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Postby frozen fire » November 7th, 2006, 12:35 am

you dont got to be a scholar or a phd holder to know why, islamic martyers hate the west and the jews. Get out of their lands and keep your noses Out.

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....... and i belive that 911 was extemely haram(wrong) In the Qu'ran it says its wrong to kill an innocent person and thats what they did they killed 3000 of them which is wrong.


i agree, believe it or not its wrong to commit suicide in islam and to kill civillians.

but most of these muslims martyers aint scholars and when they cant stand watching their fellow brothers suffering, they go to fight! and sometimes fall into the wrong hands.

fighting back isnt wrong, we are human, we cant be chained down, but how we choose to fight is what counts.

and to other is seems justified to shoot missiles into civillian areas, example hezbollah, becuz why should the jews sleep in their beds when innocent ppl are dying under the jewish rockets.

if we terror means, causing mayhem, chaos, war, fear and alarm.

then the u.s and isreal are the biggest terrorists.!!
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Postby Old Shatterhand » March 23rd, 2007, 12:26 pm

Taking the time to read books from qualified authors that actually do know much more than you is preferable to blowing off the suggestion and stating a platitude instead.

Islamist terrorism is terrorism done to further Islam. Where such terrorists seek to establish an Islamic theocracy and impose rule of sharia it is sometimes termed 'Islamist. The history of Islam is fractured and rife with civil war; however, the expansion of Islam was done often and usually by the sword. And the overthrow of Islam had to usually be accomplished by the sword as well (e.g. Charles Martel was an interesting example); however, exceptions existed. If every westerner and Jew left predominantly Muslim areas, Islamic terrorists would celebrate, give glory to Allah, and continue their mission of spreading Islam as far as possible by any means possible. Their hate for the West and the Jews goes far beyond real estate issues though they do play a significant role.

frozen fire wrote:you dont got to be a scholar or a phd holder to know why, islamic martyers hate the west and the jews. Get out of their lands and keep your noses Out.
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Postby frozen fire » March 23rd, 2007, 8:53 pm

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Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.
The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book “Islam at the cross road”

“History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.”


1. Islam means peace.
Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.
Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests.
Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and antisocial elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace.
At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression.
The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

4. Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.
Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians.

i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there wouldnot have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

6.More than 80% non-Muslims in India.
The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

7.Indonesia and Malaysia.
Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, “Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?” ???

8.East Coast of Africa.

Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, “Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?”

9.Thomas Carlyle.
The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book “Heroes and Hero worship”, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: “The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.”

10.No compulsion in religion.
With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error”
[Al-Qur’an 2:256].

11.Sword of the Intellect.
It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125:
“Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching;
and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.”
[Al-Qur’an 16:125]

12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984.
An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%.
May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam???

13.Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe.
Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?

It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The past points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

If every westerner and Jew left predominantly Muslim areas


IF?? ......this will never happen^. and yes if you left other peoples lands alone, which you have no right to occupy, they wont have reason to hate you.
you cannot invade countries and expect a warm welcome...have you forgotten european history of colonizing foreign countries and attempting to erase that countries history.

Where such terrorists seek to establish an Islamic theocracy and impose rule of sharia it is sometimes termed 'Islamist.


So, only a terrorist will want an islamic state?....so does that makes me one? , for not wanting the same kind of democracy to spread in my country, as IRAQ.

and continue their mission of spreading Islam as far as possible by any means possible


no not by any means possible, that will be against islam.

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Postby johnnnny » March 24th, 2007, 9:12 am

frozen fire wrote: Get out of their lands and keep your noses Out.


-99.9% the reason why things are fucked up
-muslims do have it bad, i used to be islamaphobic i read about this awhile back and didnt think any of it (not the exact words). I actually hated muslims from what i saw on the television.... after 9/11 cause i thought shit hit the fan.

