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[razbojnik]

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[AlbaniaUnited]

westside- no you didnt prove anything, again i have to explain it to you. the albanians when first arriving here had NOTHINGGGG obviously UN-DER-STAND? the piece that they carved was mostly out of the italians share because albanians operate closest to italians when not operating with themselves now a days. so they are taking over, but have not taken over the majority portion of the circle. the majority of the circle is still controlled by the italians. i have told you this many times. that is what your sources have said and i agree with them thats why i have not mentioned them or replied to them. because they say the same thingi have been saying for decades now loool. however, the albanians are taking over because they are taking a piece out the cicle. not whether they carve out a bigger piece in future years, only god knows. and whether or not they carve out the majority piece is something we will have to wait and find out. however, right now in 2008 i have told you myself that italians still hold the majority portion of the circle. but you dont seem to listen.

prove yourself unbiased for once by answering and responding to faciulina you piece of shit. you are even more biased than razbojnik. so stop acting all fucking high and mighty. its funny how i say albanians dont pay italians and you jump and find sources, and write paragraphs to try and convince me but faciulina says that italians are more violent then albanians and there are 2500 sicilian mobsters outside the LCN in america and you dont say shit. biased.

[thewestside]

westside- no you didnt prove anything, again i have to explain it to you. the albanians when first arriving here had NOTHINGGGG obviously UN-DER-STAND? the piece that they carved was mostly out of the italians share because albanians operate closest to italians when not operating with themselves now a days. so they are taking over, but have not taken over the majority portion of the circle. the majority of the circle is still controlled by the italians. i have told you this many times. that is what your sources have said and i agree with them thats why i have not mentioned them or replied to them. because they say the same thingi have been saying for decades now loool. however, the albanians are taking over because they are taking a piece out the cicle. not whether they carve out a bigger piece in future years, only god knows. and whether or not they carve out the majority piece is something we will have to wait and find out. however, right now in 2008 i have told you myself that italians still hold the majority portion of the circle. but you dont seem to listen.

I everything you say, although it's the same nonsense over and over again. You use this analogy of the Albanians cutting into the Italian's "piece of the circle." OK, answer this question - besides the Rudaj gang, which is now defunct, what other examples do you have of Albanians cutting into the Italian's operations? I've asked you this question repeatedly and you have always failed to answer because you have no answer.

prove yourself unbiased for once by answering and responding to faciulina you piece of shit. you are even more biased than razbojnik. so stop acting all #%@&#%@ high and mighty. its funny how i say albanians dont pay italians and you jump and find sources, and write paragraphs to try and convince me but faciulina says that italians are more violent then albanians and there are 2500 sicilian mobsters outside the LCN in america and you dont say shit. biased.

I've already responded on this point a number of times. No group is inherently more violent than another, though some employ the use of violence more readily.

According to the FBI, there are approximately 2,500 members and affiliates of the Sicilian Mafia active in the U.S.

[AlbaniaUnited]

The Albanian organized crime groups, operating largely in New York City, are carrying out serious criminal offenses, Manhattan Attorney Michael Garcia said.

“Albanian extremist crime groups have emerged in the city and became more active. So far, we cannot say (just like you should'nt) whether these groups dominate, but they commit the cruelest felonies,” Garcia said.


thats my response westside. everybody is on board my train except for you. the albanians havent been cutting into the italians piece of the pie as much as they have been carving out their own untouched piece. but the albanian infiltration in the italian mafia is amazing. and the number of albanian criminals in new york is very high. albanians who work with the lcn work in top spots. bodyguards for top ranking members, main assassins for biggest lcn families in america. then you have guys who go directly against the lcn. then there is guys like lulzim kupis brother, rank mikovic and pjetrovic(people who could bypass any security system or rob any place allegedly) who dont even bother with the italians. then you have guys like zef mustafa who work with or for the italians who set up international heroin operations and scams in new york and albania. then there is albanian godfathers like daut kadriovski who has his own organisation in the states and has liutenants in the bronx, new jersey and philly who is one of the main providers of americas gold heroin. he is also said to be a known associate of the five families, they probably rely on him for heroin.

i am not here to blow up the albanians, but you as downsizing them and i wish to put them where they belong.

[thewestside]

The Albanian organized crime groups, operating largely in New York City, are carrying out serious criminal offenses, Manhattan Attorney Michael Garcia said.

“Albanian extremist crime groups have emerged in the city and became more active. So far, we cannot say (just like you should'nt) whether these groups dominate, but they commit the cruelest felonies,” Garcia said.


thats my response westside. everybody is on board my train except for you. the albanians havent been cutting into the italians piece of the pie as much as they have been carving out their own untouched piece. but the albanian infiltration in the italian mafia is amazing. and the number of albanian criminals in new york is very high. albanians who work with the lcn work in top spots. bodyguards for top ranking members, main assassins for biggest lcn families in america. then you have guys who go directly against the lcn. then there is guys like lulzim kupis brother, rank mikovic and pjetrovic(people who could bypass any security system or rob any place allegedly) who dont even bother with the italians. then you have guys like zef mustafa who work with or for the italians who set up international heroin operations and scams in new york and albania. then there is albanian godfathers like daut kadriovski who has his own organisation in the states and has liutenants in the bronx, new jersey and philly who is one of the main providers of americas gold heroin. he is also said to be a known associate of the five families, they probably rely on him for heroin.

i am not here to blow up the albanians, but you as downsizing them and i wish to put them where they belong.

What kind of a response is this? I asked you for specfic examples of where the Albanians have cut into the Italian's rackets. Or, besides the Rudaj gang, have even tried to take on the Italians. Once again you provided nothing. Just admit that you don't have anything to back up your claims and I'll leave it alone. The Albanian infiltration in the Italian Mafia is amazing? What are you talking about? The Albanians that work for the LCN are only doing what other groups have done in the past, i.e. working for the LCN in primarily lower level, enforcement work.

The truth of it is, the Albanians are only doing what other groups have done. They are carving out their own piece of the American underworld but they are not taking rackets away from the Italians and they are not beginning to replace the Italians. Besides the Italians, there are still a number of other groups that are more powerful than the Albanians and have much more of a presence in American organized crime. Albanians have proven themselves to be a major player but they are nowhere near what you claim them to be right now.

