Mexico Issues Stamps of Black Character

[never die inside]

To Dr.Gonzo:

You damn fool. Here is a little gift for your ass!!!

MEXICO CITY, Mexico (Reuters) -- Mexico's tiny black community demanded Monday that President Vicente Fox apologize for a set of stamps featuring a black comic book figure that U.S. civil rights groups have slammed as racist.

The Asociacion Mexico Negro, which represents some 50,000 blacks living on the Pacific coast, said in a letter to Fox that Memin Pinguin, a 1940s comic book character drawn with thick lips and a flat nose, was stereotypical and racist.

"Memin Pinguin rewards, celebrates, typifies and cements the distorted, mocking, stereotypical and limited vision of black people in general," said the letter signed by leaders of the association.

The letter marks the first official complaint from a Mexican group over the stamps, which went on sale last week and provoked a storm of controversy in the United States. U.S. civil rights groups said they should be withdrawn.

Fox has said the stamps are not racist and ignored calls to pull them from circulation. His Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez said the affair was exaggerated by "specific groups in the United States who make a living from this kind of scandal."

"They look more ridiculous than we do," he said in a radio interview.

Political correctness is barely existent in Mexico, where there are few black immigrants, Caucasians are commonly addressed as "Guero" ("Whitey") and dark-skinned locals are nicknamed "Morenito" or "Negro" without causing offense.

Generations of Mexicans grew up reading the cartoon strip escapades of Memin Pinguin, a mischievous black boy whose looks and monkey-like antics are endearing but embody outdated ideas about blacks, like many comic books of the time.

"The stamps are 101 percent offensive, there is no doubt about it," said Rev. Glyn Jemmott, a Catholic priest in the 98 percent black village of El Ciruelo in Guerrero state, and one of the signatories of the letter.

"What is evident is the level of tolerance of racism that exists in the country. We are accustomed to racism to the point where anyone who dares question it runs the risk of being considered unpatriotic," he told Reuters by telephone.

Rejecting the U.S. criticism and insisting they are not racist, Mexicans have been lining up to buy the stamps. One state has rationed sales because of high demand, and the stamps have been bid as high as $200 per sheet in Internet auctions.

Mexicans are often accused of discrimination against Indians, who often live hand to mouth in poor communities.

Their lack of sensitivity to racism against blacks may be worse because Mexicans so rarely see black people.

Jemmott lives in one of a cluster of tight-knit black communities along the Pacific coast, south of Acapulco, that are home to thousands of descendants of slaves. Many Mexicans are unaware the communities exist.

In May, U.S. civil rights groups were outraged when Fox remarked that Mexican immigrants in the United States did jobs "not even blacks" would do.

Copyright 2005 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/ ... index.html

When Fox loses this upcoming Presidential election (pretty good chance he will), this is a cause of celebration for Blacks and independent-thinking Aztecs all over the Americas.

Here is an article that came out last week, where Mexico's Roman Catholic Church calls Vicente Fox a "traitor".

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N13638788.htm

[Dr. Gonzo]

Just 50,000 black mexicans found it offensive? I wonder why the number wasn't bigger when their is around 700,000 black mexicans in the pacific coast area.

i believe that the black mexicans are on the east coast of Mexico, not the west pacific coast, right?

The black mexicans are in the pacific coast areas like Oaxaca and Guerrero. The east coast has areas like Veracruz. And, I'm not justifying the stamp all, I'm saying it's not a big of a deal because it's just a stupid stamp. The mexican mestizo people and it's government are far more racist towards the dark skinned indians.

[Kab]

I find it offensive. Pretty sure the afro-mexicans don't have much of a voice, nor even considered. So many things play into this and pretty sure the powers that be would like all to be swpt under the rug. Come on, the gov. in Mex likes its population to be in the dark just like here.

Read about people in El Salvador going through some really rough times and pretty much cut off aswell.

[Lonewolf]

As I read on, I come to see that “indeed” many of you are offended by this Memin Piguin character and portrayal. And now even Blacks in Mexico have voiced their concerns and dislike for this racial stereotyping.

Yet several things are overlooked in my opinion.

1 – Mexico is not the United States, and has a completely different outlook on race issues then we do here. In Mexico it is the Spaniards and their ancestors, whom are the elite and rulers even to this present day. And these people have always looked down upon “all” others in Mexico.

