The Book of Mormon

[none for you]

okay, ladies here it is:


here is PROOF that it is not Gode's will to be racially mixed;


2Nephi 5:1-22


read it and rejoice!


now get off my ass on this one!

[rocstar]

LOL, Nothing in the Book of Mormon's is proof of anything. My barber might as well have written it.

[Christina Marie]

I dont do Mormon, but here it is

Chapter Five

1 BEHOLD, it came to pass that I, Nephi, did cry much unto the Lord my God, because of the anger of my brethren.

2 But behold, their anger did increase against me, insomuch that they did seek to take away my life.

3 Yea, they did murmur against me, saying: Our younger brother thinks to rule over us; and we have had much trial because of him; wherefore, now let us slay him, that we may not be afflicted more because of his words. For behold, we will not have him to be our ruler; for it belongs unto us, who are the elder brethren, to rule over this people.

4 Now I do not write upon these plates all the words which they murmured against me. But it sufficeth me to say, that they did seek to take away my life.

5 And it came to pass that the Lord did warn me, that I, Nephi, should depart from them and flee into the wilderness, and all those who would go with me.

6 Wherefore, it came to pass that I, Nephi, did take my family, and also Zoram and his family, and Sam, mine elder brother and his family, and Jacob and Joseph, my younger brethren, and also my sisters, and all those who would go with me. And all those who would go with me were those who believed in the warnings and the revelations of God; wherefore, they did hearken unto my words.

7 And we did take our tents and whatsoever things were possible for us, and did journey in the wilderness for the space of many days. And after we had journeyed for the space of many days we did pitch our tents.

8 And my people would that we should call the name of the place Nephi; wherefore, we did call it Nephi.

9 And all those who were with me did take upon them to call themselves the people of Nephi.

10 And we did observe to keep the judgments, and the statutes, and the commandments of the Lord in all things, according to the law of Moses.

11 And the Lord was with us; and we did prosper exceedingly; for we did sow seed, and we did reap again in abundance. And we began to raise flocks, and herds, and animals of every kind.

12 And I, Nephi, had also brought the records which were engraven upon the plates of brass; and also the ball, or compass, which was prepared for my father by the hand of the Lord, according to that which is written.

13 And it came to pass that we began to prosper exceedingly, and to multiply in the land.

14 And I, Nephi, did take the sword of Laban, and after the manner of it did make many swords, lest by any means the people who were now called Lamanites should come upon us and destroy us; for I knew their hatred towards me and my children and those who were called my people.

15 And I did teach my people to build buildings, and to work in all manner of wood, and of iron, and of copper, and of brass, and of steel, and of gold, and of silver, and of precious ores, which were in great abundance.

16 And I, Nephi, did build a temple; and I did construct it after the manner of the temple of Solomon save it were not built of so many precious things; for they were not to be found upon the land, wherefore, it could not be built like unto Solomon's temple. But the manner of the construction was like unto the temple of Solomon; and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine.

17 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did cause my people to be industrious, and to labor with their hands.

18 And it came to pass that they would that I should be their king. But I, Nephi, was desirous that they should have no king; nevertheless, I did for them according to that which was in my power.

19 And behold, the words of the Lord had been fulfilled unto my brethren, which he spake concerning them, that I should be their ruler and their teacher. Wherefore, I had been their ruler and their teacher, according to the commandments of the Lord, until the time they sought to take away my life.

20 Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will not hearken unto thy words they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were cut off from his presence.

21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Book_of_M ... apter_Five

[BlaKK]

Mormons die, burn and body rot.

[Anesis]

Is anyone LDS here?

I know one LDS member, and it really bothers me how he can be so intelligent and yet still be LDS.

I mean, I have plenty of Christian friends who have beliefs that I find comical, but some of the LDS stuff seems like a Hubbard film. And I don't mean that disrepectfully - it just seems really foreign to me.

I think the most interesting aspects of this religion are their views on Native Americans and the fact that they didn't let blacks become leaders/pastors until 1978. It makes me want to know why anyone of color would join the LDS church.

I did some research for a class in college, and I always invite the missionaries in my house, and I agree with a lot of what they promote, but there is too much that I don't agree with. I really admire the missionaries - I have never had one use fear tactics with me or say anything tacky or disrespectful to me or my beliefs.

