Jehovah's Witnesses

[Kemosave]

ratt: it seems as though you are trying to down play the satanic crimes of christendom as if that were possible by attacking GOD'S witnesses. i respect the witnesses because although they were wrong about certain predictions, just like the first century christians were, they were humble enough to adapt to new truths as world events unfolded. and the light gets brighter and brighter as jehovah's day draws near.

Kemo: I am stating the facts ratt and showing that the theology you espouse is the cult of Jehovah Witness theology which is false. I am not trying in any way to hurt you and I understand it is difficult to face the truth that you are defending a false cultic belief system that is in error.
Now, you are not off the hook in any way with your ad hominem attack on me (because you cannot defend what cannot be defended which is the lie of JW when confronted with a true and real scholarly defense) so I ask you to please itemize a list of evidences regarding your false assertion of “the satanic crimes of Christendom” so that we can point-by-point qualify it in the light of truth, history, and scholarly Biblical revelation. I’ll ask you to place that in a different thread though as this thread is about the JW.

They were very wrong about many predictions (i.e. false witnesses) just as their theology is false. Please qualify exactly what you mean by your assertion regarding first century Christians so that it may be qualified. Again this appears to be like so many of your other false assertions, a twisted presentation of the truth. So please do fully explain and bring all of your evidences for qualification.

And as already has been stated, changing, perverting, adding to scripture is completely unscriptural as the Jehovah Witnesses have done. The only thing that gets brighter and brighter in this discussion is the Bible: certainly not the cultic theology of JW. Now support your many false assertions with evidence so they can be qualified.

ratt: unlike christendom who refuses to repent of their crimes that reaches high up to heaven.- revelations 18:5.

Kemo: Let’s put it in perspective for you ratt to help you see past the perspective you have adopted. This message is an assurance to Christians and intended for those Christians whom are still in a future Babylon. Therefore the accurate identification of Babylon becomes important. Certainly it is not Christian assemblies not in Babylon teaching sound doctrine. Your accusation against these Christian assemblies is a false one.

Those that are resolved to partake with wicked men in their sins (such as cults who reject sound biblical doctrine and continue refusing the truth and God’s grace for example) are judged as such in verse 5. I have heard various arguments attempting to define Mystery Babylon from Rome, to the world's religions, to America (from the disenfranchised), etc.. and it is not surprising there is controversy as the author speaks of the future. In hindsight there would be no mystery. I think the often overused and oversimplified occam's razor could be appealed to here. Babylon is currently being rebuilt ratt. This is quite prophetic and historic since it has been desolate since before 141 BC! There is no reason to suggest the future Babylon is not well.. the future Babylon. No metaphors needed.

ratt: do you expect the holy spirit to dwell with homosexuals and pedaphile preist? many people of christendom do. why? because they neither know god or the bible. JW organization have not committed crimes, they are blameless and upright.

Kemo: The Lord is blameless and upright. The Bible says that “all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” JW members are sinners who prefer their own rightousness to God's through Christ as the Bible teaches.

It is important to note that the Jehovah's Witness organization claims to be the only true Christian group in the entire world. It says that all other churches, whether Catholic or Protestant, teach error and that anyone who is not a Jehovah's Witness will be destroyed by God. However, the facts show that this group is a deceptive sect denying the central teachings of the Bible.

Of course the Bible and authentic Christians do not agree with the horrendous sins you have falsely attempted to project because of your apostate theology ratt. You should be ashamed for trying to project the theology of apostate assemblies onto authentic ones. It just shows me that you cannot tell the difference because you are so blinded by JW theology which claims all other churches and all people outside of JW will be destroyed by God.

One thing that apostate organizations that endorse homosexual preachers and protect peds have in common with your theology ratt is that both misrepresent scripture. And how upright can a cult be that is shown time and time to possess a false theology ratt? That's called lying. Now, I have a few questions for you.

Please don’t forget to answer all other previous requests in addition to these:

1. The Watchtower organization has claimed to be the prophet of God (The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197) yet it has made numerous false prophecies. The excuse given for their false prophecies has been to quote Proverbs 4:18 which says, "But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established." Whether or not the "light gets brighter" or not does not change the fact that the Watchtower made false prophecies. The Bible says in Deut. 18:20-22, "‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak..." If the NWT condemns false prophesying and states that it is proof that God is not speaking through that prophet, then doesn’t this prove that the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is not speaking for God?

