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Former Bush Admin Says Official Story of WTC Collapse 'Bogus

Unread post by SkoobyDoo » June 16th, 2005, 7:56 pm

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Former Bush Admin Economist Says Official Story of WTC Collapse 'Bogus'


A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing serious doubts about the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9-11.

Former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is "bogus" and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7.

Reynolds, who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas and is now professor emeritus at Texas A&M University said, "If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling."

Reynolds commented from his Texas A&M office, "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either. The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings."

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Unread post by GottaLoveLA » June 18th, 2005, 5:25 pm

WTF

what do they say when they see the planes blow up in the WTC?

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Unread post by SkoobyDoo » June 18th, 2005, 7:34 pm

GottaLoveLA wrote:WTF

what do they say when they see the planes blow up in the WTC?
What he's saying is, the planes alone shouldn't have caused the towers to fall down.

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Unread post by BABYBRAZE » June 19th, 2005, 3:46 pm

well ask a building constructor n he'll tell u otherwise. wut happened happened its not no inside conspiracy n all that. not everything u read n see is the gov. covering things up n all that. ppl think too deep

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Unread post by BlaKK » June 19th, 2005, 8:17 pm

No, A Plaine alone didn't cause the Twin Towers to Topple, It was the intense heat Upon the steal, Steal Can Only Be so strong, Till it is heated in 900 degrees for hours, It will Give, as did the world trade centers... Dont be so Nieve and Believe all these Bogus conspiracys... No Shyt a Plain Alone can not Knock Out two 100,000,000,000 Ton Buildings, But "Heat" Can...

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Unread post by BlaKK » June 19th, 2005, 8:18 pm

Steal Turns into Clay after Hours of 900 Deg. Heat. Litteraly, its as soft as Clay.

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Unread post by Mraka » June 20th, 2005, 7:55 am

BlaKK wrote:Steal Turns into Clay after Hours of 900 Deg. Heat. Litteraly, its as soft as Clay.
The structure inside the metal changes at even lower degrees.You named it.At this temperature it becomes fluid.
Like frozen butter is hard as a stone,if you wait you can stick a piece of chalk in it,but it is still not oil.

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Unread post by se11 » June 20th, 2005, 9:39 am

people who make up conspiracy theories for things like this are just looking for comfort. people are so uncomfortable with the fact that a bunch of arabs attacked us, that they make things like this up. they are just looking for a way to help themselvs.

i seen a whole show on conspiracy theories. one guy thought the moon landing was a fake, another guy said that the people that were suppose to be killed on 9/11 are all living on a government base working for them somewhere, and another guy thought the JFK assassination was a fake. they were all proved wrong.

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Unread post by SkoobyDoo » June 20th, 2005, 11:45 am

I don't think the government is telling the whole truth.

Check this website: http://www.prisonplanet.com

From the beginning, the Bush administration claimed that burning jet fuel caused the collapse of the towers. Although many independent investigators have disagreed, they have been hard pressed to disprove the government theory since most of the evidence was removed by FEMA prior to independent investigation.

Critics claim the Bush administration has tried to cover-up the evidence and the recent 9/11 Commission has failed to address the major evidence contradicting the official version of 9/11.

Some facts demonstrating the flaws in the government jet fuel theory include:

-- Photos showing people walking around in the hole in the North Tower where 10,000 gallons of jet fuel supposedly was burning..

--When the South Tower was hit, most of the North Tower's flames had already vanished, burning for only 16 minutes, making it relatively easy to contain and control without a total collapse.

--The fire did not grow over time, probably because it quickly ran out of fuel and was suffocating, indicating without added explosive devices the fires could have been easily controlled.

--FDNY fire fighters still remain under a tight government gag order to not discuss the explosions they heard, felt and saw. FAA personnel are also under a similar 9/11 gag order.

--Even the flawed 9/11 Commission Report acknowledges that "none of the [fire] chiefs present believed that a total collapse of either tower was possible."

-- Fire had never before caused steel-frame buildings to collapse except for the three buildings on 9/11, nor has fire collapsed any steel high rise since 9/11.

-- The fires, especially in the South Tower and WTC-7, were relatively small.

-- WTC-7 was unharmed by an airplane and had only minor fires on the seventh and twelfth floors of this 47-story steel building yet it collapsed in less than 10 seconds.

-- WTC-5 and WTC-6 had raging fires but did not collapse despite much thinner steel beams.

