How to end Gang violence

[Sentenza]

And another problem i see is, that since this dream is anchored in american society, it frees society and government to do something for the poor, since everybody has equal opportunities and its your own fault if you are poor.

Which is not true in most of the cases.

[MiChuhSuh]

Who said we have equal opportunity?

No society on earth has or ever had equal opportunity. It's an economic impossiblility.

Let me give you an example. I know two twins that are the same in almost every way, same classes, same sports, and same parental and familial support.

One got into UC Berkeley and won countless awards, the other went to UCLA (which isn't bad) and got about half the achievements of his brother.

The one that went to UC Berkeley simply put in more time (I know). So what does that mean?

It means that even if society was equal, at the end of their generation diffeerences would arise. Now that one twin will make more money, even if their kids are the "same" one will have more economic support. And so on and so on.

Even communists (WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN COMMUNIST COUNTRIES) now admit that their is no such thing as an even playing field, and that the best thing we can do give people the most support possible but not assume that this means eveness.

From my own religion, I believe the closest thing to the nature of my belief is
1. "Private Communism"
2. Public Capitalism

What does "Private Communism" mean? I know it's an oxymoron, but it means what I own I share. On the other hand, I do not expect anyone to return the favor, since I will not force anyone else into communism, which means "Public Capitalism." It would be exceeding my authority to try to force others into doing anything. Even God allows free will, so who am I to force communism in others?



On the other hand many communists in America (different from actually experience communists) practice private capitalism and "all talk" communism. I know on my campus the greediest professor EVER is the only communists and all day long he shouts about how communism is right and that people if educated and given opportunity will not be greedy. But he never chips in money in any activities, doesn't even bring something to parties, and keeps his time and effort only for his required work and never gives extra help to his students. So finally someone approached him and said, "You are preaching communism and assuming human beings are not greedy, but you are the worst form of corrupted capitalism and you yourself act greedy. So why would you believe in a system where it is assumed human beings are not greedy?"

He shut up, but next quarter he was back on the commie train.

[Noog]

Old fashioned idea about ending gang violence....if gang violence can be seen as a reaction to inhamane and unliveable circumstances, of the perverse gaps between rich and poor, those with access to what we need to thrive and those with no access....then a massive nationwide social renewal is the answer...that means states and counties etc starting MASSIVE civic renewal...that means massive programmes of building quality housing stock, it means schools which serve pupils who are the most disadvantaged and are places of excellence, it means big business helping out wholesale by providing access to real training and real jobs, it means real training centres and job creation, it means resources flooding into areas from the roughest and toughest LA hoods to the roughest and toughest Chicago hoods blah blah, it means real healthcare which can be afforded, it means drug rehab available for all, it means...hell, you see what I'm saying...it means social revolution no less...and one which can make use of capital and socialistic thinking without complaining about the old percieved contradictions - Socialistic thinking and capital together...that way, America would truely be the envy of the world...and over a few generations, gang culture would evaporate if social justice where married tio that brave new world. Peace. A dreamer!

[Sentenza]

LOL...I HAVE A DREAM......But its true though.

[MiChuhSuh]

if gang violence can be seen as a reaction to inhamane and unliveable circumstances, of the perverse gaps between rich and poor, those with access to what we need to thrive and those with no access....

Not always true

It definitely affects most young people in gangs, but not all

Big Evil, again, is the perfect example of other motivation

[Sentenza]

if gang violence can be seen as a reaction to inhamane and unliveable circumstances, of the perverse gaps between rich and poor, those with access to what we need to thrive and those with no access....

Not always true

It definitely affects most young people in gangs, but not all

Big Evil, again, is the perfect example of other motivation

Yea, but he must have had a serious mental disorder.
I would consider these people, that exist everywhere around the world as an exception to the rule.

Nobody that is in the right state of mind would go and kill a few dozen random people including his brother.

[Sentenza]

I think the "average gang member" is in a different struggle than Big Evil was.

[MiChuhSuh]

Monster Kody

[Sentenza]

Monster Kody

Not sure what you mean? That he is the same like Big Evil?

If so, i doubt it.

[MiChuhSuh]

See no one is the "same"

Like I'm researching Columbine for example. Everyone got everything wrong because they didn't even bother looking at their specific, unique situations. Instead they made ridiculous generalizations about "youth violence" and it's all BS

[blue eyed devil]

Well as its usually minorities who are in these wannabe thug gangs. So tis simple really, end immigration and toughen the laws. Fuck this race card BS. They only use it because they know White liberals will kiss their asses.

