What The Mexicans Trying To Prove

These concepts are socially constructed and have been given much weight. What are your thoughts?

Postby MICK » October 7th, 2005, 6:55 pm

DOOBIE'S BACK wrote:HEY MICK HOMEBOY, ARE YOU IN THE "SECOND CITY" IF YOU ARE HOMIE, DONT BE PUTTING IT OUT THAT MEXICANS ARE SHOOTING UP BLACK COMMUNITIES. IT GOES BOTH WAYS. BACK IN THE DAY, BLACKS CAUSED SOOO MUCH CRIME THAT REPORTING HATE CRIME AGAINST MEXICANS WAS SO COMMON IT WAS PART OF THE "CRIME WAVE" NOW EVERYONE WANTS TO CRY AND MOAN ABOUT BLACK FOLK GETTING LIT UP AND POINT THE FINGER AS HISPANICS BEING RACIST. I AGREE, THERE ARE SOME BAD DUDES OUT THERE THAT HAVE HEAD HUNTED AGAINST BLACKS BUT WHITES HAVE DONE IT ALOT WORSE THEN THE RAZA (LYNCHINGS AND SHIT) TARGETING INNOCENT BLACKS IS CHICKEN SHIT AND SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED BUT I BELEIVE THEIR IS/WAS A REASON FOR IT ALL. REMEMBER THE RAZA PUSHED A LINE WHEN WE GAINED NUMBERS AND NOW BLACKS ACTING LIKE WE ONLY MAKE NOISE WHEN THEIR ARE NUMBERS. THATS NOT TRUE. WHEN THEY HAD NUMBERS IN THIER HOODS, THEY KEPT LATINOS IN CHECK BY TERRORIZING, BEATINGS, ROBBERY, RAPE, ETC. NOW, THE RAZA HAS MADE A LINE AND RISING UP. BLACKS SHITTED IN SOOO MANY COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE U.S AND PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF IT. WE ARE A CLOSE-KNIT FAMILY AND WHEN DUDES GOT OLDER THEY REMEMBERED ALL THEM BEATINGS AND PUNKINGS THEY WERE SUBJECTED TOO. WE GAINED OUR OWN HOODS AND BLACK FOLKS LOST/GAVE UP/WENT TO JAIL/ETC AND LEFT HOMES THAT GOT PUT UP FOR SALE. WE BOUGHT THEM AND MOVED OUR FAMILIES IN. THE FEW REMAINING BLACKS FEEL/FELT UNCOMFORTABLE AND ARE LEAVING. SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST HATE/GANGS. IT'S ABOUT DEMOGRAPHICS, FAMILY, JOBS, ETC. PEOPLE WHNNING THAT THEY CANT UNDERSTAND PEOPLE WITH ACCENTS WORKING AT BURGER KING. WHOS FAULT IS THAT? YOUNG BLACKS LEFT THOSE JOBS IN SEARCH OF BIGGER MONEY, I.E, HUSTLING, DRUGS, ETC. THEN THESE COMPANIES HIRE ONE LATINO AND SEE THIER WORK ETHIC, OPEN THEIR ARMS AND ASK THEM TO BRING MORE OF THEIR FRIENDS. WE HAVE A GREAT WORK ETHIC, WE ARE CONTENT PEOPLE, AND WE ARE FAIRLY QUIET. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A BLACK DAY LABORER? WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A BLACK DUDE SELLING ORANGES/ROSES/CHERRIES ON AN ISLAND OR THE FREEWAY? NONE, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO. THESE ARE JUST A FEW THINGS, IN MY OPINION, WHY RAZA IS GAINING AND WANTING THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES/NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WANT TO BE AROUND OUR OWN. WE SHOULDN'T ATTAIN IT THOUGH, THROUGH MEANS OF VIOLENCE. BUT LIKE THE SAYING GOES, "WHAT COMES AROUND, GOES AROUND" WHAT WENT AROUND TO MEXICANS, IS GOING AROUND TO BLACKS. THATS MY TWO CENTS...


HAHAHA. Read my posts again hermano. I was agreeing with everything you just said.

As far as the work ethic, and friendliness of hispanics, amen hermano.
Read some of the other posts Ive made throughout the site, and you see the same thing in different words.

Your right. You never see a black day laborer. If it was up to me Mexicans would be able to work here with no worries.
Im sorry to say it, but their work ethic is better than most Americans.


