sinaloa drug cartel vs lcn

[FAVELA9]

who do you think would win in a war ?

[thewestside]

who do you think would win in a war ?

The feds.

[RDRIGN]

Won't happen but the Sinaloa Cartel is much more stronger and have greater influence than the La Cosa Nostra in the western hemisphere and internationally, a more fair opponent will be the Sicilian Mafia.

[thewestside]

Won't happen but the Sinaloa Cartel is much more stronger and have greater influence than the La Cosa Nostra in the western hemisphere and internationally, a more fair opponent will be the Sicilian Mafia.

A better comparison would be the Italian OC groups like the Sicilian Mafia or Calabrian 'Ndrangheta. "Opponent" isn't the word because these groups would never fight. In fact, they work together.

[mayugastank]

Sinaloa cartel would get wiped the hell out.LCN has been doing it too long and are 2 good at the doublecross-they also have an ability to blend in and even admitting membership is death sentence. Mexico is crazy right now and so was Columbia and so was Iraq and Afghanistan and Serbia and all the others whove faded like dust. NYC mafia is a non comparision as they lack the strength of Mexico cartels simply due to a shortage of manpower not for anything else.....remember Mexico is right on the US border and Italians havent immigrated to the USA since the early 1900s.

Theirs really not a group on earth criminal wise that can hold a flame to the LCN -no one has come as close to the world of politics/crime and mixed them so flawlessly. Believe that this organization is almost 200 years old and the world didnt get their first look at them in the USA till Valachi in 1960s then till Gravano and Fratiano in the early 1980s...........200 years without an informer per se.

In Italy the birthplace with a history of Secret organizations going back close to 800 years ----the first informer was in the mid 1980s, Theirs not another organization on earth that can say anything similar to that.

Its why LCN has dominated.....tacos/cerveza and marachi are Mexican culture and up until the late 1990s , Organized crime was nothing similar in scale or comparision to the LCN---how can an organization like Sinaloa cartel even come close to what it took LCN hundreds of years to complete......

As much as Mexicans have Sombreros/enchiladas/tacos/ and corona and banda as their culture ....Italians have mafias/clans/secret symbols/societies and all the rest.....remember the Vatican and Knights templars and many likewise secret societies all got their start in Italy.

[mayugastank]

Won't happen but the Sinaloa Cartel is much more stronger and have greater influence than the La Cosa Nostra in the western hemisphere and internationally, a more fair opponent will be the Sicilian Mafia.

The sicialian mafia is the LCN...except that they are in different regions. Another thing Mexicos organized crime groups are under 25 years old.....wheres the comparision of 200+ years of history the LCN has? The question is ridicolous.....no organization has even teh slightest chance to even come close to duplicating what LCN and the other Southern Italian OC crime groups have done. When Capone was battling the entire US law enforcement and when even recently Chicago crime bosses where buying cops and judges...the world called the LCN "mafia" as the name had never even been publicly spoken in 200 years? Tell me that aint a bitch? Its hard to wrap your head around it......but its like everyone else is in kindergarten while LCN is in their doctorial college. Its part of the people and its part of the land and they should at very minium be acknowledged for creating OC in the first place. Even that common mexican word of Mafia that has been sung around is actually an italian word for "manhood"

[FAVELA9]

mexican drug cartels vs italian mafia

the drug cartels got way more money way more weapons plus the trained milatary type comandos , the fat guidos would run out breath just pulling the trigger on there 38 pistols , mexican drug cartels have flipped a whole countrys political system and have deep ties with the vatican now ? what the mafia did is small compared to what the mafia has done in a shorter period of time and there informants dont move to arizona the move to the depths of hell in bundles like 10 - 15 - 20 at a time

[mayugastank]

Favela-

Really kind of like the Coloumbians of the 1990s? or the afghanistan poppy herion traders of the 1980s? Mexicos organized crime groups are NEW. They been around under 15 years in most cases. Mexico is joined at the hip with the military.......therefore are they even an organized crime group or simply corrupt soldiers? Because if that is the case then we should look to Italys army to battle Mexicos army instead of Mexicos paramiliarty army like groups to battle the mafia. Their is no comparision.

