Gov. Denies Tookie Clemency

[Comatose]

Crip In Peace Big Homie Took

Tookie was innocent. Courts verify lies on a consistent basis, that doesnt make them true.

Anyone who doesnt totally boycott anything Arnold does from here on out is my grave enemy.

Stanley Tookie Williams #C29300

Murdered by the State of California, the LA Sherrifs Departement, Governor Arnold Schwartzenegger, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, and the United States Supreme Court December 13 at 12:35 AM Pacific Time.

This was no execution. This was a murder. Anyone with even a shred of common sense can see he was set up. Oh, lets not forget the people who came forward 72 hours ahead of time, with notorized affidavits submitted to both Schwartzenegger and the 9th Circuit, that proved he was set up.

[Christina Marie]

Every execution is a murder. I do however agree with you that we need to make sure Arnie does not get re-elected to office.

[stamps]

Partial article

But law enforcement officials and victims’ rights leaders portrayed Williams as a fraud whose influence on would-be gangsters was overblown.

Prosecutors said the absence of a confession, and Williams’ refusal to formally cut ties with the Crips by sharing his knowledge of gang tactics with police, disproved his claim of rehabilitation.

"What kind of message does that send to young children, when somebody like Mr. Williams, who supposedly has their attention, tells them, ‘Don’t snitch, don’t talk to police, don’t tell people who was involved in a crime?’." said John Monaghan, a Los Angeles County deputy district attorney.

As Schwarzenegger weighed his decision, attorneys for Williams spent the weekend hunting for a court that might issue a stay.

On Sunday, the state Supreme Court turned back arguments that his trial was "fundamentally unfair" in part because prosecutors had failed to disclose that a key witness, Alfred Coward, was a violent ex-felon. The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and finally the U.S. Supreme Court followed suit Monday.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... home-local

Good Riddance!! Look at the pics (On Line) of the victims who who were EXECUTED BY TOOKIE!!!!,, Tookie believed, at the time of these murders, he was a GOD LIKE FIGURE!! who had the perverted right to take the life of innocent people! (victims who were Mothers, Fathers,, had Mothers, Fathers, Sons, Daughters, Grandaughters, Friends....ect...),,AND THEN!! to the very end say,,,, "Oh, I'm innocent of these crimes,,,,BULLSHIIIIIIITT! He was SHERMED the f--Ked out!!,,and still won't take resposibility for taking those lives...

Like the article says,,if he would have admitted his role in the killing,,even though he was "SHERMED OUT AT THE TIME!",,he may possibly be serving only LIFE W/O right now!!! The Governor may have taken that into consideration!!!!!! For those who say he's "INNOCENT" What proof do you have????,, because He has NONE!!

For Crips, Bloods, Mexican Essays, White Supremists, SERIAL KILLERS ESPECIALLY..,,,,who commit capitol crimes in California...TAKE HEED!! Because it makes NO DIFFERENCE WHAT RACE YOU ARE!!!!!!

SIDE NOTE: If the "Nutty" 9th Curcuit REGECTED his case,,,WHO CAN ARGUE HIS INNOCENCE!!!

Enough said!!

TOOKIE WILLIAMS,, REST IN NON-PEACE!!! "RINP!!"

[StillNoScript]

Good Riddance!! Look at the pics (On Line) of the victims who who were EXECUTED BY TOOKIE!!!!,, Tookie believed, at the time of these murders, he was a GOD LIKE FIGURE!!

Okay. I'll play.

Is there any way you could prove what Tookie 'believed' at any given moment of his life?

"Oh, I'm innocent of these crimes,[/b]

How do you know he isnt? And, I said know, not what you believe. Do you have a link to video of him committing the murders? And documents to links that provide information on DNA evidence that was used to prove he did it?

,,,BULLSHIIIIIIITT! He was SHERMED the f--Ked out!!

Links to any of his drug tests taken ON THE NIGHT OF THE MURDERS that would prove that he was at least shermed out on those given nights...rather or not he was involved in the murders themselves?