Just as long as I don't start getting phone calls or Chick Tracks in the mail, but luckily for me, I think Jack Chick hates Mormons.

/Chick Tracks give all Christians a bad name.

[BlaKK]

LDS aint never heard of that shit, LSD, im on that shit.

[Christina Marie]

LDS aint never heard of that shit, LSD, im on that shit.

Mormons=Church of Latter Day Saints

[BlaKK]

I see.

[Anesis]

I think they would rather be known as Latter Day Saints rather than Mormons. If I recall correctly, Mormon was one of the authors of additional texts to the Bible (hence the name the Book of Mormon, much like the Book of Mark).

They view that blacks are children of Cain (at least I think that is what is written in the Book of Mormon). I get the impression that they allow all to members, but that blacks are going to have a harder time finding salvation and that some feel that even in Heaven, blacks will be servants.

I have hard time understanding that because I thought they had a different view of Heaven than other Christians.

I accept that there are things that I won't understand because I don't have faith.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds.htm has a good basis for their beliefs, and I find this site to be written very objectively.

[useless_person]

Book of Mormon is BS...

I don't even read the bible regularly and I don't go to church on every sunday...

Ok then what's Heaven called in the book of Mormon???

Mormonland???

Yea right I've seen that espisode of South Park and it seems pretty BS to me???

PS is Mormon apart of the Christian religion or an independent one???

[Dregsta]

Book of Mormon is BS...

I don't even read the bible regularly and I don't go to church on every sunday...

Ok then what's Heaven called in the book of Mormon???

Mormonland???

Yea right I've seen that espisode of South Park and it seems pretty BS to me???

PS is Mormon apart of the Christian religion or an independent one???

Mormonland LOL good one.
Mormons are far from being christians they just desguise themself as one.Joseph Smith. Jr, a false prophet and creator of this sect, got wacked by other fellow masons because he incorporated there satanic and cabalistic rituals into the mormons whitout there permission .

[Anesis]

PS is Mormon apart of the Christian religion or an independent one???

It depends on who you ask.

They have a really radical view of Heaven that isn't like other Christians. I think they still call it Heave, but there is more than one Heave, I think. If I tried to explain what I know, it's going to end up sounding like a science fiction story, and I'm not sure how accurate my knowledge is in this area.

And I call them Christians because they believe in Christ.

They believe that that Christ came to America because the Native Americans were the lost tribe. This is when the book of Mormon was written. Christ came to America before he was crucified, which explains why there is a gap in the gospels about adulthood.

I'm curious as to how they reconcile their religious beliefs with history classes.

[none for you]

and y'al lmade a point for me, I hadn't even intended!

that reigions are just another way to mentally castrate people.

[Christina Marie]

and y'al lmade a point for me, I hadn't even intended!

that reigions are just another way to mentally castrate people.

No kidding huh!!!

[Manso]

I think they would rather be known as Latter Day Saints rather than Mormons. If I recall correctly, Mormon was one of the authors of additional texts to the Bible (hence the name the Book of Mormon, much like the Book of Mark).

They view that blacks are children of Cain (at least I think that is what is written in the Book of Mormon). I get the impression that they allow all to members, but that blacks are going to have a harder time finding salvation and that some feel that even in Heaven, blacks will be servants.

I have hard time understanding that because I thought they had a different view of Heaven than other Christians.

I accept that there are things that I won't understand because I don't have faith.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds.htm has a good basis for their beliefs, and I find this site to be written very objectively.

Actually that's not written anywhere in the Book of Mormon read it again brotha...

[useless_person]

Omg. Christianism is ancient but the Mormon religion was thought of in the 1800s.

What the hell?

A religion stealing from Christians.

Hmm...

I hope that when I die I go to heaven and see it as I see the world now. I don't want to go to hell cause I'm too fragile...

[Anesis]

I think they would rather be known as Latter Day Saints rather than Mormons. If I recall correctly, Mormon was one of the authors of additional texts to the Bible (hence the name the Book of Mormon, much like the Book of Mark).

They view that blacks are children of Cain (at least I think that is what is written in the Book of Mormon). I get the impression that they allow all to members, but that blacks are going to have a harder time finding salvation and that some feel that even in Heaven, blacks will be servants.

I have hard time understanding that because I thought they had a different view of Heaven than other Christians.

I accept that there are things that I won't understand because I don't have faith.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds.htm has a good basis for their beliefs, and I find this site to be written very objectively.

