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What makes "Good Friday" Good??

Unread post by frozen fire » March 1st, 2007, 9:18 am

WARNING: reading any of the below, can change your life!

"CHRIST" NOT A NAME

Over a thousand million Christians today blindly accept that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ. They produce "a thousand and one" prophecies from the Jewish Bible (the Old Testament) to prove their claim that Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. Let us hold the thousand" prophecies in abeyance for a moment and examine the only unequivocal claim made by Jesus in the Gospels and examine whether he fulfilled his promise to the Jews.

We must admit that the word CHRIST is not a name. It is a title. It is a translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, meaning "anointed." The Greek word for "anointed" is Christos from which we get the word Christ.

Priests and kings were "anointed" when being consecrated to their office. The Holy Bible confers this title even on a heathen king CYRUS (Isaiah 45:1).

We are reminded in the Gospel of St.Luke that "WHEN EIGHT DAYS WERE ACCOMPLISHED FOR THE CIRCUMCISING OF THE CHILD, HIS NAME WAS CALLED JESUS, WHICH WAS SO NAMED OF THE ANGEL BEFORE HE WAS CONCEIVED IN THE WOMB." (Luke 2:21). The name that was given to Mary for her yet unborn son was JESUS and NOT Christ. It was only after his baptism at the hands of John the Baptist that he, Jesus, claimed to be the Christ. The Jews were not the ones to accept his claim on its face value. They wanted proof!

MIRACLE AS PROOF

Matthew records that the learned men among the Jews - the Scribes and Pharisees - came to Jesus and asked, "MASTER, WE WOULD SEE A SIGN FROM THEE". (Matthew 12:38). What they really wanted was some "magic trick," some "sleight of hand" like producing a rabbit out of a hat or walking on the water or flying in the air or trodding on burning coal. This is the type of "sign" or MIRACLE they were looking for. The Jews mistook him for a sorcerer, a wizard, a charlatan.

NO "SIGN" BUT ONE

With righteous indignation Jesus replies: "AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION SEEKETH AFTER A SIGN; AND THERE SHALL NO SIGN (no miracle) BE GIVEN TO IT, BUT THE SIGN (miracle) OF THE PROPHET JONAS: FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE'S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH." Matthew 12:39-40). Jesus says, "NO SIGN." He does not refer the Jews to blind Bartimeus whose sight he had restored. He does not speak about the "woman with issues" who was healed by merely touching him; or about the 2000 pigs he had destroyed to heal "a man possessed;" or the 5000 and the 3000 people he had fed and satiated with a few pieces of fish and a few pieces of bread. "No sign," says Jesus, BUT ONE! - "THE SIGN OF THE PROPHET JONAS!" He is putting all his "eggs" in one basket. His claim to being the Messiah (Christ) stands or falls the ONLY "sign" he was prepared to give.
Did Jesus fulfill the only sign he gave? Christendom answers with a unanimous Y-E-S! without heeding the Biblical advice - 'not to take things for granted.' - but "PROVE ALL THINGS!" (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

JONAH FLEES HIS CALL

What was the "sign" (miracle) of Jonah? We have to go to the "Book of Jonah" in the Old Testament to find out. God commanded Jonah to go to Nineveh and warn the Ninevites to repent from their "evil ways, and from the violence that is in their hands." (Jonah 3:8) But Jonah was loath to go as a warner unto the Ninevites, so he goes to Joppa instead of Ninevah, and takes a boat to run away from the Lord's command.

While at sea, there was a terrible tempest. According to the superstition of the mariners, a person fleeing from his Master's command creates such a turmoil at sea. They began to enquire among themselves and said, "COME, AND LET US CAST LOTS, (like the tossing of a coin, "head" or "tail") THAT WE MAY KNOW FOR WHOSE CAUSE THIS EVIL IS UPON US. SO THEY CAST LOTS, AND THE LOT FELL UPON JONAH." (Jonah 1:7). Though here was a temporary lapse on the part of Jonah in fulfilling his mission, he manfully and most outrageously volunteers: "AND HE SAID UNTO THEM TAKE ME UP, AND CAST ME FORTH INTO THE SEA; SO SHALL THE SEA BE CALM UNTO YOU: FOR I KNOW THAT FOR MY SAKE THIS GREAT TEMPEST IS UPON YOU." (Jonah 1:12)

DEAD OR ALIVE?

