THE COSA NOSTRA TODAY

[Faciulina]

What do you mean not any continuity between them? The National Gang Research Center came up with estimate and they control 102 blocks, that doesn't equal to a few. There's around a dozen branches with independent names but overall their under the umbrella of Vice Lord Nation. They use to be funded by the government and during their peak years they were known as CVL Inc and owned many businesses in the neighborhoods but not anymore unfortunelately. They can be found in 28 other states and also Canada.

what i mean is that everyone can start a gang and calling it bd or vice lords or crips and all that stuff these gangs have year of fundation flags colours tattoes that's simply ridiculous in fact although they claim thousands of members they are virtually nobody except in some suburb blocks

[Elimu]

What do you mean not any continuity between them? The National Gang Research Center came up with estimate and they control 102 blocks, that doesn't equal to a few. There's around a dozen branches with independent names but overall their under the umbrella of Vice Lord Nation. They use to be funded by the government and during their peak years they were known as CVL Inc and owned many businesses in the neighborhoods but not anymore unfortunelately. They can be found in 28 other states and also Canada.

what i mean is that everyone can start a gang and calling it bd or vice lords or crips and all that stuff these gangs have year of fundation flags colours tattoes that's simply ridiculous in fact although they claim thousands of members they are virtually nobody except in some suburb blocks

True and False at the same time but you have a point. When it comes to Bloods & Crips yeah anybody can claim that. But the majority of gangs from Chicago is completely different which you might find a "little" interseting. If someone claim to be a VL , GD, etc. they must recite the literature, constitution, and codes of the gang. You can't just claim to be a member despite wearing their identifiers without knowing their literature.

[CheGuevara]

Im talking about the days when The Commission was in full stride and HAD there hands in EVERYTHING, NOBODY would of gotten "IN" the american criminal lifestyles without DOING some work/business with ITALIANS! Without them, NOBODY other than the IRISH organized CRIME. EVeryone else, took a ride on the italians backs and someone here can back me up!

the days the commission was in full swing, there were less than 1,000 albanians(people) in the united states... so... i don't think anyone here can back you up.

[youngspade]

Im talking about the days when The Commission was in full stride and HAD there hands in EVERYTHING, NOBODY would of gotten "IN" the american criminal lifestyles without DOING some work/business with ITALIANS! Without them, NOBODY other than the IRISH organized CRIME. EVeryone else, took a ride on the italians backs and someone here can back me up!

the days the commission was in full swing, there were less than 1,000 albanians(people) in the united states... so... i don't think anyone here can back you up.

Your homosexual stfu, yu act New York is Albania in the 1980s and NOW!

[thewestside]

Im talking about the days when The Commission was in full stride and HAD there hands in EVERYTHING, NOBODY would of gotten "IN" the american criminal lifestyles without DOING some work/business with ITALIANS! Without them, NOBODY other than the IRISH organized CRIME. EVeryone else, took a ride on the italians backs and someone here can back me up!

I suppose a lot depends on how you define the Commission.

From the 1930's till the early 1950's you had several of the major families that had a "permanent" seat on the Commission but it was much more national in scope as evidenced by the fact that there were leaders from all over the U.S. who met at Apalachin.

Heading into the 1960's it seems things on a national scope were more or less divided along the lines of families on the east coast and families west of Chicago. The Genovese family represented several east coast families on the Commission while the Chicago Outfit was said to represent families west of Chicago. But even by this point it was a case of the families around the nation sending emmisarries to each other rather than meeting like they did at Apalachin. The Genovese family was said to have a special position designed as a messenger for the Outfit.

By the 1980's the Commission, at least in practice, was basically the five New York families and they usually met over internal mob affairs within New York itself rather than setting policy all across the nation, though they did still carry a great deal of influence over smaller families in the east.

The last known Commission meeting in New York was around 2000. There may have been one since then but we won't know about it until new information comes forth. It's a possiblity that the New York families are now simply communicating by emissary as well.

By the 1930's the Italians had established themselves as the dominant crime group in the U.S., having supplanted the Irish and Jewish groups. By the end of the 1930's the Irish were on the way out and by the end of the 1940's the Jews were on the way out, though there remained individual Jewish gangsters that remained as partners of the Mafia.

That's when you had the two decade window of the 1950's and 1960's where the Italians didn't have any substantial competition and this was one of several reasons why they were at the peak of their power during this time.

The Mafia was easily still the dominant group in the 1970's but that's the decade things began to change and the decline started. You had blacks growing in power due to the Civil Rights movement as well as the end of the big political machines in the cities. And you had the Hispanics coming to power with marijuana and cocaine, though the latter really wouldn't become big until the 1980's. The Chinese grew in power in the 1980's and other groups like the Russians and Albanians grew in power in the 1990's.

[youngspade]

Im talking about the days when The Commission was in full stride and HAD there hands in EVERYTHING, NOBODY would of gotten "IN" the american criminal lifestyles without DOING some work/business with ITALIANS! Without them, NOBODY other than the IRISH organized CRIME. EVeryone else, took a ride on the italians backs and someone here can back me up!