,,and still won't take resposibility for taking those lives...

Would you take responsiblity for something you didn't do? Especially a murder?

Like the article says,,if he would have admitted his role in the killing,,even though he was "SHERMED OUT AT THE TIME!",,he may possibly be serving only LIFE W/O right now!!!

Which is more reason to believe he's innocent. If he really was the hustler trying to get out of his sentence so he could get back the business of gang bangin', as the Ameirican Right-Wing has painted him out to be, he would have done exactly that. He would have admitted his guilt and showed some kind of fake remorse to get back into Gen Pop. He proclaimed his innocence to the very end, and died for it.

The Governor may have taken that into consideration!!!!!!

The governor hasn't made one decision since he decided to run for office. He does what he's told. Don't be so naive.

For those who say he's "INNOCENT" What proof do you have????,, because He has NONE!!

That would be an excellent point, if we lived in a country where one had to prove themselve innocent to be aquitted of a crime. In a democracy, it is the responsiblity of the state to prove that you are guilty before you can be convicted of a crime. And they found Tookie guilty based primarily on the testimony of two jailhouse snitches who testified at every court the case went to, and with zero DNA evidence. The onus is on you to prove him guilty, not any of his supporters to prove him innocent. Don't like those rules? Pack your bags and move to Russia. And...pack warm clothing! You won't be missed.

Crips, Bloods, Mexican Essays, White Supremists, SERIAL KILLERS ESPECIALLY..,,,,who commit capitol crimes in California...TAKE HEED!! Because it makes NO DIFFERENCE WHAT RACE YOU ARE!!!!!!

No, race only makes a difference in regards to police patrol and interregation, and D.A.'s prioritzing cases and what sentences they'll seek. Not to mention just about facet of society, from home loans to job hiring.

But, you're right, we do try to exucute non Blacks as often as Blacks...at least since the slaves were freed.

Also, how many wealthy inmates convicted of capital crimes are on Death Row right now, Mr. The Death Penalty Isn't Biased?

(Note: It's 'Ese'. Essay is a written composition, like the piece of crap you just wrote .)

SIDE NOTE: If the "Nutty" 9th Curcuit REGECTED his case,,,WHO CAN ARGUE HIS INNOCENCE!!!

Besides anyone who believes in a fair justice system that relies on more than jailhouse snitches to convict someone of murder, let alone put them to death? I don't know.

Enough said!!

Yeh, to prove how retarded you are. And I'm sure we'll hear more.

TOOKIE WILLIAMS,, REST IN NON-PEACE!!! "RINP!!"

Wow. That was good. Rest in 'non peace'. Nothing like ending a desperate, moronic post with a desperate, moronic slogan. And, you even gave it an extra flair by putting it in initials, as if it's going to be a T-Shirt sold on Bill O'Reilly's website someday. Keep your day job.

In fact, here, I have one too; It's, "F.O."

I'll make mine fun by letting you figure out what it means.

Personally, I dont' know what it's like to wish death on people who've neither been proven of a crime or proclaimed their responsiblity for it. Maybe in order to get myself in that state of mind, I too will get a stressful job that I can't handle, marry some fat ugly bitch, and drink day in and day out.

In the meantime, I'll go ahead and keep a clear head so I can help people like you.

[nautican99]

I would have been for a stay of execution if he had owned up to what he did. He never admitted to the murders and I find that hard to believe that he didn't commit them. There can be no redemption without repentance. Also, there was the matter of whom he dedicated some of his childrens books too. One of the guys he dedicated it too was a guy that shot up a federal judge. Is he truly sorry? Theres more to this than he being black. Tookie had the best representation that anyone could buy, they weren't sorry third rate lawyers that represented his case.
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/dec ... ictim2.jpg

Theres a picture of what he did, before you are so keen on a pardon. He was man enough to shoot someone in the face and back, he should be man enough to own up to what he did.

[MiChuhSuh]

proof do you have????,, because He has NONE!!