Since Jonah was selflessly offering himself as a "vicarious" sacrifice there was no need for strangling him before throwing him into the sea, no need to spear him or break his arm or limb. In his own words: "TAKE ME UP AND CAST ME FORTH." The question now arises, that when the shipmaster and the crew threw him overboard, was Jonah dead or alive? Any Christian child who has attended Sunday School will give an immediate reply: "ALIVE!" The storm subsides. Was this perhaps a coincidence? A fish swallows Jonah. Was he dead or alive when swallowed? The answer again is "ALIVE" Was he dead or alive when "JONAH PRAYED UNTO THE LORD HIS GOD OUT OF THE FISH'S BELLY?" (Jonah 2:1)

Surely dead men don't cry and don't pray! The answer again is "ALIVE" For three days and three nights the fish takes him around the ocean: dead or alive? "ALIVE!" is the answer. On the third day it vomits him on the seashore: dead or alive? A-L-I-V-E, of course! What had Jesus prophesied about himself? He said: "AS JONAH WAS ..... SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE" LIKE JONAH. And how was Jonah? Was he dead or alive for three days and three nights? Alive! ALIVE! ALIVE! is the unanimous answer from the Jew, the Christian and the Muslim!

UNLIKE JONAH

If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold! But Christianity hangs on the flimsy thread of the death" of Jesus for its salvation. So it has to answer that Jesus was DEAD for three days and three nights. The contradiction between his utterance and its fulfilment is obvious. Jonah ALIVE, Jesus DEAD! Very UNLIKE Jonah! Jesus had said "LIKE Jonah" not UNLIKE Jonah. If this is true then according to his own test Jesus is not the TRUE Messiah of the Jews. If the Gospel record is genuine then how can we blame the Jews for rejecting "CHRIST".

THREE AND THREE = 72 HOURS?

The Doctor of Divinity and the Professor of Theology replies that in Matthew 12:40 under discussion, the emphasis is on the TIME factor - "as Jonas was THREE days and THREE nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth." "Please note," says the learned theologian, "that the word "THREE" is repeated F-O-U-R times in this verse to prove that Jesus was going to fulfil the prophecy as regards the length of time he was going to remain in the tomb, and NOT 'As Jonas was' in relation to his being alive or dead. If it is the time factor that Jesus was stressing then let us ask whether he fulfilled that aspect of his promise to the Jews as well. The Christian dogmatist answers: "OF COURSE!"

PUBLIC HOLIDAY

The question arises: when was Christ crucified? The whole Christian world answers: "FRIDAY!" Is this the reason we celebrate "Good Friday" - as a Public Holiday in every Christian nation from America to Zambia, from Abyssinia to Zaire at Easter? What makes Good Friday" so good? "it is the death of Christ on the Cross on this day to wash off our sins," says the Christians. So he was killed on the cross on a Friday, 19xx years ago? "YES!" says the Christians. From the Gospel records we gather that the Jews were in a hurry to eliminate Jesus. Hence the midnight trial, and then dispatching him off to Pilate in the morning; from Pilate to Herod and then back again to Pilate. The vested interests were afraid of the general public. Jesus was their hero. He had been their benefactor. His enemies had to do away with him quickly, and succeeded in doing so. However, as much as they were in a hurry to hang him on the cross, they were in equal hurry to bring him down from the cross before sunset on Friday because of the Sabbath. The Sabbath starts at about 6 p.m. on Friday and the Jews were warned in Deuteronomy 21:23 that the victim of crucifixion was an "accursed of God" and was not to be permitted to remain hanging on the Sabbath day, "that thy land be not defiled which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance."

