their sales into Europe because of the weak dollar in the U.S.

[CheGuevara]

But the Calabrians, besides being far more international in scope, are involved in many other criminal activities as well.

the calabrese criminals might be more international in scope but the n'drangheta can't even equal half of what the mexican cartels are.

[thewestside]

the calabrese criminals might be more international in scope but the n'drangheta can't even equal half of what the mexican cartels are.

Can't equal half of what? What is your basis for this comment?

[CheGuevara]

Can't equal half of what? What is your basis for this comment?

let me clarify. the n'drangheta does not equal even half of the mexican cartels in terms of power, wealth or anything.

[Faciulina]

let me clarify. the n'drangheta does not equal even half of the mexican cartels in terms of power, wealth or anything.

you're wrong and you know it ndrangheta is stronger than mexican cartels it controls more drugs and it's far more international mexicans are present only in united states they are nobody in europe australia and canada... the ndrangheta alone is stronger than cartels imagine the whole italian syndicates including cosa nostra and camorra loooool

[thewestside]

let me clarify. the n'drangheta does not equal even half of the mexican cartels in terms of power, wealth or anything.

Again, what is your basis for this comment?

Of course this is a rhetorical question because I know you don't have one. You don't know enough about either the Mexican Cartels or the 'Ndrangehta to even make a comparison. You simply talk out of your ass and make stupid statements. Same old Johnny.

[CheGuevara]

my basis for this comment is that the mexican cartels are active in hundreds of cities and that they control as you say "virtually all the drugs coming into the biggest drug market."

not to mention they have money laundering, legitimate property, prostitution, theft and all of that in mexico as well as in america. that is my basis. if you deny this, then your even more dillusional than i thought you were.

i find it funny that you did not correct faciulina when he just said the n'drangheta controls more drugs than the mexican cartels. i guess he doesn't piss you off because he's pro-italian. sad old person you are.

[Faciulina]

it's logic ndrangheta is stronger and more powerful and yes it controls more drugs the ndrangheta own entire cocaine lands in colombia it is everywhere included mexico itself and the whole south america it is present in all 5 continents and dozens of countries instead mexican are present only in some america cities and maybe guatemala looool only a retard can think they can compete with the ndrangheta... ndrangheta is at least 3 or 4 times stronger than mexican cartels

[thewestside]

my basis for this comment is that the mexican cartels are active in hundreds of cities and that they control as you say "virtually all the drugs coming into the biggest drug market."

not to mention they have money laundering, legitimate property, prostitution, theft and all of that in mexico as well as in america. that is my basis. if you deny this, then your even more dillusional than i thought you were.

i find it funny that you did not correct faciulina when he just said the n'drangheta controls more drugs than the mexican cartels. i guess he doesn't piss you off because he's pro-italian. sad old person you are.

I already said that if drugs are taken as a single factor, the Mexicans have a bigger stake than the 'Ndrangheta. So yes, I did disagree with Faciulina. But the Calabrians are more international in scope and have a much wider diversity of operations. Virtually every major organized crime group is involved in money laundering. The Mexican cartels have become more involved in human smuggling, and there are some groups that are involved in things like robberies, stolen goods, kidnapping for ransom, etc. But as a whole, drugs is far and away their bread and butter.

[CheGuevara]

I already said that if drugs are taken as a single factor, the Mexicans have a bigger stake than the 'Ndrangheta. So yes, I did disagree with Faciulina. But the Calabrians are more international in scope and have a much wider diversity of operations. Virtually every major organized crime group is involved in money laundering. The Mexican cartels have become more involved in human smuggling, and there are some groups that are involved in things like robberies, stolen goods, kidnapping for ransom, etc. But as a whole, drugs is far and away their bread and butter.

i never said anything about scope. scope and power are two different things complete although they do often relate when defining the power of an organization. the n'drangheta still does not stand half as strong as the mexican cartels. you copy and paste me and put the n'drangheta is the best light possibly all the while you don't copy and paste faciulina but simply give him an "i don't agree" which you don't even tell him but tell me instead. why? simply because he is exhagerrating italians and not another ethnic group.

[thewestside]

i never said anything about scope. scope and power are two different things complete although they do often relate when defining the power of an organization. the n'drangheta still does not stand half as strong as the mexican cartels. you copy and paste me and put the n'drangheta is the best light possibly all the while you don't copy and paste faciulina but simply give him an "i don't agree" which you don't even tell him but tell me instead. why? simply because he is exhagerrating italians and not another ethnic group.

When talking about how powerful an organization is, scope of operations is a major factor. You make this claim that the 'Ndrangheta is not half as strong as the Mexican cartels but you have no basis for saying this and can't even make sound arguments for it. So don't blame me for calling you on your BS.

