Kamau Kambon, author of Blacknificant

[Anonymous20]

He may be referring to the electromagnetic emissions from cell phones, cordless phones, laptop computers, etc.

German researchers once did a study that showed exposure to electromagnetic fields increases resting blood pressure, and we already know that High blood pressure is disportionately higher among blacks than any other group.. hmmmm??

if that's true, it will kill more white people that anyone else.

[Tre]

I agree with you that Caucasian Americans would be at risk too. But I was thinking more in terms.. if high blood pressure is already inherently high among African Americans than electromagnetic fields could possibly place blacks at a greater risk. Similar to the effects of nicotine. Everyone is at risk true, but African Americans metabolize nicotine differently so it places us at higher risk.

[Old Shatterhand]

Well it's true the earth has become noisy in the electromagnetic sense (Radio astronomers talk of using the far side of the moon to see the stars due to the earth becoming noisy), first you would need to scientifically show that African American's do have a higher incidence of high blood pressure not related to diet and lifestyle. Then you would need to scientifically show that electromagnetic waves were the specific cause of the increased incidence of high blood pressure over whites. Next, you would need to show that electromagnetic waves are being integrated into the environment with the implicit purpose of killing off African Americans via a global conspiracy of white people capable of carrying out said plan on the huge scale required while maintaining materially perfect secrecy. Finally you would need to defend your hypothesis against scientific inquiry and account for other races/cultures (such as the situation in Japan) literally inventing and implementing electromagnetic environments far worse than ours of their own freewill despite negative results on their population. Honestly, this should be filed in the conspiracy section in the B's under Bogus.

And let's see that evidence showing Kamau Kambon is a government agent. Until then, let's also file that under the conspiracy theories section as well.

As for smoking related illness and death, the CDC does show the incidents are higher among Blacks than Whites. That is true and not just for oral/esophagus/lung/bronchus cancer either; however, the trends have stabilized for both groups and are on their way down. The CDC states, "Differences in cancer death rates result from a combination of factors such as behaviors (e.g. smoking and nutrition); access to preventive, diagnostic, therapeutic, and screening services; and aggressiveness of treatment. If these factors were modified, more than half of the cancer deaths could be prevented and most racial/ethnic disparities in cancer death rates could be eliminated."

Much more realistic than Kamau's conspiracy theories (e.g. paranoid delusion) regarding the advent of cell technologies are life/lifestyle choices. You can choose to live and act right.

I read somewhere recently that the number one cause of death for African Americans aged 15-24 is homocide. They aren't dying from electromagnetism (which by the way is what holds atoms together so that gravity doesn't rip everything apart). The desire to be a "gangsta ridah" and emulate the drug selling rap kingpins kills more young Blacks than advanced civilization's implementation of electromagnetic radiowaves ever will.

The principle is the same for each and every one of us regardless of race. If you want positive change in the world; draw a circle, stand in the middle of it, and humbly ask God to start working in the circle. It starts in the heart and minds of individuals.

[none for you]

The principle is the same for each and every one of us regardless of race. If you want positive change in the world; draw a circle, stand in the middle of it, and humbly ask God to start working in the circle. It starts in the heart and minds of individuals.

EXACTLY!!!!

[perongregory]

I think you're right shatterhand, but just as you invoke the spirituality inside you to call outto god's essence, which is spirituality in itslef, the same has to happen in the human world. You have to work with and reach out to society, but socirty has to work with and reach out to you. It's a great picture to see it all being the individual, but It's not that simple.

[Old Shatterhand]

I think you're right shatterhand, but just as you invoke the spirituality inside you to call outto god's essence, which is spirituality in itslef, the same has to happen in the human world. You have to work with and reach out to society, but socirty has to work with and reach out to you. It's a great picture to see it all being the individual, but It's not that simple.

It's a beginning. Not an end unto itself.

[none for you]

I think you're right shatterhand, but just as you invoke the spirituality inside you to call outto god's essence, which is spirituality in itslef, the same has to happen in the human world. You have to work with and reach out to society, but socirty has to work with and reach out to you. It's a great picture to see it all being the individual, but It's not that simple.