-- In a PBS documentary, Larry Silverstein, the WTC leaseholder, told the fire department commander on 9/11 about WTC-7 that. "may be the smartest thing to do is pull it," slang for demolish it.

-- It's difficult if not impossible for hydrocarbon fires like those fed by jet fuel (kerosene) to raise the temperature of steel close to melting.

Despite the numerous holes in the government story, the Bush administration has brushed aside or basically ignored any and all critics. Mainstream experts, speaking for the administration, offer a theory essentially arguing that an airplane impact weakened each structure and an intense fire thermally weakened structural components, causing buckling failures while allowing the upper floors to pancake onto the floors below.

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Unread post by SkoobyDoo » June 20th, 2005, 11:46 am

One who supports the official account is Thomas Eager, professor of materials engineering and engineering systems at MIT. He argues that the collapse occurred by the extreme heat from the fires, causing the loss of loading-bearing capacity on the structural frame.

Eagar points out the steel in the towers could have collapsed only if heated to the point where it "lost 80 percent of its strength," or around 1,300 degrees Fahrenheit. Critics claim his theory is flawed since the fires did not appear to be intense and widespread enough to reach such high temperatures.

Other experts supporting the official story claim the impact of the airplanes, not the heat, weakened the entire structural system of the towers, but critics contend the beams on floors 94-98 did not appear severely weakened, much less the entire structural system.

Further complicating the matter, hard evidence to fully substantiate either theory since evidence is lacking due to FEMA's quick removal of the structural steel before it could be analyzed. Even though the criminal code requires that crime scene evidence be kept for forensic analysis, FEMA had it destroyed or shipped overseas before a serious investigation could take place.

And even more doubt is cast over why FEMA acted so swiftly since coincidentally officials had arrived the day before the 9/11 attacks at New York's Pier 29 to conduct a war game exercise, named "Tripod II."

Besides FEMA's quick removal of the debris, authorities considered the steel quite valuable as New York City officials had every debris truck tracked on GPS and even fired one truck driver who took an unauthorized lunch break.

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Unread post by se11 » June 21st, 2005, 9:04 am

you see skooby cannot live with the fact that we were attacked.

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Unread post by Mraka » June 21st, 2005, 9:08 am

am I right?there should have been a training scenario for the Air Force taking place on that day?

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Unread post by BABYBRAZE » June 21st, 2005, 9:55 pm

all those theories u built or stole or copied. will b laughed at by sum1 who builds buildings 4 a living. we were attacked n not by out own gov. thats wut it is deal with it

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Unread post by SkoobyDoo » June 22nd, 2005, 5:17 pm

Yeah we were attacked, by the government knew about it and they turned their back on it. Cuz they saw the opportunity to invade Iraq.

And if you look at that website and other articles you'll see people that DO build building for a living and openly dispute the official government findings.

Open your eyes and stop believing everything this lieing ass government says to you.

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Unread post by se11 » June 22nd, 2005, 7:38 pm

believe what you want, your just looking for excuses.

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Unread post by BABYBRAZE » June 22nd, 2005, 11:31 pm

se11 wrote:believe what you want, your just looking for excuses.
lol thank u. n skooby i dont beleive alot the gov. says but there not gonna kill that many people to invade iraq. theres ppl in the gov who died in them n gov. ppls family memebers who died in that. ur finden the %5 of doubters in construction n taken there word for it. so many people hear these conspiracy's n get all wrapped up in them. we got attacked. deal with it and move on. people saying we didnt are looking 4 attention or just hate bush. no disrespect but you probably fit in both of those place's

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Unread post by Helms » June 23rd, 2005, 7:55 am

BlaKK wrote:Steal Turns into Clay after Hours of 900 Deg. Heat. Litteraly, its as soft as Clay.
Simple as that. Consider the weight of the floors above on the weakened structure. No explosives needed.

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Unread post by Sentenza » June 23rd, 2005, 3:00 pm

at least iraq didnt have shit to with it. and the guy who made an insurance contract for the WTC got maaaaad paid and is now somewhere in russia.
i dont belive in that conspiracy shit aswell.
Maybe it was a great weapon for the Bush administration to excuse all the shit they do but still...
Osama did it and thats it.

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Unread post by SkoobyDoo » June 23rd, 2005, 4:48 pm

There are reports that major stock holders of airlines sold some of their stock just before the planes hit the towers. Cuz they knew the airline stocks would go down the drain.

Osama did do it, but either he had help within our government or our government had prior knowledge of it and did nothing cuz they saw opportunitys.