[MiChuhSuh]

Well as its usually minorities who are in these wannabe thug gangs. So tis simple really, end immigration and toughen the laws. fu-- this race card BS. They only use it because they know White liberals will kiss their asses.

WTF?????????????????????????????????????????????????

Man f^ck everyone outside of Africa and the Middle East is an immigrant, you think you started in Europe or America????

and mess you little isolationist theory sorry to say the world doesn't work like that anymore, you got all kinds of people planning BS. Damn commies in my homeland are testing long rang missiles so they can put nuclear warheads on them and you think keeping people out is gonna make you safe?

[blue eyed devil]

Man f^ck everyone outside of Africa and the Middle East is an immigrant, you think you started in Europe or America????

and mess you little isolationist theory sorry to say the world doesn't work like that anymore, you got all kinds of people planning BS. Damn commies in my homeland are testing long rang missiles so they can put nuclear warheads on them and you think keeping people out is gonna make you safe?

I dont care where we came from. Dont have a crack at me when you orientals are know for your xenophobism.

Society is safer.

isolationist theory sorry to say the world doesn't work like that anymore

Japans birth rate is falling perhaps they should take 10 million African refugees.

Also i relaize we are becoming closer, but we dont need to have our homelands taken over, you feelin me bro. Im sure you feel the exact same thing if it was vice versa and Europeans were streaming into Asia and bringing gangs, violence etc etc.

Nothing wrong with adding a but of spice to the stew but add to much and ts goes shit.

[MiChuhSuh]

I dont care where we came from. Dont have a crack at me when you orientals are know for your xenophobism.

Also i relaize we are becoming closer, but we dont need to have our homelands taken over, you feelin me bro.

Is this your homeland? ha!

And stop calling me "bro" first you make some racial comment then call me bro??

Im sure you feel the exact same thing if it was vice versa and Europeans were streaming into Asia and bringing gangs, violence etc etc.

Ever heard of the Opium Wars? Spheres of Influence? Admiral Perry? Ghandi (and yes Indian is Asian) WWII? Korean War? Vietnam?

And another thing right now Korea needs "foreign" help because it's about to be Korean War II.

Nothing wrong with adding a but of spice to the stew but add to much and ts goes shit.

Sort of like how Whites just took over and became the majority in the Americas???

[Sentenza]

Well as its usually minorities who are in these wannabe thug gangs. So tis simple really, end immigration and toughen the laws. fu-- this race card BS. They only use it because they know White liberals will kiss their asses.

LOL....

Thats what Bush is trying to do at the moment....Tell me did it work?

Are americas streets safer?

Were the streets in Europe safer before foreign people came? Nope.
In fact Europe had a hilariously high murder rate in the past, before the 20th century. Even though they had really rough punishments back then.
Remember when they put people into bird cages until they starved and rotted? Remember them cutting your limbs off or stabbing your eyes out? Did it help? Well answer it for yourself.

Do rough laws ALONE work? Nope. Look at the countries with the highest crime rates. They all have tough laws. USA, South Africa, Columbia, Russia, India and so on.
Would you feel safe walking in a dangerous area of one of these only cause you know they have tough laws?

BTW. Russia has gangs, South Africa has gangs, Mexico has gangs. NON-MINORITY GANGS....Maybe its a different problem.
And by the way many gangs in america are formed by whites, blacks and Latinos, that have been living there longer than many whites who came in the 20th century to america. They are no immigrants but yet they form gangs?
How come?

['X']

what would be your opinions or suggestions to end or reduce gang violence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px119hHXbGo

[blue eyed devil]

LOL....

Thats what Bush is trying to do at the moment....Tell me did it work?

Are americas streets safer?

Were the streets in Europe safer before foreign people came? Nope.
In fact Europe had a hilariously high murder rate in the past, before the 20th century. Even though they had really rough punishments back then.
Remember when they put people into bird cages until they starved and rotted? Remember them cutting your limbs off or stabbing your eyes out? Did it help? Well answer it for yourself.

Do rough laws ALONE work? Nope. Look at the countries with the highest crime rates. They all have tough laws. USA, South Africa, Columbia, Russia, India and so on.
Would you feel safe walking in a dangerous area of one of these only cause you know they have tough laws?

BTW. Russia has gangs, South Africa has gangs, Mexico has gangs. NON-MINORITY GANGS....Maybe its a different problem.
And by the way many gangs in america are formed by whites, blacks and Latinos, that have been living there longer than many whites who came in the 20th century to america. They are no immigrants but yet they form gangs?
How come?