If you truly understood spirituality, you would understand how illogical your statement is.

[perongregory]

Sorry demigod. I'm just a puny mortal in your infinite spiritual wisdom.

[perongregory]

I think you're right shatterhand, but just as you invoke the spirituality inside you to call outto god's essence, which is spirituality in itslef, the same has to happen in the human world. You have to work with and reach out to society, but socirty has to work with and reach out to you. It's a great picture to see it all being the individual, but It's not that simple.

It's a beginning. Not an end unto itself.

can you elaborate a little more, I don't quite grasp all that you imply.

[se11]

I agree with you that Caucasian Americans would be at risk too. But I was thinking more in terms.. if high blood pressure is already inherently high among African Americans than electromagnetic fields could possibly place blacks at a greater risk. Similar to the effects of nicotine. Everyone is at risk true, but African Americans metabolize nicotine differently so it places us at higher risk.

okay, then be real. if we are relly planning to magnetically exterminate the black race through cell phones, then don't use them.

[Anonymous20]

I agree with you that Caucasian Americans would be at risk too. But I was thinking more in terms.. if high blood pressure is already inherently high among African Americans than electromagnetic fields could possibly place blacks at a greater risk. Similar to the effects of nicotine. Everyone is at risk true, but African Americans metabolize nicotine differently so it places us at higher risk.

okay, then be real. if we are relly planning to magnetically exterminate the black race through cell phones, then don't use them.

He's not speaking literally se11, your jumping the gun.

[se11]

we'll if he's not going to be real then dont evne bother to talk. if your so worried about electromagnetic waves killing you because your black and your more prone to whatever, then in all seriousness dont pick up a cell phone.

[Anonymous20]

we'll if he's not going to be real then dont evne bother to talk. if your so worried about electromagnetic waves killing you because your black and your more prone to whatever, then in all seriousness dont pick up a cell phone.

Do yo read what you type man? You really ARE grasping, looking for some shit to bitch about. This is a descussion, just because it's being DISCUSSED does NOT mean he's worried about it yo, Goddam!, chill the fuck out!

[Tre]

To Old Shatterhand

It's funny to me these double standards that exist. Rodney King, Donovan Jackson, Nathaniel Jones, Robert Davis.. Black men can get their ass beat on video all the time. It's O.K. to lampoon the black man getting his ass beat and hypothesize that he was probably a criminal anyway. But here we have a video of a black man going off on white folks and suddenly it's not funny anymore.

What i find really ironic is that on one hand Old Shatterhand you're telling me i shouldn't concern myself with things that are hypothetical or cant be proven by scientific fact .. but then you invoke the name of God. Lol. Did anyone ever mention to you that the existence of God is still considered a hypothetical, that can't be proven through scientific facts?? But of course not, God is as real to you as this black man believing he must kill all whites folks before they kill us. It's hard for me to tell which one of you is more delusional?
Last time i checked the leading cause of death for white folks was heart disease not the black man. Black folks do not have a history of systematically killing white folks in this country, however white folks do have a history of systematically killing black folks.

That coupled with the fact that this lone black man convincing the masses of black folks to rise against the white man would be a feat in and of itself. And as you put it in the section of B's under Bogus. After all, let you tell it Old Shatterhand. Black folks are too busy dodging bullets from each other! lol.

Also, I'm not clear on how drawing circles, and standing in the middle of them, effects positive change. Tell me Old Shatterhand would that have been the advice you would have given the 400 black men that were secretly injected with syphilis during the Tuskegee experiments.. perpetrated by our own United States Government. Or did we imagine that as well??

But i do agree with you .. Maybe white folks wouldn't be in such fear of us doing to them what they did to us.. if like you said 'You choose to live and act right. '

[Tre]

oh yea.. to Sell! Tell your thin lipped, flat ass, limped hair, pasty face momma to stop calling me and maybe i can put my cell phone to rest!