Actually that's not written anywhere in the Book of Mormon read it again brotha...

What isn't written in the Book or Mormon? The beliefs on blacks? Original teachings say that God cursed blacks with the "Curse of Ham"

In fact this is a quote from the president of the Mormon History Association:"Every major Protestant denomination in history has taught that blacks are descendants of Cain and Ham."

So from what I have just read, blacks are descendants of Cain and the curse of Ham is because Ham saw his father naked.

2 Nephi 5:21-23: "And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.

And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey.

In 2 Nephi 30:6, the the Book of Mormon as originally translated (or written; opinions differ) by Joseph Smith said that if Lamanites accepted the true gospel, "...their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people." After 1981, the term "white and delightsome" was changed to read "pure." 5

3 Nephi 2:15 reads: "And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites." 5

There are non-racist things in the book as well; all races can obtain salvation.

Early racist statements by LDS leaders:

Brigham Young, who led many of the Mormons to Salt Lake City, UT wrote:

Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African Race? If the White man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.

Cain slew his brother. . . and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin.

You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants;' and they will be, until that curse is removed." 12

Joseph Fielding Smith -- not to be confused with Joseph Smith, the founder of the church -- was the sixth President of the LDS church. He wrote:

"There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantages. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient, more or less, to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there received greater blessings here, and those who were not faithful received less." 6,7

I don't what you think is in correct, but I'm interested. There's my evidence to back up my claims.

I think the institutionalized racism that plagued the church has felt some relief since 1978; the LDS members I know aren't racist.

[useless_person]

Is this you're idea of a mormon:



Nah I'm just fuckin' around, I just feel like joking today.

I don't laugh much anymore, you know?

Well anyways...

[Manso]

I think they would rather be known as Latter Day Saints rather than Mormons. If I recall correctly, Mormon was one of the authors of additional texts to the Bible (hence the name the Book of Mormon, much like the Book of Mark).

They view that blacks are children of Cain (at least I think that is what is written in the Book of Mormon). I get the impression that they allow all to members, but that blacks are going to have a harder time finding salvation and that some feel that even in Heaven, blacks will be servants.

I have hard time understanding that because I thought they had a different view of Heaven than other Christians.

I accept that there are things that I won't understand because I don't have faith.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds.htm has a good basis for their beliefs, and I find this site to be written very objectively.

Actually that's not written anywhere in the Book of Mormon read it again brotha...

What isn't written in the Book or Mormon? The beliefs on blacks? Original teachings say that God cursed blacks with the "Curse of Ham"

In fact this is a quote from the president of the Mormon History Association:"Every major Protestant denomination in history has taught that blacks are descendants of Cain and Ham."

So from what I have just read, blacks are descendants of Cain and the curse of Ham is because Ham saw his father naked.

2 Nephi 5:21-23: "And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.

And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey.

In 2 Nephi 30:6, the the Book of Mormon as originally translated (or written; opinions differ) by Joseph Smith said that if Lamanites accepted the true gospel, "...their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and a delightsome people." After 1981, the term "white and delightsome" was changed to read "pure." 5

3 Nephi 2:15 reads: "And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites." 5

There are non-racist things in the book as well; all races can obtain salvation.

Early racist statements by LDS leaders:

Brigham Young, who led many of the Mormons to Salt Lake City, UT wrote:

Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African Race? If the White man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.

Cain slew his brother. . . and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin.

You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants;' and they will be, until that curse is removed." 12

Joseph Fielding Smith -- not to be confused with Joseph Smith, the founder of the church -- was the sixth President of the LDS church. He wrote:

"There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantages. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient, more or less, to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there received greater blessings here, and those who were not faithful received less." 6,7

I don't what you think is in correct, but I'm interested. There's my evidence to back up my claims.

I think the institutionalized racism that plagued the church has felt some relief since 1978; the LDS members I know aren't racist.

Well u can find anything misquoted on the internet nowdays so it really doesn't matter but as far as the Book of Mormon goes in the scripture you quoted it wasn't talking about africans it was talking about the generation of what we call here in america indians or the indigneous people of central/south america and how they were separated from their brothers the nephites. Read the whole book and you'll understand the history. The whole "race thing" really isn't what people make it out to be with Mormons. It's really not an issue within the church.