Were the streets safer, yes. Ask some of the Western Europeans here.
Yes its true Europe over the last 600 years has fought war after war after fucking war, slaughter after slaughter. Europeans dont want to fight wars anymore though, there are no dreams of world domination. You could say that fighitng the bloodiest wars has subconcsiously had an effect.

Also Nazis and the Soviets are still fresh in peoples minds.

As much as Russians hated the Soviet Union, they still prefered the law an order of the past to the crime of today. Ive heard that from Russians.

Poverty also breeds gangs, but so does ignorance. Id say Ignorance is most peoples case on here.

[blue eyed devil]

Is this your homeland? ha!

And stop calling me "bro" first you make some racial comment then call me bro??

Racism oh please grow up i called you an Oriental.

Ever heard of the Opium Wars? Spheres of Influence? Admiral Perry? Ghandi (and yes Indian is Asian) WWII? Korean War? Vietnam?

Yes i have, whats that got do with immigration. Ever heard of Japan, they would have loved a crack at my country, dont hear me bitching about the Japanese.

And another thing right now Korea needs "foreign" help because it's about to be Korean War II.

Yeh it seems to be going that way, hope it doesnt though.

Sort of like how Whites just took over and became the majority in the Americas???

Yep and they turned it into a superpower.

Your Korean right??? Are you half Korean because you dont look Asiatic at all

[Sentenza]

what would be your opinions or suggestions to end or reduce gang violence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px119hHXbGo

LOL. Old School flavour. But i like KRS One...

[Sentenza]

LOL....

Thats what Bush is trying to do at the moment....Tell me did it work?

Are americas streets safer?

Were the streets in Europe safer before foreign people came? Nope.
In fact Europe had a hilariously high murder rate in the past, before the 20th century. Even though they had really rough punishments back then.
Remember when they put people into bird cages until they starved and rotted? Remember them cutting your limbs off or stabbing your eyes out? Did it help? Well answer it for yourself.

Do rough laws ALONE work? Nope. Look at the countries with the highest crime rates. They all have tough laws. USA, South Africa, Columbia, Russia, India and so on.
Would you feel safe walking in a dangerous area of one of these only cause you know they have tough laws?

BTW. Russia has gangs, South Africa has gangs, Mexico has gangs. NON-MINORITY GANGS....Maybe its a different problem.
And by the way many gangs in america are formed by whites, blacks and Latinos, that have been living there longer than many whites who came in the 20th century to america. They are no immigrants but yet they form gangs?
How come?

Were the streets safer, yes. Ask some of the Western Europeans here.
Yes its true Europe over the last 600 years has fought war after war after #%@&#%@ war, slaughter after slaughter. Europeans dont want to fight wars anymore though, there are no dreams of world domination. You could say that fighitng the bloodiest wars has subconcsiously had an effect.

Also Nazis and the Soviets are still fresh in peoples minds.

As much as Russians hated the Soviet Union, they still prefered the law an order of the past to the crime of today. Ive heard that from Russians.

Poverty also breeds gangs, but so does ignorance. Id say Ignorance is most peoples case on here.

I can agrre with your last statement....It is true.

Concerning the other stuff....You mentioned that the streets were safer back in the days...Which is not true.

"Although there were no national statistics centuries ago, some historians discovered that the archives of some English counties were intact back to the 13th century. So in the 1970's they began diligently counting indictments and comparing them with estimated population levels to get a rough idea of medieval and early modern crime rates. Historians in Continental Europe... came up with findings that yielded the same surprising results: that murder was much more common in the Middle Ages than it is now and that it dropped precipitately in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries."

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/crime.htm



Yes.....There was less street crime during the Soviet Era. But i wonder what its good for when the government is the one that is robbing, stealing and killing. Its an omnipotent street gang on the peak of the political pecking order.
No better than the worst street gang. Nazis and Soviets killed more people
than all streetgangs in world history alltogether.
Id rather have my neighbourhood infested with streetgangs than living under a nazi or communist regime.

And by the way, to say it again, i am from western Europe.

[blue eyed devil]

Id rather have my neighbourhood infested with streetgangs than living under a nazi or communist regime

Well arent you just a damn fool. I would rather have my children grow it where Law is inplace than have some Hoodlum do a drive by and end up killing my child(If i had one).