[Faciulina]

the ndrangheta being far older because it was created at the ending of 1300s, far richer because it accumulated BILLIONS AND BILLIONS in the years and far more entrenched and present in ALL the continents, it's logically far stronger than mexican cartels that are relatively new in the organized crime scene

[CheGuevara]

When talking about how powerful an organization is, scope of operations is a major factor. You make this claim that the 'Ndrangheta is not half as strong as the Mexican cartels but you have no basis for saying this and can't even make sound arguments for it. So don't blame me for calling you on your BS.

lol, what on earth does the n'drangheta control? 80% of cocaine in europe? mexicans control 90% of cocaine in america. what else does the n'drangheta control? tell me.

tell me how the n'drangheta would come to even the half way mark of the cartels. explain how. i'll explain. they can't.

[Faciulina]

lol, what on earth does the n'drangheta control? 80% of cocaine in europe? mexicans control 90% of cocaine in america. what else does the n'drangheta control? tell me.

tell me how the n'drangheta would come to even the half way mark of the cartels. explain how. i'll explain. they can't.

ndrangheta controls the whole cocaine in europe australia and canada mmmhhhh so a market over 600 millions people mexican controls cocaine in united states only 300 millions people... so who control more drugs fucking moron?
the ndrangheta on the contrary of cartels is involved in tons of other business like gambling construction firms extortions weapons etc. and it's present in dozen of countries and in ALL 5 CONTINENTS the cartels only in mexico and some american cities there is not comparison simply there is not any comparison the ndrangheta is too strong

[thewestside]

lol, what on earth does the n'drangheta control? 80% of cocaine in europe? mexicans control 90% of cocaine in america. what else does the n'drangheta control? tell me.

tell me how the n'drangheta would come to even the half way mark of the cartels. explain how. i'll explain. they can't.

You keep making these comments when you know very little about the 'Ndrangheta so you are not really in a postion to make comparisons. Again, you go by simple assumption. And instead of actually doing any of your own research before making an ass out of yourself, you simply say stupid things and then expect others to provide you with the information you should have had before even making a comparison.

The 'Ndrangheta is one of four major syndicates that make up the Mafia in Italy. It is based in the Calabrian region in southern Italy but operates throughout Italy, Europe, and around the world including in North America, South America, Africa, and Australia. It is reported to be made up of about 160 clans with a total of 6,000 members and ten times as many associates.

With it's exceptionally strong ties to both the Colombian and Mexican cartels, the 'Ndrangheta controls an estimated 80% of the cocaine smuggled into Europe. It is also the single biggest trafficker of drugs in Australia and a major trafficker in Canada. In addition to narcotics it is involved in a host of other activities including arms trafficking, human smuggling, extortion (60% of the businesses in Calabria pay protection), loansharking, illegal gambling, counterfeiting, kidnapping, fraud, embezzlement, blackmail, labor racketeering, political corruption, infiltration of legitimate industry, money laundering, illegal toxic waste disposal, cigarette smuggling, stolen goods, etc. The 'Ndrangheta owns or controls literally hundreds of legitimate firms - construction companies, boutiques, cafes, supermarkets, nightclubs, discotheques, waste disposal companies, auto dealerships, betting parlors, real estate, shipping companies, and so on. With estimated annual profits that are in the tens of billions of dollars, the 'Ndrangheta alone makes up anywhere from 2.9% to 3.5% of Italy's GDP.

[CheGuevara]

and again i will ask you, how does this equal even half of what the mexican cartels are?

n'drangheta controls 80% of cocaine smuggled into europe?
the cartels smuggled 90% of cocaine smuggled into america, a market which is over twice the size in terms of profit.

n'drangheta has 6,000 members? REALLY!?
Mexico's two most deadly drug cartels together have fielded more than 100,000 foot soldiers - an army that rivals Mexico's armed forces.

[CheGuevara]

also take into account on how thewestside fails to copy and paste faciulina and tell him that stupid 600mn and 300mn drug market comparison he just made was stupid and ignorant because america's cocaine market is over twice as big as europe's cocaine market.

[Azure9920]

and again i will ask you, how does this equal even half of what the mexican cartels are?

n'drangheta controls 80% of cocaine smuggled into europe?
the cartels smuggled 90% of cocaine smuggled into america, a market which is over twice the size in terms of profit.

n'drangheta has 6,000 members? REALLY!?
Mexico's two most deadly drug cartels together have fielded more than 100,000 foot soldiers - an army that rivals Mexico's armed forces.

So, did you just skip the last paragraph, or what?