Read the first post I made on this thread my brother.
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Postby DOOBIE'S BACK » October 7th, 2005, 8:37 pm

YOU RIGHT MICK, I KIND OF JUMP THE GUN ON THIS THREAD BUT I SEE THIS PHONY, BOLOGNA, CHUMP NAMED "THE REAL" AND ALL HIS BOLOGNA AND IT MAKES ME MAD. IS THIS RACIAL PEDO JUMPING OFF IN CHI-TOWN? IN PILSEN? I WAS IN CHICAGO THE LAST WEEK OF AUGUST AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH THAT CITY. GOOD FOOD, NICE LOOKING WOMEN, GOOD VIBES OUT THERE. OF COURSE, I DID ALOT OF TOURISTY SHIT BUT WE HIT SOME COOL SPOTS AND DUG THE SCENE. DO ESE'S OUT THAT WAY FUNK WITH GD'S/VL'S/LK'S? I HEARD THAT SOME OF THE RAZA BEEFS WITH LATIN KINGS. HOW TRUE IS THAT? ANYWAYS, WE NEED TO STOP ALL THIS MADNESS, BECAUSE IN THE LOS, IT IS GETTING DOWN RIGHT SCARY.
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Postby MICK » October 7th, 2005, 9:42 pm

Its cool hermano.

I'll be honest with ya, NOBODY out here can REALY f*ck with the Kings.
GD have the money and strength to, but not enough numbers. Although they are HUGE in numbers, the Kings have even more.
VLs arent realy any force anymore, and yea, some raza f*ck with the Kings, but usualy get put in their place pretty quick. Although there are a few sets that have stood their ground against the Kings.

AND YES the Mexican/Black beef is here too.

My wife is from Peru, and her nephew, who is about 17 gets heat at school from the black kids, even though he's not Mexican. They dont seem to care. If you look, you can see it here too.

Im glad you liked Chi. Its kinda hard not to fall in love with it. Ive been here my whole life, and I'll die here too.

Did you get a chance to see Wrigley Field? Im in walking distance. haha.

There are NUMEROUS Irish cliqs out here, but no HUGE Irish gangs. Cliqs of up to like, 30-40 members. They keep low profiles though. When caught they deny membership to the end. They are smart. But if your in the neighborhood, you know who is who, and what they belong to.
But when the cops show up, "the gang doesnt exist".
And then of course, there is the old Irish Neighborhood Code.....Dont talk to cops. So nobody ever snitches. Same code the Italians tend to follow.

Certain Latin Kings sets here are real cool with some of the Irish cliqs, like Irish Pride, Lucky 13 and Krazy Drunken Micks.

The rest ally with various other hispanic sets. Kinda hard to keep track of. haha.

Theres one cliq called Blue Eyed Devils, they sound like a white power gang, but they arent. Just a normal Irish cliq. they used to kick it alone. But they arent realy around anymore. Mostly cause of their fued with Lucky 13.

The gang scene and structure out here is VERY different than LA's.
If your not from here, you would almost have to study the sh*t to completely understand it.
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Postby MICK » October 7th, 2005, 9:46 pm

But if you have any questions feel free to pm me.
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Postby DOOBIE'S BACK » October 8th, 2005, 8:07 am

YEA MAN, I GOT TO SEE THE CUBS VS. DODGERS. WE TOOK THE "EL" TRAIN FROM DOWNTOWN. GOOD GAME, CUBS WON. ANYWAYS, THAT'S CRAZY THAT BLACKS ARE TRIPPING. I GUESS IT'S INEVITABLE.
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Postby MICK » October 8th, 2005, 8:13 am

I WAS AT THAT GAME TOO! hahaha.


Yea it is inevitable. What can ya do?
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Postby blackmanofhonor » October 9th, 2005, 3:18 pm

MICK wrote:Its cool hermano.

I'll be honest with ya, NOBODY out here can REALY f*ck with the Kings.
GD have the money and strength to, but not enough numbers. Although they are HUGE in numbers, the Kings have even more.
VLs arent realy any force anymore, and yea, some raza f*ck with the Kings, but usualy get put in their place pretty quick. Although there are a few sets that have stood their ground against the Kings.

AND YES the Mexican/Black beef is here too.

My wife is from Peru, and her nephew, who is about 17 gets heat at school from the black kids, even though he's not Mexican. They dont seem to care. If you look, you can see it here too.

Im glad you liked Chi. Its kinda hard not to fall in love with it. Ive been here my whole life, and I'll die here too.

Did you get a chance to see Wrigley Field? Im in walking distance. haha.

There are NUMEROUS Irish cliqs out here, but no HUGE Irish gangs. Cliqs of up to like, 30-40 members. They keep low profiles though. When caught they deny membership to the end. They are smart. But if your in the neighborhood, you know who is who, and what they belong to.
But when the cops show up, "the gang doesnt exist".
And then of course, there is the old Irish Neighborhood Code.....Dont talk to cops. So nobody ever snitches. Same code the Italians tend to follow.