Mexicans involved in OC have actively shown themselves to be part and parcel govermnet and criminal.........not one and the other but both at the same time. For instance a group of renegade army soldiers/deserters like the ZETAS, you consider them criminal organizations? I mean they took an oath would hunt down drug dealers before becoming drug dealers themselves....they changed up because it was beneficial and the money was good. These arent gangsters these are corrupt soldiers/cops/politicians its why Mexico and most other 3rd world countries are in the whole they are in.......corruption.


Italian crime syndicate started in direct defense against the state...not with the state. Their oaths although violated recently withstood 200 plus years without anyone ever even acknowledging they existed. Mexico is a small fry and will go the way of the overhyped----Afghanistan Herion traders/ Russian cybercriminals ( note their no no Russian Mafia) Colombian FARC guerrillas-PLO who were the biggest gun runners of the world and the IRA who trained teh most fighters by engaging in organized crime.

The only difference in Mexico is that that tehy have a gangster culture ---started I might add by emulating the Italian Model of Mafia...........LA EME took the model and so did most other Mexican Crime Syndicates from the ideas of the Mafia from Italians........not the other way around. The mafia is still today alot more disciplined-organized and capable then any other group on Earth.

Your comparisions suck ass-------you compare a mafia with a corrupt goverment --------well then the biggest drug and counterfeit producer would be North Korea. The North Korean Army Mafia. What a joke.

[Faciulina]

what do you mean a war? where? the only country where they are both present is the states and in the states the italian mafia is stronger than cartels and it would win for sure

[RDRIGN]

Favela-

Really kind of like the Coloumbians of the 1990s? or the afghanistan poppy herion traders of the 1980s? Mexicos organized crime groups are NEW. They been around under 15 years in most cases. Mexico is joined at the hip with the military.......therefore are they even an organized crime group or simply corrupt soldiers? Because if that is the case then we should look to Italys army to battle Mexicos army instead of Mexicos paramiliarty army like groups to battle the mafia. Their is no comparision.

Mexicans involved in OC have actively shown themselves to be part and parcel govermnet and criminal.........not one and the other but both at the same time. For instance a group of renegade army soldiers/deserters like the ZETAS, you consider them criminal organizations? I mean they took an oath would hunt down drug dealers before becoming drug dealers themselves....they changed up because it was beneficial and the money was good. These arent gangsters these are corrupt soldiers/cops/politicians its why Mexico and most other 3rd world countries are in the whole they are in.......corruption.


Italian crime syndicate started in direct defense against the state...not with the state. Their oaths although violated recently withstood 200 plus years without anyone ever even acknowledging they existed. Mexico is a small fry and will go the way of the overhyped----Afghanistan Herion traders/ Russian cybercriminals ( note their no no Russian Mafia) Colombian FARC guerrillas-PLO who were the biggest gun runners of the world and the IRA who trained teh most fighters by engaging in organized crime.

The only difference in Mexico is that that tehy have a gangster culture ---started I might add by emulating the Italian Model of Mafia...........LA EME took the model and so did most other Mexican Crime Syndicates from the ideas of the Mafia from Italians........not the other way around. The mafia is still today alot more disciplined-organized and capable then any other group on Earth.

Your comparisions suck ass-------you compare a mafia with a corrupt goverment --------well then the biggest drug and counterfeit producer would be North Korea. The North Korean Army Mafia. What a joke.