.. of course i don't mean this literally.. but since you cant tell the difference. Take my comment any way you want!

[Old Shatterhand]

To Old Shatterhand

It's funny to me these double standards that exist. Rodney King, Donovan Jackson, Nathaniel Jones, Robert Davis.. Black men can get their ass beat on video all the time. It's O.K. to lampoon the black man getting his ass beat and hypothesize that he was probably a criminal anyway. But here we have a video of a black man going off on white folks and suddenly it's not funny anymore.

What i find really ironic is that on one hand Old Shatterhand you're telling me i shouldn't concern myself with things that are hypothetical or cant be proven by scientific fact .. but then you invoke the name of God. Lol. Did anyone ever mention to you that the existence of God is still considered a hypothetical, that can't be proven through scientific facts?? But of course not, God is as real to you as this black man believing he must kill all whites folks before they kill us. It's hard for me to tell which one of you is more delusional?
Last time i checked the leading cause of death for white folks was heart disease not the black man. Black folks do not have a history of systematically killing white folks in this country, however white folks do have a history of systematically killing black folks.

That coupled with the fact that this lone black man convincing the masses of black folks to rise against the white man would be a feat in and of itself. And as you put it in the section of B's under Bogus. After all, let you tell it Old Shatterhand. Black folks are too busy dodging bullets from each other! lol.

Also, I'm not clear on how drawing circles, and standing in the middle of them, effects positive change. Tell me Old Shatterhand would that have been the advice you would have given the 400 black men that were secretly injected with syphilis during the Tuskegee experiments.. perpetrated by our own United States Government. Or did we imagine that as well??

But i do agree with you .. Maybe white folks wouldn't be in such fear of us doing to them what they did to us.. if like you said 'You choose to live and act right. '

I'm not sure I understand your argument. I perceive errors and disjointed logic presented very confrontationally in your post to me.

Are you saying that you don't believe in God on the basis that you believe there isn't adequate scientific evidence for His existence? Are you saying that you don't believe in justice because injustice exists? Are you saying that a person cannot effect change by first changing themselves? Are you saying that the majority of white people live in fear of you?

If you really wish to discuss these things, please control your anger and focus (on one topic at a time preferably) so that we can have a proper discussion.

Or you can just angrily throw mud at me and become belittling. I probably won't bother to respond to that approach though because I don't take it seriously.

And a real quick correction:

The number one cause of young black men (which is what I said) is violence not heart disease. Here's just one of many links from reputable sources asserting it to be so (this one is from National Public Radio): http://www.npr.org/programs/wesun/features/2002/cose/

[Old Shatterhand]

oh yea.. to Sell! Tell your thin lipped, flat ass, limped hair, pasty face momma to stop calling me and maybe i can put my cell phone to rest!

.. of course i don't mean this literally.. but since you cant tell the difference. Take my comment any way you want!

[none for you]

I think you're right shatterhand, but just as you invoke the spirituality inside you to call outto god's essence, which is spirituality in itslef, the same has to happen in the human world. You have to work with and reach out to society, but socirty has to work with and reach out to you. It's a great picture to see it all being the individual, but It's not that simple.

It's a beginning. Not an end unto itself.

can you elaborate a little more, I don't quite grasp all that you imply.

Sorry demigod. I'm just a puny mortal in your infinite spiritual wisdom.

funny. I got ALL that you imply.... thank you for enlightening me to what a sexist pig you really are....

I understand shatterhand perfectly, but you ask for clarity from him and undermine me...
What you fail understand is that being human or superhuman or anything organic wont give you the answers that the peace of mind born of spiritual growth lends...

I dont even know why I waste my efforts

[perongregory]

I think you're right shatterhand, but just as you invoke the spirituality inside you to call outto god's essence, which is spirituality in itslef, the same has to happen in the human world. You have to work with and reach out to society, but socirty has to work with and reach out to you. It's a great picture to see it all being the individual, but It's not that simple.

It's a beginning. Not an end unto itself.

can you elaborate a little more, I don't quite grasp all that you imply.