I suppose a lot depends on how you define the Commission.

From the 1930's till the early 1950's you had several of the major families that had a "permanent" seat on the Commission but it was much more national in scope as evidenced by the fact that there were leaders from all over the U.S. who met at Apalachin.

Heading into the 1960's it seems things on a national scope were more or less divided along the lines of families on the east coast and families west of Chicago. The Genovese family represented several east coast families on the Commission while the Chicago Outfit was said to represent families west of Chicago. But even by this point it was a case of the families around the nation sending emmisarries to each other rather than meeting like they did at Apalachin. The Genovese family was said to have a special position designed as a messenger for the Outfit.

By the 1980's the Commission, at least in practice, was basically the five New York families and they usually met over internal mob affairs within New York itself rather than setting policy all across the nation, though they did still carry a great deal of influence over smaller families in the east.

The last known Commission meeting in New York was around 2000. There may have been one since then but we won't know about it until new information comes forth. It's a possiblity that the New York families are now simply communicating by emissary as well.

By the 1930's the Italians had established themselves as the dominant crime group in the U.S., having supplanted the Irish and Jewish groups. By the end of the 1930's the Irish were on the way out and by the end of the 1940's the Jews were on the way out, though there remained individual Jewish gangsters that remained as partners of the Mafia.

That's when you had the two decade window of the 1950's and 1960's where the Italians didn't have any substantial competition and this was one of several reasons why they were at the peak of their power during this time.

The Mafia was easily still the dominant group in the 1970's but that's the decade things began to change and the decline started. You had blacks growing in power due to the Civil Rights movement as well as the end of the big political machines in the cities. And you had the Hispanics coming to power with marijuana and cocaine, though the latter really wouldn't become big until the 1980's. The Chinese grew in power in the 1980's and other groups like the Russians and Albanians grew in power in the 1990's.

It feels good to actually know what you talkiing about!

[CheGuevara]

It feels good to actually know what you talkiing about!

before you know it, you'll be forming your own sentences just like a big boy does

[youngspade]

It feels good to actually know what you talkiing about!

before you know it, you'll be forming your own sentences just like a big boy does

Nigga shutup you dont even live in the US, the reason why your here?

Oh because you have no life!

[Faciulina]

the other groups in the states emerged because police weakened the mafia not because they took over the mafia, nobody groups is capable tooking over, even today a weakened cosa nostra is far stronger than any other groups in the states imagine at its peak
if an idiot like cheguevara says in the past there were only 1.000 albanians that's another of his fantasy since albanians started moving in the states in the 50s, he thinks albanians are today mafia's competitors looool they just work for the mafia what competitors? mexican cartels can be at least real competitors

[Elimu]

the other groups in the states emerged because police weakened the mafia not because they took over the mafia, nobody groups is capable tooking over, even today a weakened cosa nostra is far stronger than any other groups in the states imagine at its peak
if an idiot like cheguevara says in the past there were only 1.000 albanians that's another of his fantasy since albanians started moving in the states in the 50s, he thinks albanians are today mafia's competitors looool they just work for the mafia what competitors? mexican cartels can be at least real competitors

Los Zetas could push La Cosa Nostra out of the top spot.

[Faciulina]

Los Zetas could push La Cosa Nostra out of the top spot.

i'm talking about the states are there maybe los zetas in the states? there is not any los zetas in the states maybe some sporadic member

[mayugastank]

Los Zetas could push La Cosa Nostra out of the top spot.

i'm talking about the states are there maybe los zetas in the states? there is not any los zetas in the states maybe some sporadic member

NO ZETAS IN THE STATES.


It actually aint even an organization like the MAFIA was-the drug war in Mexico is being fought by multiple drug dealers. The zetas are corrupt police officials and gang bangers from BROWN SIDE LOCOS and TEXAS SYNDICATE. Their arent on the level of organization like the mafia, too many gangs just going at it with no purpose or no real leadership or structure. These guys will be gone tomorrow.

The drug war in Tijuana is totally different though, the EME holds the keys their. They are a organization modeled after the cosa nostra. The only reason they have been able to have such success is that they modeled their structure on the LCN. Soldiers, Captains.Rules. They also have a history going back to 1950. So not as historic as LCN but never the less , alot of the same structure. Give it time. Previously you posted that NO GANGS IN LA are as old as the Mafia. You are dead on wrong. The reason the EME was able to form was because the had a strangle hold on the gangs in EAST LA. The gangs in ELA are the oldest in AMERICA. MOST going back to the 1920s. HERE ARE A FEW: WHITE FENCE, DOGTOWN, CLOVER, AVENUES, SOTEL, CANTA RANA, CHINO SINNERS, MARAVILLA,GAHRETY LOMAS, all these gangs plus a dozen or so more are over 80 years old on the same streets they were on 80 years ago with the same names and same style.