And then you say I "shouldn't say," since the authorities said of themselves that they couldn't say. Take your own advice. You're the one who has been making bold, premature claims about Albanians pushing aside the Italians, and that they will start a shooting war with the Mafia eventually, and that they will be on top in 10 years.

[AlbaniaUnited]

michael garcia said that it is not sure whether or not the albanians dominate but they commit the cruelest felonies which proves beyond a resonable doubt that albanians are the most violent group in the city. secondly, he said it is not known whether or not they dominate. meaning they are obviously of great and one of the top presences in new york city but it is unclear whether or no they are the very top group. i say they arent right now, but i have just given you my future look into organised crime. you give it a name so gay which made me lose all respect for you when you said its the "new kid on the block" syndrome. loooooool when you said that i pretty much told myself that this guy is a real fag. no offense or anything but that was really gay. i pictured the band 'new kids on the block' and pictured you like them loool.

anyway back to business... if the albanians keep rising at the same rate at which they have risen then yes, in my opinion, 10-15 years from now they will surpass the italians in organised crime. you dont want to admit this because obviously you have something against albanians. its pretty clear your biased when you let faciulina say italians control entire governments in eastern europe but you jump on me if i say albanians are the most violent group in america. you start with your "everyone is capable of violence blah blah blah". the point is no one is capable of the violence albanians have used. and no one wishes to use it. not because they can but dont see reason too. but because albanians gangsters are more extreme then others. its a mentality thing, its not a "everyone is capable of violence and lcn doesnt have to show that violence anymore" thing. the lcn will always have to show extreme violence to be respected like every other group. they cannot show the strength they once had in the past because one they dont have it anymore and two they are very hesitant to do something the government is strongly against.

thirdly, the albanians infiltration in the lcn is amazing - i said that because the albanians are in very high places. zef mustafa being the most public one. the gambinos main assassins are albanians. john gotti jr.'s bodyguard was albanian. you like to say the albanians are involved in low level work for the lcn because it sounds good to you. but actually, the albanians are involved in high level work with the italians. an assassin is not working for anyone. thats his job that he chose. to kill. if the lcn provides a target and money for the target he will take up the offer if he wants to. a bodyguard would be considered for. zef mustafa for example. he made alot more then $20 million dollars. in 1992-1993 he went back to albania and was involved in big time scams there too. he also created a heroin pipeline from europe, canada to the states. and whoever said he is pretty much americanized and wont go off and form his own albanian group was wrong. he did have his own albanian group. he just stayed in touch with the lcn and didnt give his group a name like rudaj did. he didnt call it the mustafa corporation lmaoooooo. also if you think mustafa wasent a buffer for the gambinos for the albanians in the bronx your sadly mistaking. the clubs that operated there did so because mustafa was in good with the albanians in the bronx, particularly the ones in the fordham section.they could have easily taken over the clubs and the italians would have done the same hting they did with the clubs rudaj took over. they would have just moved on, maybe threatened a little bit. but thats it. the italians cannot match the strength of the albanians in new york. sorry but it cant happen. im even starting to think that my friends in christopher colombus high school can take on the lcn, they seem ballsier and are well equipped for it lol. honestly westside coem to new york one day. see what happenes front row... if your outside the theater your not gonna know anything except for what they tell you happened. and believe nothing that you hear and half of what you see.

[thewestside]

michael garcia said that it is not sure whether or not the albanians dominate but they commit the cruelest felonies which proves beyond a resonable doubt that albanians are the most violent group in the city. secondly, he said it is not known whether or not they dominate. meaning they are obviously of great and one of the top presences in new york city but it is unclear whether or no they are the very top group. i say they arent right now, but i have just given you my future look into organised crime. you give it a name so gay which made me lose all respect for you when you said its the "new kid on the block" syndrome. loooooool when you said that i pretty much told myself that this guy is a real fag. no offense or anything but that was really gay. i pictured the band 'new kids on the block' and pictured you like them loool.

anyway back to business... if the albanians keep rising at the same rate at which they have risen then yes, in my opinion, 10-15 years from now they will surpass the italians in organised crime. you dont want to admit this because obviously you have something against albanians. its pretty clear your biased when you let faciulina say italians control entire governments in eastern europe but you jump on me if i say albanians are the most violent group in america. you start with your "everyone is capable of violence blah blah blah". the point is no one is capable of the violence albanians have used. and no one wishes to use it. not because they can but dont see reason too. but because albanians gangsters are more extreme then others. its a mentality thing, its not a "everyone is capable of violence and lcn doesnt have to show that violence anymore" thing. the lcn will always have to show extreme violence to be respected like every other group. they cannot show the strength they once had in the past because one they dont have it anymore and two they are very hesitant to do something the government is strongly against.

thirdly, the albanians infiltration in the lcn is amazing - i said that because the albanians are in very high places. zef mustafa being the most public one. the gambinos main assassins are albanians. john gotti jr.'s bodyguard was albanian. you like to say the albanians are involved in low level work for the lcn because it sounds good to you. but actually, the albanians are involved in high level work with the italians. an assassin is not working for anyone. thats his job that he chose. to kill. if the lcn provides a target and money for the target he will take up the offer if he wants to. a bodyguard would be considered for. zef mustafa for example. he made alot more then $20 million dollars. in 1992-1993 he went back to albania and was involved in big time scams there too. he also created a heroin pipeline from europe, canada to the states. and whoever said he is pretty much americanized and wont go off and form his own albanian group was wrong. he did have his own albanian group. he just stayed in touch with the lcn and didnt give his group a name like rudaj did. he didnt call it the mustafa corporation lmaoooooo. also if you think mustafa wasent a buffer for the gambinos for the albanians in the bronx your sadly mistaking. the clubs that operated there did so because mustafa was in good with the albanians in the bronx, particularly the ones in the fordham section.they could have easily taken over the clubs and the italians would have done the same hting they did with the clubs rudaj took over. they would have just moved on, maybe threatened a little bit. but thats it. the italians cannot match the strength of the albanians in new york. sorry but it cant happen. im even starting to think that my friends in christopher colombus high school can take on the lcn, they seem ballsier and are well equipped for it lol. honestly westside coem to new york one day. see what happenes front row... if your outside the theater your not gonna know anything except for what they tell you happened. and believe nothing that you hear and half of what you see.