10.No compulsion in religion.
With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error”
[Al-Qur’an 2:256


-thats true and not alot of people know that, they been lead to think the muslims are just crazy killers....

good post
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Postby johnnnny » April 4th, 2007, 9:21 am

i think mabye i was wrong

10.No compulsion in religion.
With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error”
[Al-Qur’an 2:256].



its too bad islam is repeating the same mistakes as christianity has :cry: , im sure it says that in the quran but i dont think the message is getting forward

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=26672

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Women who answer "Muslim" are set free, but typically soldiers gang-rape those who answer "Christian" then cut off their breasts and leave them to die as an example for others
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Postby frozen fire » April 6th, 2007, 12:39 pm

Women who answer "Muslim" are set free, but typically soldiers gang-rape those who answer "Christian" then cut off their breasts and leave them to die as an example for others


WTF! sick.

its too bad islam is repeating the same mistakes as christianity has


Not Islam, but those who CLAIM to be MUSLIMS.

You cannot say you are a follower of a religion or rule, when you break every commandment of it.

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Postby johnnnny » April 8th, 2007, 8:33 pm

thats true but alot of religons walk down that path of death for some reason, dont know why mabye im wrong. cant be too sure these days i guess
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Postby Sentenza » April 18th, 2007, 10:01 pm

frozen fire wrote:
You cannot say you are a follower of a religion or rule, when you break every commandment of it.

peace.


Its funny though, cause those people always consider themselves as the truest Christians or Muslims.
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Postby frozen fire » April 20th, 2007, 10:22 pm

Sentenza wrote:
frozen fire wrote:
You cannot say you are a follower of a religion or rule, when you break every commandment of it.

peace.


Its funny though, cause those people always consider themselves as the truest Christians or Muslims.


You know, I personnaly keep a distance between myself and any group that has made for itself a new/different name but say they follow the same rules and commandments as everyone else.

Difference in name shows that they have different views... therefore straying from the original path, which they were meant to follow, or say they are following.

This results to picking and choosing of what they like to follow or not....then they start making up their own rules.

And then unspeakable acts will done...in the name of GOD.

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Postby MiChuhSuh » April 21st, 2007, 8:54 pm

frozen fire wrote:
its too bad islam is repeating the same mistakes as christianity has


Not Islam, but those who CLAIM to be MUSLIMS.

You cannot say you are a follower of a religion or rule, when you break every commandment of it.

peace.


same goes for those who claim to be Christians but act against it

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Postby Old Shatterhand » May 27th, 2007, 10:40 am

Historically, there certainly has been Muslim military campaigns. These have sometimes been conducted on a grand scale with all the requisite ruthlessness, forced Islamic conversions upon pain of death, and slave taking. If you want to get started look at some examples, look at the history of Muslim invasions into Africa and Europe.

Take the Muslim expansion into Europe, which was ripe for conquest after the fall of the Roman Empire due to it being split into multiple provinces fighting for control over small regions of territory; in 711, the Umayyad Empire invaded the Iberian peninsula, conquered the Germanic Visigoths and Spain and began to move into France. They took spoils, slaves, and forced conversions upon pain of death. They were stopped cold at Poiters in 732 by the Franks. These Muslim Moorish invaders were a force led by Arab muslims and other peoples from the recently conquered lands of the Umayyad Empire including berbers other North African peoples and is supported by the modern genetic DNA evidence and linguistic evidence. Note that in the east the Roman Empire existed far longer than their Western counterpart and for almost 1000 years protected the West from Muslim expansion and invasion until it fell to the Ottoman Empire.

That's enough to get you started.
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Postby one1hype » August 12th, 2007, 6:25 am

i could give a fuck about the fucking coran theres a verse in the coran that talks about if he/she is not islam and dont believe in the coran than they sould be incapitated...thats fucking twisted and sick...i would rather live in america than some goat fucking country in the middle east...and fuck anti white pro blacks that turn muslim...america is a lot better anyways the ppl that disagree havent been to america and seen its beauty...i would rather side with the jews than those twisted muslims that have crazy and extreme beliefs...lol i swear the coran is made up
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Postby Sentenza » August 18th, 2007, 5:49 am

one1hype wrote:i could give a fu-- about the #%@&#%@ coran theres a verse in the coran that talks about if he/she is not islam and dont believe in the coran than they sould be incapitated...thats #%@&#%@ twisted and sick...i would rather live in america than some goat #%@&#%@ country in the middle east...and fu-- anti white pro blacks that turn muslim...america is a lot better anyways the ppl that disagree havent been to america and seen its beauty...i would rather side with the jews than those twisted muslims that have crazy and extreme beliefs...lol i swear the coran is made up


Stop watching Fox News man.