Sinaloa Cartel and Gulf Cartel(the early group that has become the Gulf Cartel started smuggling alcohol in the mid 1920s) are almost hitting 40 years now, the Arellanos/CAF/Tijuana and Juarez aren't too far either. Mexico doesn't have a "gangster" culture like the Mexican-Americans are trying to emulate black "gangsterism" culture in the U.S, the Mexicans and some Central Americans involved in the Mexican underworld don't brand themselves as gangsters or anything like that. People in Mexico join the underworld because the Mexican government has failed them to provide jobs or opportunities for education, people don't join to become "gangsters". The closest thing Mexico has to "gangster" culture are the punk kids that call themselves "Colombianos", which are kids like that like Colombian music and dance but there is nothing "gangster" about it.

[jeff]

keep in mind though that mexico has had the cowboy and outlaw culture dating back to the 19th century. some of that culture is still reflected today in the drug cartels. especially the way they operate in the border towns near texas. the idea of the trigger-happy gunslingers, etc harkens back to those days.

[RDRIGN]

keep in mind though that mexico has had the cowboy and outlaw culture dating back to the 19th century. some of that culture is still reflected today in the drug cartels. especially the way they operate in the border towns near texas. the idea of the trigger-happy gunslingers, etc harkens back to those days.

Well you are right the drug cartels culture is more of a cowboy/outlaw early 19th century bandido culture than anything, I guess that's the "gangster" culture in Mexico.

[RDRIGN]

keep in mind though that mexico has had the cowboy and outlaw culture dating back to the 19th century. some of that culture is still reflected today in the drug cartels. especially the way they operate in the border towns near texas. the idea of the trigger-happy gunslingers, etc harkens back to those days.

Well you are right the drug cartels culture is more of a cowboy/outlaw early 19th century bandido culture than anything, I guess that's the "gangster" culture in Mexico.

[FAVELA9]

mexican drug cartels been around 15 years LOL i guess if you dont know then you dont know ! mafia probably did start with protecting and defending the people but in the they also turned around and f'd them in azz with no vaseline so whats the diffrence , yeah theres rusians irish men koreans etc etc but the mexican cartels run the drug market period. if its not for them no one gets work.the italions did get the job done before but now in days its a kill here and maybe a kill there ? they havent been savage in a long time , mexican drug cartels bosses go to jail or die and another one steps up and is just as vicious as the last.

also mexican americans arent trying to emulate black gangsterism ? before there bloods and crips before there was black panthers or any black groups mexican americans already had gangs and dress code ( swag ) its the other way around blacks picked up game from there latino counterparts , todays style is a mixture of brown & black on the streets and prison.

as for mexican cowboy culture its not only there its in all the southern states of the united states you aint never been to new mexico arizona texas etc etc and who isnt trigger happy in this whole wide world , look whats going on in africa over some diamonds.

[thewestside]

mexican drug cartels been around 15 years LOL i guess if you dont know then you dont know ! mafia probably did start with protecting and defending the people but in the they also turned around and f'd them in azz with no vaseline so whats the diffrence , yeah theres rusians irish men koreans etc etc but the mexican cartels run the drug market period. if its not for them no one gets work.the italions did get the job done before but now in days its a kill here and maybe a kill there ? they havent been savage in a long time , mexican drug cartels bosses go to jail or die and another one steps up and is just as vicious as the last.

also mexican americans arent trying to emulate black gangsterism ? before there bloods and crips before there was black panthers or any black groups mexican americans already had gangs and dress code ( swag ) its the other way around blacks picked up game from there latino counterparts , todays style is a mixture of brown & black on the streets and prison.

as for mexican cowboy culture its not only there its in all the southern states of the united states you aint never been to new mexico arizona texas etc etc and who isnt trigger happy in this whole wide world , look whats going on in africa over some diamonds.

The Mexican cartels are following the same pattern the Colombians did in the 1980's and 1990's. Of course, killing in even bigger numbers in Mexico but the situation is basically the same. The level of violence in Mexico isn't sustainable. Eventually, the cartels will have to adapt, reign in the violence, and become more low key in order to survive.