That would be an excellent point, if we lived in a country where one had to prove themselve innocent to be aquitted of a crime. In a democracy, it is the responsiblity of the state to prove that you are guilty before you can be convicted of a crime. And they found Tookie guilty based primarily on the testimony of two jailhouse snitches who testified at every court the case went to, and with zero DNA evidence. The onus is on you to prove him guilty, not any of his supporters to prove him innocent. Don't like those rules? Pack your bags and move to Russia. And...pack warm clothing! You won't be missed.

Crips, Bloods, Mexican Essays, White Supremists, SERIAL KILLERS ESPECIALLY..,,,,who commit capitol crimes in California...TAKE HEED!! Because it makes NO DIFFERENCE WHAT RACE YOU ARE!!!!!!

No, race only makes a difference in regards to police patrol and interregation, and D.A.'s prioritzing cases and what sentences they'll seek. Not to mention just about facet of society, from home loans to job hiring.

But, you're right, we do try to exucute non Blacks as often as Blacks...at least since the slaves were freed.

Also, how many wealthy inmates convicted of capital crimes are on Death Row right now, Mr. The Death Penalty Isn't Biased?
[/quote]

StillNoScript, don't try to play fallicy onto people, I see throught your BS

For your first point I highlighted:
He was already convicted and so at this point, the only thing he culd do was prove himself innocent, because he was already proven guilty in a court of law. So your point about "proven guilty in a democracy" is meaningless, he should have to prove himself innocent if he was already proven guilty in order to appeal.

As for your second point, I think alonso said it best:

when you are convicted for 4 murders, they wont give a life sentence.

Do you know any one convicted of 4 murders that got a life sentence in California? Scott Peterson was sentenced to death for killing 2 persons, one that was not born yet.

^^Not only is there a counter-example, but there is a reason why Tookie was convicted.

[MiChuhSuh]

Sorry, the quoting got messed up:

That would be an excellent point, if we lived in a country where one had to prove themselve innocent to be aquitted of a crime. In a democracy, it is the responsiblity of the state to prove that you are guilty before you can be convicted of a crime. And they found Tookie guilty based primarily on the testimony of two jailhouse snitches who testified at every court the case went to, and with zero DNA evidence. The onus is on you to prove him guilty, not any of his supporters to prove him innocent. Don't like those rules? Pack your bags and move to Russia. And...pack warm clothing! You won't be missed.

Crips, Bloods, Mexican Essays, White Supremists, SERIAL KILLERS ESPECIALLY..,,,,who commit capitol crimes in California...TAKE HEED!! Because it makes NO DIFFERENCE WHAT RACE YOU ARE!!!!!!

No, race only makes a difference in regards to police patrol and interregation, and D.A.'s prioritzing cases and what sentences they'll seek. Not to mention just about facet of society, from home loans to job hiring.

But, you're right, we do try to exucute non Blacks as often as Blacks...at least since the slaves were freed.

Also, how many wealthy inmates convicted of capital crimes are on Death Row right now, Mr. The Death Penalty Isn't Biased?

StillNoScript, don't try to play fallicy onto people, I see throught your BS

For your first point I highlighted:
He was already convicted and so at this point, the only thing he culd do was prove himself innocent, because he was already proven guilty in a court of law. So your point about "proven guilty in a democracy" is meaningless, he should have to prove himself innocent if he was already proven guilty in order to appeal.

As for your second point, I think alonso said it best:

when you are convicted for 4 murders, they wont give a life sentence.

Do you know any one convicted of 4 murders that got a life sentence in California? Scott Peterson was sentenced to death for killing 2 persons, one that was not born yet.

^^Not only is there a counter-example, but there is a reason why Tookie was convicted.

[Christina Marie]

I would have been for a stay of execution if he had owned up to what he did. He never admitted to the murders and I find that hard to believe that he didn't commit them. There can be no redemption without repentance. Also, there was the matter of whom he dedicated some of his childrens books too. One of the guys he dedicated it too was a guy that shot up a federal judge. Is he truly sorry? Theres more to this than he being black. Tookie had the best representation that anyone could buy, they weren't sorry third rate lawyers that represented his case.
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/dec ... ictim2.jpg

Theres a picture of what he did, before you are so keen on a pardon. He was man enough to shoot someone in the face and back, he should be man enough to own up to what he did.