You have no clue what you are talking about. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, hospitable and polite and cant stand Terrorists themselves.
If you equal AlQuaeda and the likes with Muslims, you might aswell equal the KKK with christians.
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Postby MiChuhSuh » August 18th, 2007, 9:50 am

frozen fire wrote:5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.
Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians.

i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there wouldnot have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.


Arab Christians and Jews (the religion) still got taxed more by many of the emperors, with the justification of "protection money." Even though you have stories about Muhammad returning a poor Jewish man's taxes and examples like that, it doesn't change the way it affected the majority of minorities.

And Arabs sort of took over the Muslim identity, to the point that some Coptic families changed their last name from abdu'lla (servant of Allah) to abdulMessih (sometimes spelled abdelMessih because of the Egyptian accent, but meaning servant of the Messiah). abdelMessih technically does not negate being Muslim since Isa/Yasu is the Messiah in the Qu'ran too, but Egyptian Coptics and Muslims have their own standardization of what is a "Muslim name" and what is a "Christian name."
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Postby Sentenza » August 19th, 2007, 4:13 am

MiChuhSuh wrote:
frozen fire wrote:5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.
Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians.

i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there wouldnot have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.


Arab Christians and Jews (the religion) still got taxed more by many of the emperors, with the justification of "protection money." Even though you have stories about Muhammad returning a poor Jewish man's taxes and examples like that, it doesn't change the way it affected the majority of minorities.

And Arabs sort of took over the Muslim identity, to the point that some Coptic families changed their last name from abdu'lla (servant of Allah) to abdulMessih (sometimes spelled abdelMessih because of the Egyptian accent, but meaning servant of the Messiah). abdelMessih technically does not negate being Muslim since Isa/Yasu is the Messiah in the Qu'ran too, but Egyptian Coptics and Muslims have their own standardization of what is a "Muslim name" and what is a "Christian name."


I am sitting in Cairo as i type this and i can tell you that Copts and Muslims get along pretty well on an everyday basis. Even the Muslim Brotherhood, which is connected to Al Quaeda is trying to involve the Copts in their struggle against the Egyptian government. There are plenty of impressing and old Coptic churches here and the Copts are allowed to sell alcohol, drink, celebrate their holidays and so on. Once in a while tensions seem to flame up, but its nothing serious.
The average guys on the streets get along. End of story.
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Postby Sentenza » August 19th, 2007, 4:16 am

Haha some Egyptians on the street told me, that the biggest problems are with the Gulf Arabs here, because they drink whiskey like holes, molest the women and love to gamble. They cant stand them.
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Postby MiChuhSuh » August 19th, 2007, 12:30 pm

Sentenza wrote:I am sitting in Cairo as i type this and i can tell you that Copts and Muslims get along pretty well on an everyday basis. Even the Muslim Brotherhood, which is connected to Al Quaeda is trying to involve the Copts in their struggle against the Egyptian government. There are plenty of impressing and old Coptic churches here and the Copts are allowed to sell alcohol, drink, celebrate their holidays and so on. Once in a while tensions seem to flame up, but its nothing serious.
The average guys on the streets get along. End of story.


Ya, but I wasn't talking about now. Of course Egyptians Coptics and Muslims get along. That's like saying white people and Asians in America get along - but try saying that in 1943! My point was historical, not current day.