[mayugastank]

Favela'
italions did get the job done before but now in days its a kill here and maybe a kill there ? they havent been savage in a long time , mexican drug cartels bosses go to jail or die and another one steps up and is just as vicious as the last.

In the United States maybe but their birthplace Italy sees some hundreds of murders a year due to the mafia and some hundred others worldwide. You got to understand that their are 30 million Mexican American descendants in the USA and Mexico is right next door to the USA whereas Italy is an Ocean away and Italian immigration into the USA is virtually non existant. The American LCN suffer from a lack of recruits...otherwise who knows whod theyd be. Mafia boses go to jail and die and get replaced for the last 200 plus years........the phenomenon in Mexico is NEW. Columbia went thru the same thing. El Salvador went thru it with the explosion of Mexican American gang like structures appeared there. Mexicos is in a terrible situation ---but its a disorganized situation with mass murder for murders sake and limitless amounts of recruits and endless amount of gangs viaing for power. In 10 years it might be full blown mafia or it might be like Colombia who knows? When I said Mexico had a gangster culture I refered to the amount of members of priosn gangs and or prison gangs that are engaged in the war their ...........like the Texas Syndicate and TCB and AZTECAS and other gangs that have copied and modeled the Italian American crime structure...dont forget that ALL those cliques got their Ideas from the LCN. They even developed the pyramid structure of the LCN. So essentially we can say that without the strong influence of LCN on Mexican American gangs alot of whats happened in Mexico wouldnt have happened at all. Why did they copy? The models of secrecy/initiation/gang structure/in some cases symbols? Because of LCNs history, their proven track record.

[mayugastank]

what do you mean a war? where? the only country where they are both present is the states and in the states the italian mafia is stronger than cartels and it would win for sure

hahaha.............Italians today are stronger then Mexican OC today in the USA? hahaha............in the 1980s possible but thats 20 years ago. Theres been 30,000 cartel related murders in the last 5 years. The mafia in America I believe killed maybe 3 people in the last few years? Mexicans have made billions of dollars on a yearly basis for years on end, have endless supplies of recruits and , Mexico right behind them to call in reenforcements--------not to mention that Mexico is a safe haven for criminals thieves who live openly after bribing their local police for $25 bucks.

[RDRIGN]

Favela'
italions did get the job done before but now in days its a kill here and maybe a kill there ? they havent been savage in a long time , mexican drug cartels bosses go to jail or die and another one steps up and is just as vicious as the last.

In the United States maybe but their birthplace Italy sees some hundreds of murders a year due to the mafia and some hundred others worldwide. You got to understand that their are 30 million Mexican American descendants in the USA and Mexico is right next door to the USA whereas Italy is an Ocean away and Italian immigration into the USA is virtually non existant. The American LCN suffer from a lack of recruits...otherwise who knows whod theyd be. Mafia boses go to jail and die and get replaced for the last 200 plus years........the phenomenon in Mexico is NEW. Columbia went thru the same thing. El Salvador went thru it with the explosion of Mexican American gang like structures appeared there. Mexicos is in a terrible situation ---but its a disorganized situation with mass murder for murders sake and limitless amounts of recruits and endless amount of gangs viaing for power. In 10 years it might be full blown mafia or it might be like Colombia who knows? When I said Mexico had a gangster culture I refered to the amount of members of priosn gangs and or prison gangs that are engaged in the war their ...........like the Texas Syndicate and TCB and AZTECAS and other gangs that have copied and modeled the Italian American crime structure...dont forget that ALL those cliques got their Ideas from the LCN. They even developed the pyramid structure of the LCN. So essentially we can say that without the strong influence of LCN on Mexican American gangs alot of whats happened in Mexico wouldnt have happened at all. Why did they copy? The models of secrecy/initiation/gang structure/in some cases symbols? Because of LCNs history, their proven track record.

