how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby CheGuevara on Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:44 am

Azure9920 wrote:BOC in Canada doesn't even match the extent of any of the smaller groups in Southern Ontario.


Okay, now go fcuk yourself. This was just fcuking stupid right here. I already stated that IOC is bigger then BOC in Canada but this is just too much. You really get carried away quickly.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby Azure9920 on Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:52 am

CheGuevara wrote:
Azure9920 wrote:BOC in Canada doesn't even match the extent of any of the smaller groups in Southern Ontario.


Okay, now go fcuk yourself. This was just fcuking stupid right here. I already stated that IOC is bigger then BOC in Canada but this is just too much. You really get carried away quickly.


Can you provide an example of Albanian organized crime operating in Canada, let alone numerous examples? The lack of evidence is not evidence.

However, you stating that someone else is "stupid" when referring to Canadian organized crime is hilarious.

Remember these gems?

"I would say BOC exceeds IOC in Marijuana and Human trafficking as well as counterfeiting currency."
"Why is it a joke? I have yet to hear of Italians right now being more active in anything except for gambling and cocaine and heroin."
"And if you knew anything, you would know that BC marijuana is the marijuana that most people in Canada and America are looking to buy wholesale."
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby CheGuevara on Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:59 am

Azure9920 wrote:"I would say BOC exceeds IOC in Marijuana and Human trafficking as well as counterfeiting currency."
"Why is it a joke? I have yet to hear of Italians right now being more active in anything except for gambling and cocaine and heroin."
"And if you knew anything, you would know that BC marijuana is the marijuana that most people in Canada and America are looking to buy wholesale."


For the first one, take away counterfeiting.

Second one, I stand by it.

Third one, not in America, I mean for Canadian marijuana. BC bud is the favorite Canadian marijuana. I mean't people in America prefer BC marijuana over any other type of marijuana in Canada.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby Azure9920 on Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:01 am

CheGuevara wrote:
For the first one, take away counterfeiting.


Okay, so where's the proof they exceed the Italians in marijuana? You've yet to explain how you support that. I mean, you don't even know who Michael Decicco is. I could name off a bunch of guys that have been caught running the largest grow ops in Canada, and been responsible for the largest importation busts in Canada, and you'd have no clue who the fu-- they were. Except Vito Rizzuto and Alfonso.

Second one, I stand by it.


Financial crime? Extortion? Etc, etc etc.

Third one, not in America, I mean for Canadian marijuana. BC bud is the favorite Canadian marijuana. I mean't people in America prefer BC marijuana over any other type of marijuana in Canada.


Source?
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby CheGuevara on Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:11 am

You can sit there and act like you know everything but the facts are facts. I am not just gonna sit here and believe whatever you tell me to. If you're trying to tell me IOC is the biggest forme of organized crime in Canada, I will call you a liar. AOC is the biggest followed by EEOC followed by IOC followed by African OC followed by Balkan OC.

Look at the Canada threat assessment. You have thewestside saying the Italians dominate the cocaine importation almost completely but the assessment clearly states that the Colombians are the intermediaries between the Italians in Canada and Colombians in Colombia.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby Azure9920 on Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:28 am

CheGuevara wrote:facts are facts.


Indeed, they are.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby Azure9920 on Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:21 pm

CheGuevara wrote:You can sit there and act like you know everything but the facts are facts. I am not just gonna sit here and believe whatever you tell me to. If you're trying to tell me IOC is the biggest forme of organized crime in Canada, I will call you a liar. AOC is the biggest followed by EEOC followed by IOC followed by African OC followed by Balkan OC.

Look at the Canada threat assessment. You have thewestside saying the Italians dominate the cocaine importation almost completely but the assessment clearly states that the Colombians are the intermediaries between the Italians in Canada and Colombians in Colombia.