2. Why does the New World Translation insert the word Jehovah in the New Testament when there are absolutely no Greek manuscripts that have it in there? Why change the Bible to fit JW false theology?

3. In the book, "Salvation" by J. F. Rutherford, 1939, p. 311, (a Watchtower Publication) it says, "At San Diego, California, there is a small piece of land, on which, in the year 1929, there was built a house, which is called and known as Beth-Sarim. The Hebrew words Beth Sarim mean "House of the Princes"; and the purpose of acquiring that property and building the house was that there might be some tangible proof that there are those on earth today who fully believe God and Christ Jesus and in His kingdom, and who believe that the faithful men of old will soon be resurrected by the Lord, be back on earth, and take charge of the visible affairs of earth. The title to Beth-Sarim is vested in the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society in trust, to be used by the president of the Society and his assistants for the present, and thereafter to be forever at the disposal of the aforementioned princes on earth [italic added]. . . . while the unbelievers have mocked concerning it and spoken contemptuously of it, yet it stands there as a testimony to Jehovah’s name; and if and when the princes do return and some of them occupy the property, such will be a confirmation of the faith and hope that induced the building of Beth-Sarim." This place was sold in 1942 after Rutherford’s death. Therefore, it appears that the faithful were misled since the house was to "be forever at the disposal of the aforementioned princes." Is this really a testimony to Jehovah’s name as it said? How can it be if they sold the house?

4. The Watchtower organization states that Jesus died on a stake, not a cross. The typical Watchtower representation of this is with Jesus on a single vertical stake, hands over his head with a single nail in his wrists. If Jesus were crucified on a cross, then two nails would be necessary, one in each hand. How then does the Watchtower organization handle the verse in the Bible that states that Jesus had nails (plural) in his hands: "Consequently the other disciples would say to him: "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them: "unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe" (John 20:25, NWT). Jesus had one nail in each hand. This is made clear by the use of the word ‘nails’ not ‘nail.’ Jesus must have been crucified on a cross, and not a stake as the Watchtower organization teaches. Why is it, then, that the Watchtower teaches something that is so clearly unbiblical?

5. The Watchtower organization states that through good works and sincere effort only 144,000 elite JW’s will go to heaven. The 144,000 are mentioned in two chapters in the Bible: Revelation 7 & 14. By looking at the verses it is obvious that the 144,000 are literal Jews of the ancient tribes with no Gentiles among them (7:4-8). They are all males (14:4) and virgins (14:4). If the JW states that the usage of Jewish male virgins is figurative, what gives them the right to state that number of 144,000 is literal?

ratt: the pope and his followers was freinds with hitler and supported the third reich in their rise to power. nazi soldiers would go to catholic church and confess their sins to a preist after slaughtering countless jews. digusting!

Kemo: Yes it is disgusting. So what has this to do with authentic Christians like myself who are not Catholics and feel the same way you do about that and in no way support the Catholic Church?
ratt: catholics are also responsible for the brutal slavery of black people in america and abroad. many klansmans are catholics.
Kemo: Fascinating. Please support your assertions with evidence so that I may review it.

ratt: how could the GOD of love and peace be represented by a religion that has a track record of hate and war? they should be charged and convicted of crimes against humanity.

Kemo: Take WWII for example; how could JW refuse to participate in ending the systematic mass murder of millions and millions and millions of innocents from murdering evil tyrants who cared nothing for humanity, democractic principles and freedom, liberty, and justice (even if applied imperfectly in this present age) or the Bible simply because their theology is that "all governments are of satan." JW refused to fight preferring to sit on their false theology while millions and millions and millions went to the ovens refusing to lift a finger to fight while so many others fought and died to stop it. Perhaps those JW were the real criminals. But let’s say that you even might come up with an acceptable excuse to that question ratt, the rest of your post is ignorant.

Again, It is important to note that the Jehovah's Witness organization claims to be the only true Christian group in the entire world. It says that all other churches, whether Catholic or Protestant, teach error and that anyone who is not a Jehovah's Witness will be destroyed by God.

So when you have that kind of a theology it is no problem to make blanket false accusations against everyone outside of JW that ever lived as deserving of “crimes against humanity” now does it? But that is so wrong ratt. Can't you see how evil that position is?

[Kemosave]

The very people that "God so loved that he sent his only begotten son [not an archangel ratt] that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

God loves people ratt. JW theology is so wicked in its desire to misintrepet scripture to damn humans seeing everyone outside the cult of JW as being destroyed by God. And that is a complete lie. Another cult lie from yet another unhappy false prophet.