You really are living in your own little dream world Johnny.

Any little snippet you can find you read into what you want and turn it around to make the Albanians look as big and bad as possible. Everyone knows the Albanians are very violent. But that does not equate to them being anywhere near the most powerful. And as much as you like to think they will be in 10-15 years, that's just not likely to happen. And I don't say that because I have anything against Albanians, but simply because of history. As I've repeatedly said, many other groups have been predicted to take over the top spot in the past. It's never really happened. It would be unlikely even if the Albanians were the 2nd strongest after the Italians, but they aren't even that. My "new guy on the block" phrase means a new group in the U.S. Not the musical group. The fact that they even entered your mind verifies you really are in the 8th grade.

In case you haven't figured out yet, I don't read most of the posts between you and Faciulina. I spend most of my time on this board having to respond to your ludicrous posts. I've said before that I consider Faciulina to be the Italian JohnnyRed. And if I happen to catch something that he says which is not correct, I'll throw in my 2 cents. I'm certainly not on his side. Like I said before, maybe if I wasn't always having to rebuff your stupid posts, maybe I'd have more time to respond to others.

Your use of the word "infiltration" for Albanians who work for the LCN is ridiculous. Albanians work for the LCN because the LCN has hired them. Not because they have snuck their way in. Mustafa is indeed a high level operator for the LCN but you can't use his unique case as an example for all Albanians. I've said before that he has long been a middle man for the LCN and the Albanians. But your idea that he was protecting the LCN from the Albanians taking over their clubs in the Bronx is really a joke. But I suppose you have to find an excuse for why the big, bad Rudaj gang didn't try. But come to think of it, why didn't they try taking over Genovese or Bonanno clubs in the area? Mustafa works for the Gambinos, not those other Families. The truth is, the Rudaj gang was only willing and able to take over two Greek gambling clubs that were paying tribute to the LCN. Not take on the LCN directly by going after one of their own clubs. And sorry pal, but the gas station and Rao's table incidents don't really count as them taking on the LCN.

[Faciulina]

the italians cannot match the strength of the albanians in new york. sorry but it cant happen. im even starting to think that my friends in christopher colombus high school can take on the lcn, they seem ballsier and are well equipped for it lol. honestly westside coem to new york one day. see what happenes front row.

[Faciulina]

the italians cannot match the strength of the albanians in new york. sorry but it cant happen. im even starting to think that my friends in christopher colombus high school can take on the lcn, they seem ballsier and are well equipped for it lol. honestly westside coem to new york one day. see what happenes front row.

i read right??? yes i did... you have serious mental problem if you want i know very good psychiatric hospital in switzerland

[thewestside]

the italians cannot match the strength of the albanians in new york. sorry but it cant happen. im even starting to think that my friends in christopher colombus high school can take on the lcn, they seem ballsier and are well equipped for it lol. honestly westside coem to new york one day. see what happenes front row.

i read right??? yes i did... you have serious mental problem if you want i know very good psychiatric hospital in switzerland

This is why Johnny has no credibility and why he felt he had to change his name to AlbaniaUnited. But whatever name he goes by, he soon shows his stupidity by making comments like the one above. He wants the Albanians to be on top SOOOOOO bad. And he won't be satisfied until everyone else believes it, even though it's not true and likely never will be. He's convinced himself that other people agree with him. But they don't. Not the authorities or people on this forum. If Johnny had half a brain, he'd realize that most people on this forum think he is a joke. A punk teenager in the 8th grade who refers to Albanian organized crime as "we," like he is a part of them simply because he is Albanian.

[AlbaniaUnited]

faciulina- yes you did read right you fcuking brain dead moron, the albanians have more manpower, they are more violent and they make the italian piss themselves. the albanians took over clubs paying to you meaning they took your guys money... if the italians were half of what westside thinks they are they WOULD HAVE REACTED! oh wait they did, they thought they could blind side the albanians by ambushing them with 30 italians against only 3 albanians. one albanian pointed a gun at arnol quitieris face ( the gambino BOSS) another pointed at a gas piump and told everyone to drop their fucking weapons. they all did and they left. many seen this as a sign of lcn dying out. the rudajs had three dozen members and alot more associates. daut kadriovski supplies italians with heroin because the italians are too weak to have their own connnection.

westside-stfu 30 yr old virgin who asked you shit? everybody is fucking lying according to you the FBI, interpol, lawyers, prosecutors, everyone is lying to you and i collect snippets fro marticles. THE FUCKING 200000 SNIPPETS WOULDNT BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE if what i was saying is total BS. i have told you that the italians arer the most powerful in new york city in 2008. but in raw man power, they cannot compete with the albanians. they have tooo many people. most albanian gangster are in their 20's 30's and mide 40's maximum. they are ruthless, vicious and do not hesitate to kill. the genovese has over 200 members but only 30 guys capable of killing lmaooooo the italians are all fat bastards in their 70's and 80's. in terms of manpower the albanians far exceed the italians. but your head is up your mothers pussy so you think otherwise because your family eats sausages all day talking about "why you a put sauce in my spaghetti ahhh? i told you not too you batso!" honeslty get the fuck lost, provide me with one JUST ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE article that says the italians can out manpower the albanians. please to god only one. thats all i ask.

[Faciulina]

yes yes albanians are ruthless albanians have manpower bla bla bla bla you are just a clown and the albanians are just chickenthieves sucking southern italian dicks they are NOTHING in the states... ahahahaha italo-americans have connections with the italian syndicates they don't need albanians to find heroin there is the ndrangheta for this and the ndrangheta alone is 20 times stronger than the whole albaniass mob... the albanians killed nobody but they are violent lol i bet lcn kills even today 10 times more than albanian mob in the states... rudaj gangs is finished and the rest of albanian mob is going to finish i bet in 2015 there is not any albanian mob in usa if they are still alive i doubt it... the italian mafia will be the strongest even in 2020 and 2030 there is no doubt the other groups are too weak to take over they are disorganized and they have not any longetivity so stop dreaming kid

[thewestside]

faciulina- yes you did read right you fcuking brain dead moron, the albanians have more manpower, they are more violent and they make the italian piss themselves. the albanians took over clubs paying to you meaning they took your guys money... if the italians were half of what westside thinks they are they WOULD HAVE REACTED! oh wait they did, they thought they could blind side the albanians by ambushing them with 30 italians against only 3 albanians. one albanian pointed a gun at arnol quitieris face ( the gambino BOSS) another pointed at a gas piump and told everyone to drop their #%@&#%@ weapons. they all did and they left. many seen this as a sign of lcn dying out. the rudajs had three dozen members and alot more associates. daut kadriovski supplies italians with heroin because the italians are too weak to have their own connnection.