Mexican American gangs have nothing to do with what's happening in Mexico hell Central American gangs/normal people that Mexican Cartels recruit as disposable gunmen have more impact than Mexican American gangs but still a large part of the gunmen are from still from Mexico. Not all Mexican Cartels are structured the same pyramid style, some are horizontal and what not, also not all cartel members operate in the outside they also operate heavily inside the prisons were commadantes and their close affiliates are known for using prison/jails to sleep at night for protection and go out into the population at day. As much as cartels use their civilian gunmen/people they also use municipal/state/traffic/federal police of all level and in some cases places like Tamulipas and Sinaloa the Mexican military of all levels. Like I keep telling you Mexican American gangs have nothing to do with what's happening in Mexico and Central America, like I keep telling Americans most of the 34,600 dead are targeted victims which include rivals,police,judges,military and in rare cases innocent civilians. Petty criminals in Mexico have no say and the in some places they are tortured by the police or cartel members that the police give to depending on what they did etc. Gangs in Mexico have no power at all and if they want some type of "power" they usually would have to either sell drugs locally for the cartels or be a "halcon"/informant and if you're tough enough maybe even a gunmen.

[FAVELA9]

mexican mafia structured thereselves like lcn in the begining and thats it . mexican american gangs dont give a shiznit about the lcn and your so called pyrimid and even though they with intertwind the eme they operate loosley , even the mexican american gangs would probably smash the lcn in a all out war , fist fights no comptetion fat man has a heart attack 45 seconds into fight , gun fight the mexican americans have to many soldiers lcn would have to resort to initiating the jersey shore fist pumpers in reality it would be no match , jail ( explosion goes off ) forgetaboutit lcn would all be in pc , even the late j.gotti got hit by a regular black inmate.

[mnjmc]

The only difference in Mexico is that that tehy have a gangster culture ---started I might add by emulating the Italian Model of Mafia...........LA EME took the model and so did most other Mexican Crime Syndicates from the ideas of the Mafia from Italians........

Who ever argues with this retard needs to know that all his BS goes back to EME. He some how wants to make a small time prison gang relevant. First this retard tried to say that this group of heroin junkies, EME members, are in control of the Mexican drug cartels. I made him look like a big retarded retard when he argued this stupid belief he had of EME controlling anything big with me. So he went from EME is doing big things to they aint shit and it takes one indictment to smack them back to the level they will never out grow out of, a prison gang.

If you read enough of me trying to correct this big retard weak arguments, you would get that this whole thing is about EME still being bottom feeders. I guess he didn't want to look like a gigantic fool, even though it's already too late for that, for exaggerating EME's very limited power. So now he want's to make up for that by saying that Mexican cartels are learning something from some heroin junkies locked away in cells for life.

Ok retarded since I read up on EME a little bit let me tell you that EME is absolutely not modeled after the Italians. EME was set up to have no leaders, the Italians were set up to have a boss, EME wasn't. You see even in the thing you claim to know about the most, EME, you don't know shit about.

LA EME THE AMERICAN LCN are completely differtent. LCN has a regid pyramid stucture and all EME members are supposed to be equal. Two very different things.

So far nothing that you have said has been right.

[Faciulina]

hahaha.............Italians today are stronger then Mexican OC today in the USA? hahaha............in the 1980s possible but thats 20 years ago. Theres been 30,000 cartel related murders in the last 5 years. The mafia in America I believe killed maybe 3 people in the last few years? Mexicans have made billions of dollars on a yearly basis for years on end, have endless supplies of recruits and , Mexico right behind them to call in reenforcements--------not to mention that Mexico is a safe haven for criminals thieves who live openly after bribing their local police for $25 bucks

yeah italian mafia is stronger than mexicans in the states and north america as a whole (included canada) even today fbi said it minister of justice said it and several reports say the mafia is still the strongest organization there
30.000 murders are done in mexico not the states, i was talking about the states not the cartels in mexico
if you want compare the cartels as a whole you should compare them with italian mafia as a whole included italy and europe and italian mafia is far richer and powerful it made 200 billions for year at least