However, you seem to be mistaken in your readings. That isn't a "ranking" of OC groups, as you mistakenly seem to think, but rather an assessment of who the RCMP is going to be focusing on this period. IOC took a major hit with Colisee 2 years ago, so it wouldn't make sense for law enforcement to focus on them. The Hells Angels(a group your "rankings" seem to have forgotten, yet you failed to notice, further illustrating your lack of knowledge on the situation.) have also been hit hard by high level busts in the past year all across the country, hence why they aren't on the assessment either. Asian groups, despite being among the top three branches of OC in Canada, have remained relatively unscathed, hence being labeled the #1 priority for the RCMP. The Russians, or "EEOC" as it's properly called, have recently emerged as a group of interest, and are again being targeted by law enforcement to "stomp out" the problem before it gets any larger.

To think that is any sort of "ranking" is ridiculous, and furthermore, the "ranking" not including the Hells Angels and you buying it further demonstrates how very little you know.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby razbojnik on Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:50 pm

CheGuevara wrote:You can sit there and act like you know everything but the facts are facts. I am not just gonna sit here and believe whatever you tell me to. If you're trying to tell me IOC is the biggest forme of organized crime in Canada, I will call you a liar. AOC is the biggest followed by EEOC followed by IOC followed by African OC followed by Balkan OC.

Look at the Canada threat assessment. You have thewestside saying the Italians dominate the cocaine importation almost completely but the assessment clearly states that the Colombians are the intermediaries between the Italians in Canada and Colombians in Colombia.


It's run by turf. It's no overall, I can give you specific details of which group runs which intersection in Toronto followed by neighbourhoods, locations, and cities in the GTA as a whole.

But I can't. I bid you adiu in your deathmatch against Azure.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby razbojnik on Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:57 pm

LOL...

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Anyhow...

Ahem

KnL

KnL is a large Tamil Gang located on Kennedy and Lawrence (K'n'L) in the West Side Scarborough Area. Representing WEST SIDE, KnL has great ties to their allies VVT which also represents West Side Scarborough. A gang consisting of 20 to 30 year olders and having over 200 members from the Kennedy and Ellesmere, Kennedy and Lawrence, and Kennedy and Eglinton areas. Almost all KnL members went to Winston Churchill C.I. a high school which is located at the K'n'L area. K'n'L's closest allies are VVT, TOE, OLN, MM, Gilder, all gangs representing WEST SIDE. KnL also has a bitter war with their rivals AK Kannan, Silver Springs, and TUX all gangs which represent East Side. There gang leaders are said to be two leaders which go by the names of "Biggie" from the Kennedy and Eglinton Area, and Susi from the Kennedy and Ellesmere(K'n'E) area. In June of 2008 co-founder of KnL Susitheran was deported for the murder of 3, shooting of 3, and the stabbings, and beatings of others.WEST SYDERZ

The VVT (police believe) is a Tamil crime syndicate from Toronto, Canada which was founded in the early 1990s by Tamil immigrants and named for Valvettithurai, a northern Sri Lankan town. This group dominated the west end of the city from their stronghold in Etobicoke and prominently known for being from West Side Scarborough. They were considered to be highly organized and very dangerous with over 250 members ranging in age from their early teenage years to men in their 30s. In the mid 90's, the VVT had an ongoing war with another powerful Tamil gang called the AK Kannan based out of East Side Scarborough. There was a brief truce in 1998 after community members brokered a peace deal in a Richmond Hill Hindu temple, but a homicide a year later renewed the fighting, until the infamous police raids in 2001. Unlike their rivals, the VVT have multiple leaders who represent their respective territories through out the GTA, Waterloo, Hamilton, Ottawa and Montreal. Even after the deportation of some prominent members, Authorities believe this gang is still in operation through its younger generation, although admittably not as powerful or as organized as it once was. VVT members are heavly involved in credit/debit card frauds, currency counterfitting, alien smuggling, robberies, extortion and weapons/drug trafficking. The VVT gang has great ties with their allies K'n'L based out of the West Side Scarborough area on Kennedy Road. VVT, KnL and other gangs which are allies with these two gangs are known to represent the WEST SIDE meaning West Side Scarborough, or West side Toronto in some cases as well. They are known for Controlling the West side Scarborough area and the rest of Toronto west from Scarborough. The Eastside rivals are known for controlling East Side Scarborough and everywhere east from there.WEST SYDERZ