[BlaKK]

Mormonism is a white religion, of whites, for whites, by whites, which is why they are all cast to hell... With lucifer and Hitler... I'd spit on a mormon. Spit on that niggas face.

[SniperSVD]

Mormonism is a white religion, of whites, for whites, by whites, which is why they are all cast to hell... With lucifer and Hitler... I'd spit on a mormon. Spit on that niggas face.

i second this motion. some bitch tried to convert my brother and he had one of those books, got all weird and shit, thank god for his sleeves of tattoos.

[none for you]

Mormonism is a white religion, of whites, for whites, by whites, which is why they are all cast to hell... With lucifer and Hitler... I'd spit on a mormon. Spit on that niggas face.

i second this motion. some bitch tried to convert my brother and he had one of those books, got all weird and shit, thank god for his sleeves of tattoos.

no.. mormonism is for complete idiots who need a reason to not accept life as it is,,,, and need a promise of something better than what is apparently what is: God's gift to them .... that being the moment... every moment, as it is being lived.

[BlaKK]

Realize I concur.

[Manso]

Mormonism is a white religion, of whites, for whites, by whites, which is why they are all cast to hell... With lucifer and Hitler... I'd spit on a mormon. Spit on that niggas face.

haha Oh really? Come to Compton homeboy you'd be suprised how many mormons aren't white and actually your opinion is irrelevant to the truth cuz u don't know what the **** u talking bout cuzzz. Ignorant people always wanna talk s*** about something they don't know.

[BlaKK]

Nigga I got hommies from the Tonga Crip Gang in Compton who are Mormon, stupid nigga, I tell them the same shit I say here on this board. How is an opinion irrelevant when speaking on the topic of religion? Yet you speak of ignorance... You incoherent ass nigga.

[Manso]

Nigga I got hommies from the Tonga Crip Gang in Compton who are Mormon, stupid nigga, I tell them the same shit I say here on this board. How is an opinion irrelevant when speaking on the topic of religion? Yet you speak of ignorance... You incoherent ass nigga.

U retarded cuz... u got homies that are mormon and u wanna talk mad **** about mormons? Look at yo hypocrite ass. Ah and besides that Tonga Crip Gang in Compton??? Where? You must be talking about Inglewood or Long Beach.

[BlaKK]

Tonga Crip Gang is right there off Imperial and 107th, not long beach not Inglewood nigga COMPTON. I ain't no hypocrite, How the fuck you gonna go and say some stupid shit when I just got done telling you I tell the Tongan homies the same shit I say right here in this forum board... So stay in your place young nigga, and if you gonna speak, make some sense outta yourself.

[Manso]

U dumb ass that aint Compton get yo facts straight before u speak on something homie with yo loser ass over there in Riverside smoking bud all day wasting yo life tryin to opininate on peoples religions haha

[BlaKK]

Dude over here sayin the Tonga Crip Gang is not in Compton? Ol' faggot ass nigga you aint from Compton quit lyin ho cake... All Tonga Crip Niggas are Compton Niggas... PERIOD. I dont even live in compton, so how the fuck you gonna let me school you on your own city?... Nigga I doubt you even live anywhere near L.A county... Young loc.

How is an opinion irrelevant when speaking on the topic of religion?

Now speak on the topic and answer the question you dumb nigga...

[perongregory]

no, they got tongan crip gang in the wood.

[BlaKK]

The Tongan niggas I smoke with claim strictly Compton... But that wasn't even the point behind the discussion.

[Manso]

Dude over here sayin the Tonga Crip Gang is not in Compton? Ol' faggot ass nigga you aint from Compton quit lyin ho cake... All Tonga Crip Niggas are Compton Niggas... PERIOD. I dont even live in compton, so how the fu-- you gonna let me school you on your own city?... Nigga I doubt you even live anywhere near L.A county... Young loc.

How is an opinion irrelevant when speaking on the topic of religion?

Now speak on the topic and answer the question you dumb nigga...

Damn cuh and I thought u were cool before reading how ignorant u really are cuzzz u letting that sherm get to u... Anywayz homie go buy a map... /Imperial/107 st is not Compton... And besides that I got tongan homies from TCG from the "inglewatts" u dumbass. U just exposed how "ignit" u really are. I live with samoans here in Compton so come to the hood and tell me I don't live here. Anyways... this thread is way off topic. Me fui!