PETA (animal rights org) uses Black slavery comparison

[curiousdude06]

I saw on the news a few weeks ago that there was a controversy over PETA using exhibits on college campuses, comparing american slavery with animals being used for experiments and food. I was furious, what kind of a moron would make such a ridiculous comparison? I remember reading about this controversy last year, and due to the outrage PETA suspended the exhibits. Well, lo and behold, I visited their website and guess what, they are still up to the same game. But I guess I shouldn't expect any less from an organization that tried the same thing a few years ago with the jewish holocaust. Sometimes there IS such a thing as bad publicity:

http://www.peta.org/animalliberation/slavery.asp

[Old Shatterhand]

Animals feel pain but they don’t suffer in the human sense. Animals feel pain but when faced with cancer, for example, they don’t worry about when they are going to die or the condition of the results of dying on others around them; worrying about what their future in light of this, etc… They feel pain but the type of human suffering, the characteristic that goes along with it, is uniquely a trait of being a person made in God’s image. And this is what we would expect to see from a Biblical view rather than the impossiblilty that everything arose from pure random chance in a finite universe.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), are quick to equate the butchering of chickens for food (i.e. read El Pollo Loco) as exactly the same as the slaughter of the Jews under the Nazis in the 1940s or anything else they think will further their position. They equate gassing a human being with what a farmer does when he wrings the neck of a chicken so he can take it in into the house and feed his family. Yet these same thinkers see nothing wrong with supporting a holocaust on the unborn. They view the unborn child as a dixicup that can be eliminated or used in any way that we think we need.

This thinking does not reflect the concept of the Imago Dei. The Biblical view is that animals have value and that human beings are foolish if they treat the animal kingdom with disrespect and abandon but the type of thinking of those who reject the Biblical God does not factor into the Biblical view. The Biblical view does not give animals exactly the same rights as human beings.

[myDick in your mouth]

lol how the f*ck do you know bout what animals feel. they have minds n they have hearts too. their living creatures just like humans.

[Aquafresh]

PETA is the dumbest organization I have ever heard of.

[Old Shatterhand]

lol how the f*ck do you know bout what animals feel. they have minds n they have hearts too. their living creatures just like humans.

If a fish or a chicken has the same worth to you as say... one of your family members or friends: then why do you eat them? In your worldview, it sounds like having an egg for breakfast is just like eating a human fetus.

It's not hard to explain why and how animals differ from humans and their proper symbiotic relationship to each other. But I see that you are not ready to learn about it.

[DC]

Old Shatterhand is a bible bashing peice of Sh*t..

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this is what i said on another board about peta


cebree
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fuck p.e.t.a...

yes its crule to hurt animans but..................---->
i dont see no animals protesting about other animals eating humans or eating other animals.

its called the food chain people!

ill respect peta when they protest over a lion, tiger, puma, leopard eating a dog!


some other points

Originally Posted by poetress
. also since animal cruelty is "so wrong" why don't they stop the animals from eatin each other? because that shit is natural,

Mr_Breaducce
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I agree that killing animals for meating or animal testing within proper ethical guidelines is a must for humans as it is a mark of nature and it's evolution. But lets be honest, fur coats are neither necessary or applicable to nature and it's evolution but rather human greed and selfishness. The natives that killed animals used both the fur and meat as respect. Where as many animals are killed for such trivial things such as fashion and self indulgdence. I would never liken animal abuse to slavery but would say the killing of animals simply for their fur is pathetic and anyone wearing a real fur coat should get more than red paint thrown on them.

[quote poetress
Illuminati Member ]

there is no way the world and the physical earth could function if humans stopped eatin meat. also since animal cruelty is "so wrong" why don't they stop the animals from eatin each other? because that shit is natural, that how the system of life works and to have another way would trhow off the earths equilibrium in a devastating and prolly irreversible way. also why don't we worry about the pain and suffering of children in our country be4 we worry about a chicken[/quote]

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[MiChuhSuh]

^ lol never thought about it that way

[none for you]

being a pet owner I can attest that when animals get humanized they do suffer like people do.

but it requires the humanizing that makes it possible.