2 – Mexico’s masses of people do not view Black people with the same racist eyes as most of you have experienced in this U.S. of A., in fact many celebrated Black Latino artists and celebrities are amongst the list of loved and “respected” icons of Mexico.

Mexicans “can not” see you with the same racist eyes as Americans do, because they have not gone thru the multiple race factors of this country. Most Mexicans live a poor and marginalized life, but with an enduring joyful spirit of camaraderie. “FUN” & “LAUGHTER” is what keeps their heads above the water and enables them to survive. Take for instance gays in Mexico, even though they don’t have nearly as many of the same rights that gays in the U.S. have, they nevertheless are a part of the society and “do not” have to hide in the closet. You see them in just about every movie made in Mexico, they’re renown artists, and they are poked fun and laughed "with" in just about everything be it on stage or the streets, yet they are not vilified nor attacked, they are participants of that culture of laughing "with" everyone and "at" everyone, no one gets a free pass in Mexico, no one is exempt of being mocked in a friendly get over it and carry on type of way. But Mexicans will not be so quick in tolerating a gay man whom plays the part of a man and is not true to himself or to those around him (in other words a fake), if he is gay “then be gay” out in the open –dress the part, talk the part, walk the part, be all that you can be –just don’t try to be an undercover joto, because that is what is not tolerated.

In this example one can see that Mexican society is more readily accepting of differences in people and not the racist or machismo people that others wish to implant on them. For the most part, it is those people that wish to view or understand Mexico under the light of their own life and experience in their own society, yet they fail to understand the fact that different Nations have different national attitudes and different outlooks, and different attitudes on surviving their hostile environments.

Take the spanish/Mexican language, everything one says in spanish has a double-meaning, and the only way you can differentiate what is being said, is through the understanding of what you are talking about and who you are talking with, which makes it either a formal talk or a secretive talk excluding even the person next to them from the true message in the conversation. And just about everything can be also taken in a make fun of way "for kicks and laughter" –this last being what goes on most of the time amongst Mexicans in everyday regular conversation, be it at work, at the hangout, or at the house. This is a norm, hardly any real Mexicans speaks without this type of fun in conversation, that is why you always see them either sad or laughing –never the serious look- unless you managed to get him/her angry –then you gotta watch out.

For instance Black people tend to bash on each other with words that to others sound like insults and a fight for sure, yet they are not and all is cool between them. But Mexicans do not speak to each other in such words directly, instead they use a symbolism type of double-meaning in their conversations to get the point across without getting straight up in your face with it, because of the simple yet real fact that ones you throw something at me straight out –then there is simply no other way out of it but to retaliate in kind –a sure recipe for discord which is not acceptable in a “structure” that relies on you having my back at all times. Therefore a line has to be drawn “you have to be real & you have to keep the respect”.

One thing which is used in Mexican society to measure people, is in that person(s) strength demostrated in their tolerance and bearing-up to the realities and hardships which life brings. In Mexico life is not as sweet as we have it here, like the question asked “If you had to be a poor man in this life but you got to choose which country you would be a poor, which country would you chose? It surely would not be Mexico for most of you, for even the poor in the U.S. are rich in comparison to the Mexican poor.

Mexicans do not worry themselves with race issues as one does in America. They are far too engaged in everyday living, be it finding enough work to make ends meet, or at days-end –lets have some fun and relaxation to ease the pressures of life.
NO SUCH THING AS BLACK RACISM BY THE MASSES OF MEXICANS IN “MEXICO”.

The fight is over corruption & lands, that is why the Mexican “INDIAN” is at the bottom of the totem-pole down here, he has the land that corrupt officials and wealthy elite would like to get their hands on, therefore they are kept un-educated and division is fomented within their ranks by outside forces.

I wonder just how much division between Mexicans & Blacks is fomented in this country by forces outside the communities, which seek not land but the preservation of power under the status quo. THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE.

[Common Sense]

Good reply Lonewolf. I think we have two cultures looking at one issue coming from total different baggage.

The Memin Penguin character looks like the animated stereotype of black people in the U.S. South from the 1920's-1940's. Being that the U.S. tends to lead the charge in public opinion worldwide, I can probably see how Mexico jumped on the band wagon with the same style of black characters.