[Faciulina]

mexican mafia structured thereselves like lcn in the begining and thats it . mexican american gangs dont give a shiznit about the lcn and your so called pyrimid and even though they with intertwind the eme they operate loosley , even the mexican american gangs would probably smash the lcn in a all out war , fist fights no comptetion fat man has a heart attack 45 seconds into fight , gun fight the mexican americans have to many soldiers lcn would have to resort to initiating the jersey shore fist pumpers in reality it would be no match , jail ( explosion goes off ) forgetaboutit lcn would all be in pc , even the late j.gotti got hit by a regular black inmate.

mexican american gangs are not an unique organization they are loosely organized and not connected each other, in a war the mafia would win since it's a monolith and well structured organization and far more entrenched than gangs... it's like hitler's army who fight against disorganized armies it litterally would destroy it

[RDRIGN]

hahaha.............Italians today are stronger then Mexican OC today in the USA? hahaha............in the 1980s possible but thats 20 years ago. Theres been 30,000 cartel related murders in the last 5 years. The mafia in America I believe killed maybe 3 people in the last few years? Mexicans have made billions of dollars on a yearly basis for years on end, have endless supplies of recruits and , Mexico right behind them to call in reenforcements--------not to mention that Mexico is a safe haven for criminals thieves who live openly after bribing their local police for $25 bucks

yeah italian mafia is stronger than mexicans in the states and north america as a whole (included canada) even today fbi said it minister of justice said it and several reports say the mafia is still the strongest organization there
30.000 murders are done in mexico not the states, i was talking about the states not the cartels in mexico
if you want compare the cartels as a whole you should compare them with italian mafia as a whole included italy and europe and italian mafia is far richer and powerful it made 200 billions for year at least

The American Italian families are separate organizations not 1 big organization, the most powerful criminal organizations in the western hemisphere are the Mexican Cartels and Colombian cartels coming second like the Cartel Valle del Norte but Colombia doesn't have big cartels like Mexico has well maybe except Cartel Valle del Norte. We're talking about who is stronger the Italian American criminal organizations or the Sinaloa Cartel and clearly the Sinaloa Cartel is far more powerful than the 5 families and the Outfit put together. Hell even gangs like Gangster Disciples could rival and maybe even surpass the Outfit, I don't think the Outfit would want to fight a gang that has heat behind them and even if they did managed to fight the Outfit, I would put my money on Gangster Disciples any day.

[RDRIGN]

The only difference in Mexico is that that tehy have a gangster culture ---started I might add by emulating the Italian Model of Mafia...........LA EME took the model and so did most other Mexican Crime Syndicates from the ideas of the Mafia from Italians........

Who ever argues with this retard needs to know that all his BS goes back to EME. He some how wants to make a small time prison gang relevant. First this retard tried to say that this group of heroin junkies, EME members, are in control of the Mexican drug cartels. I made him look like a big retarded retard when he argued this stupid belief he had of EME controlling anything big with me. So he went from EME is doing big things to they aint shit and it takes one indictment to smack them back to the level they will never out grow out of, a prison gang.

If you read enough of me trying to correct this big retard weak arguments, you would get that this whole thing is about EME still being bottom feeders. I guess he didn't want to look like a gigantic fool, even though it's already too late for that, for exaggerating EME's very limited power. So now he want's to make up for that by saying that Mexican cartels are learning something from some heroin junkies locked away in cells for life.

Ok retarded since I read up on EME a little bit let me tell you that EME is absolutely not modeled after the Italians. EME was set up to have no leaders, the Italians were set up to have a boss, EME wasn't. You see even in the thing you claim to know about the most, EME, you don't know shit about.

LA EME THE AMERICAN LCN are completely differtent. LCN has a regid pyramid stucture and all EME members are supposed to be equal. Two very different things.

So far nothing that you have said has been right.