[Faciulina]

Previously you posted that NO GANGS IN LA are as old as the Mafia. You are dead on wrong. The reason the EME was able to form was because the had a strangle hold on the gangs in EAST LA. The gangs in ELA are the oldest in AMERICA. MOST going back to the 1920s. HERE ARE A FEW: WHITE FENCE, DOGTOWN, CLOVER, AVENUES, SOTEL, CANTA RANA, CHINO SINNERS, MARAVILLA,GAHRETY LOMAS, all these gangs plus a dozen or so more are over 80 years old on the same streets they were on 80 years ago with the same names and same style.

there is not any street gang as old as the mafia the oldest in the states were formed in the 1960s the mafia arrived there in 1890, of course there were gangs in los angeles in the 20s but they were different ones there is not any continuity between them and today gangs

[CheGuevara]

Nigga shutup you dont even live in the US, the reason why your here?

Oh because you have no life!

so i have no life for posting on this forum? but you have a life for posting on this forum? that makes alot of sense.

if an idiot like cheguevara says in the past there were only 1.000 albanians that's another of his fantasy since albanians started moving in the states in the 50s, he thinks albanians are today mafia's competitors looool they just work for the mafia what competitors? mexican cartels can be at least real competitors

can you bring forth some source stating albanian migration in the 1950's? i happen to know for a fact that the first wave of albanian immigration was after world war one of which nearly 90% of albanians came back to albania. the second migration was in the late 70's when albanians from yugoslavian lines were allowed to travel outside the country.

another case of you being brought forth as a liar. go ahead, respond by changing the subject now.

[youngspade]

Nigga shutup you dont even live in the US, the reason why your here?

Oh because you have no life!

so i have no life for posting on this forum? but you have a life for posting on this forum? that makes alot of sense.

if an idiot like cheguevara says in the past there were only 1.000 albanians that's another of his fantasy since albanians started moving in the states in the 50s, he thinks albanians are today mafia's competitors looool they just work for the mafia what competitors? mexican cartels can be at least real competitors

can you bring forth some source stating albanian migration in the 1950's? i happen to know for a fact that the first wave of albanian immigration was after world war one of which nearly 90% of albanians came back to albania. the second migration was in the late 70's when albanians from yugoslavian lines were allowed to travel outside the country.

another case of you being brought forth as a liar. go ahead, respond by changing the subject now.

Nigga you have no life because your not on a site "MafiaDiscussion.com" so anything yall talk about is 3rd and 4th hand BS nobody really cares because MOST of everything you've talked about is ALL ANCIENT! So why keep talking about shit thats AKREADY happen DECADEs/CENTURIES ago? I came here to GIVE out knowledge as well as GET knowledge on MY LIFESTYLE "LA" not LIL albania. I do have a life because ive been here on this site for 5 years and barely making 1,000. Youve been here like 1 year at the most and you got 1,000,000 posts = NOLIFE brother!

[thewestside]

the other groups in the states emerged because police weakened the mafia not because they took over the mafia, nobody groups is capable tooking over, even today a weakened cosa nostra is far stronger than any other groups in the states imagine at its peak
if an idiot like cheguevara says in the past there were only 1.000 albanians that's another of his fantasy since albanians started moving in the states in the 50s, he thinks albanians are today mafia's competitors looool they just work for the mafia what competitors? mexican cartels can be at least real competitors

I do agree that law enforcement has had a far bigger impact on the decline of the Mafia than any of the new crime groups have.

there is not any street gang as old as the mafia the oldest in the states were formed in the 1960s the mafia arrived there in 1890, of course there were gangs in los angeles in the 20s but they were different ones there is not any continuity between them and today gangs

I have to agree with this as well. Those Mexican gangs don't go back that far. The only ones still around that could be said to go back to the early 20th century are the Italians and the Chinese.

Los Zetas could push La Cosa Nostra out of the top spot

The Mexican poly-drug trafficking networks, which are extensions of the cartels in Mexico, yes. Not Los Zetas specifically though.

[mnjmc]

Los Zetas could push La Cosa Nostra out of the top spot.

i'm talking about the states are there maybe los zetas in the states? there is not any los zetas in the states maybe some sporadic member

NO ZETAS IN THE STATES.


It actually aint even an organization like the MAFIA was-the drug war in Mexico is being fought by multiple drug dealers. The zetas are corrupt police officials and gang bangers from BROWN SIDE LOCOS and TEXAS SYNDICATE. Their arent on the level of organization like the mafia, too many gangs just going at it with no purpose or no real leadership or structure. These guys will be gone tomorrow.

The drug war in Tijuana is totally different though, the EME holds the keys their. They are a organization modeled after the cosa nostra. The only reason they have been able to have such success is that they modeled their structure on the LCN. Soldiers, Captains.Rules. They also have a history going back to 1950. So not as historic as LCN but never the less , alot of the same structure. Give it time. Previously you posted that NO GANGS IN LA are as old as the Mafia. You are dead on wrong. The reason the EME was able to form was because the had a strangle hold on the gangs in EAST LA. The gangs in ELA are the oldest in AMERICA. MOST going back to the 1920s. HERE ARE A FEW: WHITE FENCE, DOGTOWN, CLOVER, AVENUES, SOTEL, CANTA RANA, CHINO SINNERS, MARAVILLA,GAHRETY LOMAS, all these gangs plus a dozen or so more are over 80 years old on the same streets they were on 80 years ago with the same names and same style.