To satisfy the religious scruples of the Scribes and Pharisees the "secret disciples" of Jesus took down the body from the cross. They gave the body the Jewish burial-bath, plastered it with "one hundred pounds weight of aaloes and myrrh" (John 19:39), then placed the shrouded body into the sepulcher before night-fall.

WHY "SUPPOSED"?

There are numerous differences between the various sects and denominations of Christianity, but on the above they are unanimous. Jesus is SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Friday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the day of Saturday. He is still SUPPOSED to be in the tomb on the night of Saturday. Christians agree whole-heartedly with this. It will be noted that I have repeated the word 'SUPPOSED' three times. The reason is that the Gospels are silent as to when exactly Jesus came out of the tomb. He could have been taken away on Friday night by his "secret disciples" to a more congenial and restful place, but I have no right to assume about what the Gospel writers are silent. I have, therefore, repeated the word 'SUPPOSED' three times.

In the final analysis, let us see whether Jesus was THREE days and THREE nights in the tomb:-

EASTER WEEK IN THE SEPULCHER:

FRIDAY - placed in tomb just before sunset
day - nil -
One night

SATURDAY - supposed to be in tomb
One day
One night

SUNDAY - missing before sunrise
day- nil -
day- nil -

TOTAL
One Day
Two Nights



You will no doubt note that the GRAND TOTAL is ONE day and TWO nights, and NOT three days and three nights. According to the Christian Scriptures Jesus had failed a SECOND time. FIRST he was unlike Jonah, who was ALIVE in the belly of the fish, which is the exact opposite of what the Christians claim had happened to their master Jesus, who was DEAD for the same period of time as Jonah was - ALIVE.
SECONDLY, we discover that he also failed to fulfill the TIME FACTOR as well. The greatest mathematician in Christendom will fail to obtain the desired result - THREE days and THREE nights. We must not forget that the Gospels are explicit in telling us that it was "before sunrise" on Sunday morning (the FIRST day of the week), that Mary Magdalene went to the tomb of Jesus and found it empty.

"GOOD" WEDNESDAY

The Armstrong family has debunked the whole Christian world. They seem to know their arithmetic! Mr Robert Fahey of the "Plain Truth" magazine, delivered a lecture recently at the "Holiday Inn,' Durban, where I was present. Mr Fahey attempted to prove to his Christian audience that Jesus Christ was crucified on a Wednesday and not on Friday, as is supposed by Orthodox Christianity for the past two thousand years. According to him if one counts backwards from Sunday morning deducting 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS, one ought to get WEDNESDAY as the answer.

I congratulated Mr Fahey for his ingenuity. I asked him, how was it possible for the past two thousand years the whole Christian world celebrated GOOD FRIDAY instead of GOOD WEDNESDAY. Thus the 1,200,000,000 Christians of the world today are ignorant of the correct day of the so called crucifixion! It means that even the Roman Catholic Church – which claims an unbroken chain of Popes from Peter to this day - according to Mr Fahey are mislead.

GOD OR THE DEVIL?

The question arises, who deceived the millions of Christians for the past TWO THOUSAND years. GOD or the DEVIL? Mr Fahey categorically answered: "THE DEVIL!" "If the devil," I said, "can succeed in confusing the Christians in the most elementary things of their Faith, whether to celebrate a Good Friday or a Good Wednesday, then how much easier for him to mislead Christians in other things concerning God?" Mr Fahey blushed and walked away.

If this is the belief of the trend-setters of the Christian Faith in the world today, may we not then ask: is this not the mightiest hoax in history?

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Unread post by 'X' » March 1st, 2007, 11:33 am

TEEEEACH!!

Brutha they're not ready though!...


This reminds me of what my Minister said...

Quote from Minister Farrakhan-

"It is said He would be dead for three days. He dies on a Friday and on early Sunday morning He gets up, but, He did not die early Friday morning because he was on the cross for 11 to12 hours just hanging there, before He finally gave up the ghost. So, that had to be Friday evening. From Friday evening until Saturday evening is 24 hours. From Saturday evening until Sunday evening would be 48 hours. So, what are you talking about three days in the grave? "


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Unread post by frozen fire » March 1st, 2007, 11:40 am

note:
this is done by brother Ahmed Deedat. a famous scholar, i watched this talk on television, alot of his work has been made on video, for those who wish to know more, his work is easily accessible on the net.

peace.