Maybe he did'nt admit to the murders because he was innocent?? Would you admit to something you did'nt do?? Where is the DNA evidence?? All the "witness's" were criminals themselves and were all given "incentives" to finger Tookie. AKA...they were given deals. The bottom line is their was reasonable doubt of Tookies guilt or innocence or we would'nt be here TODAY still having this debate. They executed this man based on BS evidence.

[Comatose]

Perhaps none of you realize that by MURDERING Tookie, the government validated those "victims" deaths.

Its hard to prove your innocense when you have numerous fallacies before you. COURTS CONVICT INNOCENT PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?

I dont care if Tookie did it or not, the State didnt provide a substantial case and the State had no business incarcerating, much less killing, him. If Tookie was guilty by anyone elses standards, it was their place to make him pay. Plain and Simple.

Anyone with even a modicum of common sense knows the prosecution didnt prove anything at his trial, ANYONE. Many of you cowards that supported his murder only do so because of a sense of vengence, as if you got revenge on him. You didnt. The State killed him. Not in the name of the victims or thier families, but in the name of the LA Sherrifs Dept.

What amazes me is the fact that these so called victims families doesnt even care if someone else killed them. As long as Took paid the price for it, the actual murderers (who may never see caught) can go free. Theyre not even concerned that they fought for the wrong murder. As far as Im concerned, that makes them just as bad as whoever did kill them people.

The only reason Scott Peterson got death was because it was a high profile case, and for no other reason.

[MiChuhSuh]

What amazes me is the fact that these so called victims families doesnt even care if someone else killed them. As long as Took paid the price for it, the actual murderers (who may never see caught) can go free. Theyre not even concerned that they fought for the wrong murder. As far as Im concerned, that makes them just as bad as whoever did kill them people.

The only reason Scott Peterson got death was because it was a high profile case, and for no other reason.

What the heck are you talking about how are they "not caring" about finding the murders when at the very least they believe it was Tookie (you have to AT LEAST give them that) because how do you know what they are thinking? For example, I admit that the day before the execution that Tookie probably did think he didn't do it, I will give him that, that's his mind.


And about the Peterson thing, so you think it's okay to make accusations that no one "rich white" is on death row and as soon as I bring up an example you say it's for another reason? BS

If Peterson "got death was because it was a high profile case, and for no other reason"

Then -

Tookie "got death was because it was a high profile case, and for no other reason"



^^And that doesn't even make sense because OJ Simpson was a VERY high profile case and he walked so either way your thinking doesn't make any sense.

[StillNoScript]

I see throught your BS

What BS is that? Don't be timid...

For your first point I highlighted:
He was already convicted and so at this point, the only thing he culd do was prove himself innocent, because he was already proven guilty in a court of law. So your point about "proven guilty in a democracy" is meaningless, he should have to prove himself innocent if he was already proven guilty in order to appeal.

I responded to a comment made by someone who just said plainly that Tookie could never prove himself innocent. That person never specified what they meant. I dont' have time to read everyone's mind here. But if I see something that is utterly full of crap, I'm going to respond.

As for your second point, I think alonso said it best:

when you are convicted for 4 murders, they wont give a life sentence.

Do you know any one convicted of 4 murders that got a life sentence in California? Scott Peterson was sentenced to death for killing 2 persons, one that was not born yet.

^^Not only is there a counter-example, but there is a reason why Tookie was convicted.

Alonso makes a vaild point, but you aren't answering my question by quoting it.


How many wealthy inmates convicted of capital crimes are up for the death penalty?

How many wealthy people have been put to death?

[MiChuhSuh]

Alonso makes a vaild point, but you aren't answering my question by quoting it.


How many wealthy inmates convicted of capital crimes are up for the death penalty?