I disagree with you about the EME being just a bunch of hooked up addicts behind bars, the EME organization is pretty powerful and does wield influence in California streets by extorting gangs or selling their drugs and take a cut from it, they do have a hiearchy well at least to my understanding. People now a days are misunderstanding what really means power, you don't have to make billions to have power but they can come in hand sometimes depending on the circumstances, prison gangs and street gangs today(well at least in the U.S) can rank up 10s of millions a year, they are also very dangerous and some pretty powerful(which people keep forgetting).

[mnjmc]

I disagree with you about the EME being just a bunch of hooked up addicts behind bars, the EME organization is pretty powerful and does wield influence in California streets by extorting gangs or selling their drugs and take a cut from it, they do have a hiearchy well at least to my understanding.

No EME does not have a hiearchy. There's no such titles as boss or capo in EME, or for that matter general and lieutenant, I think Nuestra Familia uses military titles in their organization. They are all supposed to be equal in theory. That's why they have the rule about members not politicking against one another. Now they unofficially have people with more pull and who have more control, but that it's not how it was set up. Like Joe Morgan, he wasn't a boss that title doesn't exist in EME, he had more control over what was going on with EME because he was one of the oldest when he was alive but non of the EME members have official titles.

And yeah they have some power when you compare them to other streetgangs, but compare them to the Sinaloa Cartel and they have verry little.

The point is that the Italian OC groups have recognized titles and ranks, EME does not. So that means they are not modeled after the Italians at all.

[RDRIGN]

I disagree with you about the EME being just a bunch of hooked up addicts behind bars, the EME organization is pretty powerful and does wield influence in California streets by extorting gangs or selling their drugs and take a cut from it, they do have a hiearchy well at least to my understanding.

No EME does not have a hiearchy. There's no such titles as boss or capo in EME, or for that matter general and lieutenant, I think Nuestra Familia uses military titles in their organization. They are all supposed to be equal in theory. That's why they have the rule about members not politicking against one another. Now they unofficially have people with more pull and who have more control, but that it's not how it was set up. Like Joe Morgan, he wasn't a boss that title doesn't exist in EME, he had more control over what was going on with EME because he was one of the oldest when he was alive but non of the EME members have official titles.

And yeah they have some power when you compare them to other streetgangs, but compare them to the Sinaloa Cartel and they have verry little.

The point is that the Italian OC groups have recognized titles and ranks, EME does not. So that means they are not modeled after the Italians at all.

Well EME does does not have an official boss titles in paper but that doesn't mean they do not, they don't admit to anything but to my understanding some of them do seem to have a higher ranking status like you mentioned but equal rights. Of course La EME has very little power compared to Sinaloa Cartel but in the U.S compared to gangs and other organized crime groups they aren't weak far from it. The thing that people don't understand is power comes in different ways in the underworld not just who makes more money, people tend to underestimate street gangs these days.

[thewestside]

THE $60,000 QUESTION.....

WHY DOES EVERYTHING ON THIS BOARD SOONER OR LATER COME DOWN TO A DICK MEASURING CONTEST BETWEEN GROUP A AND GROUP B? AND IT'S USUALLY BASED ON WHAT NEVER HAPPENS - GROUP A AND GROUP B GOING TO WAR.

RIVAL FACTIONS WITHIN GROUP A WILL FIGHT EACH OTHER. OR RIVAL FACTIONS WITHIN GROUP B. BUT A VS. B? ALMOST NEVER.

[FAVELA9]

chapo guzman boss of the sinaloa cartel was in forbes as one of the richest and most influential man on the planet , yet to guiseppe linguinee be mentoned

[mnjmc]

Well EME does does not have an official boss titles in paper but that doesn't mean they do not

No that's exactly what it means. They don't have a hiearchy, just guys with more pull than others. They are not in any way close to the structure the American Mafia has.