Certain Latin Kings sets here are real cool with some of the Irish cliqs, like Irish Pride, Lucky 13 and Krazy Drunken Micks.

The rest ally with various other hispanic sets. Kinda hard to keep track of. haha.

Theres one cliq called Blue Eyed Devils, they sound like a white power gang, but they arent. Just a normal Irish cliq. they used to kick it alone. But they arent realy around anymore. Mostly cause of their fued with Lucky 13.

The gang scene and structure out here is VERY different than LA's.
If your not from here, you would almost have to study the sh*t to completely understand it.


GDs are deeper than LKs you idiot

and the mexican/black beef is not anything huge here,the SDs(mexicans) are cool with GDs,LKs(mostly mexican) on the southside are family with the Black P Stones,and the Latin Counts(mexicans) are tight with the Vice Lords.


Stop letting these white folks get away with the same old divide and conquer BS,neither blacks nor mexicans control america we are just pawns to the ones with REAL power.They want us fighting over thier crumbs.
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Postby blackmanofhonor » October 9th, 2005, 3:28 pm

MICK wrote:^^^ Thats wrong. I garuntee blacks have done more damage in the inner city to Mexicans than whites.

Secondly, yes marines...actualy, it was sailors, went hunting down Mexicans to beat up. But that kinda sounds the same as a car full of black gang members looking for a Mexican drive by victim doesnt it? NO it actualy sounds worse huh? None of the sailors in the riots went looking to shoot Mexicans. Im not justifying beating someone down either, but at least they werent running around killing people like black gang members do.

And as far as the Minutemen, brother, you act like they are somekind of f*ckin hate group.
They arent. Most of those guys are fluent in spanish and only have weapons for intimidation pourposes. I personaly think Mexicans should be able to come here and work without problems (you can read MANY of my other posts where I have said the same thing.)
But the minutemen feel that the government isnt taking action, so they said, f*ck it, lets do it ourself. If they were shooting or even beating up Mexicans, they would be arrested. They arent part of the government, they are citizens. If they assault someone, they get punished for it.
They arent a hate group, they are a group with a cause, and they dont have intentions of "hunting" Mexicans. They are simply on the bordewr guarding.

And why arent they on the Canadian border? Jesus Christ. LOL was that a serious question brother?
Because Canadians arent crossing the border illegaly.
the 600 illegal immagrants that cross in one day are crossing the Mexican border, not the Canadian border. Come on bro...........

And as far as the general mindset, your basicly saying that more whites hate hispanics than blacks do? Where did you collect this fact? Sounds like an opinion to me.

And finaly, as far as "the most severe assaults" on the Mexican community, if you compare numbers, I assure you that blacks are in the lead.

And its like I said to Blackmanofhonor, If the Mexicans have had the worst treatment at the hands of whites, then why are they shooting up black communities and not white ones?
Dont you think if they realy hated us, they would be in our hoods shooting us?

Something to think about.

~Mick


For the same reasons mexicans shoot other mexicans and blacks shoot other blacks.When you are trapped in a cage what else can you do accept fight each other.
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Postby blackmanofhonor » October 9th, 2005, 3:35 pm

MICK wrote:Its cool hermano.

I'll be honest with ya, NOBODY out here can REALY f*ck with the Kings.
GD have the money and strength to, but not enough numbers. Although they are HUGE in numbers, the Kings have even more.
VLs arent realy any force anymore, and yea, some raza f*ck with the Kings, but usualy get put in their place pretty quick. Although there are a few sets that have stood their ground against the Kings.

AND YES the Mexican/Black beef is here too.

My wife is from Peru, and her nephew, who is about 17 gets heat at school from the black kids, even though he's not Mexican. They dont seem to care. If you look, you can see it here too.

Im glad you liked Chi. Its kinda hard not to fall in love with it. Ive been here my whole life, and I'll die here too.

Did you get a chance to see Wrigley Field? Im in walking distance. haha.

There are NUMEROUS Irish cliqs out here, but no HUGE Irish gangs. Cliqs of up to like, 30-40 members. They keep low profiles though. When caught they deny membership to the end. They are smart. But if your in the neighborhood, you know who is who, and what they belong to.
But when the cops show up, "the gang doesnt exist".
And then of course, there is the old Irish Neighborhood Code.....Dont talk to cops. So nobody ever snitches. Same code the Italians tend to follow.

Certain Latin Kings sets here are real cool with some of the Irish cliqs, like Irish Pride, Lucky 13 and Krazy Drunken Micks.

