If US leaves iraq

[rocstar]

EP and X yall aint making no sense. A terrorist can only be Black or Middle Eastern, Asian or a dark Latino. Spanish excluded. Stop acting stupid. Only homegrown terrorist groups the U.S ever had was the Black Panthers and NOI. Check the records.

[BlaKK]

leave the rest of the world out of his problems.

Then what becomes of globalism? What becomes of the US economy? Globalism is irreversible... The worlds problem is Americas problem.

[EmperorPenguin]

EP and X yall aint making no sense. A terrorist can only be Black or Middle Eastern, Asian or a dark Latino. Spanish excluded. Stop acting stupid. Only homegrown terrorist groups the U.S ever had was the Black Panthers and NOI. Check the records.

MMmmmm the sweet smell of sarcasm.

[Lonewolf]

but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

That's true, I get that sh*t all the time from white folks
"DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORIST TO YOU"

And what is a terrorist supposed to like huh?

I also know that a certain level of Gang members are deemed
"terrorists" by the U.S. government, which then leads me to ask. .
If Gangmembers are categorized as terrorists by the government,
then who else is or should be stamped with the same label? And
I'm speaking in Citizen terms >> not foreign nor political terms!

[Lonewolf]

but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

That's true, I get that sh*t all the time from white folks
"DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORIST TO YOU"

And what is a terrorist supposed to look like huh?

I also know that a certain level of Gang members are deemed
"terrorists" by the U.S. government, which then leads me to ask. .
If Gangmembers are categorized as terrorists by the government,
then who else is or should be stamped with the same label? And
I'm speaking in Citizen terms >> not foreign nor political terms!

[frozen fire]

but he's never once waged war on his homeland against the KKK who are defined as a terrorist organization

You are not allowed to mention this fact^^, or any other facts like why the government never "profiled" those who look like timothy mcveigh, or those in waco texas...When we mention that, you should read the backlash...

Good post "ep" but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

That's the crazy thing though, they are terrorists in every form of the word. They have been labelled a terror organization and they are still a threat to national security (though some may argue on what level). Bush really needs to take a look inward and start worrying about those type of groups that are living (born and raised I might add) in America and leave the rest of the world out of his problems.

there are many groups that can be named terrorists, but to whom are they terrorists, to whom do they oppose? as long as its not a big threat to the US, or its allies. they can be left alone for the meantime.

That's true, I get that sh*t all the time from white folks
"DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORIST TO YOU"

And what is a terrorist supposed to look like huh?

Another reason why america doesnt want people to know about all those terrorists organisations found in the US, is that people will say.......hold up, why travel half way across the globe to fight terrorism when they are found right here?? start here Mr president of the *free world*.

[EmperorPenguin]

but he's never once waged war on his homeland against the KKK who are defined as a terrorist organization

You are not allowed to mention this fact^^, or any other facts like why the government never "profiled" those who look like timothy mcveigh, or those in waco texas...When we mention that, you should read the backlash...

Good post "ep" but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

That's the crazy thing though, they are terrorists in every form of the word. They have been labelled a terror organization and they are still a threat to national security (though some may argue on what level). Bush really needs to take a look inward and start worrying about those type of groups that are living (born and raised I might add) in America and leave the rest of the world out of his problems.

there are many groups that can be named terrorists, but to whom are they terrorists, to whom do they oppose? as long as its not a big threat to the US, or its allies. they can be left alone for the meantime.

That's true, I get that sh*t all the time from white folks
"DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORIST TO YOU"

And what is a terrorist supposed to look like huh?

Another reason why america doesnt want people to know about all those terrorists organisations found in the US, is that people will say.......hold up, why travel half way across the globe to fight terrorism when they are found right here?? start here Mr president of the *free world*.

I mentioned the IRA and the KKK because shortly after Sept. 11th George Bush stated he was going to rid the world of terrorist organizations, all of them both of whom have been labelled terrorist organizations. I guess he's too busy getting rid of the Arab and Korean ones, then he'll worry about the White American and Irish ones. I'm sure they're on his list, and I'm sure he's got a great plan on getting rid of them.

[Sentenza]

[Tobbe]

but he's never once waged war on his homeland against the KKK who are defined as a terrorist organization

You are not allowed to mention this fact^^, or any other facts like why the government never "profiled" those who look like timothy mcveigh, or those in waco texas...When we mention that, you should read the backlash...

Good post "ep" but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

That's the crazy thing though, they are terrorists in every form of the word. They have been labelled a terror organization and they are still a threat to national security (though some may argue on what level). Bush really needs to take a look inward and start worrying about those type of groups that are living (born and raised I might add) in America and leave the rest of the world out of his problems.

there are many groups that can be named terrorists, but to whom are they terrorists, to whom do they oppose? as long as its not a big threat to the US, or its allies. they can be left alone for the meantime.

That's true, I get that sh*t all the time from white folks
"DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORIST TO YOU"

And what is a terrorist supposed to look like huh?