How many wealthy people have been put to death?

Depends. 1st, they should be accused right?

So how many wealthy peopel were accused?

How many wealthy people were shermheads who could easily forget what happened?

How many wealthy people joke about the sounds people make when they die then laugh for 6 minutes straight after that?

How many wealthy people helped spread out what became the most notorious streetgang in the US?

[StillNoScript]

Alonso makes a vaild point, but you aren't answering my question by quoting it.


How many wealthy inmates convicted of capital crimes are up for the death penalty?

How many wealthy people have been put to death?

Depends.

That's what I thought.

[MiChuhSuh]

^^^^ And you say I use fallacy? Tht was in sarcasmnm read the rest of the post

Unless you prefer to lie to yourself.

[StillNoScript]

^^^^ And you say I use fallacy?

No, you are the one that told me that I have some kind of 'BS' agenda here. I'm still waiting to hear exactly what it is...

Tht was in sarcasmnm read the rest of the post

Oh, don't worry, I got your morphing of Tookie's alleged actions into your sarcastic point. It's also when I realized that I'm debating with somebody who's taking the law's side of the story, and no one else's. That's a real recipe for genius, considering this nation's storied history of judicial bias.

Unless you prefer to lie to yourself.

Lie to myself about what? What are you talking about?

Let's try this again;

How many wealthy people are on death row?

How many have been executed?

If the Death Penalty sees no color, no creed, no religion, no economic class, then why can't we fry a couple of rich people convicted of capital crimes, by juries, as Tookie was?

[MiChuhSuh]

the Death Penalty sees no color, no creed, no religion, no economic class, then why can't we fry a couple of rich people convicted of capital crimes, by juries, as Tookie was?

You really, REALLY can't read between the lines can you? I answered this already.

How many rich people were even accused of crimes in the first place to be convicted?
And almost every time a rich person is accused of something like this it gets all high profile - why? It doesn't happen very often

So it's a question of RATIO, out of how many rich people convicted of Tookie's crimes have been on death row <--- THAT is the question you should ask

You remind me of the people saying that Katrina disproportionately affected black people when in fact black peopel were disproportionatly undersrepresented by population percentage as victims and it was the whites and hispanics disproportionaly affected (If you didn't know got to the race and Ethnicity seciton, crstnamre posted the story there)

Just saying what something looks like without thinking first.

Everyone who shot four people to death themselves in California has been sent to death row.

[Tork]

All I have to say is exercise your right to bear arms people.

Yeah, people like you really help to make the world a better place...

For those who say he's "INNOCENT" What proof do you have????

Like the others said - no one has to prove his innocence. And in this case its even doubtful if the guilt is proven. But it seems like this BS evidence is enough to get someone executed in the U.S.
I can just review things from my point of view - from being a (german) law student: I studied the details of the Stanley Williams case and I can tell that he would never have been found guilty in a country like Germany.

If you want to change something - work on changing your system ...

[worldwide]

wether guilty or not, man will never be able to forgive like GOD, nor will we understand like HE does. as long as Tookie made it right with God and most important himself then nothing or no one else matters

[MiChuhSuh]

If you want to change something - work on changing your system ...

Tookie helped spread the Crips around and did so start from when the "system" didn't even know who he was. He started his own problems, not the system. He acted of his own will when he helped start moving the gang on the westside, the "system" had nothing to do with that. I think that if he never co-founded Crips on the westside, and never got involved with gangs or robberies, none of this "system" talk would even have been an issue.

[SCeric]

damn san quientin prisoners must be heated, im not surprised a riot or anythings breakin out

[MiChuhSuh]

damn san quientin prisoners must be heated, im not surprised a riot or anythings breakin out

I'm surprised nothing has happened yet!!!

[nautican99]

Ester Garrett
Ester Garrett was the wife of James Garrett. (TT 1899). She also participated in conversations with Williams regarding his involvement in these murders. Moreover, she relayed these conversations to the jury. According to Mrs. Garrett, Williams told her he broke down the motel door with his shoulder, shot the lady by the register (Mrs. Yang), shot the man on the couch (Mr. Yang), and shot the lady coming through the door (Mrs. Lin). He described the victims as "Buddhaheads." (TT 1915-1916, 1917, 1931).