By the way, did you see the "Ghost :lol: Mary" on the Coptic church roof there? :lol:
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Postby Sentenza » August 20th, 2007, 9:59 am

MiChuhSuh wrote:
Sentenza wrote:I am sitting in Cairo as i type this and i can tell you that Copts and Muslims get along pretty well on an everyday basis. Even the Muslim Brotherhood, which is connected to Al Quaeda is trying to involve the Copts in their struggle against the Egyptian government. There are plenty of impressing and old Coptic churches here and the Copts are allowed to sell alcohol, drink, celebrate their holidays and so on. Once in a while tensions seem to flame up, but its nothing serious.
The average guys on the streets get along. End of story.


Ya, but I wasn't talking about now. Of course Egyptians Coptics and Muslims get along. That's like saying white people and Asians in America get along - but try saying that in 1943! My point was historical, not current day.

By the way, did you see the "Ghost :lol: Mary" on the Coptic church roof there? :lol:


Havent gone there yet, but i am planning on it. Too much stuff to see here, enough for years and years......

Theres a Ghetto here called "City of the dead" its a huge graveyard and the poorest of the poor live in the graves there....That tripped me out.
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Postby Sentenza » August 26th, 2007, 7:58 am

MiChuhSuh wrote:
Sentenza wrote:I am sitting in Cairo as i type this and i can tell you that Copts and Muslims get along pretty well on an everyday basis. Even the Muslim Brotherhood, which is connected to Al Quaeda is trying to involve the Copts in their struggle against the Egyptian government. There are plenty of impressing and old Coptic churches here and the Copts are allowed to sell alcohol, drink, celebrate their holidays and so on. Once in a while tensions seem to flame up, but its nothing serious.
The average guys on the streets get along. End of story.


Ya, but I wasn't talking about now. Of course Egyptians Coptics and Muslims get along. That's like saying white people and Asians in America get along - but try saying that in 1943! My point was historical, not current day.

By the way, did you see the "Ghost :lol: Mary" on the Coptic church roof there? :lol:


I was there yesterday, but i am not too sure which one you mean. But Coptic Cairo is definitely an eye opener...
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Postby Champignon » August 26th, 2007, 8:11 am

Just remember not all people who wear a turben are muslims. Remember Sikhs take abuse cause people think there muslim
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Postby MiChuhSuh » August 26th, 2007, 11:23 am

Sentenza wrote:
MiChuhSuh wrote:
Sentenza wrote:I am sitting in Cairo as i type this and i can tell you that Copts and Muslims get along pretty well on an everyday basis. Even the Muslim Brotherhood, which is connected to Al Quaeda is trying to involve the Copts in their struggle against the Egyptian government. There are plenty of impressing and old Coptic churches here and the Copts are allowed to sell alcohol, drink, celebrate their holidays and so on. Once in a while tensions seem to flame up, but its nothing serious.
The average guys on the streets get along. End of story.


Ya, but I wasn't talking about now. Of course Egyptians Coptics and Muslims get along. That's like saying white people and Asians in America get along - but try saying that in 1943! My point was historical, not current day.

By the way, did you see the "Ghost :lol: Mary" on the Coptic church roof there? :lol:


I was there yesterday, but i am not too sure which one you mean. But Coptic Cairo is definitely an eye opener...


maybe it stopped going on but there was Coptic Church which had a "vision of Mary" on its rooftops, it was like a ghost-like light illumination on its roof. Hundreds of people both Coptic and Muslim were there and it supposedly helped bring the two communities a little closer. But I think it was BS personally.
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Postby dziri-officiel » May 7th, 2008, 2:41 am

Israel is the new Nazi Germany, there is no difference ...end of discussion
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Postby thekinks1886 » May 29th, 2008, 4:34 am

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lmao Amerikkka is probably the most facist country in the world[/quote]

What a ridiculous statement- what, more "fascist" than Saudi Arabia, Russia, Egypt, North Korea, Burma etc etc


Nothing annoys me more than spoilt bastards who just act like they are misbehaving to daddy- go and fucking live in Burma then
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