God does not condition our salvation on how many visits we have made, how many books we have distributed, or on our ability to be worthy, but on the Savior's ability to save. Those of us who have trusted in Christ have received everlasting life. We testify to you that we have been born again and our spiritual lives have started. God's solution works ratt!

Why not shift your faith ratt from a false cult theology that misinterprets scripture to damn everyone outside of JW and put it in Jesus Christ as the Bible teaches. Trust Him to save you. If you do, you too will receive everlasting life. You will be born again and have a place in God's kingdom and won't have to go around telling all us saved Christians how we are going to hell because we don't believe the false twisted theology of your cult.

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"
(John 3:17).

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Let God's word convince you to quit trusting in what you have done or hope to do, and trust in Christ. The Bible does not admit a second chance after the resurrection. "…he that believeth not is condemned already." (See also Luke 20:35-36.)

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:8-9).

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6).

Only by trusting Christ to save us can we receive God's gift of salvation and be born again.

Leave the cult ratt.

[ratt]

do you own a bible? if you do please[b] read the scriptures [/b]cited here. it will set matters straight. philippians 2:15,3:6; gen.25:27; luke 1:6; job 1:1; 1thess. 5:23. like i said, jehovah's people are blameless.now to itemize all the crimes committed by christendom would take years to publish and would fill every shelf in the library with no room to spare. therefore, i challenge you to name one crime they haven't committed.

[TarHeelRED]

Dang, Ratt, I didn't know u were a Jehova's Witness. U mean 2 tell me these folk in the world who have received Jesus as LORD and Saviour, only 144,00 is going 2 heaven? LOL. Tell me which number are u? LOL. Although faith is dead without works(James 2:17),man can never perform deeds 2 get them into heaven. It doesn't matter how righteous a man's deeds r.Especially when folk(Jehovah Witnessess) are going around dispersing spurious doctrines. Heaven is mammoth enough 2 accomodate more than 144,000 folk. U do know the 144,000 are from the tribes of Israel. Which tribe are u a scion from? LOL!!

[ratt]

i am not of that number nor am i a member of jehovah's witnesses. secondly, it is jehovah the creator who chooses who will become kings and preist in the kingdom of the heavens and how many people he sees fit to accomplish his mission, namely paradise return. each individual was bought by god using the value of christ ransom sacrafice .(1 cor.7:23.) how many did he choose to buy? he himself explains at rev.14:1-3 .

there are many invited but few are chosen- matthew 22:14. they will be co-rulers with christ in heaven for 1,000 years. who will this heavenly government govern? the meek who will inherit the earth (psalm 37:11) a undetermined number, a great crowd of jehovah's people who will survive the great tribulation. (rev. 7:9-14). these will live forever in paradise on earth, GOD's original purpose for mankind. no more death and sorrow the former system of things will have passed away.( rev.12:3,4). now that's good news!

[ratt]

JEHOVAH continues to slience all critics

[TmaaN]

I notice that the Jehovah's Witneses were associated as an occult on one of the other threads, but I would disagree with that.

I think that their philosphy is somewhat strict, in that they try to be consistent with scriptural principals, and today's open society goes against rigid rules.

But if you believe in the Bible, from Genesis to Revelations, I think they are on point with what is written more so than any of Christian religions out there.

If you only knew...*deception is a mother......aint it?!*

[Mraka]

will I see a happy

jeehowaas Vitneese one day?

I know to guys that where living under a harsh regiment at home.
Man, they don`t want that kind of living for their enemys.

[kverdugazo]

Jevovha= Jesus Christ of the Old Testament
JW's don't believe that but oh well... they are pretty good people for the most part... I don't think that it's cool tho' that they try to sell you magazines and their "bible". I don't think they're very "on point", like Alonso said, with their doctrine either. They misinterpret most scriptures from what I've noticed... besides that their books and magazines are weird and have weird pictures because of their weird interpretations of some scriptures in the bible. We lived next door to a JW family and they wouldn't let their daughter play with my lil sis because they found out that we were "mormons" haha I don't think that was very Christlike. A lot of people get mormons and Jw's confused but there's really nothing similar about the 2 religions.