The rest ally with various other hispanic sets. Kinda hard to keep track of. haha.

Theres one cliq called Blue Eyed Devils, they sound like a white power gang, but they arent. Just a normal Irish cliq. they used to kick it alone. But they arent realy around anymore. Mostly cause of their fued with Lucky 13.

The gang scene and structure out here is VERY different than LA's.
If your not from here, you would almost have to study the sh*t to completely understand it.



VLs are super deep and have thousands upon thousands of members in Chicago.WTF do you mean they arent a force?And drunken irish micks?Lucky 13?sounds like some shit you made up.Just about the only allies the Latin Kings have are the Black P Stones.

Doobie I really hope you arent dumb enough to let this fool convince you that blacks and latinos hate each other in chicago and whites are just innocent bystanders.ALL of the latinos in chicago have black allies.
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Postby perongregory » October 9th, 2005, 3:50 pm

mexicans can't go into beverly hills and blast on whites. the popo will be on them in 2 secs. And I aint never heard or been around G's who say fuck it lets go blast on some mexicans unless it was hood beef. and I have first hand experience. My brother in law is selo hoova, got beef with the south los, (mexican gang), the only mexicans they get down wiith. Hell, some other mexicans wanted to hire selo to jack some mexican drug dealers for some kilos.

Mexicans do fuck with whites it's not how you think it is. Young mexican G's punk and beat white kids in mixed public schools. But no hard ass veterano is going to go seek some random white gang to fuck with when they got no beef. But yes that veterano or that black G is going to fuck with the other race who's fuckin with they money and turf, or rob that black or mexican civ. walkin down the street. Should cambodians and the different asian gangs that got beef with mexicans blast on mexican civ.? should we make a thread about that and exaggerate on it, and say well mexicans beat and terrorized the hard-working cambodians who came to work in America? I hate when people exaggerate or lie about this kinda shit. we both poor, we both live in the ghetto, we both fighting like a mufucka just to get up, (at least the productive ones are).

Gang bangers if you wanna blast people keep it to other bangers, cause the poor mexicans and blacks thats tryna do something else with their lives don't need to be wrapped up in that BS.
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Postby blackmanofhonor » October 9th, 2005, 6:43 pm

perongregory wrote:mexicans can't go into beverly hills and blast on whites. the popo will be on them in 2 secs. And I aint never heard or been around G's who say fu-- it lets go blast on some mexicans unless it was hood beef. and I have first hand experience. My brother in law is selo hoova, got beef with the south los, (mexican gang), the only mexicans they get down wiith. Hell, some other mexicans wanted to hire selo to jack some mexican drug dealers for some kilos.

Mexicans do fu-- with whites it's not how you think it is. Young mexican G's punk and beat white kids in mixed public schools. But no hard ass veterano is going to go seek some random white gang to fu-- with when they got no beef. But yes that veterano or that black G is going to fu-- with the other race who's fuckin with they money and turf, or rob that black or mexican civ. walkin down the street. Should cambodians and the different asian gangs that got beef with mexicans blast on mexican civ.? should we make a thread about that and exaggerate on it, and say well mexicans beat and terrorized the hard-working cambodians who came to work in America? I hate when people exaggerate or lie about this kinda shit. we both poor, we both live in the ghetto, we both fighting like a mufucka just to get up, (at least the productive ones are).

Gang bangers if you wanna blast people keep it to other bangers, cause the poor mexicans and blacks thats tryna do something else with their lives don't need to be wrapped up in that BS.



^^^^^^I agree totally.
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Postby 'X' » October 9th, 2005, 8:04 pm

perongregory wrote: I hate when people exaggerate or lie about this kinda shit. we both poor, we both live in the ghetto, we both fighting like a mufucka just to get up, (at least the productive ones are).




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Postby 'X' » October 9th, 2005, 8:16 pm

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Building unity between Black and Brown By Dora Muhammad


[img]http://www.finalcall.com/artman/uploads/gang_summit07-05-2005-a_001.jpg[/img] Minister Farrakhan (c) presents several Latino members of The Nation of Islam to the gang summit held June 20 to broker peace in Los Angeles between Latino and Black street organizations.






LOS ANGELES - The coolness of the room belied the hot topic on the table for discussion at the first quarterly meeting of the Southern California Gang Intervention Summit June 20. As tensions between Latino and Black youth and young adults continue to swell in the California sun, nearly 300 grassroots leaders of the gang intervention community assembled to begin serious discussions on, not the problem, but local solutions.