Where to begin. First EME do not hold any keys in Tijuana at all, like I said before any close relationship EME had with the Tijuana cartel died with Popeye Barron. Bat Martinez never held the position Popeye did with the Arellano Felix brothers, he was not the one that help save Ramon in that disco in Puerto Vallarta. When Bat was arrested in Tijuana he was in pitiful condition, tweaked out drug addict, sure he was in a place that had tons of weed but guarding a stash house in Tijuana ain't no special job. The people that hold power in TJ are el Teo and el Ingeniero and neither of them have any direct ties to EME members. None of the people that are close to them are EME members. In the last five years has there even a mention or rumor of a EME connection with the AFO.? No none.

With that being said the once mighty AFO has become a kind of an extension of the Sinaloa organization. The Arellanos once controlled all the Baja border. Now the Sinaloans took Mexicali from them, El Mayo Zambada who is part of Sinaloa cartel controls drug traffic in that border city. El Teo is being backed by the Sinaloans and at this point I would think el Ingenerio probably buys his dope from the Sinaloans because they have almost no connections outside of Baja. The Arellano family was hit hard by the government and their enemies, they can longer inspire that kind fear it did 15 years ago. With Ramon dead, which was the reason they went to war in the first place, and the rest of the brothers that were active in the organization in prison, Chapo has no real reason to war with them. El Inge is the Ramon’s and Benjamin’s nephew, and has no real connection with the original beef between el Chapo and Arellano bros.

So even if EME were in deep with the Arellanos it wouldn’t mean much at this point, the AFO‘s best days are long behind them.

Now on to the Zetas. None of the REAL Zetas were members of US gangs. There are probably no more than 60 of the Zetas, and quite a few of them are either dead or in jail. Originally they were about 20 of them back in the 90s, they were ex soldiers and cops. The myth about the Zetas is that they were all members of Mexico’s special forces, which is not true. Only about five at most were probably special forces, which in Mexico at that time were called GAFE, Arturo Guzman aka Z1 the founding member was a GAFE and so was the current leader of the Zetas Heriberto Lazcano aka Z3, Z1 was one of the first to get killed when war broke out between the Gulf and Sinaloa cartels. Most of the original 20 were ex regular soldiers and policemen.

Around the time they went from being defensive to offensive in their fight with the Sinaloa cartel, the Zetas went to Guatemala and brought some Kaibiles into the fight, Kaibiles are special forces that are known for jungle warfare. Even though Guatemala is a small poor country their Kaibiles are very well respected, they are even used in the Congo under the UN, and many countries send men from their own elite soldiers to take the Kaibil course. The Zetas got them to be a part of them. Zetas that have been captured say that they and Kaibiles set up schools around the country to train.

Most of the Zetas you hear about are not those guys, they are usually guys that were ex cops and military deserters and any low life they can find and half ass train him to shoot straight and put them to work. I’m sure Lazcano does not consider most the people called Zetas really a part of them. The core group rarely if ever do the fighting, but are capable of it. NONE of the core group of Zetas are gang members.

Also their was sort of a sort of a split between the Z’s in 2007. This was do to the fact that the Z’s were causing havoc on the territories of the one time Sinaloa cartel member Arturo Beltran. They invaded Sonora, Nuevo Leon, and Guerrero. The Z’s pretty much smashed a lot of Arturo’s people and security, so he got a faction of the Zetas to back him and work under him, offered them more money and protection. This Zeta faction is led by Miguel Trevino aka Z40, which in turn caused problems in the Sinaloa cartel and eventually Arturo separated from them, but that’s another story. Z40 and Z1 are usually portrayed as both being part of the same organization but that is false. Z40 just works under orders of Arturo and completely cut ties to Lazcano.

In theory the Lazcano could order a hit on a Mafia boss in the US, that is not in prison of course, and have a reasonable chance of success. On the other hand if a Mafia boss wanted to kill Lazcano, well that is something they could only dream of. But then again why would they? Now mind you I’m only talking about the US here. Italy I know nothing about, but I’m positive Lazcano could not get to a Mafia boss there and vice versa. The Mafia today in the US is not known to push its weight around.

I personally think that any bookie, con artist , a person running a gambling operation, or someone that’s into some sort of fraud or scam is all kinds of stupid to be involved with the Mafia. For the reason that it carries HEAVY police attention. You will get hit with RICO and your prison sentence is going to go up. I know that the mob in many cases make themselves involved but still, do they really strike that much fear out their in the East Coast. I’m just saying people should know this, get involved with the mob and FBI makes you a bigger target. That charge was only misdemeanor but because of the mob and RICO it’s now 20 years in the Federal pen. Don’t know, just makes no sense to me.