[Wisdom]

Jevovha= Jesus Christ of the Old Testament
JW's don't believe that but oh well... they are pretty good people for the most part... I don't think that it's cool tho' that they try to sell you magazines and their "bible". I don't think they're very "on point", like Alonso said, with their doctrine either. They misinterpret most scriptures from what I've noticed... besides that their books and magazines are weird and have weird pictures because of their weird interpretations of some scriptures in the bible. We lived next door to a JW family and they wouldn't let their daughter play with my lil sis because they found out that we were "mormons" haha I don't think that was very Christlike. A lot of people get mormons and Jw's confused but there's really nothing similar about the 2 religions.

did you read the link above about how mormons and JW are the same?

[kverdugazo]

Jevovha= Jesus Christ of the Old Testament
JW's don't believe that but oh well... they are pretty good people for the most part... I don't think that it's cool tho' that they try to sell you magazines and their "bible". I don't think they're very "on point", like Alonso said, with their doctrine either. They misinterpret most scriptures from what I've noticed... besides that their books and magazines are weird and have weird pictures because of their weird interpretations of some scriptures in the bible. We lived next door to a JW family and they wouldn't let their daughter play with my lil sis because they found out that we were "mormons" haha I don't think that was very Christlike. A lot of people get mormons and Jw's confused but there's really nothing similar about the 2 religions.

did you read the link above about how mormons and JW are the same?

Nope... I didn't see any link above saying that...and besides that, the doctrine between the 2 religions is not even close. Anyone that says that or even thinks that is mistaken and obviously never really studied the 2 religions. There's really no similarities between the 2 besides that they're not what most people consider "mainstream" Christian churches. I don't know if JW's consider themselves Christians but I know "Mormon's" do and anyone that thinks differentely just look at the name of the church... The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints. "Mormon" is actually a nickname that people gave the church almost 200 years ago.

[worldwide]

MAN, first off im not here to offend anyone but, if i do, pray for me!

dude y'all aint hearin what y'all sayin, these were the same opinions and philsophies that ushered Jesus to the cross. Jehovas wittnesses, christians, catholics,
buhdist, muslims, so many different factions who supposedly worship the creator. If He created this whole universe then we are all of Him. so where did we form our own opinions, about something that is above our head. God winks at small talk as such. I believe in God the father His son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. It clearly states in the bible from the Jump that the trinity has always been. (let us make man in our own image!) Now if He says "our" thats speakin plural not one individual! I aint steppin on nobody else's religion nor do i intend to, but if you gonna live by something live by the whole thing and not just what suits your idea of a service to GOD!!!

[alexalonso]

Dang, Ratt, I didn't know u were a Jehova's Witness. U mean 2 tell me these folk in the world who have received Jesus as LORD and Saviour, only 144,00 is going 2 heaven? LOL. Tell me which number are u? LOL. Although faith is dead without works(James 2:17),man can never perform deeds 2 get them into heaven. It doesn't matter how righteous a man's deeds r.Especially when folk(Jehovah Witnessess) are going around dispersing spurious doctrines. Heaven is mammoth enough 2 accomodate more than 144,000 folk. U do know the 144,000 are from the tribes of Israel. Which tribe are u a scion from? LOL!!

Can someone explain what the 144,000 in Revelations is about if it is not about how many people are going to heaven. And if everyone is trying to get to live in heaven, then who will be the meek ones that will inherit the earth and live forever on it if they are all going to heaven?

[TarHeelRED]

Dang, Ratt, I didn't know u were a Jehova's Witness. U mean 2 tell me these folk in the world who have received Jesus as LORD and Saviour, only 144,00 is going 2 heaven? LOL. Tell me which number are u? LOL. Although faith is dead without works(James 2:17),man can never perform deeds 2 get them into heaven. It doesn't matter how righteous a man's deeds r.Especially when folk(Jehovah Witnessess) are going around dispersing spurious doctrines. Heaven is mammoth enough 2 accomodate more than 144,000 folk. U do know the 144,000 are from the tribes of Israel. Which tribe are u a scion from? LOL!!

Can someone explain what the 144,000 in Revelations is about if it is not about how many people are going to heaven.