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“We believe that you have the stories from the streets, from your work that you have been doing on the campuses,” Tony Massengale, co-director of the Unity Collaborative, told the group. “Intervention in the best condition to begin to be a part of the solution,” he added, expressing that he had stopped participating in most community meetings because he was tired of listening to statistics and academic writings. “We must recognize the need for communication among ourselves,” he insisted.

This need was recognized by members of two warring street organizations, who attended the summit looking to dialogue on putting down their beef. The day was about handling business. Defining clearly that the summit was not a media event, the collaborative of activists invited the Honorable Minister Farrakhan to deliver a message of guidance during the meeting as part of his scheduled visit to the city. That invitation was prompted by Stan Muhammad, executive director of Venice 2000 and the lead organizer of the HELPER Alliance, an alliance of gang intervention groups, who helped organize the summit, which marked the beginning of an organizing process for action. Follow-up dialogues between the street organizations is in the works.

Among the 50 organizations walking their talk on the frontlines were All People’s Church, Amer-I-Can Foundation for Social Change, Association of Community-Based Gang Intervention Workers, Aztec Fire Fighters, Big Homies Foundation, Communities In Schools, Community Self-Determination Institute, Gangsters Anonymous, Homeboy Industries, Homies Unidos, Los Angeles Bridges, NO GUNS, Pico Youth & Family Center, Project 10/West Angeles Church-COGIC, Sidewalk University, Stop the Violence, Increase the Peace Foundation, Streetgangs.com, Toberman Settlement House, Unity Collaborative, Violence Prevention Coalition, Watts Century Latino Organization and We Care Outreach.

Identifying solutions can only be effective by identifying the root of the problem, stressed Oscar de la Torre, who runs the People, Youth and Family Center.

“What are White people’s role in this Black/Brown tension?” he asked. “It is easy to look at the symptom and not the root of the problem.”


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Mr. de la Torre has also developed a curriculum that teaches the common history and struggle of Latino and Black peoples and facilitates the city’s Days of Dialogue. “I have found that we have more in common than in difference in working for social justice. We must build unity and teach our youth that we have a common agenda and common social struggle,” he shared, as he recounted a brief overview of the presence of Afro-Mestizos in Mexico, and the history of a slave rebel, Yanga, who fought the Spaniards for Mexican independence.


“Every time there has been oppression, our people have worked together to fight that oppression—the imperialism and colonialism that still continues today,” he said, pointing out that “we have needed agencies to keep us safe from the police,” as an example.

He also believes that the problem stems from “an education system that has been incapable of teaching our people” and “the divide and conquer strategy in the prison system that they have ultilized for so many years.”

Western Regional Minister Tony Muhammad informed the audience of the recent visit to San Quentin Prison death row to speak with Stanley “Tookie” Williams, co-founder of the Crips, who has transformed his life during his incarceration, and now works to establish peace in his streets through his writings and messages. The audience listened to two audio taped messages Mr. Williams recorded for the meeting. (Click here to to read his messages).

“We have a lot of hurt and pain and we are not here to discard that. Any unity is going to take struggle and pain,” Min. Tony said in his remarks during the summit, after the tapes played. “We are fighting with a deeper demon within self,” he explained, repeating Mr. Williams’ words. “And once we can conquer that, we can conquer anything,” he concluded.


Latino street activist Jasiri Muhammad told The Final Call that the summit emerged out of a need that gang members felt. “We realize that we could keep killing and killing and killing, but who’s going to win? We can kill a million people and nothing will change or make anyone happier,” he insisted. “A couple of critical thinkers out of our neighborhoods started talking about some things, and come to find out, the majority of everybody feels this way.”

During the question and answer session following Minister Farrakhan’s remarks, one Brother stressed the need to “be in each other’s faces more, not one meeting every year or every month,” so that way they could “see the brotherhood inside of each other.”


Community activist Hector Perez Pacheco emphasized the need for action to follow the meeting. “It’s important that we take from these concepts and bring it into practice and just work on trying to bring unity for the survival of our communities,” he said.

Rock The Vote! spokesperson and 100.3 The Beat personality Niele Anderson believes the summit answered a cry for help from the street organizations. “This hope, that they are receiving today, can bless them for a beautiful future,” she observed. “That’s all Black and Brown people need—hope that we can make it, provide for our families,” she pointed out.

Shonteze Williams, a member of the Unity Three gang intervention and prevention collaborative, reiterated the pressing need to move forward and bring resolution to the simmering tensions. “It’s time to move forward on the issue of the Black and Brown. From the street level, the question is being asked, ‘How can we attack the Black and Brown issue when we can’t even attack the issue of Black on Black?’ I totally stand behind what the Minister said, we must clean up each backyard first, and then begin to work on the issues with each other.”