[Faciulina]

I personally think that any bookie, con artist , a person running a gambling operation, or someone that’s into some sort of fraud or scam is all kinds of stupid to be involved with the Mafia. For the reason that it carries HEAVY police attention. You will get hit with RICO and your prison sentence is going to go up. I know that the mob in many cases make themselves involved but still, do they really strike that much fear out their in the East Coast. I’m just saying people should know this, get involved with the mob and FBI makes you a bigger target. That charge was only misdemeanor but because of the mob and RICO it’s now 20 years in the Federal pen. Don’t know, just makes no sense to me.

maybe there is more sense being member of a street gang or drug cartel? look at how many members of gangs are arrested daily by police in the states and like most of them get very hard sentences often even harder than mafiosi, at least the mafia has a very long tradition unlikely street gangs

In theory the Lazcano could order a hit on a Mafia boss in the US, that is not in prison of course, and have a reasonable chance of success. On the other hand if a Mafia boss wanted to kill Lazcano, well that is something they could only dream of. But then again why would they? Now mind you I’m only talking about the US here. Italy I know nothing about, but I’m positive Lazcano could not get to a Mafia boss there and vice versa. The Mafia today in the US is not known to push its weight around.

in new york the lazcano or whoever couldn't hit any mafia boss and even if they would do they lose a war against mafia at least they could in california or other places, concerning the mafia from italy they could kill a mexican boss in the states or south america mexicans can only dream about to kill an italian mafia boss in europe or everywhere

[mnjmc]

I personally think that any bookie, con artist , a person running a gambling operation, or someone that’s into some sort of fraud or scam is all kinds of stupid to be involved with the Mafia. For the reason that it carries HEAVY police attention. You will get hit with RICO and your prison sentence is going to go up. I know that the mob in many cases make themselves involved but still, do they really strike that much fear out their in the East Coast. I’m just saying people should know this, get involved with the mob and FBI makes you a bigger target. That charge was only misdemeanor but because of the mob and RICO it’s now 20 years in the Federal pen. Don’t know, just makes no sense to me.

maybe there is more sense being member of a street gang or drug cartel? look at how many members of gangs are arrested daily by police in the states and like most of them get very hard sentences often even harder than mafiosi, at least the mafia has a very long tradition unlikely street gangs

In theory the Lazcano could order a hit on a Mafia boss in the US, that is not in prison of course, and have a reasonable chance of success. On the other hand if a Mafia boss wanted to kill Lazcano, well that is something they could only dream of. But then again why would they? Now mind you I’m only talking about the US here. Italy I know nothing about, but I’m positive Lazcano could not get to a Mafia boss there and vice versa. The Mafia today in the US is not known to push its weight around.

in new york the lazcano or whoever couldn't hit any mafia boss and even if they would do they lose a war against mafia at least they could in california or other places, concerning the mafia from italy they could kill a mexican boss in the states or south america mexicans can only dream about to kill an italian mafia boss in europe or everywhere

There aint more sense being a gang member, drug cartel member, or made mafia guy. But I wasn’t talking about people already involved in criminal organizations. No I’m talking about guys that are not part of any group, people pretty much on their own, you know crooked business men, stock brokers, and gamblers. Those are just guys that are not hardened criminals but regular guys that are too greedy for there own good. The Mafia is not going to make them more money, the mob is going the take their money. You know use them up and throw them away when they have nothing more to give and also push you to take more risk to make more money. If I was running some sort of scam and some day a mobster tries to muscle me that is the day I become a paid informant. I am sure people that run those kinds of operations don’t consider themselves tough guys or gangsters, like mob guys would.


On that Lazcano being able to kill mob boss in the US, that is purely a “what if” statement, it would never happen. But come on mafia bosses are not really hard to find. Those bosses, when they were not in prison, had a very public life, their homes and hang out spots are always public knowledge. Cameras follow those guys around. On the other hand Cartel members in Colombia and Mexico you have to go through hell to figure out where they are located at any given time. Come on it don’t even compare. Italy I know absolutely nothing about, and a Mexican cartel leader would not be the US these days. In Mexico the Italian mob would not be able to kill any cartel leader, likewise in Italy a drug cartel would not be able to kill a Mafia boss. I’m assuming the Mafia is to entrenched in Italy since that is were the come from.

[thewestside]

I personally think that any bookie, con artist , a person running a gambling operation, or someone that’s into some sort of fraud or scam is all kinds of stupid to be involved with the Mafia. For the reason that it carries HEAVY police attention. You will get hit with RICO and your prison sentence is going to go up. I know that the mob in many cases make themselves involved but still, do they really strike that much fear out their in the East Coast. I’m just saying people should know this, get involved with the mob and FBI makes you a bigger target. That charge was only misdemeanor but because of the mob and RICO it’s now 20 years in the Federal pen. Don’t know, just makes no sense to me.