[Sentenza]

Id rather have my neighbourhood infested with streetgangs than living under a nazi or communist regime

Well arent you just a damn fool. I would rather have my children grow it where Law is inplace than have some Hoodlum do a drive by and end up killing my child(If i had one).

No, because like i said, Nazis and Communists kill more people than any gang.
One wrong move and you and your family are on the hit list.

[myDick in your mouth]

Don't separate housing and communities and neighborhoods by income.

[blue eyed devil]

No, because like i said, Nazis and Communists kill more people than any gang.
One wrong move and you and your family are on the hit list.

So atleast theres law and order.

[Anesis]

More schools, less jails.
A higher social standard (welfare etc.)-even though this is blasphemy in the ears of many americans- would also help A LOT. Like it or not.
Europe has low crime rates because of this. The proven example is out there.

I see America waging a war on the poor instead of a war against poverty.

Poverty is the main reason for violence on the streets.

But it has to be a different kind of school. Public education now is failing, for more reasons that I am going to go into here.

The high school I teach at is small, no more than 150 students this first year. I think we have 12 teachers on the campus. Class sizes are small. I only have 12 desks in my room, and I don't think I have any full classes. We have time in the morning when we get to talk with the students about current events or topics they choose to create relationships.

The students have to apply to be at the school, and we get to interview them and their parents/family (if they have anyone).

We are on an accelerated block schedule (only four classes a day) and one of those is a reading class. Everyone is required to take reading.

And, each student is getting issued a tablet PC laptop with a wireless connection. The school is technology driven.

This is not a private school. We are not taking honors/advanced students.

We are taking those who are at-risk of dropping out or who have already dropped out.

In my opinion, this is what a school should be like for everyone. But, this takes a lot of money.

Granted, we are dealing with students who are ex-gang members or trying to escape the lifestyle, but at least they have options when they make that decision.

[G.S. f-ing E.]

draft them all in the military. A unit cannot function if ti is divided. Cohesion in the military would not only bring the gangs together, but it would make them stronger, both mentally and physically. When they are all fully trained, send them to Iraq and let them handle business...the war would be over in a month.

[Mcminister]

gangs arent the main cause of violence at all, even if gang violence stops , niggaz still gon get smoked,
most people i kno that were murdered were killed over money, beef or over some bitch,
poverty causes violence most the times,
but isnt another main cause, because there are some places that are very poor in europe n don have a murder rate like cities in the US,
i think its the mentality these days people have and the amount of guns there is and how ieasy is it to get one,
IN AFRICA RICH PEOPLE POP EACHOTHER OUT ON THE DAILY,
business men and parliament members in suburbs shoot eachother,
its not gangs or poverty its the mentality n how people think,
wen my parent were growin up they were way poorer than us but they didnt kill eachother, nowadays in my city in africa n others kids shoot eachother like its nothin, n i don mean 200 murders with 2 million people in one city...but somethin like 2000 and some cities with not alot of gangs like johnesburg has had bout 20,000 killings.....stoping gang violence wont stop violence,.....get rid of guns and get rid of the fast lane do anything for money mentality

[Sentenza]

get rid of guns and get rid of the fast lane do anything for money mentality

Yea probably, but those are two things america is based on. Going to be difficult.

[Anesis]

get rid of guns and get rid of the fast lane do anything for money mentality

Those are symptoms of a larger problem. even if you do manage to get rid of those things, the cause is still there.

But you are right. Gang violence is just a start.

[BlaKK]

You can not end gang violence ever in a capitalist government...

[G.S. f-ing E.]

You can not end gang violence ever in a capitalist government...

thus by implication you say that an alternate form of government would be able to end gang violence. Do you have a suggestion?

in a communist government, you have the government regulating income and who can take certain jobs. you'll have even more people in revolt. communism would if anything, increase gang violence.

in an imperialist government, you have the entire country bent on conquest of another nation. sympathizers would evolve into gangs.

a pacifist society disregards wealth in all aspects but due to human nature to aquire substance, gang violence would eventually root.

a facist society, is similar to the imperialist society except in the fact that the sypathizers would be killed off. gangs would also take root in the extermination of opposition to the government. the Aryan nation began out of facism in germany and italy

[BlaKK]

I dont have any suggestions, That was not my intention, simply stating that in a capitalistic society "Gangs" can never be completely extinguished.

And you are wrong, an Imperialistic Government Regime can easily put seize to gang violence because gangs would be inapt to manifest, eradicating gangs in general through Marshall Law like dictatorship. There are no Street Gangs in North Korea. Now ask yourself why.