Here's what he looks like:
http://groups.msn.com/FANSDEMEMINPINGUIN/memin1.msnw

To tell you the truth, I don't know which character is worse. Menim Penguin of Mexico or T-bone and his baby's momma acting like fools on The Maury Povich show 5 day's a week. Both represents the worse of black people.

[100]

FOR NOW ON SAY MEZTIZO MEXICANS OR SPANISH MEXICANS CAUSE MEXICO IS NOT A COUNTRY WITH ONE PARTICULAR TYPE OF PEOPLE. SAYING MEXICANS(NAME OF COUNTRY) AND BLACKS(RACIAL OR UNITED STATES ETHNIC LABEL FOR AMERICAN NEGROS DOES NOT REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE NOW DO IT?


AND SINCE THESE AFRICAN-MEXICANS VOICED THEIR OPINION WHY HAS IT NOT BEEN HEARD ON AIRWAYS AND ONLY ON WEB SITES?

[blackmanofhonor]

Point blank,the stamps are offensive.Whites and mexicans in the comic book look human,while blacks look like apes.

[Common Sense]

Point blank,the stamps are offensive.Whites and mexicans in the comic book look human,while blacks look like apes.

Agreed.

[blackmanofhonor]

To tell you the truth, I don't know which character is worse. Menim Penguin of Mexico or T-bone and his baby's momma acting like fools on The Maury Povich show 5 day's a week. Both represents the worse of black people.

Menim Penguin does not represent black people.He represents his creators ignorance and hatred.And the clowns and sluts you see on Maury(many of whom are white) dont represent me or any other black person.They represent themselves as individuals.

[blakman]

What is up with mexicans coming up with all kinds of excuses and finding all kinds of reasons for us, as black people, to just accept this non-sense and just act like it's no big deal. As a black man,I'm telling you that, it is a big deal!! Other black males and females have also came out and said that, what the mexican government did was and is a big deal. Now we have black-mexicans telling you that, it is a big deal to them to!! But for some reason mexicans keep telling us to just get over it. It's not racist,they keep saying. If it's not a racist cartoon of blacks,then why is everybody in that cartoon seen as human beings, but they have us playing the monkey role? They don't have one black character in that cartoon who remotly looks human, but you're try to get me to beleive that there is nothing racist about that? The sh*t they did was just foul man, and some of you mexicans know it to!!! So what's up with defending this B.S man!!!!

[Lonewolf]

What is up with mexicans coming up with all kinds of excuses and finding all kinds of reasons for us, as black people, to just accept this non-sense and just act like it's no big deal. As a black man,I'm telling you that, it is a big deal!! Other black males and females have also came out and said that, what the mexican government did was and is a big deal. Now we have black-mexicans telling you that, it is a big deal to them to!! But for some reason mexicans keep telling us to just get over it. It's not racist,they keep saying. If it's not a racist cartoon of blacks,then why is everybody in that cartoon seen as human beings, but they have us playing the monkey role? They don't have one black character in that cartoon who remotly looks human, but you're try to get me to beleive that there is nothing racist about that? The sh*t they did was just foul man, and some of you mexicans know it to!!! So what's up with defending this B.S man!!!!

I can understand and accept the fact that this cartoon character can be or is offensive and racist to you and many others, there is no quarrel from me on this part of the issue. However the part about Mexicans being racist as a whole Nation, this I profoundly differ from you and others of the same mind. That there is racism in Mexico -for sure, no doubt about it, but that there is a national racism towards Black People, this is not at all true, it is simply BS -period.

If Mexicans by having chosen a Black Child to represent their everyday life experiences in a comic strip and by it they have become racist to your eyes, then they are racist only because of ignorance in your American struggle, and not because they hate Blacks.

If Mexicans refuse to agree with you on the stereotype presentation of Blacks that goes in hand with the visual portrayal of this character, then they are guilty only of not viewing Memin under the same stereotype you view it under.