Williams also told Mrs. Garrett that he killed some "white dude" for about $63.00 and that Blackie (Coward) couldn't handle it so he vomited. (TT 1917). Williams also stated that he was concerned Blackie might talk to the police and, as a result, he (Williams) might kill Blackie. (TT 1917).

Ester Garrett was not an accomplice, she was not a jailhouse informant, she was not facing a lengthy prison term or death, and she was not granted freedom or a vastly reduced sentence for her testimony. Like Mr. Garrett, she had previously been in trouble with the law. However, the jury was informed of this criminal past and still found Williams guilty of all four murders.

Alfred Coward
Alfred Coward (Blackie) was with Stanley Williams the night Williams shot and killed Albert Owens. (TT 2093-2164). Mr. Coward provided the jury with a detailed account of the 20 events leading up to the murder of Mr. Owens. (TT 2093-2164). For example, Coward described how Williams retrieved his shotgun and another gun earlier in the night. (TT 2098, 2117-2118).

Mr. Coward described the vehicles used, namely a 1969 Cadillac and an old brown station wagon. (TT 2097-2099). Mr. Coward explained that he, Williams, Tony Sims, and a fourth man named Darryl, drove to the Stop-N-Go to commit a robbery, that Darryl (wearing a corduroy jacket) and Sims (wearing a green jogging suit) entered the store but failed to complete the planned crime, and that all four men then drove to the 7-Eleven to make a new attempt. (TT 2093-2143, 2186).

Mr. Coward explained that when they arrived at the 7-Eleven, Mr. Owens was sweeping the parking lot. (TT 2145-2147, 2186). The men exited their respective vehicles, at which time Williams put his shotgun to Mr. Owens and forced him into the back of the store. (TT 2145-2154). Coward described how Williams forced Owens to the floor, shot out the security monitor, and then shot Owens twice in the back with the shotgun. (TT 2157-2164).

Mr. Coward also explained how Williams laughed about the murder of Albert Owens. (TT 2195-2197). Specifically, Mr. Coward heard Williams say "you should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him." Williams followed this comment by making growling noises and then laughing hysterically. (TT 2195-2197).

Albert Coward was an accomplice in this crime. He was with the three other individuals during the time the weapons were gathered by Williams, and he drove his 1969 Cadillac to the various locations. Additionally, he entered the 7-Eleven along with the other men.

Alfred Coward was given immunity. This grant of immunity, which was revealed to the jury, was granted to ensure the successful prosecution and conviction of the actual killer, Stanley Williams.

Johnny Garcia
In February 1979, Johnny Garcia worked the night shift at the Stop-N-Go. (TT 2046). Mr. Garcia testified that on February 28, 1979, at approximately 4:00 a.m., he had just finished mopping the floors. (TT 2047). At that time, he saw four black males at the front door of the store. He also saw a station wagon in the parking lot. (TT 2047-2048).

According to Mr. Garcia, two of the four men entered the store, walked around the store for a few minutes, asked for a cigarette and then left the store. Mr. Garcia described the two men as black males, with one wearing a green jogging suit and one wearing a brown coat. (TT 2048-2050).

Johnny Garcia was not an accomplice, he was not a jailhouse informant, he was not facing a lengthy prison term or death, and he was not granted freedom or a vastly reduced sentence for his testimony. Mr. Garcia, by all accounts, was a hard-working night teller at this convenience store.

His testimony, although it did not directly link Williams to the plot, was notable in that it directly corroborated much of Alfred Coward's testimony about being at the Stop-N-Go to commit a robbery, that one of the vehicles was a station wagon, and about the clothing worn by two of the men.