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WESTSYDERS LOL

I knew kids from these gangs. Alot of kids.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby Azure9920 on Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:44 pm

What does that have to do with anything?
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby CheGuevara on Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:02 pm

Azure9920 wrote: IOC took a major hit with Colisee 2 years ago, so it wouldn't make sense for law enforcement to focus on them.


lmao. This is another assumption. This could possibly be even stupider then Hoxha being moderate. LMAO! Azure, give it up. Your ASSumptions don't hold water. Why do you think you can explain and know everything? Of course that was a ranking system. The Asians wouldn't be mentioned first if they weren't the prime target and EEOC wouldn't be mentioned second if it wasen't the second most primary target. IOC/LCN follows third. I don't know where the OMG would rank. They weren't even mentioned. According to your sources, the OMG seems to be just a little junior partner of the Italian syndicates. Maybe that's why they weren't mentioned.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby PolakoMafia on Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:15 am

"Another hypothetical scenario that would never happen in real life. La Eme is a Hispanic group. They tax Hispanic street gangs."

theyt axed the Mongols and theya re mixed not even dominant hispanic and not really a street gang either.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby Babmuk on Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:53 am

West Side Scarborough?lol,,those fools to the east off yonge,ok but they represent ws of Scarbourough lol
And what i know about tamils they won't ever do to you anything if they are separated only when they are clicked up like 10 or 20
Representing tamil tigers behind ocean lol
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby razbojnik on Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:09 am

Azure9920 wrote:What does that have to do with anything?


Dubis mein schatz.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby razbojnik on Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:22 am

Babmuk wrote:West Side Scarborough?lol,,those fools to the east off yonge,ok but they represent ws of Scarbourough lol
And what i know about tamils they won't ever do to you anything if they are separated only when they are clicked up like 10 or 20
Representing tamil tigers behind ocean lol


There's 300,000 Tamils in the GTA and 300,000 Macedonians. Why do they act hard all the time? Honestly? They also have an enormous pride in the Tamil Tigers.

That's like us going around with the Macedonian flag taking pride in the Wolves, Scorpions and Lions. Or even worse the Serbs, which there's like 200,000 of in the GTA, taking pride in Arkan's Tigers and going around flashing images of Arkan and with the Serbian flag and shit.

You know what happens then? Both the Croat and Bosnian community as well as the Albanian community go to war with the Serbian community and Toronto turns into Baghdad like Pristina, Tetovo, Skopje and Kosovska Mitrovica are. Of course, after a couple small riots, like the Canadians are pussies, they'll call out the national guard or something and have heavily armed police officers patrol the streets, I mean lol they called the national guard when there was a north pole like snowstorm to help clear the shit up. I #%@&#%@ lol'd when that happened.

And that what? There's a difference between having more police and having ETF2 raids on Serb, Croat, Bosniak and Albanian HQ.

Of course, this will trigger a chain reaction. The Serbs will be like yo Macedonians help us out, all of a sudden the number of Macedonians will increase and we'll stop wearing baseball hats and change our last names from Smith or Brown to Ivanovski or Angelov or something and all of a sudden the Bulgarian community gets involved like hey wtf we have a Macedono-Bulgarian Holy Trinity Church and shit together and like hey fu-- politics back home we're the same people yo and then the Greeks like WTF hey we're supposed to be with them together, then the Albanians come out of nowhere and cheap shot the Greeks so the Greeks are like fu-- the Macedonians yo Serbs we're on your side brothas.

So then the Russians and Ukranians get pissed off at wtf is going on and then like the Russian mobsters come out of nowhere like hey stolich volt berbat na volshoy krabat and come in and AK47 everything.