If Mexicans decide to keep or cancel the Memin stamp is completely up to them to decide, because ultimately Mexico is its own country -not the U.S.
And if you have a problem with this, then by all means voice out your concern and angryness. This is precicely what we have been doing here on this forum and this topic. And if you wish to take it further, then write to your rep's here in the U.S. so that they also voice out your concerns. Whatever you do, do it with common sense and dilligent respect, because coming out with an all-encompassing "Mexicans are racist" assumptions, is precicely the same stereotyping that you loudly speak against in this Memin character.

DON'T FALL VICTIM TO THE SAME EVIL THAT YOU FIGHT AGAINST.

~" P E A C E "~

[Common Sense]

DON'T FALL VICTIM TO THE SAME EVIL THAT YOU FIGHT AGAINST.

Sooo true........

[blackmanofhonor]

DON'T FALL VICTIM TO THE SAME EVIL THAT YOU FIGHT AGAINST.

Sooo true........

Hard to respect people that obviously view us as monkeys.I mean Memin looks like a fucking chimp.Thats not a black man. Fu** anyone who supports these stamps,its ridiculous and disrespectful.

[Common Sense]

The stamps are stereotyping black people, and Menim does look like a chimp. I agree with you. The animation is severely outdated.

I think what Lonewolf was sayin' was "you can't fight racism with being racist." That's what I believe he saying.

[blackmanofhonor]

The stamps are stereotyping black people, and Menim does look like a chimp. I agree with you. The animation is severely outdated.

I think what Lonewolf was sayin' was "you can't fight racism with being racist." That's what I believe he saying.

Fuck mexico

[Common Sense]

fu-- mexico

There are alot of good people there, who are just trying to make a living and survive just like you.

[100]

If Mexicans by having chosen a Black Child to represent their everyday life experiences in a comic strip and by it they have become racist to your eyes, then they are racist only because of ignorance in your American struggle, and not because they hate Blacks.

If Mexicans refuse to agree with you on the stereotype presentation of Blacks that goes in hand with the visual portrayal of this character, then they are guilty only of not viewing Memin under the same stereotype you view it under.

If Mexicans decide to keep or cancel the Memin stamp is completely up to them to decide, because ultimately Mexico is its own country -not the U.S.
And if you have a problem with this, then by all means voice out your concern and angryness.

~" P E A C E "~

If Mexicans refuse to agree with you on the stereotype presentation of Blacks that goes in hand with the visual portrayal of this character, then they are guilty only of not viewing Memin under the same stereotype you view it under.

YOUR STATMENT IS FULL OF stuff IF AFRICAN MEXICANS ARE NOT REPRESENTED WHY REPRESENT THAT STAMP WHICH LOOKS LIKE A DAMN MONKEY WHY DIDN'T THEY DO AN INDIAN ONE? AFTER ALL INDIANS STILL LIVE IN MEXICO AND ARE RECOGNIZED CITIZENS AND NOT AFRICANS!

If Mexicans by having chosen a Black Child to represent their everyday life experiences in a comic strip and by it they have become racist to your eyes, then they are racist only because of ignorance in your American struggle, and not because they hate Blacks.

LIKE I SAID WHY CAN'T THEY CHOOSE AN INDIAN WHO HAS BEEN STRUGGLING IN MEXICO AND SUPPOSENLY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!


If Mexicans decide to keep or cancel the Memin stamp is completely up to them to decide, because ultimately Mexico is its own country -not the U.S.
And if you have a problem with this, then by all means voice out your concern and angryness.

YOUR RIGHT! WHICH IS TO WHY FOX MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT BLACKS IN AMERICA WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MEXICO.
WHY SHOULD HE CARE ABOUT WHAT MEXICANS GET WHEN THEY COME OVER HERE TO WORK AFTER ALL THIS IS AMERICA NOT MEXICO! HE WANTS BETTER WAGES AND WHAT NOT BUT FAIL TO REALISE THAT THE UNITED STATES IS NOT MEXICO, YOU SHOULD REALISE THAT I FLIP YOUR STATEMENT AROUND ABOUT U.S AND MEXICO

[Lonewolf]

I don't beleive that you understood my post as I intended it to read out.
Ultimately what the U.S. decides to do within its own borders, can not be changed by what people in Mexico think or would like. Case made with the long debated illegal immigration and amnesty issue that has been put on the backburner since 9/11. Yet Mexico's representatives to the U.S. have continued to lean on the U.S. on the subject. And they continue to voice out the double standards and bad treatment that undocumented immigrants face while working in the U.S. That is what is expected from such representatives, and that is exactly what your representatives should also be doing. But at the end, you have to recognize that neither country rules as the other dictates, they may compromise, but it is out common agreement and benefit, and not because of anything else. having said this, I bring forward this reply to presidente Fox's racial comment, which I had already written before you brought out the issue.