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Unread post by frozen fire » March 1st, 2007, 12:14 pm

SUNDAY - missing before sunrise
day- nil -
night- nil -
correction

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Unread post by Oaktown_G » March 3rd, 2007, 3:49 pm

Thank you for posting this there has never been a ponit to celebrate good friday thats why i've never done it all people have to do is count and you will see that the days are off alot of people are still stuck on the european christianity :(

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Unread post by 'X' » March 3rd, 2007, 4:11 pm

Oaktown_G wrote: people are still stuck on the european christianity

What other "christianity" is it?

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Unread post by Sentenza » March 3rd, 2007, 10:04 pm

Did you know that american Christianity is very much different from european? As much as Pakistani Islam is from Turkish Islam.....

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » March 4th, 2007, 8:10 pm

frozen fire wrote:WARNING: reading any of the below, can change your life!

"CHRIST" NOT A NAME

We must admit that the word CHRIST is not a name. It is a title. It is a translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, meaning "anointed." The Greek word for "anointed" is Christos from which we get the word Christ.
No one ever said Christ was a name, how is this life-changing? In never met a serious Christian who did not know this.The Greek word for "anointed" is Christos from which we get the word Christ.
Priests and kings were "anointed" when being consecrated to their office. The Holy Bible confers this title even on a heathen king CYRUS (Isaiah 45:1).
This part was obviously written with either no understanding of the Bible or with intent to deceive. Being "annointed" and being "THE annointed one" are two completely different concepts. Saying "Luke Walton is a white basketball player" is different from saying "LARRY BIRD WAS THE GREATEST WHITE BASKETBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME."


If Jonah was alive for three days and three nights, then Jesus also ought to have been alive in the tomb as he himself had foretold! But Christianity hangs on the flimsy thread of the death" of Jesus for its salvation. So it has to answer that Jesus was DEAD for three days and three nights. The contradiction between his utterance and its fulfilment is obvious. Jonah ALIVE, Jesus DEAD! Very UNLIKE Jonah! Jesus had said "LIKE Jonah" not UNLIKE Jonah. If this is true then according to his own test Jesus is not the TRUE Messiah of the Jews. If the Gospel record is genuine then how can we blame the Jews for rejecting "CHRIST".
THREE AND THREE = 72 HOURS?

The Doctor of Divinity and the Professor of Theology replies that in Matthew 12:40 under discussion, the emphasis is on the TIME factor - "as Jonas was THREE days and THREE nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be THREE days and THREE nights in the heart of the earth." "Please note," says the learned theologian, "that the word "THREE" is repeated F-O-U-R times in this verse to prove that Jesus was going to fulfil the prophecy as regards the length of time he was going to remain in the tomb, and NOT 'As Jonas was' in relation to his being alive or dead. If it is the time factor that Jesus was stressing then let us ask whether he fulfilled that aspect of his promise to the Jews as well. The Christian dogmatist answers: "OF COURSE!"
This shows lack of understanding of the Jewish culture at the time. Days were not counted by hours but by instances.

If this is the belief of the trend-setters of the Christian Faith in the world today, may we not then ask: is this not the mightiest hoax in history?
Najee Ali acts like a punk all the time, Jesse Jackson shakes hand with a man that said "50 years ago we would have hung you off a tree," Al Sharpton goes on TV to support a con artist stealing from the poor, hopeless people in Brooklyn ("Master Prophet Bishop" Elijah Bernard Jordan) and BET is spreading BS. Does that mean I think this represents black people? No, and I think these people/groups are harming black people.