As a result of several gang members delivering passionate appeals to end the violence, a private dialogue branched off in another room, prior to the summit ending, with about 80 gang members dealing with issues on their chests with one another.

“We’re just trying to start these things. They’re not saying that they’re putting their guns down,” Bro. Jasiri hopefully informed, “at the same time, we’re starting this dialogue with one another so that eventually, the little ball that rolls down the hill turns into a big snowball at the end
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Postby perongregory » October 9th, 2005, 8:56 pm

bomb ass post X. Thats what we need, that positivity to combat the bull.

X how long you been livin in gardena? Do you remember something about a attempted robbery on this dudes house by 3 robbers but the guy killed all of them with a shotgun? I think it happened sometime in the 70's or early 80's.
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Postby blackmanofhonor » October 9th, 2005, 10:23 pm

^^^^Much respect Perongregory.certain people love to see us divided and killing each other,while they lock us up and live the good life.Black and brown unity is a good thing.
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Postby blackmanofhonor » October 9th, 2005, 10:36 pm

I hate when I hear ignorant blacks talk down on mexicans or vice versa.

#1 MEXICANS COME HERE ILLEGALLY AND TAKE JOBS FROM US.BS.this is thier land(mexicans are native to north america) anyway.the whites stole it.The only reason we blacks are here is because they brought us here as slaves.

#2 MEXICANS HAVE A BETTER WORK ETHIC.BS.niether blacks nor latinos control the immigration or employment fields.Its not that mexicans or blacks have a better work ethic than each other,its all about who gets hired.ANd WE(blacks and latinos) arent doing the hiring.Alot of employers will hire an ''illegal'' immigrint because they dont have to worry about getting sued or paying them a certain amount.

Look who is in power and how they got there.IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR US TO FIGHT EACH OTHER BECAUSE ITS ALL A BIG GAME AND WE ARENT THE ONES WITH THE JOYSTICK.SMARTEN UP PEOPLE.
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Postby leftcoast » October 9th, 2005, 11:51 pm

this is thier land(mexicans are native to north america) anyway.


no its not, its the native american's land, the aztecs lived further down south in wut is now messico
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Postby never die inside » October 10th, 2005, 12:09 am

leftcoast wrote:
this is thier land(mexicans are native to north america) anyway.


no its not, its the native american's land, the aztecs lived further down south in wut is now messico


yup. Navajo had a large part of Arizona and New Mexico. The latest Navajo migration from Asia and China came in the 12-14th century. They came from Manchuria, trying to get away from Genghis Khan's Eurasian conquests... the pure Navajo look very Asian if you ever see them...

Pericue, the Australian Aborigine tribe was also in southern california. I believe they were more north of the Aztecs tho. They survived by themselves until the 18th century, when Spanish missionaries unknowingly diseased them with their diseases...
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Postby DC » October 10th, 2005, 1:38 am

Ancient tribes, every that you have posted ^^^ above is all BS. Australian aboriginies in Southern California, Cmon man get of the drugs.
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Postby perongregory » October 10th, 2005, 1:49 am

blackmanofhonor wrote:^^^^Much respect Perongregory.certain people love to see us divided and killing each other,while they lock us up and live the good life.Black and brown unity is a good thing.


I feel ya man. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. Slowly shit will get better, we just gotta keep workin.
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Postby blackmanofhonor » October 10th, 2005, 6:58 am

leftcoast wrote:
this is thier land(mexicans are native to north america) anyway.


no its not, its the native american's land, the aztecs lived further down south in wut is now messico


Some of the land that is now US territory did belong to Mexico.Mexicans ancestors were on this continent long before evil,greedy whitey decided to come here.
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Postby Lordbyron » October 10th, 2005, 10:42 am

[quote="MICK"]^^^ Thats wrong. I garuntee blacks have done more damage in the inner city to Mexicans than whites.[quote]

Come on man! You really don't believe that do you? Black folks have 'caused a lot of mayhem in the inner city but 99.9% of it has been directed at other Black folks! When car loads of Black G's were rolling around looking for fools to whoride on, 9 times out of 10, they went looking for other Black G's! And If you don't think Mexicans were getting pulled from their cars and given the Rodney King treatment by the LAPD then you're crazy... I can't even count how many news reports I've heard about migrant workers getting their heads kicked in by Neo Nazi punks... Sh** those ese's up in San Q put the hammer down on some White boys a few months ago, so you see my point?