There are positives and negatives to being mob affiliated. As far as how much fear they strike, it's still there within their spheres of influence. Even to this day most significant sized bookmaking operations in the U.S. are connected to the mob in some way. They are still able to enforce a street tax in certain areas.

On that Lazcano being able to kill mob boss in the US, that is purely a “what if” statement, it would never happen. But come on mafia bosses are not really hard to find. Those bosses, when they were not in prison, had a very public life, their homes and hang out spots are always public knowledge. Cameras follow those guys around. On the other hand Cartel members in Colombia and Mexico you have to go through hell to figure out where they are located at any given time. Come on it don’t even compare. Italy I know absolutely nothing about, and a Mexican cartel leader would not be the US these days. In Mexico the Italian mob would not be able to kill any cartel leader, likewise in Italy a drug cartel would not be able to kill a Mafia boss. I’m assuming the Mafia is to entrenched in Italy since that is were the come from.

All this talk about wars between OC groups is right out of fantasy land. Or a bad movie. Yes, there are often power struggles within crime groups. But when has anyone ever heard of one group fighting another? Like the Japanese fighting the Russians or the Colombians fighting the Italians? It's ridiculous.

The Mafia in Italy is on a whole other scale than what it is in the U.S. It's comparable to the cartels in either Colombia or Mexico. Italian OC leaders are worth hundreds of millions, sometimes billions, just like the cartel leaders. Another thing the Italian, Colombian, and Mexican leaders have in common is they are constantly in hiding and living on the run. They control vast organizations and immense wealth but the days of them living out in the open like Pablo Escobar are over. Sicilian Mafia boss Bernardo Provenzano was in hiding for decades. As is one of the new top bosses Matteo Messina Denaro. North Valley Cartel leader Diego Montoya Sanchez was captured hiding in the jungle. Sinaloa cartel leader Jaoquin Guzman has been in hiding ever since escaping from prison.

[Faciulina]

The Mafia is not going to make them more money, the mob is going the take their money

if you are under mafia's umbrella you sure make more money than you are independent

On that Lazcano being able to kill mob boss in the US, that is purely a “what if” statement, it would never happen. But come on mafia bosses are not really hard to find. Those bosses, when they were not in prison, had a very public life, their homes and hang out spots are always public knowledge. Cameras follow those guys around. On the other hand Cartel members in Colombia and Mexico you have to go through hell to figure out where they are located at any given time. Come on it don’t even compare. Italy I know absolutely nothing about, and a Mexican cartel leader would not be the US these days. In Mexico the Italian mob would not be able to kill any cartel leader, likewise in Italy a drug cartel would not be able to kill a Mafia boss. I’m assuming the Mafia is to entrenched in Italy since that is were the come from.

i don't know how much manpower lazcano has in the states but even if they are able to kill a boss the mafia would find them and kill them new york is not california the mafia has thousands of men there most of bosses are frequently inside social clubs for members only with 30-40 armed guys around them when lazcano has not any manpower in new york they should send a couple of killers who probably even don't know new york streets
concerning italian mafia from italy like i said mexicans can't even think to kill a mafia boss in italy or in other european countries since there are not any members of mexican cartels there, on the contrary italian mafia is far more widespread it has several cells in virtually any south american caountries probably even in mexico and it has 3.000 members in the states outside local mafia families, so it's easier the euro-italian mafia kills a mexican boss than viceversa

[Dobre]

The Mafia is not going to make them more money, the mob is going the take their money

if you are under mafia's umbrella you sure make more money than you are independent

On that Lazcano being able to kill mob boss in the US, that is purely a “what if” statement, it would never happen. But come on mafia bosses are not really hard to find. Those bosses, when they were not in prison, had a very public life, their homes and hang out spots are always public knowledge. Cameras follow those guys around. On the other hand Cartel members in Colombia and Mexico you have to go through hell to figure out where they are located at any given time. Come on it don’t even compare. Italy I know absolutely nothing about, and a Mexican cartel leader would not be the US these days. In Mexico the Italian mob would not be able to kill any cartel leader, likewise in Italy a drug cartel would not be able to kill a Mafia boss. I’m assuming the Mafia is to entrenched in Italy since that is were the come from.

i don't know how much manpower lazcano has in the states but even if they are able to kill a boss the mafia would find them and kill them new york is not california the mafia has thousands of men there most of bosses are frequently inside social clubs for members only with 30-40 armed guys around them when lazcano has not any manpower in new york they should send a couple of killers who probably even don't know new york streets
concerning italian mafia from italy like i said mexicans can't even think to kill a mafia boss in italy or in other european countries since there are not any members of mexican cartels there, on the contrary italian mafia is far more widespread it has several cells in virtually any south american caountries probably even in mexico and it has 3.000 members in the states outside local mafia families, so it's easier the euro-italian mafia kills a mexican boss than viceversa

The Serbian mob has bosses in South American countries running operations together with the cartels this way the cartels can more easily ship their cocaine worldwide, especially for Europe. The Balkans is a goddamn connected place. Skopje is a goddamn fucking zoo. There you have everything, EVERYTHING.