V V V V

A MAN SPEAKS WHAT RESIDES IN HIS HEART" AND FOX FOCKED UP BY SPEAKING HIS MIND IN THE PUBLIC ARENA, JUST LIKE THE TERMINATOR DID ALSO A FEW WEEKS BACK "CLOSE THE BORDER" - REMEMBER?

I wrote the v v v v in response to the same issue on another site.

I do believe that since Mr. Fox is Mexico's top rep' to the world, he should watch how he communicates his message, more so than others in government. But having said this, I do see and understand clearly the "truth" in the implication made, whether Americans and/or Black-Americans care to acknowledge or not, the fact remains that Blacks are viewed in American society -because of their skin color- lowest on the totem pole, even more so than Mexicans or Undocumented Immigrants. And Blacks as well as most of Us in this country -refuse to perform a number of honest jobs- which are viewed with the attitude of "no way, ain't doing that type of work," even if the pay was on par with other professions.
Black-Americans were slatted for those jobs in the past by the American system, which saw it as the appropriate place for them. Today, the same view is still held about Black people, except that "today" they will not enter the slaughterhouse that easily. Therefore the undocumented worker fills the positions to which "American society" still believes is the Black-Americans dutiful place. So when I hear Fox saying this, he is basically saying what American society practices on this ethnic minority, and how the undocumented worker is also fitted conveniently into that same America racial logic.

P.S. "YES" President FOX is a racist, he has demonstrated it before you all, 1st by saying what he said, 2nd by not apologizing for it, 3rd by the non-mentioning of Mexico's 3rd root of Black ancestry Mexicans. These people together with "many" Native Indians of Mexico are being systematically displaced from their lands and forced into servitude at the bottom of the totem pole.

RACISM HAS BEEN PRACTICED ON MEXICO'S "CASTE SYSTEM" POPULATION BY THE SPANIARDS AND CRIOLOS (MEXICAN BORN SPANIARDS OF NON-MIXED BLOOD), EVEN ONTO THIS PRESENT ERA.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I don't beleive that you understood my post as I intended it to read out.
Ultimately what the U.S. decides to do within its own borders, can not be changed by what people in Mexico think or would like. Case made with the long debated illegal immigration and amnesty issue that has been put on the backburner since 9/11. Yet Mexico's representatives to the U.S. have continued to lean on the U.S. on the subject. And they continue to voice out the double standards and bad treatment that undocumented immigrants face while working in the U.S. That is what is expected from such representatives, and that is exactly what your representatives should also be doing. But at the end, you have to recognize that neither country rules as the other dictates, they may compromise, but it is out common agreement and benefit, and not because of anything else. having said this, I bring forward this reply to presidente Fox's racial comment, which I had already written before you brought out the issue.

V V V V

A MAN SPEAKS WHAT RESIDES IN HIS HEART" AND FOX FOCKED UP BY SPEAKING HIS MIND IN THE PUBLIC ARENA, JUST LIKE THE TERMINATOR DID ALSO A FEW WEEKS BACK "CLOSE THE BORDER" - REMEMBER?

I wrote the v v v v in response to the same issue on another site.

I do believe that since Mr. Fox is Mexico's top rep' to the world, he should watch how he communicates his message, more so than others in government. But having said this, I do see and understand clearly the "truth" in the implication made, whether Americans and/or Black-Americans care to acknowledge or not, the fact remains that Blacks are viewed in American society -because of their skin color- lowest on the totem pole, even more so than Mexicans or Undocumented Immigrants. And Blacks as well as most of Us in this country -refuse to perform a number of honest jobs- which are viewed with the attitude of "no way, ain't doing that type of work," even if the pay was on par with other professions.
Black-Americans were slatted for those jobs in the past by the American system, which saw it as the appropriate place for them. Today, the same view is still held about Black people, except that "today" they will not enter the slaughterhouse that easily. Therefore the undocumented worker fills the positions to which "American society" still believes is the Black-Americans dutiful place. So when I hear Fox saying this, he is basically saying what American society practices on this ethnic minority, and how the undocumented worker is also fitted conveniently into that same America racial logic.