How many times are you going to rewrite history with this incident?

They make the Italians piss themselves? Talk about an overstatment. THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY. The Rudaj gang - a single Albanian group, not all Albanians - were bold enough to take over two Greek gambling clubs in Queens that were paying tribute to the Gambino and Lucchese Families. The Gambinos called for a meet at a New Jersey gas station and camed armed to the teeth and greatly outnumbered the Rudaj guys. Because they were outnumbered, one of Rudaj's guys pointed his shotgun at a gas pump and threatened to blow everyone up if the Gambinos didn't back off. Thinking he might just be crazy enough to do it, the Gambinos backed down. Not because one of the Rudaj guys pointed a gun in Squitieri's face. And the Gambinos didn't drop their weapons. That's just more BS from Johnny to hype the Albanians.

Johnny likes to think that this incident signaled a change in the landscape of American organized crime. Why does he think so? Because he read it in one article. Oh, and because he wants it to be true because he is Albanian. So he takes the one example of the Rudaj gang, which is now gone, and blows it up by saying that Albanians are taking over Italians in general. But don't bother to ask him for additional examples because he can't give you any. Not for the lack of trying though. I'm sure he's spent hours upon hours searching the internet for any little snippet of the Albanians taking over in New York. But he's come up with nothing. That's probably why he is now looking for evidence of Albanian organized crime in other places, like Detroit and Canada.

westside-stfu 30 yr old virgin who asked you shit? everybody is #%@&#%@ lying according to you the FBI, interpol, lawyers, prosecutors, everyone is lying to you and i collect snippets fro marticles. THE #%@&#%@ 200000 SNIPPETS WOULDNT BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE if what i was saying is total BS. i have told you that the italians arer the most powerful in new york city in 2008. but in raw man power, they cannot compete with the albanians. they have tooo many people. most albanian gangster are in their 20's 30's and mide 40's maximum. they are ruthless, vicious and do not hesitate to kill. the genovese has over 200 members but only 30 guys capable of killing lmaooooo the italians are all fat bastards in their 70's and 80's. in terms of manpower the albanians far exceed the italians. but your head is up your mothers pussy so you think otherwise because your family eats sausages all day talking about "why you a put sauce in my spaghetti ahhh? i told you not too you batso!" honeslty get the fu-- lost, provide me with one JUST ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE article that says the italians can out manpower the albanians. please to god only one. thats all i ask.

The Albanians DO NOT have more manpower. Not by a long shot.

Albanian gangsters are the latest ethnic criminals to be presented by authorities as competition for the old and dying Mafiosi. Like Irish, Cuban, Russian, Chinese and Greek hoodlums before them, the Albanians are not serious competition for what the F.B.I. calls traditional organized crime, the Italian mob. There are nowhere near enough of them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/05/weeki ... apeci.html

Law enforcement officials say Asians, Russians and Albanians have established their own crime organizations in the United States. These groups are smaller and more disorganized than their Italian counterparts but pose their own danger.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/16/fbi.mob/index.html

There is two sources that contradict your claims. But I know you will ignore them. An LCN Family doesn't need all of it's members to be capable killers, especially when it uses associates for much of that. They are way past the days where they are hunting down rival groups around the city. That's what I've tried to explain to you before but you still don't understand. Probably because you are an 8th grade nitwit, you have this mentality that organize crime groups act like street gangs. You simply do not understand organized crime, be it Albanian, Italian, or any other kind.

[Faciulina]

Albanian gangsters are the latest ethnic criminals to be presented by authorities as competition for the old and dying Mafiosi.

i laugh when i listen they are competitors the irish westies were 100 times more violent than albanian morons they really could kill not these morons pointing guns in face ahahaha i doubt this happened anyway... i don't understand where the idea the albanian mob is violent comes from in greece there are over 1 million albanians and i've never heard of any slaughter policeman or even turf wars in that country ahahahah if they are not violent where they are over 1 million how can be in the states where they are 500.000??? i think the journalists say albanian are violent are retard like albaniaunited

[AlbaniaUnited]

Westside- Oh I see now... so when Jerry Capeci says that Albanians dont pose a threat, its true. But when he says there are only 75-85 members in the colombo family all the sudden he is bullshitting? He compared Albanians to Greek criminals... HE IS WRONG, YOU KNOW IT I KNOW IT. In Italy how many Albanians were arrested in one year? 17,000? How many are in jail 5,313 albanians from Albania and 1000+ albanians from kosova. and your telling me that 500,000 albanians in America are not enough? There is a percentage of that number that is criminal. even if its 1% which seems as an understatement me the number would be 5000 albanian criminals. but anyway let me contradict you with some sources as well. You used Jerry Capeci who is not reliable because you, yourself have doubted him, but now when he says something you like all the sudden, you used his estimates. ahahahah idiot.

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/march06/albanian032906.htm
“We had a sense they were an organization, but we were surprised at how aggressively they challenged New York’s Italian organized crime families,” said the FBI case agent assigned to the investigation. “They started taking territory, beating up ‘made men.’ In recent years, the FBI has done such a good job going after Italian organized crime there was almost no one left to challenge them or fight back.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/03/nyreg ... anian.html
At Mr. Squitieri's signal, about 30 of his men appeared, carrying bats, guns and other weapons, but the Albanians were ready. One of Mr. Rudaj's men put a gun to Mr. Squitieri's head and another pointed a shotgun at a gas pump, threatening to blow everyone up unless Mr. Squitieri's men put down their guns, according to prosecutors.

Mr. Squitieri backed down.

"They're like the old Sicilians," said one investigator, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak with reporters. "They don't roll, and they don't cooperate," he said.


“Albanian extremist crime groups have emerged in the city and became more active. So far, we cannot say whether these groups dominate, but they commit the cruelest felonies,” Manhatten Attorney Michael Garcia said.