NORAD can track every single plane in the sky all over the world. When those four planes went off course, the airports radio them to see what's going on. They had plenty of time to shoot down those planes and to notify the air force that they were taken over. But they didn't cuz Chaney told NORAD to stand down.

There is so much evidence to suggest a coverup of some sort.

If any of you believe that 19 terriorist did this all by themselves, then i got some swamp land in South Dakota to sell you.

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Unread post by BABYBRAZE » June 25th, 2005, 2:06 pm

SkoobyDoo wrote:There are reports that major stock holders of airlines sold some of their stock just before the planes hit the towers. because they knew the airline stocks would go down the drain.

Osama did do it, but either he had help within our government or our government had prior knowledge of it and did nothing because they saw opportunitys.

NORAD can track every single plane in the sky all over the world. When those four planes went off course, the airports radio them to see what's going on. They had plenty of time to shoot down those planes and to notify the air force that they were taken over. But they didn't because Chaney told NORAD to stand down.

There is so much evidence to suggest a coverup of some sort.

If any of you believe that 19 terriorist did this all by themselves, then i got some swamp land in South Dakota to sell you.
tehy did radio them. and got no response. so now if a plane has a problem with the radio's n decides to land to get it fixed ur gonna shoot it down? and 19 people can do alot more then hijack a few planes

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Unread post by Sentenza » June 25th, 2005, 6:46 pm

BABYBRAZE wrote:
SkoobyDoo wrote:There are reports that major stock holders of airlines sold some of their stock just before the planes hit the towers. because they knew the airline stocks would go down the drain.

Osama did do it, but either he had help within our government or our government had prior knowledge of it and did nothing because they saw opportunitys.

NORAD can track every single plane in the sky all over the world. When those four planes went off course, the airports radio them to see what's going on. They had plenty of time to shoot down those planes and to notify the air force that they were taken over. But they didn't because Chaney told NORAD to stand down.

There is so much evidence to suggest a coverup of some sort.

If any of you believe that 19 terriorist did this all by themselves, then i got some swamp land in South Dakota to sell you.
tehy did radio them. and got no response. so now if a plane has a problem with the radio's n decides to land to get it fixed ur gonna shoot it down? and 19 people can do alot more then hijack a few planes
those 19 guys were only the cannon fodder in a bigger game. the true heads that organized it have the power and money to organize such an event. The caught the US on the wrong foot and it was a success foe them. They didnt even expect the towers to break down, as osama himself admitted. There are videos i have seen where he says that.

i think the Us government has profitted a lot from those terrorist attacks and are therefore not as upset as they claim. I think in fact they dont give a shit about those 3000+ dead. 3000 dead dont mean much for politicians. all around the world AND in the US.
They make mad money of those dead.

So maybe they contributed their part not to prevent those attacks cause they knew all doors would be open for them afterwards.
Try to think like a politcian. They are plannning years in advance and there is evidence that the Bush administration was desperately looking for a reason to attack Iraq before 9/11. And there is evidence that the CIA warned the Bush administration about a desastrous terrorist attack in the next months in the beginning of 2001. They knew what would happen and didnt do shit to prevent it.

Cause they knew it would be very very useful for them and their money bags......

if anyone is interested i can provide links for that.

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Unread post by Mraka » June 26th, 2005, 1:55 am

BABYBRAZE wrote:
SkoobyDoo wrote:There are reports that major stock holders of airlines sold some of their stock just before the planes hit the towers. because they knew the airline stocks would go down the drain.

Osama did do it, but either he had help within our government or our government had prior knowledge of it and did nothing because they saw opportunitys.

NORAD can track every single plane in the sky all over the world. When those four planes went off course, the airports radio them to see what's going on. They had plenty of time to shoot down those planes and to notify the air force that they were taken over. But they didn't because Chaney told NORAD to stand down.

There is so much evidence to suggest a coverup of some sort.

If any of you believe that 19 terriorist did this all by themselves, then i got some swamp land in South Dakota to sell you.
tehy did radio them. and got no response. so now if a plane has a problem with the radio's n decides to land to get it fixed ur gonna shoot it down? and 19 people can do alot more then hijack a few planes
they were talking on the phone with a stewardess.

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Unread post by SkoobyDoo » July 9th, 2005, 6:33 am

Video of firefighters on 9/11 who said they saw bombs going off in WTC:

http://www.bcrevolution.ca/Video/discus ... house2.WMV

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