Who killed Jesus?

[frozen fire]

Jesus died for our sins, therefore we area all responsible.

speak for yourself, i dont believe in inherited sins.
anywayz us muslims dont even believe he (JESUS) was killed.
but even if you say he was killed, what difference does it make in who killed him, this happened thousands of years ago? what will you profit??

[Sentenza]

The killing of Jesus resulted in Antisemitism, thats why i brought it up.

[frozen fire]

To hate the jews, you need not look into the past, but at the present.

[EmperorPenguin]

To hate the jews, you need not look into the past, but at the present.

Ouch. Do you mean all jews? I always wonder when people generalize other people if they in fact mean that as a whole or are their specific jews to hate?

[frozen fire]

No not all the jews, the isreali goverment and zionism.

[EmperorPenguin]

No not all the jews, the isreali goverment and zionism.

Ahh ok, those guys. Thanks for clearing that up.

[frozen fire]

Np.

[EmperorPenguin]

Np.

I understand Arab's and muslims feelings towards Jews or atleast those in control and Zionists, it's just when you hear someone say "I hate jews" and they happen to be of Arab decent you tend to think they're generalizing and that they in fact hate anyone who's jewish. That's where my question came in, whether or not you indeed hated all jews or that your hatred was geared toward those that are in control.

Not saying you're an Arab or anything, just from reading your previous posts I assumed you were a follower of Islam to some extent. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[frozen fire]

^^^ nope, your right. I understand your question, which i have answered. I myself do not like people who generalize, its good that you have pointing it out.

[terren2000]

Jesus died for our sins, therefore we area all responsible.

we arent talking about sins. We are talking abou a particular sin.

big difference. No one is saying the jews are bad. is that what you are getting from this conversation?

Jews arent bad people. the past is the past. But if you ask the question i have no choice but to answer.

[terren2000]

That's what i was tryin to imply all throughout the thread but nigga's is too dumb.

yea, but the thread wasn't created for implications. It ask about a particular sin, not about all of our sins.

That particular sin was who killed Jesus. Your implication didnt answer his question, though i get your point.

[terren2000]

Jesus died for our sins, therefore we area all responsible.

speak for yourself, i dont believe in inherited sins.
anywayz us muslims dont even believe he (JESUS) was killed.
but even if you say he was killed, what difference does it make in who killed him, this happened thousands of years ago? what will you profit??

What difference does it make you enslaved blacks what will you profit?

What difference does it make who killed King?

It makes alot of difference. history should be accurate.

Would you not care who killed you mother, because it was years ago? id want to know regardless. Whether it brought her back or not.

[terren2000]

No not all the jews, the isreali goverment and zionism.

Israeli will make a strong power move politically very soon. They grow stronger and stronger.

Its clear, most Christians will ride with the Jews, before the Muslims or Mormons or Catholics.

Our ties with the Jews are deep, but not as deep as it use to be. Its just the young Jews and young Christians that be getting crap started. but the older cats are cool.

Christians the deepest though. We got a gang of denominations.

[Sentenza]

Our ties with the Jews are deep, but not as deep as it use to be.

But also the historical animosity towards Jews runs deep within Christianity. Thats why i try to tell everybody not to pas on this lie, that Jews didnt kill Jesus.

[Sentenza]

Of course i meant "THE LIE THAT THE JEWS KILLED JESUS."

[terren2000]

Our ties with the Jews are deep, but not as deep as it use to be.

But also the historical animosity towards Jews runs deep within Christianity. Thats why i try to tell everybody not to pas on this lie, that Jews didnt kill Jesus.

I see your point. But religious people take the Bible as their only real source of history regarding their religion.

SO if the Bible gives the jews partial blame, than why would a religion person not acknowledge it?

And again. Those who practice hate towards the jews arent Christians, sinse we have strong ties with them.

Why you think bush and America always coming to the Jews aid against Muslims?

The Bible says Christ will come back for the Jews 1st, and will make their enemies his footstool. And im not trying to be some1 footstool.

SO I defend Judaism as i do Christianity. But the Bibel records them as murdering him and other prophets.

Alot of prophets that were stoned were stoned by Jews, not Romans, the Bible is clear on that.

[Sentenza]

SO if the Bible gives the jews partial blame, than why would a religion person not acknowledge it?

Because the Bible is wrong about that.

And again. Those who practice hate towards the jews arent Christians, sinse we have strong ties with them.

There have been and there are still MANY antisemitic Christians. In the medieval Jews were killed left and right in Europe.

Why you think bush and America always coming to the Jews aid against Muslims?

Because Israel is the Spearhead of Americas interests in the middle East.