[Faciulina]

In Italy how many Albanians were arrested in one year? 17,000? How many are in jail 5,313 albanians from Albania and 1000+ albanians from kosova.

naaaaaaaaa RETARD!!!!!! these numbers go out from your ass they are totally fake the romanians are the foreign with more imprisoned and they are less than 1000 stop posting BS idiot you live in the bronx you know nothing about europe... the albanian mob is not violent even in greece where they are 1 million imagine in north italy where they are 400 or 500.000 they kill very little ever compared to sacra corona unita that is the italian syndicates that kill less they never committed a slaughter in europe never i still waiting an article say the albanian mob committed a slaughter or killed judge and policemen and you changed argument and post articles written in 1995 saying albanian are ruthless loooool

[AlbaniaUnited]

In Italy how many Albanians were arrested in one year? 17,000? How many are in jail 5,313 albanians from Albania and 1000+ albanians from kosova.

naaaaaaaaa RETARD!!!!!! these numbers go out from your ass they are totally fake the romanians are the foreign with more imprisoned and they are less than 1000 stop posting BS idiot you live in the bronx you know nothing about europe... the albanian mob is not violent even in greece where they are 1 million imagine in north italy where they are 400 or 500.000 they kill very little ever compared to sacra corona unita that is the italian syndicates that kill less they never committed a slaughter in europe never i still waiting an article say the albanian mob committed a slaughter or killed judge and policemen and you changed argument and post articles written in 1995 saying albanian are ruthless loooool

did you see what i posted before about the albanians going directly against the italians even in italy? but you ignore them? and then two days later you ask for them again, this is why your an idiot.

[Faciulina]

did you see what i posted before about the albanians going directly against the italians even in italy? but you ignore them? and then two days later you ask for them again, this is why your an idiot.

first that's article written in 1993 or 95 is full of BS because if it's true that albanian moron would be killed in milan or wherever it happened the fact second i am still waiting for an article about a slaughter committed by albanian mob that's real violence not pointing a gun idiot but of course you can't find an article like that and you always post the same 10 years old BS... if the albanian mob is so ruthless like you claim they should kill hundreds of people like the southern italians they would commit slaughters in europe why they never done it? it's easy because they are a branch of chickenthieves

[AlbaniaUnited]

did you see what i posted before about the albanians going directly against the italians even in italy? but you ignore them? and then two days later you ask for them again, this is why your an idiot.

first that's article written in 1993 or 95 is full of BS because if it's true that albanian moron would be killed in milan or wherever it happened the fact second i am still waiting for an article about a slaughter committed by albanian mob that's real violence not pointing a gun idiot but of course you can't find an article like that and you always post the same 10 years old BS... if the albanian mob is so ruthless like you claim they should kill hundreds of people like the southern italians they would commit slaughters in europe why they never done it? it's easy because they are a branch of chickenthieves

Crisis talks as Milan is hit by wave of killings

Italy's Prime Minister, Massimo D'Alema held crisis talks with police and local officials in Milan yesterday to try to restore order to a city that has seen nine murders so far this year.

The government has deployed an extra 800 police and 90 patrol cars to Milan as a stopgap measure to ease the "crime emergency".

Diego Masi, an Interior Ministry under-secretary, blamed the Albanian mafia, which has entered the city on a tide of illegal immigrants. An official report puts the Albanians top among foreign crime organizations. It says they concentrate on drugs and prostitution. Their lack of Western moral values allows them to settle scores with appalling coldness, often murdering people in crowded streets and bars.

[Faciulina]

Crisis talks as Milan is hit by wave of killings

Italy's Prime Minister, Massimo D'Alema held crisis talks with police and local officials in Milan yesterday to try to restore order to a city that has seen nine murders so far this year.

The government has deployed an extra 800 police and 90 patrol cars to Milan as a stopgap measure to ease the "crime emergency".

Diego Masi, an Interior Ministry under-secretary, blamed the Albanian mafia, which has entered the city on a tide of illegal immigrants. An official report puts the Albanians top among foreign crime organizations. It says they concentrate on drugs and prostitution. Their lack of Western moral values allows them to settle scores with appalling coldness, often murdering people in crowded streets and bars.

i want to see an article about a slaughter committed by albanian mob i don't care of this stuff they are just jokes to me... articles written in the 90s ahahahah

[AlbaniaUnited]

Crisis talks as Milan is hit by wave of killings

Italy's Prime Minister, Massimo D'Alema held crisis talks with police and local officials in Milan yesterday to try to restore order to a city that has seen nine murders so far this year.

The government has deployed an extra 800 police and 90 patrol cars to Milan as a stopgap measure to ease the "crime emergency".

Diego Masi, an Interior Ministry under-secretary, blamed the Albanian mafia, which has entered the city on a tide of illegal immigrants. An official report puts the Albanians top among foreign crime organizations. It says they concentrate on drugs and prostitution. Their lack of Western moral values allows them to settle scores with appalling coldness, often murdering people in crowded streets and bars.

i want to see an article about a slaughter committed by albanian mob i don't care of this stuff they are just jokes to me... articles written in the 90s ahahahah

what the fuck is a slughter to you you moron? 9 people killed in 13 days. those are slaughters...

[Faciulina]

naaaaaaa fucking idiot the 9 murders were not committed by albanian mob i lived in italy at that time maybe you pretend to know it better than me? show me the link of the article retard you copied and posted the declaration of masi and that milan stuff... the 9 murders were committed by different people for diferent causes anyway it happened in 1997 i think show me the link so i can say the exact date

[AlbaniaUnited]

naaaaaaa #%@&#%@ idiot the 9 murders were not committed by albanian mob i lived in italy at that time maybe you pretend to know it better than me? show me the link of the article retard you copied and posted the declaration of masi and that milan stuff... the 9 murders were committed by different people for diferent causes anyway it happened in 1997 i think show me the link so i can say the exact date

"Diego Masi, an Interior Ministry under-secretary, blamed the Albanian mafia"


so now you know about it more then the government, wow your stupid. YOU DO NOT KNOW SHIT. i repeat YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. your an idiot. you htink just cuz you lived there at the time you know something about it. it happened in 1999 you idiot. just stfu and post something thats not BS for once.