Thats just a little bit of stuff I dug up just by Googling it. Williams might have been a different man towards the end, but the young Williams was no saint. Do you expect a co founding member of the crips to be incapable of murder? If anything, as a founding member, he would have to be even more ruthless than the next guy. The amount of evidence against Williams is beyond reasonable doubt. He wasn't always an intelligent, articulate man since his youth. He was hard and angry back in the day, and more than capable of the deeds that he committed. Time may have tempered him, yet he never admitted, so therefore was never sorry for what he did. He was tried and found guilty by a jury, with competent counsel. I truly believe had he admitted to it and collaborated with the cops, he would have had a stay of execution. He was not willing however, and he refused to snitch on the crips.

[Christina Marie]

nautican99....since you have posted this^info, I am going to ask that you provide links to the information. Thanks.

[Anonymous20]

wether guilty or not, man will never be able to forgive like GOD, nor will we understand like HE does. as long as Tookie made it right with God and most important himself then nothing or no one else matters

Indeed, murder is a forgiveable sin according to what the Scriptures teach. So many times throughout the Bible, people who previously killed and repented where seen in high standing to God. Even thieves (the 2 executed with Jesus), prostitues, and adulterers (Abraham) have been forgiven.

That is between Tookie and God, and if Tookie was sincere, he will be OK. It would have been nice to see if Tookie would have continued his efforts after receiving clemency. That would have been a good measure of his sincerity, but we will never know.

[MiChuhSuh]

Yup, anything is forgivable (there is mention of "blasphemy" being unforgivable but there could be another meaning to that..... kinda complicted...)

Another example, Moses killed out of anger and then fled to the desert. But God chose him to lead the people out of Egypt.

It's just that Tookie claims to not have done it, and thus doesn't apologize, that makes this so controversial. If you believe he did it, then he isn't right because he doesn't confess or apologize, but if you think he didn't commit the murders, then you would say he is fine.

[stamps]

Good Riddance!! Look at the pics (On Line) of the victims who who were EXECUTED BY TOOKIE!!!!,, Tookie believed, at the time of these murders, he was a GOD LIKE FIGURE!!

Okay. I'll play.

Is there any way you could prove what Tookie 'believed' at any given moment of his life?

"Oh, I'm innocent of these crimes,[/b]

How do you know he isnt? And, I said know, not what you believe. Do you have a link to video of him committing the murders? And documents to links that provide information on DNA evidence that was used to prove he did it?

,,,BULLSHIIIIIIITT! He was SHERMED the f--Ked out!!

Links to any of his drug tests taken ON THE NIGHT OF THE MURDERS that would prove that he was at least shermed out on those given nights...rather or not he was involved in the murders themselves?

,,and still won't take resposibility for taking those lives...

Would you take responsiblity for something you didn't do? Especially a murder?

Like the article says,,if he would have admitted his role in the killing,,even though he was "SHERMED OUT AT THE TIME!",,he may possibly be serving only LIFE W/O right now!!!

Which is more reason to believe he's innocent. If he really was the hustler trying to get out of his sentence so he could get back the business of gang bangin', as the Ameirican Right-Wing has painted him out to be, he would have done exactly that. He would have admitted his guilt and showed some kind of fake remorse to get back into Gen Pop. He proclaimed his innocence to the very end, and died for it.

The Governor may have taken that into consideration!!!!!!

The governor hasn't made one decision since he decided to run for office. He does what he's told. Don't be so naive.

For those who say he's "INNOCENT" What proof do you have????,, because He has NONE!!

That would be an excellent point, if we lived in a country where one had to prove themselve innocent to be aquitted of a crime. In a democracy, it is the responsiblity of the state to prove that you are guilty before you can be convicted of a crime. And they found Tookie guilty based primarily on the testimony of two jailhouse snitches who testified at every court the case went to, and with zero DNA evidence. The onus is on you to prove him guilty, not any of his supporters to prove him innocent. Don't like those rules? Pack your bags and move to Russia. And...pack warm clothing! You won't be missed.