P.S. "YES" President FOX is a racist, he has demonstrated it before you all, 1st by saying what he said, 2nd by not apologizing for it, 3rd by the non-mentioning of Mexico's 3rd root of Black ancestry Mexicans. These people together with "many" Native Indians of Mexico are being systematically displaced from their lands and forced into servitude at the bottom of the totem pole.

RACISM HAS BEEN PRACTICED ON MEXICO'S "CASTE SYSTEM" POPULATION BY THE SPANIARDS AND CRIOLOS (MEXICAN BORN SPANIARDS OF NON-MIXED BLOOD), EVEN ONTO THIS PRESENT ERA.

So true. That's what these idiots don't understand. Racism towards indians is alot worse then towards blacks. Blacks make up less then 1% of the mexican population. Indians are so negatively thought of that they ain't even worth putting on a stupid stamp.

[Common Sense]

Most people who consistently accuse and point the finger at others, are usually the one's not contributing for change, especially within themselves.

[Lonewolf]

Most people who consistently accuse and point the finger at others, are usually the one's not contributing for change, especially within themselves.

I wonder just how many racist Mexicans from south of the border have to do with the Black on Black violence in America which costs so many lives every day?

[blackmanofhonor]

fu-- mexico

There are alot of good people there, who are just trying to make a living and survive just like you.

I meant the government and whoever supports these stamps.I didnt mean every mexican.

[blackmanofhonor]

Most people who consistently accuse and point the finger at others, are usually the one's not contributing for change, especially within themselves.

I dont agree with that.Its used alot by racists to somehow excuse thier BS,as if you pointing out thier BS makes you part of the problem.

[100]

Most people who consistently accuse and point the finger at others, are usually the one's not contributing for change, especially within themselves.

I wonder just how many racist Mexicans from south of the border have to do with the Black on Black violence in America which costs so many lives every day?

NONE HOMOSEXAUL! DO BLACKS IN AMERICA HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH stuff THAT GO ON THERE?

HMM HOW MANY BLACKS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MEZTIZO ON MEZTIZO VIOLENCE OR INDIAN ON INDIAN VIOLENCE IN MEXICA

[blackmanofhonor]

I don't beleive that you understood my post as I intended it to read out.
Ultimately what the U.S. decides to do within its own borders, can not be changed by what people in Mexico think or would like. Case made with the long debated illegal immigration and amnesty issue that has been put on the backburner since 9/11. Yet Mexico's representatives to the U.S. have continued to lean on the U.S. on the subject. And they continue to voice out the double standards and bad treatment that undocumented immigrants face while working in the U.S. That is what is expected from such representatives, and that is exactly what your representatives should also be doing. But at the end, you have to recognize that neither country rules as the other dictates, they may compromise, but it is out common agreement and benefit, and not because of anything else. having said this, I bring forward this reply to presidente Fox's racial comment, which I had already written before you brought out the issue.

V V V V

A MAN SPEAKS WHAT RESIDES IN HIS HEART" AND FOX FOCKED UP BY SPEAKING HIS MIND IN THE PUBLIC ARENA, JUST LIKE THE TERMINATOR DID ALSO A FEW WEEKS BACK "CLOSE THE BORDER" - REMEMBER?

I wrote the v v v v in response to the same issue on another site.

I do believe that since Mr. Fox is Mexico's top rep' to the world, he should watch how he communicates his message, more so than others in government. But having said this, I do see and understand clearly the "truth" in the implication made, whether Americans and/or Black-Americans care to acknowledge or not, the fact remains that Blacks are viewed in American society -because of their skin color- lowest on the totem pole, even more so than Mexicans or Undocumented Immigrants. And Blacks as well as most of Us in this country -refuse to perform a number of honest jobs- which are viewed with the attitude of "no way, ain't doing that type of work," even if the pay was on par with other professions.
Black-Americans were slatted for those jobs in the past by the American system, which saw it as the appropriate place for them. Today, the same view is still held about Black people, except that "today" they will not enter the slaughterhouse that easily. Therefore the undocumented worker fills the positions to which "American society" still believes is the Black-Americans dutiful place. So when I hear Fox saying this, he is basically saying what American society practices on this ethnic minority, and how the undocumented worker is also fitted conveniently into that same America racial logic.