Another reason why america doesnt want people to know about all those terrorists organisations found in the US, is that people will say.......hold up, why travel half way across the globe to fight terrorism when they are found right here?? start here Mr president of the *free world*.

I mentioned the IRA and the KKK because shortly after Sept. 11th George Bush stated he was going to rid the world of terrorist organizations, all of them both of whom have been labelled terrorist organizations. I guess he's too busy getting rid of the Arab and Korean ones, then he'll worry about the White American and Irish ones. I'm sure they're on his list, and I'm sure he's got a great plan on getting rid of them.

Just to let u know that IRA is no longer a Terror organisation, and hasn't been one the latest 2 or 3 years. And dosen't Bush have like relatives and such in the KKK ?

And in 10 years or so America will build up concentration camps for muslims, and do the holocaust all over again.

[streetsIswatchin]

What you guys arent seeing is that behind closed doors Bush and his people (U.S. imperialists) are happy at the chaos there. They're loving the civil war. Because this way they have an excuse not to pull out troops from yet another oil producing middle eastern country. They wont be making deals to sell their oil to China anytime soon. The U.S. wants it's hooks in as many places as it can. With Saddam there they'd never touch that oil it was just getting smuggled out little by little. The US said F-- that lets go in there and put our name on it.

The U.S. is getting what it wanted. You think the U.S. really didnt consider that IRAQ would fall apart after getting Saddam Hussein out? LOL come on now, dont let the media fool you so easily, it's all bullsh---. With so much hate in the middle east for america they were counting on this to happen. Al Qaeda is playing right into the hands of the U.S.

If there was no civil war no chaos and everything went smooth the US would be out of there already and of course Iraqis would vote for their OWN government not US puppets. Yeah Iraqis would be thankful but they'd still have a government looking out for them and not the US. Like i said about the Palestinians, sometimes peaceful means brings about more effective change.

Blame it on Middle eastern leaders, from nations to terrorist organizations.... they dont have a clue to what kind of game the US is playing on them

[frozen fire]

Lol.

[streetsIswatchin]

The US is now arming Sunni Militias, the people they've been fighting since day one! Saddam Hussein's people. What the hell was the point of going in there if your going to fight them and them arm them again? And their not friendly to the US either they still want them out. The US is going to use them to fight Al Qaeda. I think it's all bribes.

The US should just get out of Iraq because whats happening there now is whats going to be happenning there tomorrow without US presence.

['X']

The US is now arming Sunni Militias, the people they've been fighting since day one! Saddam Hussein's people. What the hell was the point of going in there if your going to fight them and them arm them again?

You peeped that to huh?

[rocstar]

The US is now arming Sunni Militias, the people they've been fighting since day one! Saddam Hussein's people. What the hell was the point of going in there if your going to fight them and them arm them again?

You peeped that to huh?

Whats new. U.S armed Saddam too. He got the nerve gas and chemical weapons he used on Iran and his own people from the U.S then Bush turned around and used that as a reason for the illegal invasion and Saddams execution.

[Old Shatterhand]

What goes up must come down. Issac Newton wasn't the first person to recognize that. We went in and ended Saddam's reign and now we need to either commit to fundamental structural change in that geographic area or find a rational exit strategy. The former is very expensive (both in cost and lives) and would take no less than two generations to bring about (assuming we did it the right way). The latter is not expensive and could happen in a short period of time (or longer one if the pullout is staggered). Will the USA commit to a couple of generations? No way. It's never going to happen. Even if we knew exactly how to proceed to see structural change accomplished, because we lack that kind of resolve as a nation unless it's an all out there can only be one left standing type of situation), so we see we need a rational exit strategy. Personally, I think we should exit through Iran and clean out the nuclear trash there. I know: the horror. Millions will die. You're probably right. Some of those would be friends and family of mine. But when I look at it logically I see a fork in the road: pay now (conventional warfare) or pay later (nuclear warfare). Terrible choice. We'll probably pay later.

Ok, I'm going to get blasted by everyone. Fire away.

[Sentenza]

The US is now arming Sunni Militias, the people they've been fighting since day one! Saddam Hussein's people. What the hell was the point of going in there if your going to fight them and them arm them again?

You peeped that to huh?

Whats new. U.S armed Saddam too. He got the nerve gas and chemical weapons he used on Iran and his own people from the U.S then Bush turned around and used that as a reason for the illegal invasion and Saddams execution.

It was funny to me though how some people were absolutely denying that.

[rocstar]

Ground war with Iran would be ridiculous. We would still be stuck like we are now. If the U.S was to attack Irans facilities they need to do it with airstrikes. Destroy the nuclear threat and not there infrascructure.

['X']

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=040_1184027859

[KING KONG]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=040_1184027859

LOL THE BLACK GUY AT THE RIGHT OF THE VIDEO LOOKS LIKE SAMUEL L JACKSON

[frozen fire]

i didn't find it funny, i would have kicked that fool in the head......btw, how would you guys react to racism??

would you ignore it?

lash out?

or try to speak to the person?