[thewestside]

chapo guzman boss of the sinaloa cartel was in forbes as one of the richest and most influential man on the planet , yet to guiseppe linguinee be mentoned

Whether we're talking about a cartel drug lord or a Mafia boss, you have to take estimates of their personal wealth with a big bucket of salt. Obviously none of them file tax returns on their real income.

Drug lords like Pablo Escobar of the Medellin Cartel, Jose Santacruz Londono of the Cali cartel, Amado Carrillo Fuentes of the Juarez Cartel, and Jaoquin Guzman of the Sinaloa cartel were or are billionaires. But most likely closer to the more conservative estimates of $1-2 billion in total cash and assets. Not these outlandishly inflated figures - like $25 billion - one reads about.

In terms of personal wealth, Sicilian Mafia bosses like Salvatore Riina or Bernardo Provenzano would be more comparable. But there has never been an American Mafia members that had anywhere near that kind of money. A few have supposedly gotten around $100 million or so but that's still a long way off from being in the billions.

[Faciulina]

chapo guzman boss of the sinaloa cartel was in forbes as one of the richest and most influential man on the planet , yet to guiseppe linguinee be mentoned

in italy there are 20 boss at least richer than chapo guzman, matteo messina denaro alone has personal assets worth to 20-50 billions
in the states i don't know if there are billionaire boss today, maybe some gambino's or genovese's

The American Italian families are separate organizations not 1 big organization, the most powerful criminal organizations in the western hemisphere are the Mexican Cartels and Colombian cartels coming second like the Cartel Valle del Norte but Colombia doesn't have big cartels like Mexico has well maybe except Cartel Valle del Norte. We're talking about who is stronger the Italian American criminal organizations or the Sinaloa Cartel and clearly the Sinaloa Cartel is far more powerful than the 5 families and the Outfit put together. Hell even gangs like Gangster Disciples could rival and maybe even surpass the Outfit, I don't think the Outfit would want to fight a gang that has heat behind them and even if they did managed to fight the Outfit, I would put my money on Gangster Disciples any day.

ahahaha italian mafia is a monolith both in europe and north america, everyone knows it the cartels are far more disorganized and sure they are not a 1 big organization... italian mafia as a whole is far stronger richer and widespread than mexican cartels, honestly italian mafia is everywhere (europe, north and south america, australia, africa, asia) the cartels are present only in a few places outside mexico, in europe they don't exist at all, italian mafia is involved in tons of diversied business mexicans are involved only in drugs and even in drugs the italian mafia is bigger since it controls most of europe australia and part of north america
yeah the gangsters disciples surpass the outfit and you are a mental patient, i'm guessing? there is not any street gangs in the states even close to an even smaller lcn famiy like the decavalcante's, the outfit would win in a war against every stupid and disorganized gangs in chicago

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IF .........Italy was next door to the USA -The mafia would be the most powerful organization. But outside of the East Coast they are NON EXISTANT. You could spend your entire life in the states outside of the East coast and NEVER run into an italian!!! of any make or model* The LCN in NYC is not comparable to the least powerful organization in Mexico. The Most powerful organization in Mexico wouldnt reach the level of sophistication of any of the Italians Mafias. Italians have had their wars and fought their battles and went through much BS that made the organizations what they are. Mexicans are just starting out. Where is the comaparision? The 30,000 people killed in the cartel war is not replicated anywhere on earth as in a gang war. Not columbia-Italy-Russia nowhere have so many been killed in such a short time frame....so that tells me?

1.That theyre are hundreds if not thousands of people involved
2.That theyre are surely organizations doing battle


Who knows what happens in Mexicos drug war because its still ongoing---but their are many streetgangs and prison gangs actively involved and taking sides, many have modeled themselves after the Italians-with initiation procedures/rules of conduct/pyramid structures/and blood in blood out-life memberships. Most of those ideas came from Italians despite what mnjmc says! I mean the symbol of the EME is the black hand ---an Italian Organization in the early 19th century.