The 144,000 are Jewish scions from the 12 Tribes of Israel, YHWH's "Chosen folk". From the 12 Tribes are 12,000 from each Tribe("tribes"can be rendered "sons" of Jacob(ISRAEL))of Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Isachar, Zebulun, Joseph, and Benjamin, and from thence that's the totality of the 144,000(it's like saying 12 x 12 =144 but just supplement 3 zeroes. These 144,000 will be remnants of the Great Tribulation, Rev. 7:14-17. These 144,000 will be those who according 2 Rev 14:1-5, Those JEWS in which were not defiled with women and were vestals(chaste virgins) and irreproachable men who spoke no guile(deceit) while prevalating the gospel of The Mighty and Wonderful Counselor unto the lost souls in the Great Tribulation era. So no, the 144,000 is irrelevant 2 the verily # that will sojourn in heaven. Any1 who has believed and trusted Christ and have accepted Him as Lord and Saviour and are SAved and Redeemed will be in heaven with Jesus.

[TarHeelRED]

And if everyone is trying to get to live in heaven, then who will be the meek ones that will inherit the earth and live forever on it if they are all going to heaven?

[color=red]This is a facile 1. The meek who will inherit the earth are those who are saved by Jesus, Rev. 21:6- He that overcometh shall INHERIT ALL THINGS; and I will be his God and he shall be my son.
Rev. 21 touches on the new heaven and earth(New Jerusalem). See right now heaven is way up yonder in the zenith of the firmaments(a place scientist can't behold with a telescope and satellites that's why they discredit God).Reflecting the Great Tribulation, the 1000 Millenium reign of the Messiah, and the loosing of Beelzebub from his abyss, the earth will be consumed in fire, Rev. 20:9. Satan will be the 1st 1 cast into Abaddon(Hades, Hell) and tormented night and day henceforth. Everbody will be judged and the sons of satan which are heathens that deny Jesus and those whose names are uninscribed in the Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire, Rev. 20:15. Ensuingly the New Jerusalem(heaven) will descend from God because the 1st earth and seas will perish, Rev. 21:1. And if you read chpt. 21 you'll be informed of the dimensions of the Holy City. SO 2 SUM IT ALL UP NEW JERUSALEM(heaven) WILL BE RIGHT HERE ON THIS LANDMASS THAT WE CALL EARTH. We will no longer have 2 marvel His(Jesus) appearance we will lo him forevermore.

And 2 those who don't know Jesus(many claim 2 know him and don't read Matthew 7:21-23. Muslims believe in Jesus but they say he was a mere phrophet not the Son of God, I'm talking about those who "know" Jesus as their GOD, LORD, and MASTER) and want 2 abide in this majestic land, the only requisite is 2 believe in or on Him wholeheartedly, without any peradventure. Yes, it's that simple. Acts16:30-31-....What must I do to be saved?...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved and thy house, and my favorite John 3:36- He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. And once u abtain your salvation from Jesus it's 4 ever. So I'm urging any who haven't been redeemed 2 become redeemed and do it hastily like instantaneously!! U can be saved in front of your pc., u don't have 2 be in a chuch facility.
Just utter this prayer, and u can attain everlasting life and be liberated from the clutches of Satan and from his lot, hell. LORD Jesus, I admit that I'm a sinner. And I believe u died on the cross 4 the atonement of my sins. I ask u 2 come into my heart right now. I want 2 confess and repent(2 change 1's mind) of all my sins. I accept u as LORD and Savior of my life, and in Jesus' name I pray Amen. If u have prayed this prayer you are OFFICIALLY SAVED. [/color

[TarHeelRED]

And if everyone is trying to get to live in heaven, then who will be the meek ones that will inherit the earth and live forever on it if they are all going to heaven?

This is a facile 1. The meek who will inherit the earth are those who are saved by Jesus, Rev. 21:6- He that overcometh shall INHERIT ALL THINGS; and I will be his God and he shall be my son.
Rev. 21 touches on the new heaven and earth(New Jerusalem). See right now heaven is way up yonder in the zenith of the firmaments(a place scientist can't behold with a telescope and satellites that's why they discredit God).Reflecting the Great Tribulation, the 1000 Millenium reign of the Messiah, and the loosing of Beelzebub from his abyss, the earth will be consumed in fire, Rev. 20:9. Satan will be the 1st 1 cast into Abaddon(Hades, Hell) and tormented night and day henceforth. Everbody will be judged and the sons of satan which are heathens that deny Jesus and those whose names are uninscribed in the Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire, Rev. 20:15. Ensuingly the New Jerusalem(heaven) will descend from God because the 1st earth and seas will perish, Rev. 21:1. And if you read chpt. 21 you'll be informed of the dimensions of the Holy City. SO 2 SUM IT ALL UP NEW JERUSALEM(heaven) WILL BE RIGHT HERE ON THIS LANDMASS THAT WE CALL EARTH. We will no longer have 2 marvel His(Jesus) appearance we will lo him forevermore.