[US_ARMED_FORCES]

Like I have said numerous times, the combat is not going to be over for a large amount of time. We will not leave untill the Iraqi people have freedom. We will not fail, I believe in the plan.

[Sentenza]

Like I have said numerous times, the combat is not going to be over for a large amount of time. We will not leave untill the Iraqi people have freedom. We will not fail, I believe in the plan.

Whats the plan?

[~J~]

Like I have said numerous times, the combat is not going to be over for a large amount of time. We will not leave untill the Iraqi people have freedom. We will not fail, I believe in the plan.

Wishful thinking... it is all about greed nothing more nothing less. the US President and our broken Government has thrown away the last ounce of credibility the US had. the thing is... will the situation in Iraq go from bad to worse for the US and the Iraqi people? it's a lose, lose situation.

[frozen fire]

Like I have said numerous times, the combat is not going to be over for a large amount of time. We will not leave untill the Iraqi people have freedom. We will not fail, I believe in the plan.

As long as the US forces are in iraq, the people will have no freedom! Have you already forgotten why the US INVADED iraq??

[se11]

this has been and still is a catch 22. if we leave, the iraqi people go nuts and kill each other. in a government with numerous religios exteremist, paramilitants, and no established government, this is bound to happen, and then people shit on america for destroying the country. if we stay people complain that iraq is not free and americans should get out. so either way america looks like the bad guy.

[frozen fire]

^^They are the bad guys.

[rocstar]

Like I have said numerous times, the combat is not going to be over for a large amount of time. We will not leave untill the Iraqi people have freedom. We will not fail, I believe in the plan.

Whats the plan?

There isnt one. Evidently there never was one past "Shock and Awe". And who are we freeing the Iraqi's from now? I thought we already freed them by destroying their infrastructure displacing millions and setting them back 70 years. There is no armed force in Iraq for the U.S to defeat anymore. The biggest threat to troops are Shiites not Al Queda. You cant defeat an ideology with weapons the hate is steady growing. When the U.S leaves, whether it be now, next year, 5 years or 20 the same situation will still be there. The ideology is only growing deeper and spreading.

The biggest perpetrators and supporters of terrorism are Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Do you think the great george Bush is going to bother either one of them?

[Sentenza]

Like I have said numerous times, the combat is not going to be over for a large amount of time. We will not leave untill the Iraqi people have freedom. We will not fail, I believe in the plan.

Whats the plan?

There isnt one. Evidently there never was one past "Shock and Awe". And who are we freeing the Iraqi's from now? I thought we already freed them by destroying their infrastructure displacing millions and setting them back 70 years. There is no armed force in Iraq for the U.S to defeat anymore. The biggest threat to troops are Shiites not Al Queda. You cant defeat an ideology with weapons the hate is steady growing. When the U.S leaves, whether it be now, next year, 5 years or 20 the same situation will still be there. The ideology is only growing deeper and spreading.

The biggest perpetrators and supporters of terrorism are Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Do you think the great george Bush is going to bother either one of them?

No because Musharraf is the lesser of two evils for Bush. I have to say that i dont hope for Pakistan that the Islamists take over there, cause some are really on some way off shit
And Saudi Arabia...Well i dont think i even have to say anything about it.
I think sooner or later the US will go back to establishing a dictator again who will rule over Iraq with an Iron fist. Someone like what Saddam was to them in the 80s.
And you are right about that an ideology cant be killed with weapons. Actually i think the more force you use against it, the stronger it grows.

[rocstar]

this has been and still is a catch 22. if we leave, the iraqi people go nuts and kill each other. in a government with numerous religios exteremist, paramilitants, and no established government, this is bound to happen, and then people shit on america for destroying the country. if we stay people complain that iraq is not free and americans should get out. so either way america looks like the bad guy.

It's a catch 22 we made. Bush is praying they find another Saddam to run Iraq. And America did destroy Iraq. Tipped the balance of power in the Middle East. Now we are giving the Suadis more arms who are the catalyst for the vast majority of terrorism, which in turn means Isreal gets more arms and the arms race in the middle east grows. Iran knows America isnt in any position for a ground invasion.

And to top it all off Saddam and the dudes who committed 9-11 are strong as they have been according to reports.

[se11]

Saddam is dead....

and although we invaded the wrong country for the wrong reasons, i doubt the ones that are alive are "Stronger than ever". we did make the mess, and regardless of what happens, we look bad either way.

[MiChuhSuh]

And to top it all off Saddam and the dudes who committed 9-11 are strong as they have been according to reports.

I'mma give you the benefit of the doubt and you meant his sympathizers/group

[rocstar]

And to top it all off Saddam and the dudes who committed 9-11 are strong as they have been according to reports.

I'mma give you the benefit of the doubt and you meant his sympathizers/group

I meant Osama and the real Al queda