Osama bin Laden oppressed Afghanistan and used politics to push his own popularity, Saddam oppressed the majority of Iraq, some other "Islamic" terrorists blew up a train in Madrid. Does that make me think Arabs and Muslims are all crazy? No, two of my best friends are Arabs and even when they are protesting against America (they are politically active) they still keep a cool head and a good rational about them.

Just because so-called "trendsetters" are full of BS doesn't mean anything.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » March 4th, 2007, 8:10 pm

'X' wrote:
Oaktown_G wrote: people are still stuck on the european christianity

What other "christianity" is it?
Real Christianity.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » March 4th, 2007, 8:14 pm

Sentenza wrote:Did you know that american Christianity is very much different from european? As much as Pakistani Islam is from Turkish Islam.....
Very true. But here in the US there is a growing movement back to "orginal" Christianity that is catching on in more Churchs. A lot of "traditional" churches and cathedrals still give out BS but in the past 7 years or so I've seen changes/corrections in the right direction among non-denominational churches (like Calvary Chapels), Korean-American Presbytarians (different from American Presbytarian) and other groups that are a little "modern" I guess compared to the people who still think dressing up in robes makes you more "holy."

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Unread post by Oaktown_G » March 6th, 2007, 1:25 am

'X' wrote:
Oaktown_G wrote: people are still stuck on the european christianity

What other "christianity" is it?


I meant there stuck on the european teachings they still think sunday is the day you r supposed to go to church.

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Unread post by Brown Street » August 21st, 2007, 8:38 pm

This is nothing more than a lot of playing with words. Which is especially interesting when coming form someone who is completely ignorant of source material, and the languages that the source materials were written in. It is laughable!

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Unread post by pistolslanga » October 23rd, 2007, 8:34 pm

iono but i got shot in my leg and chest on good friday in longbeach

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Unread post by TarHeelRED » December 12th, 2007, 12:17 am

[quote="'X'"]TEEEEACH!!

Brutha they're not ready though!...


This reminds me of what my Minister said...

Quote from Minister Farrakhan-

"It is said He would be dead for three days. He dies on a Friday and on early Sunday morning He gets up, but, He did not die early Friday morning because he was on the cross for 11 to12 hours just hanging there, before He finally gave up the ghost. So, that had to be Friday evening. From Friday evening until Saturday evening is 24 hours. From Saturday evening until Sunday evening would be 48 hours. So, what are you talking about three days in the grave? "

I also concede with the belief that Jesus WAS NOT crucified on Friday!!! I believe in Good Wednesday. Why? Because........

http://www.biblelineministries.org/arti ... JESUS+RISE+
FROM+THE+DEAD%3F

Moreover Yeshuah DID NOT rise from the dead on Sunday morning........

http://www.biblelineministries.org/arti ... +FRIDAY%3F

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Unread post by TarHeelRED » December 12th, 2007, 12:18 am

[quote="'X'"]TEEEEACH!!

Brutha they're not ready though!...


This reminds me of what my Minister said...

Quote from Minister Farrakhan-

"It is said He would be dead for three days. He dies on a Friday and on early Sunday morning He gets up, but, He did not die early Friday morning because he was on the cross for 11 to12 hours just hanging there, before He finally gave up the ghost. So, that had to be Friday evening. From Friday evening until Saturday evening is 24 hours. From Saturday evening until Sunday evening would be 48 hours. So, what are you talking about three days in the grave? "

I also concede with the belief that Jesus WAS NOT crucified on Friday!!! I believe in Good Wednesday. Why? Because........

http://www.biblelineministries.org/arti ... JESUS+RISE+
FROM+THE+DEAD%3F

Moreover Yeshuah DID NOT rise from the dead on Sunday morning........

http://www.biblelineministries.org/arti ... +FRIDAY%3F

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Unread post by TarHeelRED » December 12th, 2007, 12:26 am

TarHeelRED wrote:


http://www.biblelineministries.org/arti ... JESUS+RISE+
FROM+THE+DEAD%3F

Sorry but this link didn't come out correctly on the forum: this is the correct link:
http://www.biblelineministries.org/arti ... HE+DEAD%3F

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