And 2 those who don't know Jesus(many claim 2 know him and don't read Matthew 7:21-23. Muslims believe in Jesus but they say he was a mere phrophet not the Son of God, I'm talking about those who "know" Jesus as their GOD, LORD, and MASTER) and want 2 abide in this majestic land, the only requisite is 2 believe in or on Him wholeheartedly, without any peradventure. Yes, it's that simple. Acts16:30-31-....What must I do to be saved?...Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved and thy house, and my favorite John 3:36- He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. And once u abtain your salvation from Jesus it's 4 ever. So I'm urging any who haven't been redeemed 2 become redeemed and do it hastily like instantaneously!! U can be saved in front of your pc., u don't have 2 be in a chuch facility.
Just utter this prayer, and u can attain everlasting life and be liberated from the clutches of Satan and from his lot, hell. LORD Jesus, I admit that I'm a sinner. And I believe u died on the cross 4 the atonement of my sins. I ask u 2 come into my heart right now. I want 2 confess and repent(2 change 1's mind) of all my sins. I accept u as LORD and Savior of my life, and in Jesus' name I pray Amen. If u have prayed this prayer you are OFFICIALLY SAVED.

[TarHeelRED]

MAN, first off im not here to offend anyone but, if i do, pray for me!

dude y'all aint hearin what y'all sayin, these were the same opinions and philsophies that ushered Jesus to the cross. Jehovas wittnesses, christians, catholics,
buhdist, muslims, so many different factions who supposedly worship the creator. If He created this whole universe then we are all of Him. so where did we form our own opinions, about something that is above our head. God winks at small talk as such. I believe in God the father His son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. It clearly states in the bible from the Jump that the trinity has always been. (let us make man in our own image!) Now if He says "our" thats speakin plural not one individual! I aint steppin on nobody else's religion nor do i intend to, but if you gonna live by something live by the whole thing and not just what suits your idea of a service to GOD!!!

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TarHeelRED]

Jehovah's Witnesses are sham Christians who deny the deity of Mr. Jesus. And from what modesty I know about the Mormons the Mormons are remote from probity themselves. Both groups are cults!

[TarHeelRED]

They believe that Christ is the son of God, and not God Almighty. That is basic and in my view and scriptural. They reject the trinity, that being that God the father, Jesus the son, and the Holy spirit is the same person. Trinity is a word that never appears in the Bible and a concept started over 325 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven. No one in the Bible ever preached, taught, or spread information on a trinity therefore I reject it along with many other Chrinstians and non-christians. It is a human philosphy that I can't get with.

Alonso, biblically what does Emmanuel(Immanuel;JESUS) render as? *HINT. it's in Matt. 1:23, Isaiah 7:14,9:6,8:8, and 8:10.

[alexalonso]

It is during these ‘book studies' that the Jehovah's Witness is constantly exposed to counter Christian teachings.

What are these "counter-Christian teachings?
1. they dont believe in celebrating Christmas - that's no where in the bible, or a Christian teaching, or ever practiced by any of Jesus followers after his death
2. They dont believe in the Trinity - the Bible support for no Trinity far outweighs support in the Trinity. And let those be reminded the word Trinity, either in Greek or Hebrew never appears in the Bible, nor is any early Christian follower ever documented to preach it or teach it.
3. They dont celebrate Haloween.
4. They dont celebrate Easter - and I am sure everyone know of Easter's pagan connections.
5. They believe in the Great Tribulation - end of current society - that is in the Bible.
6. They dont worship Saints as Catholics do. That is no where in the bible - and Saint worship is counter-Biblical, that's for sure.

I can go on. But any please outline the "counter-Christian" teachings of the JWs.

[TarHeelRED]

It is during these ‘book studies' that the Jehovah's Witness is constantly exposed to counter Christian teachings.

What are these "counter"-Christian teachings?
1. they dont believe in celebrating Christmas - that's no where in the bible, or a Christian teaching, or ever practiced by any of Jesus followers after his death
2. They dont believe in the Trinity - the Bible support for no Trinity far outweighs support in the Trinity. And let those be reminded the word Trinity, either in Greek or Hebrew never appears in the Bible, nor is any early Christian follower ever documented to preach it or teach it.
3. They dont celebrate Haloween.
4. They dont celebrate Easter - and I am sure everyone know of Easter's pagan connections.
5. They believe in the Great Tribulation - end of current society - that is in the Bible.
6. They dont worship Saints as Catholics do. That is no where in the bible - and Saint worship is counter-Biblical, that's for sure.