Alot of prophets that were stoned were stoned by Jews, not Romans, the Bible is clear on that.

Which ones? I really dont know right now.

[PELON]

[Brown Street]

Sir, I must ask you-what research have you (yes you) done on the First Ecumenical Council, also known as the First Council of Nicea? To be truthful, the "information" you mention iin your post is quite misleading, as well as extremely scant and biased.

Also, your statement that the books "left out" of the Canon of Scripture by the Holy Fathers of the Counicl of Nicea are to be found in the Book of Mormon is MORE than misleading-it is patently false.
The Book of Mormon has absolutely NOTHING to do with either the New Testament, nor the books that were, as you mentioned, "left out." While I am sure that you are totally mystified as to the truth about why these books were left out, you are certainly also mystified by the contents of the Book of Mormon.
The Book of Mormon "appeared" in this world, according to Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, as a book inscrobed in an ancioent and unknown language on golden plates. The plates came to Smith, as he told it, as a gift from the angel Moroni, who also quite obligingly translated this unknown language into English for Smith. After the translation was made, the plates unfortunately-or, fortunately-however you may look at it-disappeared.
The Book of Mormon presents an unChristian doctrine, going from science fiction like stories to telling the fate of the Lost tribes of Israel-they settled in the area that was later know as The United States of America. While the Mormons, of cour4se, still believe this fable, there has NEVER been any evidence whatosver to testify to the fact of Lost Tribes of Israel inhabiting North America.
The books "left out" of the Canon of Scripture by the Holy Fathers of the First Council of Nicea were a mish mosh of so-called "Gospels," that claimed to be authored by different persons known to us from the Life of Christ, and included apocryphal stories concering the life of Jesus as a child, and later, even going so far as to claim a "marriage" between Jesus and Saint Mary Magdelene. Several of these false "Gospels" also were heavy on Gnostic doctrines, which had more in common with the paganism of Rome and Greece than with Christianity.
The Book of Mormon is even more of a fairy tale than these so-called "Gospels." However, IT DOES NOT concern itself with Gnostic doctrines, not any of the other materials from these books that were "left out." And, of course, the books that were "left out" have absolutely nothing at all to do with Lost Tribes of Israel inhabiting North America! In short, the books "left out" as you refer to it, have absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with the Book of Mormon-NOTHING, in any way, shape, or form!
It would behoove you, sir, to look into the First Council of Nicea from a historical viewpoint, and find out what truly happened there (a good place to start would be the "Nicene and Post Nicene Fathers, Series II, at www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-14/TOC.htm), rather than simply contiunue to repeat the nonsense from some tract that seemingly includes no knowledge about the First Council of Nicea!
Also, Christianity was not "founded" at the First Council of Nicea, but on the First Pentecost in 33 A.D., when the APostles and disciples of Christ gathered together to institute the Church of Christ.

[Brown Street]

I have a final question regarding Mr. X's pronouncement upon the Book of Mormon.

While many of the Holy Books of many different religions are looked upon wioth respect, admiration, and, in some cases, bel;ief in the prophecies, etc., contained therein, it is a different stroy with the Book of Mormon.

The Book of Mormon is NOT looked upon favorably by any other faith, religion, philosophical system, denomination, sect, cult, etc., etc., etc. In fact, the Book of Mormon's "revelations" about the Lost Trbes of Israel ending up in North America are simply looked at as ridiculous.

Of course, those who oppose Mormonism categorically deny that there is any truth, or good, in the Book of Mormon. On the other side, the Mormon have many claims about what the Book of Mormon says, and of course, the Lost Tribes of Israel settling in North America is one of those claims.

The claim of Mr. X, that the Book of Mormon includes those books he refers to as "left out" from the Canon of Christian Scripture by the First Council of Nicea, interstingly enough, is NOT a claim made by the Mormons themselves!

So, my question to Mr., X is this-sir, how did you arrive at the supposed "fact" that the Book of Mormon includes those books "left out" by the First Council of Nicea? Was this a personal revelation, or did you find it sonmewhere, or . . . ??? And, why in the world would you claim something for the Book of Mormon that the Mormons themselves do not now and never have claimed for the Book of Mormon?

I suppose it stands in how one looks at those booksa "left out" by the First Council of Nicea, but this claim for the Book of Mormon could be praise or damnation!

In short, Mr. X, I would look into how the Mormons feel about your claim if I were you, especially before you make any travel plans that include visiting Salt Lake City!

Humor aside, I would very much appreciate it indeed if you could let us all know how you did arrive at this position of yours on the contents of the Book of Mormon.