I hate it when people high up their asses from Skopje come to Eastern Macedonia. They behave like kings. I was at this nightclub tonight, and here come these three bitches and a bald cold blooded asshole who is a member of the US Polo Association. I'm like this fucking up their asses? Must be from New York city. I was right. The lady in the 20,000 dollar white wool mink was smoking Marlboro. They behaved like they were the only ones with any connections, wealth, power or grace. xD

[Faciulina]

The Serbian mob has bosses in South American countries running operations together with the cartels this way the cartels can more easily ship their cocaine worldwide, especially for Europe. The Balkans is a goddamn connected place. Skopje is a goddamn #%@&#%@ zoo. There you have everything, EVERYTHING

yes i know it serbian are getting stronger thanks to italian mob, they work for italian mob especially ndrangheta and camorra that virtually controls montenegro where most of shipments are organized within balkan area ndrangheta sometimes uses serbian gangs mostly formed by ex-military to ship the drug from latin america to europe

[CheGuevara]

Nigga you have no life because your not on a site "MafiaDiscussion.com" so anything yall talk about is 3rd and 4th hand BS nobody really cares because MOST of everything you've talked about is ALL ANCIENT! So why keep talking about shit thats AKREADY happen DECADEs/CENTURIES ago? I came here to GIVE out knowledge as well as GET knowledge on MY LIFESTYLE "LA" not LIL albania. I do have a life because ive been here on this site for 5 years and barely making 1,000. Youve been here like 1 year at the most and you got 1,000,000 posts = NOLIFE brother!

oh ma bad nigga, i didnt know you be repping la and shit. all i'm trying to tell you is that your claim about albanians is wrong and you should listen to me about albanian populations in the united states being as i'm albanian myself. as for my personal life, what do you know about it? i won't even get into that with a person who can barely spell.

[youngspade]

Nigga you have no life because your not on a site "MafiaDiscussion.com" so anything yall talk about is 3rd and 4th hand BS nobody really cares because MOST of everything you've talked about is ALL ANCIENT! So why keep talking about shit thats AKREADY happen DECADEs/CENTURIES ago? I came here to GIVE out knowledge as well as GET knowledge on MY LIFESTYLE "LA" not LIL albania. I do have a life because ive been here on this site for 5 years and barely making 1,000. Youve been here like 1 year at the most and you got 1,000,000 posts = NOLIFE brother!

oh ma bad nigga, i didnt know you be repping la and shit. all i'm trying to tell you is that your claim about albanians is wrong and you should listen to me about albanian populations in the united states being as i'm albanian myself. as for my personal life, what do you know about it? i won't even get into that with a person who can barely spell.

Basically I was saying Italians poineered MAFIA nobody else, Russians, Surbs Kurds or FURDS Lol

[CheGuevara]

Basically I was saying Italians poineered MAFIA nobody else, Russians, Surbs Kurds or FURDS Lol

okay great for you, and basically i was correcting you on the parts you mentioned albanians.

[mayugastank]

the other groups in the states emerged because police weakened the mafia not because they took over the mafia, nobody groups is capable tooking over, even today a weakened cosa nostra is far stronger than any other groups in the states imagine at its peak
if an idiot like cheguevara says in the past there were only 1.000 albanians that's another of his fantasy since albanians started moving in the states in the 50s, he thinks albanians are today mafia's competitors looool they just work for the mafia what competitors? mexican cartels can be at least real competitors

I do agree that law enforcement has had a far bigger impact on the decline of the Mafia than any of the new crime groups have.

there is not any street gang as old as the mafia the oldest in the states were formed in the 1960s the mafia arrived there in 1890, of course there were gangs in los angeles in the 20s but they were different ones there is not any continuity between them and today gangs

I have to agree with this as well. Those Mexican gangs don't go back that far. The only ones still around that could be said to go back to the early 20th century are the Italians and the Chinese.

Los Zetas could push La Cosa Nostra out of the top spot

The Mexican poly-drug trafficking networks, which are extensions of the cartels in Mexico, yes. Not Los Zetas specifically though.

Mexican gangs in the USA are the oldest gangs --do some research your talking about the gangs of East La arent that old ---please! Most the gangs of ELA go back to 1920......not just some or a few MOST!! Their is not one gang in EAST LA that isnt older then 1940.This isnt chicago or nyc were gangs fade away -gangs out here have history why you think we have that gang problem here unlike the rest of the states?



HERES ONE GANG EXTREMELY ACTIVE TODAY>They started in the early 1900s and are around bigger then they used to be. WESTSIDE DONT SPEAK ON WHAT YOU DONT KNOW.