500,000 Greeks, 250,000 Russians, 300,000 Macedonians, 200,000 Serbs, 100,000 Bulgarians, 100,000 Albanians(most fly over from the Bronx as foreign fighters xD), 100,000 Croats, 100,000 Bosniaks and ALLL MOTHERFUCKIN HELL BREAKS LOOSE.

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM

BABBAAP BAPAPA

As for Russian and black gangsters, lol, blacks are scared of mobsters in general. The blacks try to copy every aspect of the Italian mob culture. Balkan OC basically put out that sterotype out there --- so mob enforcers aren't fat 70 year olds like in Casino anymore, they're more like the far muscular fucks in Gommorah.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby VostokSila on Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:49 am

Of course, this will trigger a chain reaction. The Serbs will be like yo Macedonians help us out, all of a sudden the number of Macedonians will increase and we'll stop wearing baseball hats and change our last names from Smith or Brown to Ivanovski or Angelov or something and all of a sudden the Bulgarian community gets involved like hey wtf we have a Macedono-Bulgarian Holy Trinity Church and shit together and like hey fu-- politics back home we're the same people yo and then the Greeks like WTF hey we're supposed to be with them together, then the Albanians come out of nowhere and cheap shot the Greeks so the Greeks are like fu-- the Macedonians yo Serbs we're on your side brothas.

So then the Russians and Ukranians get pissed off at wtf is going on and then like the Russian mobsters come out of nowhere


hehehehehehe... okay.. let's play your imaginative scenario.

lol Russians will be like... fu-- all them Balkan fools rioting. And just keep minding their own business.

stolich volt berbat na volshoy krabat


what the fu-- is this??? LMAO XXDDDDDDD
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby Azure9920 on Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:31 am

CheGuevara wrote:
Azure9920 wrote: IOC took a major hit with Colisee 2 years ago, so it wouldn't make sense for law enforcement to focus on them.


lmao. This is another assumption. This could possibly be even stupider then Hoxha being moderate. LMAO! Azure, give it up. Your ASSumptions don't hold water. Why do you think you can explain and know everything? Of course that was a ranking system. The Asians wouldn't be mentioned first if they weren't the prime target and EEOC wouldn't be mentioned second if it wasen't the second most primary target. IOC/LCN follows third. I don't know where the OMG would rank. They weren't even mentioned. According to your sources, the OMG seems to be just a little junior partner of the Italian syndicates. Maybe that's why they weren't mentioned.


You're an idiot. You didn't even know what Colisee was prior to me, or the westside mentioning it, and you're attempting to tell other people about OC in Canada? This is foolish. You can't even comprehend how a threat assessment works!
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby VostokSila on Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:32 am

ohhhhhh god damnit!!!!! Albanians arent shit in canada or the us or in europe.. they are street level in europe, selling weed and hashish. so what if they control heroin?? lol in everything else they are passed by Russians and Italians. Jesus why do you even listen to this moron... except for Albania, Turkey and Greece they dont got shit.
Oh.. also they are big in italy.

Johnny... u know its true, if it was not then you would not try so hard to prove to us how big they were. They are passed by Russians and Italians almost everywhere. In Austria the Chechens hold more than Albanians OHHHH nothing is even said about Chechens?? lol u said the same about Albanians, that no one knows about them... fuckin shit... what kind of guns they got anyway?? they dont got shit.. lol this moron sais that it is DEBATEABLE who is more into guns Russians or Albanians. lol Italians got more guns than Albanians.

Why do u even try to prove him wrong??






whoever agrees with this please post "albans aint shit" in the end of your reply.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby Azure9920 on Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:41 am

For the record, there are fewer than 300,000 South Asians in total in the GTA, let alone Tamil's alone. And there are less than 30,000 Macedonians in the GTA as well.
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Re: how do Russian and black gangsters interact in general and

Postby DutchGangster69 on Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:37 pm

"albans aint shit"
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