I can go on. But any please outline the "counter-Christian" teachings of the JWs.

The "counter- Christian" doctrines of the Witnesses are as follows:
-The denial of Yeshuas' deity
-the repulsion of the deity of the Holy Spirit
-the repulsion or rejection of the Godhead; i.e. the triunity of Elohim
-The rejection of a literal hell or lake of fire of everlasting torment
-Salvation by works and not by trusting in Christ alone
-the taboo of blood transfusions
-only 144,000 will go 2 heaven
-the corporeal or bodily resurrection of Yeshua
-the denial of a "cross" crucifixion
-the denial of 'once saved always saved'(eternal salvation)
-the rejection of a bodily materialization of Yeshua from heaven at His 2nd Advent
.....AND SO ON.

It has been corroborated amply and authoritatively that the Witnesses are a cult and in fact DON'T KNOW YEHOVAH . It's time 2 desist calling this cult the "Jehovah's" Witnesses- and start calling them (Watchtower) Witnesses.

Whosoever denieth the Son,the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.-I John II XXIII

[Brown Street]

If you know much about religion, and Christianity, and the BIble, you know thatJehovah's Witnesses

-are NOT Christian ..
-do NOTbelieve in the Bible...the Bible used by JW's is one that they have changed themselves-changed the translations to fit their interpretations.

The JW's were founded by a man-not by God-this man delivered all this doctrine never heard of before his time, and then pedicted the end of the world. Well, the world did not end, and his doctrine was like his prediction-WRONG!

Alot fo it is about making people go out and sell, sell, sell those books and magazines! Bring in the money for Jehovah! Oh-oops-Jehovah aint here? Well then, I guess our LEADERS will use the money-ha you bet they will!

[Brown Street]

Jehovah's Witnesses are EASILY countered, and gotten rid of, simply if you are a person who is familair with and knows about your faith...Ifyou know your faith, and/or the BIble,jehovah's Witnesses will LEAVE IMMEDIATELY, because they do not want to hear things thatcounter what they say, or hear things that show their beliefs are simply incorrect! They MUCH PREFER to talk to those who have NO knowledge of religion, Christianity, or the Bible, so they can "blow them away"with all their so-called "knowldge," which any educated person really knows is falsehoods, lies, deceptions, and a lot of nonsense! Theyare AFRAID to speak to people who KNOW what they are about!

[~J~]

Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves true Christians.

From what little I know... a lot of the funds the Kingdom Halls receive are through donations but Jehovah's Witnesses do sell material. by the way, they use the Greek and the Hebrew Scriptures the purest of translations available.

No, Jehovah's Witnesses are there to help you and are not vain in anyway. maybe someday I'll wise up and look into the Jehovah's Witnesses functions.

[TarHeelRED]

by the way, they use the Greek and the Hebrew Scriptures the purest of translations available.

Oh yeah? Then tell me why there is over (If I'm aright) 30 omitted scriptures in their entirety in the New World Translation. Moreover, there are a myriad of partial deletions of scriptures in the NWT. Those same scriptures that are omitted in the NWT are in my King James Version. The translators of the KJV also used the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek autographs or manuscripts 2 give unto us the English version of those Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek manuscripts.

And 4 those who don't know the NIV Bible has those same scriptures deleted as do the NWT. The NIV & the NWT are practically alike.

[NikexCortez]

What is it that JWs believe and preech that was proven false and unmoral?

Like Mormons believe the Garden of Eden is in Missouri LOL.

[A Ghost]

They wake me up when Im trying to sleep in

[alexalonso]

Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves true Christians.

From what little I know... a lot of the funds the Kingdom Halls receive are through donations but Jehovah's Witnesses do sell material. by the way, they use the Greek and the Hebrew Scriptures the purest of translations available.

No, Jehovah's Witnesses are there to help you and are not vain in anyway. maybe someday I'll wise up and look into the Jehovah's Witnesses functions.

they are definitely christian, and they have no agenda at all.

[TarHeelRED]

^^^^If u use the word 'Christian' as loosely as others do across earth, sure they are. Catholicism is Christian, the Black Hebrew Israelites are Christian, the Mormons are Christians, Farrakhan even called himself a Christian 1 time. So depending on how 'u' define 'Chrisitan', anything or anybody can be 'Christian'. But I'm sure we agree 2 disagree.