Founded in the 1920s, the 38th Street gang dates back to the pachucos and zoot suits and was formed in the borderline between South Central and the City of Vernon. They received media attention in the 1940s as a result of the "Sleepy Lagoon Murder" and trial. Several members were arrested and convicted of the murder of José Díaz.[1][2] On October 4, 1943, the convictions of the gang members were overturned and the gang members were allegedly welcomed back to their communities as heroes.[2][3] Shortly after "Sleepy Lagoon", the newspapers were said to have exaggerated the headlines about the gang that wore zoot suits and created war-time hysteria and prejudice against the Mexican-American community. Many Mexican-Americans from the segregated parts of town were attacked by sailors and members of other branches of the United States military. The military personnel felt Zoot Suiters were not contributing to the war effort and were wasting valuable resources by dressing so flamboyant, innocent hispanic civilians were also attacked by the sailors without provocation. After the riots and because of international criticism the city council adopted a resolution that banned the wearing of zoot suits on Los Angeles streets. It also banned sailors from going to Los Angeles on leave.[2]38th street is often credited for starting a new style of dress; during the time the sleepy lagoon defendants were incarcerated they were given over sized clothing to be made fun off by anglo inmates and prison staff. However, instead, they maintained their clothing well cleaned and ironed, this is the dress style that gangmembers being wearing ever since.
Since the 1920s, the 38th Street gang has continued its criminal activities and has evolved to become one of California's most violent street gangs. They conduct various activities including drug sales, murder, theft and vandalism.[1] In the late 1980s and early 1990s the city closed many of its roads in the 38th street vicinity; due to high volume of people that were coming to purchase narcotics in the area. The city hoped that having blocked streets would make it impossible for people coming in from other areas to purchase narcotics. By the late 1990s a federal task force was set up in order to investigate the gang's involvement in illegal drug trade; this resulted in the arrest of several of its members, the authorities confiscated thousands of dollars in drugs and money, as reported by the Los Angeles Times and local news channels. The group has also quarreled with various rival gangs for placement and competition, which has resulted in many drive-by shootings and deaths. On August 24, 2004 a law enforcement preliminary injunction was handed out on terminating the active members of the 38th Street gang, out of the streets, banning them from using firearms, alcohol, graffiti and other dangerous materials in public.[1] 38th street being an old and large gang has accumulated countless rivalries which has labeled them as one of the most hated gangs in LA county and other cities where they have established.[citation needed

[youngspade]

Basically I was saying Italians poineered MAFIA nobody else, Russians, Surbs Kurds or FURDS Lol

okay great for you, and basically i was correcting you on the parts you mentioned albanians.

Dis fucking guy is a joke. Ok so what? albania's are under Pakistani Organize Crime, espcially LA.





Watch this idiot go crazy

[thewestside]

Mexican gangs in the USA are the oldest gangs --do some research your talking about the gangs of East La arent that old ---please! Most the gangs of ELA go back to 1920......not just some or a few MOST!! Their is not one gang in EAST LA that isnt older then 1940.This isnt chicago or nyc were gangs fade away -gangs out here have history why you think we have that gang problem here unlike the rest of the states?

The Italian gangs that would eventually become the Mafia in New York City and elsewhere stretch back to the late 1800's. The Morello gang, for instance, would later become the Genovese crime family.

[mayugastank]

Mexican gangs in the USA are the oldest gangs --do some research your talking about the gangs of East La arent that old ---please! Most the gangs of ELA go back to 1920......not just some or a few MOST!! Their is not one gang in EAST LA that isnt older then 1940.This isnt chicago or nyc were gangs fade away -gangs out here have history why you think we have that gang problem here unlike the rest of the states?

The Italian gangs that would eventually become the Mafia in New York City and elsewhere stretch back to the late 1800's. The Morello gang, for instance, would later become the Genovese crime family.

YOu cant compare a 800 year mafia history with mexican cartels who are under 50 years old. mexican gangs have been around 100 years in the states. The same gans that were around a 100 years ago are here today on the same streets so yor info is faulty -their is not a one mexican gang in ELA except for KAMS and LOTT STONERS who are under 70 years old. Their are at leats 2 dozen gangs in ELA. ALL over 70 years old. The mafia has hundreds of years of trial and error no other group has that much history-I dont think any other people on earth has that much criminal history. With that structure. Its part of their culture, just like lowriders, tattoos, graffiti and gang signs are a part of mexican los angeleno one. The YAkuza who has been said are old is in all actuality a post WW2 invention. They reemerged after almost being extinct for most of their history. I dont know any other group like the italian mafias , and most are just copys of what the italians are period

[Elimu]

The only group that's older than La Cosa Nostra have to be the Chinese Tongs. Because the LCN was active since the 1880's or 1890's but the Tongs have been active during the 1870's. That's the only group that I can think of with a longevity that exceed La Cosa Nostra.

[youngspade]

The only group that's older than La Cosa Nostra have to be the Chinese Tongs. Because the LCN was active since the 1880's or 1890's but the Tongs have been active during the 1870's. That's the only group that I can think of with a longevity that exceed La Cosa Nostra.

I stop trynna tell him shit, with his ELA this ELA that, hes worst than Gibby and Martinez combined!