Sorry demigod. I'm just a puny mortal in your infinite spiritual wisdom.

funny. I got ALL that you imply.... thank you for enlightening me to what a sexist pig you really are....

I understand shatterhand perfectly, but you ask for clarity from him and undermine me...
What you fail understand is that being human or superhuman or anything organic wont give you the answers that the peace of mind born of spiritual growth lends...

I dont even know why I waste my efforts

I don't know why you do either. Can you please get off my nuts? I didn't ask you to clarify anything. I didn't say anything sexist to or about you (after the so-called truce). And I underminded you...hahahah! Are you my teacher now? Who should I adress the check to? For a human, flesh and blood like me, to insinuate that she is the standard of spirituality, by trying to lecture me on the matter is simply laughable.

What you fail to understand is I don't want to talk shit but you want to. If you can't say anything nice, or debate me in a polite manner, please shut it up.

I think I get the sexist remark now. You wanted me to ask you (a woman) about spirituality instaed of Shatterhand (a man). Well say so next time. Don't covertly attack me.

[Old Shatterhand]

I think you're right shatterhand, but just as you invoke the spirituality inside you to call outto god's essence, which is spirituality in itslef, the same has to happen in the human world. You have to work with and reach out to society, but socirty has to work with and reach out to you. It's a great picture to see it all being the individual, but It's not that simple.

It's a beginning. Not an end unto itself.

can you elaborate a little more, I don't quite grasp all that you imply.

It's ok perongregory. I apologize for not answering sooner. I am simply saying that the real-ist way I know to effect positive change is to start with yourself and move outwards from there.

[perongregory]

I agree. But that takes such a spritual force, it seems unfathomable for a whole disjointed race (humans), to come and accept those terms. I mean Nietchzse (however you spell his name) said god is dead, and so many plan out their lives as though god is actually dead. Also, people find different things inside of themselves. Some find evil and hatred and give and try to spread it around the world. I mean spirituality is too broad of a word, you need a directed spirituality (Daoism, Buddhism, Janism, etc.), or some set tenets. And even with this, people will fight over who has the right beliefs.

[Tre]

To Old Shatterhand

Likewise I perceive errors and disjointed logic in your post to me. But I was able to get beyond that. Just like you need to get beyond the perception that when IM seeking clarification from you that Im being angry, confrontational and trying to belittle you. No IM not attacking your personal belief in God. But I am pointing out the irony that in order to summon this God of yours for positive change that somehow I need to draw a circle and stand in the middle of it. I must have missed this lesson in Sunday School. I perceive Shatterhand that you are mixing irrelevant issues, but I may be wrong. If the drawing of circles is only an analogy, how would you apply your analogy to the 400 black men that were secretly injected with syphilis during the Tuskegee experiments?

[Old Shatterhand]

I agree. But that takes such a spritual force, it seems unfathomable for a whole disjointed race (humans), to come and accept those terms. I mean Nietchzse (however you spell his name) said god is dead, and so many plan out their lives as though god is actually dead. Also, people find different things inside of themselves. Some find evil and hatred and give and try to spread it around the world. I mean spirituality is too broad of a word, you need a directed spirituality (Daoism, Buddhism, Janism, etc.), or some set tenets. And even with this, people will fight over who has the right beliefs.

Humanity is endowed with freewill (the ability to choose). No person or organization has ever, throughout history, been able to bend/influence everyone to their will though many have tried. Even the anti-Christ (if you accept Biblical prophecy) won't be able to do that. No man or organization ever will. God has the power but in his wisdom doesn't. I can explain it further in a more scholarly way if you like.

And Friedrich Nietzsche, who ended firmly in the grip of insanity [which btw was not immaterial to his philosophies], was wrong. God is quite well.

Note:

1. There are seven major worldviews, and each one is different from the
others. With one exception (pantheism/polytheism), no one can consistently believe in more than one worldview because the central premises of each are opposed by those of the others. Logically, only one worldview can be true; the others must be false. The seven major worldviews are as follows: theism, atheism, pantheism, panentheism, deism, finite godism, and polytheism.