[Faciulina]

"Diego Masi, an Interior Ministry under-secretary, blamed the Albanian mafia"

so now you know about it more then the government, wow your stupid. YOU DO NOT KNOW SHIT. i repeat YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. your an idiot. you htink just because you lived there at the time you know something about it. it happened in 1999 you idiot. just stfu and post something thats not BS for once.

please don't be a chicken show me the link... you know that is BS so you can't show the truth... the albanian mob never killed 9 people in 13 days NEVER although you would like it i am not sure the albanian mob even killed 10 men since 1993 because most of the few albanians killed in italy were gunned down by italian mafia...

[thewestside]

Westside- Oh I see now... so when Jerry Capeci says that Albanians dont pose a threat, its true. But when he says there are only 75-85 members in the colombo family all the sudden he is bullshitting? He compared Albanians to Greek criminals... HE IS WRONG, YOU KNOW IT I KNOW IT. In Italy how many Albanians were arrested in one year? 17,000? How many are in jail 5,313 albanians from Albania and 1000+ albanians from kosova. and your telling me that 500,000 albanians in America are not enough? There is a percentage of that number that is criminal. even if its 1% which seems as an understatement me the number would be 5000 albanian criminals. but anyway let me contradict you with some sources as well. You used Jerry Capeci who is not reliable because you, yourself have doubted him, but now when he says something you like all the sudden, you used his estimates. ahahahah idiot.

It wasn't just me that was disagreeing with Capeci's low estimate of the Colombo Family membership. It was every other estimate that has been put forth in recent years by official sources. I've told you that repeatedly.

You're the one who is always saying there isn't a lot of information about Albanian crime groups in the U.S. because they are so clannish and secretive. Well, if that's the case, how do you really know how much manpower they have? After all, as you've said yourself, there aren't really any hard numbers like there are for the LCN Families. I already gave you a quote from a recent CNN article that said that the Russian, Chinese, and Albanian groups are "smaller" and "less organized" than the Italians. But you conveniently ignore it. Albanians are still relatively new here in the U.S. To think they already outnumber the Italians in numbers is just ludicrous and just more BS from you.

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/march06/albanian032906.htm
“We had a sense they were an organization, but we were surprised at how aggressively they challenged New York’s Italian organized crime families,” said the FBI case agent assigned to the investigation. “They started taking territory, beating up ‘made men.’ In recent years, the FBI has done such a good job going after Italian organized crime there was almost no one left to challenge them or fight back.”

This actually verifies what I have said before. At that point, the Gambino and Lucchese Family's factions in Queens were weakened due to repeatedly federal prosections. As your own post above states, that's why the Rudaj gang was temporarilly able to take over two Greek clubs that were paying tribute to these two LCN Families. They didn't directly go after any LCN clubs. They went after Greek clubs that were there for the taking in an area where these two LCN Families were weak. If anything, it says more about the effect repeated prosections have had on the Mafia than the Rudaj gang did. But as I've said repeatedly, it was a temporary victory for the Rudaj gang because they lost it all in the end. The Gambinos and Luccheses are still there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/03/nyregion/03albanian.html
At Mr. Squitieri's signal, about 30 of his men appeared, carrying bats, guns and other weapons, but the Albanians were ready. One of Mr. Rudaj's men put a gun to Mr. Squitieri's head and another pointed a shotgun at a gas pump, threatening to blow everyone up unless Mr. Squitieri's men put down their guns, according to prosecutors.

Mr. Squitieri backed down.

I responded to this in the other thread. In the long run, this was a non event. Just like the Rao's table incident and just like the Albanians pulling a gun on the son of a mafioso in Italy.

"They're like the old Sicilians," said one investigator, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak with reporters. "They don't roll, and they don't cooperate," he said.

This is true for all new groups in the U.S. Before they become established, they have only themselves to rely on. As time goes by, and they have more success, they inevitably become "softer."

“Albanian extremist crime groups have emerged in the city and became more active. So far, we cannot say whether these groups dominate, but they commit the cruelest felonies,” Manhatten Attorney Michael Garcia said.

While it's true that the Albanians are one of the most violent, if not the most violent, they are not the dominant group. You know it and I know it.

[AlbaniaUnited]

It wasn't just me that was disagreeing with Capeci's low estimate of the Colombo Family membership. It was every other estimate that has been put forth in recent years by official sources. I've told you that repeatedly.

Your right, we should have taken the average of all the estimates instead of arguing back and forth between whose source was right. This has taught me one thing though, not to take Jerry Capeci seriously, That is the first time I have heard some one compare the Albanians to the Greeks. The Greeks are only small time gambling semi-gangsters.

You're the one who is always saying there isn't a lot of information about Albanian crime groups in the U.S. because they are so clannish and secretive. Well, if that's the case, how do you really know how much manpower they have? After all, as you've said yourself, there aren't really any hard numbers like there are for the LCN Families. I already gave you a quote from a recent CNN article that said that the Russian, Chinese, and Albanian groups are "smaller" and "less organized" than the Italians. But you conveniently ignore it. Albanians are still relatively new here in the U.S. To think they already outnumber the Italians in numbers is just ludicrous and just more BS from you.

-()- Yes there is a lot of information missing on Albanian organised crime because the crime groups are very clannish relying on blood, marriages and close friendship dating back to Albania.

-()- However, what you have to understand westside, that today's generation of Albanians have a high percentage of criminals. I dont mean 60% of anything close to that but I mean 1-2%. When I said the Albanians out number the Italians. You should take it seriously. La Cosa Nostra has 2,500 members and affiliates. A percentage of that being Albanian. However, there is 550,000 - 750,000 Albanians in America, mostly crammed up in New York, Boston, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, Ohio. If 1-2% of them are criminals then what does that leave you with? 5,500-14,000 Albanian criminals in America. Probably somewhere closer to the 5,000 area. But 1% of them are garaunteed criminals unfortunantly. Its the era we're in. As generations go by, the percentage will drop. Just like it did with the Italians, Russians and everyone else.

-()- The only difference between the numbers is the Italians are organised and entrenched. The Albanians are usually mobile and engaging in activities that call for immidiate rewards instead of building criminal organisations.