Crips, Bloods, Mexican Essays, White Supremists, SERIAL KILLERS ESPECIALLY..,,,,who commit capitol crimes in California...TAKE HEED!! Because it makes NO DIFFERENCE WHAT RACE YOU ARE!!!!!!

No, race only makes a difference in regards to police patrol and interregation, and D.A.'s prioritzing cases and what sentences they'll seek. Not to mention just about facet of society, from home loans to job hiring.

But, you're right, we do try to exucute non Blacks as often as Blacks...at least since the slaves were freed.

Also, how many wealthy inmates convicted of capital crimes are on Death Row right now, Mr. The Death Penalty Isn't Biased?

(Note: It's 'Ese'. Essay is a written composition, like the piece of crap you just wrote .)

SIDE NOTE: If the "Nutty" 9th Curcuit REGECTED his case,,,WHO CAN ARGUE HIS INNOCENCE!!!

Besides anyone who believes in a fair justice system that relies on more than jailhouse snitches to convict someone of murder, let alone put them to death? I don't know.

Enough said!!

Yeh, to prove how retarded you are. And I'm sure we'll hear more.

TOOKIE WILLIAMS,, REST IN NON-PEACE!!! "RINP!!"

Wow. That was good. Rest in 'non peace'. Nothing like ending a desperate, moronic post with a desperate, moronic slogan. And, you even gave it an extra flair by putting it in initials, as if it's going to be a T-Shirt sold on Bill O'Reilly's website someday. Keep your day job.

In fact, here, I have one too; It's, "F.O."

I'll make mine fun by letting you figure out what it means.

Personally, I dont' know what it's like to wish death on people who've neither been proven of a crime or proclaimed their responsiblity for it. Maybe in order to get myself in that state of mind, I too will get a stressful job that I can't handle, marry some fat ugly bitch, and drink day in and day out.

In the meantime, I'll go ahead and keep a clear head so I can help people like you.

Funny,,you try to break my post down like you had something interesting to point out,,,Tookie's gone now,,so just move on...

[stamps]

StillNoScript,,,I think Tookie should've been only allowed to live as long as there were no other Black on Black gang murders in Los Angeles...(just the city..not the county),,,I wonder how many more days he would've had left..

If your mad at the death penalty,,,move to a state that doesn't have one,,,because the death penalty came back to California by popular demand.

[tacho]

whats all the skank about he killed innocent people and didnt give a rats arse, him and other pricks like him are scum to society cost money to keep in prison and should have been put to death straight after the guilty verdict

[WhiteGirlLove]

OKay Stanley Tookie Williams Is a Great man and will never be forgotten and Arnold idnt even fit to be a mayor governor or ne thing else he wont be fucking back but Stanley didnt even do ne thing just cause he was a crip ohh fuckin well he started the best thing the world has and he gets exicuted for it?? For starting the BEST thing EVER!!!!

[stamps]

OKay Stanley Tookie Williams Is a Great man and will never be forgotten and Arnold idnt even fit to be a mayor governor or ne thing else he wont be #%@&#%@ back but Stanley didnt even do ne thing just cause he was a crip ohh fuckin well he started the best thing the world has and he gets exicuted for it?? For starting the BEST thing EVER!!!!

Is that a joke??

[stamps]

the simple fact is tookie was black and the goverment didnt want to give him another chance, just because hes a nigger thats a reason and excuse to kill somebody. remember this what goes around comes around god will deal with arnold, its messed up that they had to kill a innocent man. i hope tookie is with the lord right now having a good old time rip tookie

What a joke!..I watch Cold Case Files on A&E all the time,,and guess what??? There have been many White peolple on that show that I saw handed the death penalty from all over the country...for rape and murder, committing a burglary or robbery and killing someone...TONS of those idiots have been White! Don't spit that "It's because I'm Black" bul---t,,,take responsibility for your own actions,,and Tookie should too! And why do you have to drop the 'N' bomb in your post? What was the point in that??

[Common Sense]

^^^ Agreed. We all have a choice in life. Be responsible. The first step is not to get yourself on death row from the start. Refrainning from illegal activity would be nice too.