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Taliban returning to Afghanistan!

Unread post by frozen fire » April 20th, 2007, 9:21 pm

More than five years after the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan that ousted the Taliban regime, Afghans say their lives have become more insecure.

"We have more bloodshed, more poverty and more grievances than during the Taliban's time," Haji Agha, a resident of Lashkargah, the provincial capital, told IRIN.

Taliban military chief Mullah Dadullah has been quoted recently as saying that thousands of Taliban fighters have been deployed across Afghanistan and are preparing to attack occupation bases as well as the puppet Afghan Government.

Mullah Dadullah’s remarks, which were rejected by Afghan Defence Ministry spokesman Zahir Azimi who labeled them as “psychological tactics”, came to assert a recent assessment by two Afghanistan experts who suggested recently that the situation in the war-torn country was getting out of control of the occupation and NATO forces, citing fledging support of Afghans to the NATO mission, probably as a result of recent surge in civilian casualties as a result of indiscriminate NATO and occupation forces’ attacks.

Over 4,000 people, a quarter of them civilians, according to Reuters, were killed last year.

Speaking to Commons committee, U.S. scholar Barnett Rubin and Gordon Smith painted a bleak image for the situation in Afghanistan.

Their remarks as well as remarks by Mullah Dadullah contradicted a statement made a few days earlier by Canada's top military commander, Gen. Rick Hillier, who claimed that great progress is being made in Afghanistan.

On one hand, Dadullah asserted that Taliban, which although ousted from power in 2001 its fighters maintained a hit-and-run guerrilla war against U.S.-led occupation and Afghan forces, now has the ability and the weapons to fight foreign troops for a long time.

"We have sent thousands of Taliban fighters to all Afghan cities for attacks on foreign troops and their Afghan puppets," Dadullah said.

"We will turn our motherland into the graveyard of the U.S. forces and their families should wait for their dead bodies.

"The Taliban's war is only for the freedom of Afghanistan from the enemies of Muslims."

On the other hand, Rubin, who has been to Afghanistan 29 times, believes that Afghans’ anger over the failure of the Western powers to stabilize the country is growing day after day.

Their support to the NATO forces is fading away, he said.

"They're not at all happy. Support for both the international presence and the government has plummeted in the past year or so," he told the foreign affairs committee, adding that Afghans’ anger is stemming from the failure of the occupation forces to bring the stability and democracy the U.S. boasted about prior the occupation.

"The main complaint that I hear from Afghans is ... that we haven't delivered what they think we promised."

Also political experts attribute the possible return of Taliban to the lack of development in Afghanistan.

"People are poor, unemployed and affected by drought. Instead of offering them assistance to survive, the government has eradicated their poppy fields and has installed corrupt and incompetent provincial officials," Engineer Matin, an MP from Helmand, said.

In a recent article published in Foreign Affairs magazine, Rubin warned that Afghanistan "is at risk of collapsing into chaos," attributing that to the underestimation of the influence of Pakistan, a strong ally in Bush’s so-called “war on terrorism”, by Washington.

He said Pakistan has become a "safe haven" to the Taliban.

On the other hand, Smith, now executive director of the Centre for Global Studies at the University of Victoria, suggested that there’s growing evidence that fighters with ties to Osama Bin Laden’s Al Qaeda network are more potent than before.

"The Al Qaeda problem has not gone away," he told MPs. "It's important that we not forget the original motivation for going to Afghanistan, and that was to deal with Al Qaeda."

In a recently released report titled Canada in Afghanistan: Is it Working? Smith raised questions over whether the occupation and the NATO forces can achieve their goals in Afghanistan or not, even within 10 years.

The U.S.-led occupation overthrew the Taliban regime after its leadership refused to hand over Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden following the September 11 attacks on the United States, which Washington blames on Al Qaeda network.

But the U.S. is failing to win the so-called “war on terrorism”.

The Bush administration’s campaign has undertaken an active and highly publicized agenda domestically and overseas to rid the world of “evildoers,” but as remarks and assessments in this article made clear, more than fiver years after embarking on this campaign following 9/11, the American public hasn’t become freer or safer, both at home and when traveling.

Bush’s administration’s foreign policies have only ensured Americans will see both their security and liberty eroded.

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Unread post by frozen fire » April 20th, 2007, 9:26 pm

The reason the middle east is in crisis, the reason that things have gotten out of control is, that the US plan for the middle east was not to bring peace and stability!

Because if they wanted peace in the middle east....they would not have handled the sitution like they have.