-()- Yes the source said that the Albanian groups are smaller and less organised. I have told you that myself numerous times. The typical Albanian-American crime group consists of 15-20 members formed on the base of blood ties, marriage ties or regional ties (having the same origin of city). And they usually revolve around a few central leaders providing flexibilty within the crew. However this does not mean that the Albanian criminals dont number as much as the Italians. They specifically said that Albanian groups, meaning that Italian groups (the families 90-220 members) are bigger then any Albanian group. But there are alot of Albanian groups through-out the city/country. The Albanians will not form into an entire family bringing together 8-9 different crews under one point. Mainly because the Albanians will refuse to project that much light onto themselves and find it better to just stay independent with their own crews while communicating with the other crews they know. occasionally combining acitivities if it proves beneficial to both crews.

-()- If you want to find and entire Albanian crime family though just go to the Besa cafe on a saturday night. lol. Although I wouldnt if I was you cause I, myself got kicked out with my friends from there. And they knew we were Albanian.

This actually verifies what I have said before. At that point, the Gambino and Lucchese Family's factions in Queens were weakened due to repeatedly federal prosections. As your own post above states, that's why the Rudaj gang was temporarilly able to take over two Greek clubs that were paying tribute to these two LCN Families. They didn't directly go after any LCN clubs. They went after Greek clubs that were there for the taking in an area where these two LCN Families were weak. If anything, it says more about the effect repeated prosections have had on the Mafia than the Rudaj gang did. But as I've said repeatedly, it was a temporary victory for the Rudaj gang because they lost it all in the end. The Gambinos and Luccheses are still there.

-()- Well, to tell you the truth, I dont think you should give your two cents about that matter. Because one, you are not aware of what happened and two, neither am I. The fact is, They DID take away clubs paying the La Cosa Nostra. Thats the bottom line, they did. The Gambinos have over 200 members. They did try to take action against the Rudajs, because they one, hit made men, and two took over operations belonging to a Gambino and Lucchese crew.

-()- Arnold Squitieri tried to show brawn over the Albanians but failed. A gun was pointed at his head, and a shotgun was pointed at the gas pump. The Italians were ordered by Rudaj to retreat, they did. As well as Arnold himself. Keep in mind Arnold himself took out a gun before anyone. It was then that the Italians came out with their other weapons and members. In the end, it didnt prove to be a financial win, but it did prove to be a sign of disrespect and the declining influence of the La Cosa Nostra. And the ferociousness of the Albanian criminals. In the long run as you say, it was not a substantial win. But it gave the the Corporation fear and Notoriety. Which brang about alot of heat as well. One thing though, it bothers me how you frequently say that the La Cosa Nostra didn't even bother with them. That is not true, I want to clear that up. If that was true, the Gambino would have never pulled that stunt.

I responded to this in the other thread. In the long run, this was a non event. Just like the Rao's table incident and just like the Albanians pulling a gun on the son of a mafioso in Italy.

In the long run, it was damaging to the La Cosa Nostra's image but yes, I agree proved to be a negative win for the Rudajs. It brang them fear and notoriety but it brang upon them heat as well.

The Albanians actions in both the gas station and in Italy didn't prove anything except for the aggresiveness the Albanians have. It hurt the La Cosa Nostra's image though. In Italy, it might have lowered people perspectives of the Italian syndicates as well. But I doubt anyone except other Albanians will follow in Rudajs or especially in the the 'machine gun' crew's footsteps.

This is true for all new groups in the U.S. Before they become established, they have only themselves to rely on. As time goes by, and they have more success, they inevitably become "softer."

True, but Albanians have proven to be air tight. There has not been one Albanian rat so far. I doubt that not a single Albanian gangster in the world hasent ratted on their fellow gangsters (tat would be impossible) but not one has been made public or been brought to my eye.

While it's true that the Albanians are one of the most violent, if not the most violent, they are not the dominant group. You know it and I know it.

Well all I did was quote Michael Garcia, an Attorney in New York. I agree the Albanians are not the most dominant group in New York city when it comes to anything but violence and pure manpower. Keeping in mind that most Albanians in America do not exceed the age of 45.

[AlbaniaUnited]

"Diego Masi, an Interior Ministry under-secretary, blamed the Albanian mafia"

so now you know about it more then the government, wow your stupid. YOU DO NOT KNOW SHIT. i repeat YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. your an idiot. you htink just because you lived there at the time you know something about it. it happened in 1999 you idiot. just stfu and post something thats not BS for once.

please don't be a chicken show me the link... you know that is BS so you can't show the truth... the albanian mob never killed 9 people in 13 days NEVER although you would like it i am not sure the albanian mob even killed 10 men since 1993 because most of the few albanians killed in italy were gunned down by italian mafia...

Too lazy. No you know what I would prefer? I would prefer that Albanians a worldwide group of (12-15 million) people would be known for education and being successful. In some ways, it is true. In New York we own thousands of commericial buildings. No I am not exhaggerating. In 1985 alone when there wasent 10% the Albanian population in America today we owned 600 commericial buildings in New York City and a lot more restaurants, bars, cafes, travelling agencies, construction companies. Today the numbers seem silly. Not to mention the 5th most successful restaurant in American history was owned and built by an Albanian. It raked in $12 million annually. But yes, I wish all Albanians were like these business owning people I just mentioned. Instead, wherever we go, people focus on the small criminal percentage and declare us all gangsters.

Find the link yourself, copy and past the title you ignorant person. Put your brain to work, you couldnt figure that one out yourself? Copy and paste the title into google and go from there.

[thewestside]

Your right, we should have taken the average of all the estimates instead of arguing back and forth between whose source was right. This has taught me one thing though, not to take Jerry Capeci seriously, That is the first time I have heard some one compare the Albanians to the Greeks. The Greeks are only small time gambling semi-gangsters.

Capeci knows his stuff but that doesn't mean he's always right. And when it comes to numbers, like how many members a criminal group has, it's better to get as many estimates as possible. And in recent years, most estimates have had the Colombo Family (which is the smallest LCN Family in New York) at about 100 members. Capeci's estimate of 75-85 members was relatively low as compared to all the other estimates. As of yet, besides that one, I've never seen an estimate of any New York LCN Family go below 100 members.

-()- Yes there is a lot of information missing on Albanian organised crime because the crime groups are very clannish relying on blood, marriages and close friendship dating back to Albania.