... But on some real sh**, this thread has opened my eyes man, even though I disagree with some of the sh** folks have said at least fools are talking...
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Postby 'X' » October 10th, 2005, 10:57 am

perongregory wrote:
blackmanofhonor wrote:^^^^Much respect Perongregory.certain people love to see us divided and killing each other,while they lock us up and live the good life.Black and brown unity is a good thing.


I feel ya man. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. Slowly shit will get better, we just gotta keep workin.



Big ups to ya'll two bruthas for adding some positivity to this topic. It's very easy to be whoever you choose on these sites and ya'll could easily be like some of these ignorant sounding bruthas(Black and Brown)on here, but ya'll speaking on solutions and I'm defiantly with that....

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Postby TheReal » October 10th, 2005, 12:21 pm

To Doobie

Fuck you racist son of a bitch, for mentioning my name in your polemics with another man! As I said before, so say I now again, THE BS, REVISIONIST HISTORY THAT MANY OF YOUR PEOPLE ARE USING TODAY, THAT JUSTIFIES THE OUTRIGHT GENOCIDAL, ETHNIC CLEANSING TYPES OF KILLINGS UPON BLACK FOLKS, ARE A BUNCH OF LIES, IN THE MAIN!!

Back in the day, black folks didn't go on a campaign to harass, steal, rob and ultimately MURDER, the mexican/chicano population, the way many of your people report! Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that black gangs didn't fuck with some mexicans, but by and large, the mass harassment and killings that you and your devil racist brethren, as well as your white cohorts, are trying to propagate out there, when it comes to black folks supposed pogrom on mexicans-again-IS BS!!

I remember those days fool, and so do you, racist pussy, and you know damn well your ass wasn't the constant targets of black gangs, or black folks in general. Fuck what you heard from some relatives, or other folks, fool. I, with mine own eyes have seen black gangs harass, terrorize, and outright murder in cold blood, their fellow blacks, more so than what any mexican can ever dream of, at the hands of black folks, while these same black criminals/gangmembers, would ignore the much smaller mexican barrios in their hood, by letting those folks live.

This doesn't justify the harassment that certain mexicans went through, at the hands of black gangs, but on the same token, much of the harassment that blacks were inflicting against mexicans, in the form of robbery, etc.-WASN'T AT THE HANDS OF BLACK GANG MEMBERS, NOR WAS THERE EVER AN ORCHESTRATED PLAN BY BLACK GANG MEMBERS, TO OUTRIGHT MURDER INNOCENT MEXICAN CIVILIANS, JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE MEXICAN, THE WAY YOUR DEVILISH AND RACIST SURENO BRETHREN OPERATE!!

So don't come to me with all your revisionist BS, thinking that your slick, forktongued, evil ass is going to pass some shit by me, in regards to black people, and their being victims of racist ese gangs, and their collective desires to kill innocent black civilians! That shit ain't got nothing to do with revenge devil muthafucka, but rather all the information I posted up on this thread, as well as other threads. The information in those threads are the pure, underlying, in-depth, unadulterated truth, which lying bitches like you know is the truth, but yet try to pull up straw man arguments, in attempts to justify your own people's BS!!!

And I was right about what I said before, if racist devil, sons of bitch mexicans like you are so hell bent on revenge, well-WHITE FOLKS HAVE DONE MORE TO MEXICANS/CHICANOS, THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS NATION, THAN WHAT SOME URBAN RIDDEN CRIME SPREES, SOME BLACK CRIMINALS INFLICTED UPON MEXICANS, ON ANY GIVEN DAY!!!

Not only that, black gangs, and criminals from back in the day inflicted more upon their fellow black folks, compared to the pittance of harassment, that your folks had to endure, at the hands of black folks!

So in closing, I say fuck you, and everything you stand for, you racist devil piece of shit, and anyone else on this thread who I've not been able to address, because of me overlooking their shit!
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Postby TheReal » October 10th, 2005, 12:22 pm

Am I missing someone in this forum?
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Postby TheReal » October 10th, 2005, 12:38 pm

Bump that

I was thinking how that for the next couple of months, before January, my schedule is relatively free (in January, I go back to school), to where I'd be glad to debate any mexican and white supporter of mexicans against black folks, in a live televised debate!

We can debate on this very issue, concerning black folks supposed pogrom of the mexican/chicano population from back in the day, and how it supposedly justifies the murderous racism you see expressed nowadays, by these racist sureno devil ese's, as well as the broader mexican/chicano community.

I know Alonso can set this thing up!

Hell, I'll even debate you devils in a room full of mexicans/chicanos, as well as white folks, with me being the only black person present. And not only that, to raise the stakes, you guys (mexican and white folks) can invite as many folks on your side to debate me, whereas I'll be the sole negro on the other side! So how does that sound?