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 26th, 2007, 3:38 am

frozen fire wrote:The reason the middle east is in crisis, the reason that things have gotten out of control is, that the US plan for the middle east was not to bring peace and stability!

Because if they wanted peace in the middle east....they would not have handled the sitution like they have.
I agree. I guess they wanted some kind of stability, but under very unrealistic conditions and for shady reasons (the huge Pipeline project, which avoids Iran etc.)

Fuck the Taliban though, they are among one of the worst movements of all time and i say that cause i have heard first hand stories by a friend of mine who came from Kabul. They give Muslims a bad name.

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Unread post by BandeR » April 26th, 2007, 6:48 am

:arrow: Our country (Russia) lost a lot of young soldiers (R.I.P.) in Afganistan & 10 years after in Chechnya...
dont repeat our mistakes...there are no country in the world, who can win the war in that countries ... :idea: :!:

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 26th, 2007, 10:12 am

Actually the Afghans have managed to fight of every colonial power that tried to occupy them the British , the Russians etc.
But the Taliban are no Afghans, thats the problem.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » April 27th, 2007, 11:43 pm

^ Meaning that the Afghans HAVE been conquered by a foreign power - the Taliban

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Unread post by EmperorPenguin » April 28th, 2007, 9:35 am

MiChuhSuh wrote:^ Meaning that the Afghans HAVE been conquered by a foreign power - the Taliban
Weren't they voted in, or slowly intergrated themselves politically? I don't know if that's conquered so much as conned.

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 28th, 2007, 10:39 am

MiChuhSuh wrote:^ Meaning that the Afghans HAVE been conquered by a foreign power - the Taliban
No, not the northern part.

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » April 28th, 2007, 10:55 am

^The Northern Alliance is mostly Uzbekistani

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Unread post by johnnnny » April 28th, 2007, 10:57 am

is the Taliban mostly ethnic Pashtuns? or is the Taliban a mix of all the different groups in afghanistan that fight together?

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Unread post by MiChuhSuh » April 28th, 2007, 11:03 am

See I know most of the "foot soldiers" were Pashtun and therefore "Afghan" in some ethnic sense, but
The Taliban was, and still may be headed by Mullah Mohammed Omar. Beneath him were village mullahs (junior Islamic religious scholars), most of whom had studied in Islamic religious schools in Pakistan. Almost 98% of the Taliban movement was derived from the Pashtuns of southern Afghanistan and north-western Pakistan, but it also included a small percentage of non-Pashtun volunteers from Eurasia to China. The Taliban recieved valuable training and arms from the Pakistani government, particularly the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and many rank and file recruits from Madrasahs for Afghan refugees in Pakistan, particularly ones associated with the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam JUI.
they were headed and moved by Pakistanis

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Unread post by johnnnny » April 28th, 2007, 11:07 am

interesting

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Unread post by Sentenza » April 28th, 2007, 11:17 am

MiChuhSuh wrote:^The Northern Alliance is mostly Uzbekistani
Ok yea, we both know that the story is quite complex and Afghanistan has always been a melting pot of many different cultures. I think Shiites were also part of the Norther Alliance, supported by Iran. I dont know, but i think their leader was either Hekmatyar or Dostum...one of both. At the end of the day they were not less violent then the Taliban though.
johnnnny wrote:is the Taliban mostly ethnic Pashtuns? or is the Taliban a mix of all the different groups in afghanistan that fight together?
I think mostly Pashtuns, which make up the largest part of the population in south east afghanistan and western Pakistan. But originally the Taliban (which means "Students" in arabic) came out of Pakistani Quran school called Madrassas whose teachings are pretty extremist obviously. Those schools in that area were very influenced by anti colonial islamic fundamentalists of the early 20th century, like the Deobandi movement etc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi).
It doesnt get much more fundamentalist then that. And they are again supported by Saudi Arabia, whose Wahabbi ideology is pretty similar to the Taliban in its extremistic interpretation of the Quran. And both again are deadly enemies of Iran and Shiites who will support any enemy of the Taliban. Occasionally during the 90s Iran almost invaded Afghnaistan to avoid a takeover of the Taliban.
The whole situation is very complex as you see.

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Unread post by johnnnny » April 28th, 2007, 11:33 am

shit you guys your stuff lol

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Unread post by johnnnny » April 28th, 2007, 11:39 am

Edit: You guys know your shit lol

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Unread post by streetsIswatchin » June 5th, 2007, 12:26 am

Theres no oil in Afghanistan, theres no natural resources there at all, thats why the US lost it's focus there and thats why the Taliban is coming back to bite the US in the ass.

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