2. There are four basic views on origins: two are naturalistic, and two are supernaturalistic. The naturalistic views are called naturalistic creation and naturalistic evolution. The supernatural views are named theistic creation and theistic evolution.

[perongregory]

Does agnosticism fit into these worldviews? So how does religion fall under these worldviews? And isn't a person's worldview pointless? Religions have tenets, which consist of more than if an individual does or does not believe in an immortal/mortal god or gods.

[Old Shatterhand]

To Old Shatterhand

Likewise I perceive errors and disjointed logic in your post to me. But I was able to get beyond that. Just like you need to get beyond the perception that when IM seeking clarification from you that Im being angry, confrontational and trying to belittle you. No IM not attacking your personal belief in God. But I am pointing out the irony that in order to summon this God of yours for positive change that somehow I need to draw a circle and stand in the middle of it. I must have missed this lesson in Sunday School. I perceive Shatterhand that you are mixing irrelevant issues, but I may be wrong. If the drawing of circles is only an analogy, how would you apply your analogy to the 400 black men that were secretly injected with syphilis during the Tuskegee experiments?

I saw how you talked to the person directly after your post to me. That is an indication that you are certainly willing to go there.

And what is so difficult to understand about a person who first seeks that positive change within themself before seeking positive change externally. An argument can be made that it is hypocritical to do otherwise.

I disagree with your perception and see the relationship between the authenticity of a person's beliefs on their behavior as material on many levels.

You probably know a lot more about the Tuskegee experiments than I know. I'm reading about them now. I can answer that from a divine viewpoint (why does God allow evil to exist temporarily for example) but I see that you are positing it directly to why a person would want to effect positive change in themselves before seeking to positively change situations like this. Isn't it obvious? Strong moral passionate believers make the best evangelists for change.

[none for you]

I think I get the sexist remark now. You wanted me to ask you (a woman) about spirituality instaed of Shatterhand (a man). Well say so next time. Don't covertly attack me.

no. You totally chopped on me with yet another rude nasty comment instead of using the intelligence I have seen you use with others...

and, no, you realy dont get the sexist remark...
because you would never ask me, a woman, about spiritual matters because you have already, long ago, decided to be biased against me, simply because I am not male ...... or black for that matter; I would not expect you to do so... it's the blatant trashing of me as an individual that I find so inappropriate and unacceptable...

there have been no covert attacks on my part.... you are the one with an overt agenda,
I can find better intellectual stimulation and and company at www.sesamestreet.com
so a person like you should have the last word.....
.... have at it:

[Old Shatterhand]

Does agnosticism fit into these worldviews? So how does religion fall under these worldviews? And isn't a person's worldview pointless? Religions have tenets, which consist of more than if an individual does or does not believe in an immortal/mortal god or gods.

Agnosticism is the philosophical view that the truth or falsity of certain claims unknown/unknowable or incoherent. An Atheist is someone that disbelieves in God or gods. Agnoticism is a subset of atheism. From the atheistic root worldview people believe either believe in God/gods or they don't. That is why Agnosticism and Atheism coexist together.

Now why is this worldview wrong? I could start with an argument that it disregards much meaningful reality that exists. Yet theistic creation accounts for meaningful reality in many ways. A good hypothesis, be it scientific or philosophical, is accepted because it possesses real explanatory power. The God of the Bible (hereafter referred to as God) provides a solid and consistent metaphysical foundation for explaining the important realities and phenomena encountered in life in many ways. Consider the following ways:

1. God uniquely accounts for the physical universe's beginning.

2. God uniquely accounts for the order, complexity, and design mevldent in the universe.

3. God uniquely accounts for the reality of abstract, nonphysical realities.

4. God uniquely accounts for the reality of objea've ethical values.

5. God uniquely accounts for the meaning, purpose, and significance that human beings sense and yearn for.

6. God uniquely accounts for the enigma of man.

7. God uniquely accounts for man's sense of the divine.

8. God uniquely accounts for the meaning of the realities of life.

[Old Shatterhand]

Sorry for the couple of misspelled words. I'm getting tired.