-()- However, what you have to understand westside, that today's generation of Albanians have a high percentage of criminals. I dont mean 60% of anything close to that but I mean 1-2%. When I said the Albanians out number the Italians. You should take it seriously. La Cosa Nostra has 2,500 members and affiliates. A percentage of that being Albanian. However, there is 550,000 - 750,000 Albanians in America, mostly crammed up in New York, Boston, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, Ohio. If 1-2% of them are criminals then what does that leave you with? 5,500-14,000 Albanian criminals in America. Probably somewhere closer to the 5,000 area. But 1% of them are garaunteed criminals unfortunantly. Its the era we're in. As generations go by, the percentage will drop. Just like it did with the Italians, Russians and everyone else.

I'm not sure where you got that figure of 2,500 members and affiliates. That's the figure for the Sicilian Mafia in the U.S. The American LCN has approximately 1,100 members remaining. Estimates for associates range anywhere from 2 to 10 associates for every member depending on the area, as well as who's giving the estimate. Again, 1-2% of the Albanian population being criminals is just an assumtion on your part. And even if that were the case, that doesn't mean they are all criminals involved in organized crime. So, until there is more concrete data available, you can't really say that the Albanians have more manpower than the Italians.

True, but Albanians have proven to be air tight. There has not been one Albanian rat so far. I doubt that not a single Albanian gangster in the world hasent ratted on their fellow gangsters (tat would be impossible) but not one has been made public or been brought to my eye.

Give it time. It will happen. The LCN had been in the U.S. for decades before the first officially known member (Joe Valachi) became an informant. No group has ever proved invulnerable to having it's members flip.

Well all I did was quote Michael Garcia, an Attorney in New York. I agree the Albanians are not the most dominant group in New York city when it comes to anything but violence and pure manpower. Keeping in mind that most Albanians in America do not exceed the age of 45.

Once again, whether they are the most violent or not, they don't have the most manpower. There are groups that are far bigger in numbers than both the Italians and Albanians.

[Faciulina]

Find the link yourself, copy and past the title you ignorant person. Put your brain to work, you couldnt figure that one out yourself? Copy and paste the title into google and go from there.

i did genius and i saw only the streetgangforum ahaahahahah

In Italy, it might have lowered people perspectives of the Italian syndicates as well.

yeah.... ahahahahah even the italian goverment can't low people perspective of the italian syndicates they are too powerful even for the governmet... it have to send the italian army to calm down them... but of course the albanian gangs can go against them

[Faciulina]

Once again, whether they are the most violent or not, they don't have the most manpower. There are groups that are far bigger in numbers than both the Italians and Albanians.

the numbers don't count much the organization count the most you can have 100.000 criminals from a country but if they are not organized they are nothing just chickenthieves or low drug dealers but 1.000 mafiosi and 10.000 associates are enough to run a whole country

Give it time. It will happen. The LCN had been in the U.S. for decades before the first officially known member (Joe Valachi) became an informant. No group has ever proved invulnerable to having it's members flip.

probably the american goverment is not so interested to have albanian informants because they don't run so much in the states they have not any political influence like the italians have... in north italy there were some albanian informants but according to police the albanian groups are too flexible to be a real threat because they have not permanent structures and hierachies like the southern italians have

[AlbaniaUnited]

I'm not sure where you got that figure of 2,500 members and affiliates. That's the figure for the Sicilian Mafia in the U.S. The American LCN has approximately 1,100 members remaining. Estimates for associates range anywhere from 2 to 10 associates for every member depending on the area, as well as who's giving the estimate. Again, 1-2% of the Albanian population being criminals is just an assumtion on your part. And even if that were the case, that doesn't mean they are all criminals involved in organized crime. So, until there is more concrete data available, you can't really say that the Albanians have more manpower than the Italians.

Wait... your telling me that the American LCN is different then the Sicilian mafia in America? So there are 2,500 members and affiliates of the Sicilian mafia in the US and then there are 1,100 American LCN members with 2-10 associates each? I got that 2,500 number from you. I though the American LCN had 2,500 members and associates.

Also the 1-2% estimate was an assumption but 1% is garuanteed. That is not an ethnic hype but 1% of Albanians in America are criminals. Whether they are organized criminals or not varies. But the point is 1% of Albanians in America are gangsters. This number is relatively low compared to Albanians in Europe. Mainly because the Albanians who came to America came in search of a non-criminal life. Italy being a European example, over 6000 incarcerated and 17,000 arrested in a single year.

No group has ever proved invulnerable to having it's members flip.

Yes, maybe in a couple generations a gap will open. Its likely, especially taking into consideration how fast people Americanize living in America now a days.

Once again, whether they are the most violent or not, they don't have the most manpower. There are groups that are far bigger in numbers than both the Italians and Albanians.

Yes I am aware of that. I was only comparing them to organized crime groups. Not every criminal group in the country. The Mexicans obviously have more manpower then both for example being as most of them are immigrants (in huge numbers) and the Mexican organizations located in the US as well as in Mexico.

[AlbaniaUnited]

i did genius and i saw only the streetgangforum ahaahahahah

http://www.segretariatosociale.rai.it/I ... cereE.html
-There is the link which shows that there are over 6,000 incarcerated Albanians in Italy. Keeping in mind that the majority of the 1008 inmates from the former state of Yugoslvia are Albanians from Kosova.

yeah.... ahahahahah even the italian goverment can't low people perspective of the italian syndicates they are too powerful even for the governmet... it have to send the italian army to calm down them... but of course the albanian gangs can go against them

I did not say the Albanian gangs can go against them. It is just that that certain Albanian group was obviously angered by the actions of an Italian family. They went against them, its true but that doesnt mean every Albanian group followed. The Albanians and Italians have the most harmony between each other then any other foreign group does with the Italian Syndicates. This being because the Albanians are the most powerful foreign group in Italy by far and the Italians being the most powerful group in Italy. As well as the valuable services the two organizations offer each other on both sides of the Adriatic. But that certain Albanian group went against the Mafia. It might have for some people freckled the vision people have of the Italian mafia in Italy but I doubt anyone will take it as a sign of weakness for the Syndicates because some crazy Albanians went against them with machine guns. It signaled the Albanian criminal's ferociousness more then anything really.