anybody else in the gotti family still with the LCN ?

[FAVELA9]

or are the gottis out of it ?

[thewestside]

or are the gottis out of it ?

John Gotti - former boss, died in 2002.

Gene Gotti - former captain, due out of prison in 2018.

Peter Gotti - still the official boss, due out of prison in 2032 (will likely die inside)

Richard Gotti - former captain, still active

John "Junior" Gotti Jr - former acting boss, basically retired

Richard Gotti Jr - soldier, due out of prison in 2015

Vincent Gotti - soldier, due out of prison in 2015

[FAVELA9]

the 2 that get out in 2015 will probably have something going on by the time the guy that gets out in 2018 gets home

3 gottis could this be a bad thing or good thing ?

[mayugastank]

Their been any word on how the Gotti mafia members feel about Victoria and the growing up gotti show? Heres where I get my hyperbole as you say " Victorias husband a made guy was released from prison and skipped out to the midwest. Many mmbers follow suite and do their time without ratting but end up leaving the life for remote parts of the country wanting nothing to do with the "mafia". Their were instances in NYC where-Gambinos were tracked down and told to report or else.....although the number of "rats" is far surpassed by the number of guys who stand up ---in an organization like the mafia "flipping is a way bigger deal" as people like Sammy Gravano and other high echeleon defectors can wipe out dozens of people at a time. Consider Gravanos testimony and the long prison strecthes of some heavy hitters he put away. Not to mention his testimony against many bosses down the road like chin and others. Sammy was the first LCN Gambino to flip and he didnt cuz an immediate ripple effect but almost his entire crew eventually wound up snitching. We now have made members wearing wires for years on end. Consider that in 3 years of wearing a wire Bavaqua didnt catch a single (1) person with an immediate murder charge. Those charged with murder are being to quote Harry Aleman " convicted on their past behaviour" murders dating back decades in some cases. Either the mafias ability to hit snitches is non existant or its become so routine to have a guy flip that hitting snitches would mean killing hundreds of people. A case in point is where a Florida based Gambino crew wiped out a few potential snitches in the late 90s although this couldve easily been avoided by dealing with people who were known to the organization. They pulled in guys who had no history to them and no history to the "life". Simply because the guy had potential to earn and while the whole time the guy was looked on with suspision they continued to deal with him( napolelitano). If this were a gang or EME or NF or any other group a guy like such could NEVER EVER get close enough to ever do any damage. Their is a lack of a recruiting pool and desperation has set in where everyone is pooled in and conversations even amongst your crew are limited. It has been ongoing for along time and the read on Tommy Karate Peitera was very similar---he was given the oppurtunity to form a crew and knowingly accepted guys who were known to be soft and drug addicted. Why? from my perspective this is even then what the mafia was offering as potential soldiers.

[thewestside]

Their been any word on how the Gotti mafia members feel about Victoria and the growing up gotti show?

Not the Gottis themselves but there have certainly been other mobsters who have made their opinions known....

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/mobsters- ... -up/43209/

although the number of "rats" is far surpassed by the number of guys who stand up ---in an organization like the mafia "flipping is a way bigger deal" as people like Sammy Gravano and other high echeleon defectors can wipe out dozens of people at a time.

Depends on what you mean by "wipe out." They can certainly be instrumental in getting dozens of guys indicted and arrested. But as we've seen through plea deals that doesn't always equate to them all doing long prison stretches.

We now have made members wearing wires for years on end. Consider that in 3 years of wearing a wire Bavaqua didnt catch a single (1) person with an immediate murder charge. Those charged with murder are being to quote Harry Aleman " convicted on their past behaviour" murders dating back decades in some cases. Either the mafias ability to hit snitches is non existant or its become so routine to have a guy flip that hitting snitches would mean killing hundreds of people.

I've already explained this. The mob will still kill if it suspects somebody is a rat but there is little point in going after rats after the damage has already been done. It would just bring down more heat.

If this were a gang or EME or NF or any other group a guy like such could NEVER EVER get close enough to ever do any damage. Their is a lack of a recruiting pool and desperation has set in where everyone is pooled in and conversations even amongst your crew are limited. It has been ongoing for along time and the read on Tommy Karate Peitera was very similar---he was given the oppurtunity to form a crew and knowingly accepted guys who were known to be soft and drug addicted. Why? from my perspective this is even then what the mafia was offering as potential soldiers.

I have to say, I find it amusing that you keep bringing up a prison gang like La Eme as your example of organization, secrecy, discipline, etc.