I'm not that great of a debater anyway, just someone who makes a lot of noise and shit, so you guys may be able to handle me real easy. Not only that, I tend to recoil from my positions, once someone gets all up in my face, or comes at me real strong...

So again, what do you guys say?
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Postby RuthlessCray » October 10th, 2005, 12:43 pm

blackmanofhonor wrote:I hate when I hear ignorant blacks talk down on mexicans or vice versa..



I feel the same way man..I would really like to see things get better between Blacks and us.
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Postby perongregory » October 10th, 2005, 2:12 pm

Like tray dee said: they give mexicans the blocks and blacks the rocks, kill two birds of with one stone
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Postby se11 » October 10th, 2005, 2:54 pm

TheReal wrote:Bump that

I was thinking how that for the next couple of months, before January, my schedule is relatively free (in January, I go back to school), to where I'd be glad to debate any mexican and white supporter of mexicans against black folks, in a live televised debate!

We can debate on this very issue, concerning black folks supposed pogrom of the mexican/chicano population from back in the day, and how it supposedly justifies the murderous racism you see expressed nowadays, by these racist sureno devil ese's, as well as the broader mexican/chicano community.

I know Alonso can set this thing up!

Hell, I'll even debate you devils in a room full of mexicans/chicanos, as well as white folks, with me being the only black person present. And not only that, to raise the stakes, you guys (mexican and white folks) can invite as many folks on your side to debate me, whereas I'll be the sole negro on the other side! So how does that sound?

I'm not that great of a debater anyway, just someone who makes a lot of noise and shit, so you guys may be able to handle me real easy. Not only that, I tend to recoil from my positions, once someone gets all up in my face, or comes at me real strong...

So again, what do you guys say?


what is there to debate? what it comes down to is your either a racist or not a racist.
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Postby never die inside » October 10th, 2005, 3:09 pm

TheReal wrote:I'd be glad to debate any mexican and white supporter of mexicans against black folks, in a live televised debate!


damm! thats one of the best things i've read on this site... LOL! LIVE TELEVISION! DAMMM!! hahaha i'd def be there...
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Postby Sentenza » October 10th, 2005, 3:20 pm

TheReal wrote:I was thinking how that for the next couple of months, before January, my schedule is relatively free (in January, I go back to school), to where I'd be glad to debate any mexican and white supporter of mexicans against black folks, in a live televised debate!


Any white supporting mexicans in killing blacks is a SON OF A BITCH.

Anyone advocating senseless killings is a SON OF A COCKROACH-BITCH.

Understand me? But no one can stop blacks/Mexicans from killing each others than themselves.
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Postby DOOBIE'S BACK » October 10th, 2005, 6:13 pm

REAL, YOU PHONY BOLOGNA CHUMP, GET OFF IT. HARD TO LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR AND REALLY BELEIVE THAT YOUR KIN DESERVE WHATS COMING TO THEM, HUH? BE A MAN AND REALIZE THAT YOUR KIND SHITTED ON EVERYONE; PRISON SYSTEM, POLITICS, NEIGHBORHOODS, GOVERMENT, ETC. NOW YOU WANNA CRY AND SCREAM BLOODY MURDER ABOUT MEXICANS BEING RACIST. BYTCH PLEASE, ONLY GANGSTERS WITH TIES TO THE SUR ARE ON A BLACK GANG/SOMETIME CIVILIAN "K" TYPE SHIT. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF HARD WORKING MEXICANS THAT DONT HAVE ANY ILL-WILL TOWARDS BLACK FOLK. NOW GET UP OFF YOUR KNEES, KNOCK THAT DIRT OFF AND REALIZE THAT YOUR KIND IS GETTING PAYBACK TENFOLD. QUIT WHINNING. STATISTICS, NEIGHBORHOODS, PEOPLES STORIES, YOUR KINDS "BRAGGING" ABOUT YOUR THUG LIFE HAS CAUGHT UP WITH YOU. NOW GROW A SPINE AND REALIZE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE PEOPLE ON HERE ARE OUT-OF-TOWNERS THAT REALLY AINT BUYING YOUR WHINNING. BOY, YOU ACT LIKE BLACK PEOPLE ARE UP-STANDING CITIZENS THAT HAVE BEEN DOING IT RIGHT FOR 1,000 YRS. WHAT COMES AROUND, GOES AROUND, AND IT'S GOING AROUND IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. AINT NO DEBATE NIGGER, PURE TRUTH. WOULD YOU LIKE SOME CHEESE WITH ALL THAT "WHINE" YOU ARE BRINGING. LOL, YOU ARE THE DEFINITION OF A NIGGER. :lol:
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