P.S. "YES" President FOX is a racist, he has demonstrated it before you all, 1st by saying what he said, 2nd by not apologizing for it, 3rd by the non-mentioning of Mexico's 3rd root of Black ancestry Mexicans. These people together with "many" Native Indians of Mexico are being systematically displaced from their lands and forced into servitude at the bottom of the totem pole.

RACISM HAS BEEN PRACTICED ON MEXICO'S "CASTE SYSTEM" POPULATION BY THE SPANIARDS AND CRIOLOS (MEXICAN BORN SPANIARDS OF NON-MIXED BLOOD), EVEN ONTO THIS PRESENT ERA.

So true. That's what these idiots don't understand. Racism towards indians is alot worse then towards blacks. Blacks make up less then 1% of the mexican population. Indians are so negatively thought of that they ain't even worth putting on a stupid stamp.

Indians have nothing to do with this.I hate it when people act like one wrong excuses another,or makes another less bad.We are talking about Memin Penguin and how these stamps are offensive to blacks.

[blackmanofhonor]

Most people who consistently accuse and point the finger at others, are usually the one's not contributing for change, especially within themselves.

I wonder just how many racist Mexicans from south of the border have to do with the Black on Black violence in America which costs so many lives every day?

Black on Black violence is another subject and has nothing to do with this.Is your rationale ''blacks kill blacks so Ill dare them say anything when we make comics and stamps with whites/mexicans looking like human beings and them looking like monkeys''.Stay on subject,dont bring other shit into this(if its not relevent) as if it somehow excuses these offense racist stamps.

[Common Sense]

I meant the government and whoever supports these stamps.I didnt mean every mexican.

Okay. Agreed. The stamps are offensive.

[Common Sense]

Most people who consistently accuse and point the finger at others, are usually the one's not contributing for change, especially within themselves.

I dont agree with that.Its used alot by racists to somehow excuse thier BS,as if you pointing out thier BS makes you part of the problem.

I don't participate with extending problems. I may point it out, but I usually try to aid with a solution. It has been my experience that constant complainers were too busy complaining to get anything done. While the dooers were too busy getting things done for change, they didn't have time to complain. They had a job to do.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Indians have nothing to do with this.I hate it when people act like one wrong excuses another,or makes another less bad.We are talking about Memin Penguin and how these stamps are offensive to blacks.

I'm not making an excuse. All, I'm saying is the mexican government looks down on dark people.

[never die inside]

Indians have nothing to do with this.I hate it when people act like one wrong excuses another,or makes another less bad.We are talking about Memin Penguin and how these stamps are offensive to blacks.

I'm not making an excuse. All, I'm saying is the mexican government looks down on dark people.

is the government run by dark people?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Indians have nothing to do with this.I hate it when people act like one wrong excuses another,or makes another less bad.We are talking about Memin Penguin and how these stamps are offensive to blacks.

I'm not making an excuse. All, I'm saying is the mexican government looks down on dark people.

is the government run by dark people?

Hell no! Does Vicente Fox look dark to you?

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'Brothers'

In Mexico City, hundreds flocked to post offices to try and get their own copies of the stamps.


Mr Fox urged Americans to read the Memin Pinguin comics
Many took exception to comments by White House spokesman Scott McClellan that the stamps "have no place in today's world".

"We are not racists. We are not offending anyone. He is a very sweet character," shopper Teresa Montalvo said.

"People's colour is all the same to us, we are all brothers."

Businessman Cesar Alonso Alvarado accused the US of discriminating against Mexico, a country without a significant black community and little understanding of political correctness.

"They're the racists. They're worse than we are, but they just want to belittle us, like always," he said.

But there was criticism of the Mr Fox in Mexico's newspapers

"The capacity of Fox's government for provoking international scandals through predictable or avoidable details is incredible," La Jornada wrote.



WHY DID THIS MEXICAN PERSON SAY THAT THERE IS NO BLACK COMMUNITY IN MEXICO IN BOLD PRINT