They have no agenda? Come on Alonzo. Everybody has an agenda, whether it be good or bad or other. The agenda of the Witnesses is 2 convince people that Jesus the Messiah & the Holy Spirit are not God & there is no such thing as the Trinity or Godhead as mainstream 'Christianity' say there is; they have an agenda 2 make people not believe in a literal hell; they have an agenda 2 make people believe that all people will eventually live in paradise on earth & only 144,000 JWs will live in Heaven/Paradise; they have an agenda 2 make people believe that Jesus the Messiah didn't rise bodily from the grave after 3 days, thus nullifying the Gospel, the main message of Christianity; they have an agenda 2 make u believe that u have 2 work your way into heaven/paradise on earth and that we're not saved by mere faith in the Gospel message alone, apart from any works; they have an agenda 2 prove in their interpretation of the NWT- which by the way is an incomplete version/translation of the Bible, missing over 30 scriptures in their entirety from copies of copies of the original Hebrew & Greek manuscripts- that Jesus, God the Son, is none other than Michael the Archangel; and etc.

My agenda and the agenda of those who believe like me is 2 show & prove in the Holy Bible that all the things enumerated above and other doctrines that the Witnesses & other pseudo-Christian groups, organizations, & denominations, as well as other anti-Bible theologies, ideologies, religions, & irreligious groups are false in what they teach/believe & showing them real Biblical truth & facts and God's true plan of salvation as revealed in the Scriptures.

[alexalonso]

It is not their agenda to "make people believe" but rather to show people if they believe in the scripture, all that information is in there, when most preachers are preaching about their on personal philosophy and not relying on scripture to provide the entire story.

So if you want to call that an agenda, so be it.

But a Christian is defined by anyone who believes that worship of God the father must go through his son Christ. If you believe that you are a Christian, and I know that Farrakhan does not believe in that, so he is clearly not a Christian. I though he was a Muslim.

[alexalonso]

Jesus the Messiah & the Holy Spirit are not God

No, they say that the Holy Spirit is God's active force and that Jesus is the son.

there is no such thing as the Trinity or Godhead as mainstream 'Christianity' say there is;

Correct

they have an agenda 2 make people not believe in a literal hell;

that is correct and true, there is no such place of Hell being an eternal place of torment where you burn in fire. That come from Dante's writing and is not in scripture

they have an agenda 2 make people believe that all people will eventually live in paradise on earth

Correct, the meek will possess the Earth and live FOREVER upon it.

only 144,000 JWs will live in Heaven/Paradise;

No completely correct, they dont teach that ONLY JWs will make up the 144,000, because there are many people that are in that group before the current JW movement even started, but there will be on 144,000 people from Earth to reign with Jesus in heaven while the rest of us get to live on Earth ,

they have an agenda 2 make people believe that Jesus the Messiah didn't rise bodily from the grave after 3 days, thus nullifying the Gospel, the main message of Christianity;

Not true, they certainly beleive that Jesus was resurrected after he was killed on earth.

they have an agenda 2 make u believe that u have 2 work your way into heaven/paradise on earth and that we're not saved by mere faith in the Gospel message alone, apart from any works;

That's true, the bible tells us that faith alone without works is dead!

they have an agenda 2 prove in their interpretation of the NWT- which by the way is an incomplete version/translation of the Bible, missing over 30 scriptures in their entirety from copies of copies of the original Hebrew & Greek manuscripts-

Untrue, being a bible collector with over 50 different types, I often hear this false claim, if you are going to claim that the NWT has missing scriptures, then all English versions, King James, NIV, Living, etc then have missing scriptures. Completely untrue.

that Jesus, God the Son, is none other than Michael the Archangel; and etc.

It took me a while to figure this one out but then it is rather simple. First let me say that the over whelming majority of the globes population DO NOT believe that Jesus is the same as GOD the father. Jesus therefore had a beginning, making him the first creation of God the Father thus making Jesus the first Angel ever created, as described in Proverbs. Jesus then created everything and everyone else under the direction of his father. So that would make him the highest of all angels, the Arcangel.

[~J~]

I hate to give you credit again lol joking

Alonso looks like you've been doing some type of good general research with regards, or talking to Witnesses and their believes, I wish I could add to it I just don't really feel qualify at the moment. I just wanted to give you a thumps up because to my understanding you're on the right track.