[perongregory]

I think I get the sexist remark now. You wanted me to ask you (a woman) about spirituality instaed of Shatterhand (a man). Well say so next time. Don't covertly attack me.

no. You totally chopped on me with yet another rude nasty comment instead of using the intelligence I have seen you use with others...

and, no, you realy dont get the sexist remark...
because you would never ask me, a woman, about spiritual matters because you have already, long ago, decided to be biased against me, simply because I am not male ...... or black for that matter; I would not expect you to do so... it's the blatant trashing of me as an individual that I find so inappropriate and unacceptable...

there have been no covert attacks on my part.... you are the one with an overt agenda,
I can find better intellectual stimulation and and company at www.sesamestreet.com
so a person like you should have the last word.....
.... have at it:

I don't understand you. I don't care if you're a woman or what your color is. I can't see any of that from this computer can I? I only care about your beliefs. You talk about blacks and their blame game tactics but then always accuse me of some sexist BS. Stop blaming me for shit I didn't do. Just because I made a sarcastic comment about you being a demigod, doesn't mean I am being sexsist. You attacked me about my spiritual knowledge so I responded. I haven't said anything about your personal character since the little truce thing so I don't get it. As I see it you're on a little mission to annoy the hell out of me. Whats up? Show me where I have so grieveously wronged you, so I can apologize. Cause I don't understand what you are whining about.

And if you're talking about Old shatterhand and I with the intelligence thing, well he doesn't attack me when I'm trying to glean some knowledge from his post, or debate him. You on the other hand, always have some snide remark. You never quit.

[perongregory]

Does agnosticism fit into these worldviews? So how does religion fall under these worldviews? And isn't a person's worldview pointless? Religions have tenets, which consist of more than if an individual does or does not believe in an immortal/mortal god or gods.

Agnosticism is the philosophical view that the truth or falsity of certain claims unknown/unknowable or incoherent. An Atheist is someone that disbelieves in God or gods. Agnoticism is a subset of atheism. From the atheistic root worldview people believe either believe in God/gods or they don't. That is why Agnosticism and Atheism coexist together.

Now why is this worldview wrong? I could start with an argument that it disregards much meaningful reality that exists. Yet theistic creation accounts for meaningful reality in many ways. A good hypothesis, be it scientific or philosophical, is accepted because it possesses real explanatory power. The God of the Bible (hereafter referred to as God) provides a solid and consistent metaphysical foundation for explaining the important realities and phenomena encountered in life in many ways. Consider the following ways:

1. God uniquely accounts for the physical universe's beginning.

2. God uniquely accounts for the order, complexity, and design mevldent in the universe.

3. God uniquely accounts for the reality of abstract, nonphysical realities.

4. God uniquely accounts for the reality of objea've ethical values.

5. God uniquely accounts for the meaning, purpose, and significance that human beings sense and yearn for.

6. God uniquely accounts for the enigma of man.

7. God uniquely accounts for man's sense of the divine.

8. God uniquely accounts for the meaning of the realities of life.

Just to play Devil's Advocate, I should go look up my old rebuttals to Thomas Aquinas' proofs of God. That's if I can find them.

[Old Shatterhand]

Interesting how atheists play a role in teaching people of God .

[MiChuhSuh]

"white people want to kill you, no matter what fraternity you belong to, they want to kill you because that is part of their plan"

"im not going to figure out why they want to kill us. they want to do it in many different ways biological, chemical, ELECTROMAGNETIC"

"theirs only one nigger on the planet, i dont use that word, i dont even think that word. thats the one polutting the water, destroying the air. the only nigger on the planet is the white man and the white woman."

"and the one idea the one plan is how we are going to exterminate white people, that is the conclusion i have come to"

lol, i thought somethings he said were kinda funny. this dudes a joke. he and anyone who takes him seriously is a complete tool.

The Wisdom of Kamau Kambon
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