[myDick in your mouth]

lol how the f*ck do you know bout what animals feel. they have minds n they have hearts too. their living creatures just like humans.

If a fish or a chicken has the same worth to you as say... one of your family members or friends: then why do you eat them? In your worldview, it sounds like having an egg for breakfast is just like eating a human fetus.

It's not hard to explain why and how animals differ from humans and their proper symbiotic relationship to each other. But I see that you are not ready to learn about it.

wtf u talkin bout "in my worldview having an egg is just like eating a human fetus". i didnt express my view on this topic. im jus sayin you all talkin like you kno how animals feel and their suffering n all that. i mean how the f*ck do u kno that when an animal has cancer they dont worry bout when they gonna die.

[MiChuhSuh]

Animals feel pain but they don’t suffer in the human sense. Animals feel pain but when faced with cancer, for example, they don’t worry about when they are going to die or the condition of the results of dying on others around them; worrying about what their future in light of this, etc… They feel pain but the type of human suffering, the characteristic that goes along with it, is uniquely a trait of being a person made in God’s image. And this is what we would expect to see from a Biblical view rather than the impossiblilty that everything arose from pure random chance in a finite universe.

I agree with most except this

First of all, if it were true that animals don't worry about their future, it makes them superior to the now corrupted man in this sense

Matthew 6:25-27, 34

25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? ... 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

Now if Jesus isn't the in the Image of God no one is, and H said not to worry about the future, so worrying about the future is not a characteristic of the image of God but a side-effect of man's corruption, especially if we have to take after an animal's example.

And humans were not originally meant to feel pain. Toil and pain of childbearing were curses when kicked out of the Garden of Eden.

Of course animals are not worth the same as a human being, but in the sense that in most cases and in their natural state, animals are relaxed and move freely, those are two chracteristics that humans do not do as well. I think life on this earth as a human wears you out. For example, "sleep like a baby." A baby is obviously not as intelligent in terms of factual knowledge, but it is in a more natural state, and in this state does not worry about the future but lives in the moment, as Jesus instructed.

P.S. Babies and animals breathe "with their stomache" and use more diaphragm to inhale and exhale rather than pushing their chest, which is proven to be worse than breathing with use of stomache/diaphragm muscles. Just an intersting side-note.

[MiChuhSuh]

^ BIG typo....

Where it says "H" is should say "He" which I wouldn't care about normally but this refers to Jesus ...

O and bold the part in the Bible verse where it says

"26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? ... 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

[punamusta]

Animals are like humans are - animals breath, sleep, eat like we do. They are just as much alive as we are. And they feel pain, fear, and joy like we feel. Their blood is red like our blood is. They communicate with each others like we do. Just not with the words.

For us humans there is a possibility to either eat meat or not. Humans don't need meat to survive.

Nowadays animals are treated like products without any rights. Meat producing is a huge business, and people make huge money out of it. The smaller the living-space is per one animal, the bigger the profits are. And the quicker the animal is big enough to butcher (with the help of different growth-hormons), the bigger the profits are.

People think they own the animals, and that animals don't have no own will what so ever. People even kill tens of millions of animals per year just to use their fur, nothing else.

It's funny how people think that their pets are almost like humans and they would never kill their pets for food, but when they go to the grocery store they don't understand that those packets of meat there came from the same kind of living creature as their pet is. People don't see how the animals are killed and put into meats, so it's easy to buy a packet of meat without thinking it.

[myDick in your mouth]

Animals feel pain but they don’t suffer in the human sense. Animals feel pain but when faced with cancer, for example, they don’t worry about when they are going to die or the condition of the results of dying on others around them; worrying about what their future in light of this, etc… They feel pain but the type of human suffering, the characteristic that goes along with it, is uniquely a trait of being a person made in God’s image. And this is what we would expect to see from a Biblical view rather than the impossiblilty that everything arose from pure random chance in a finite universe.

I agree with most except this

First of all, if it were true that animals don't worry about their future, it makes them superior to the now corrupted man in this sense

Matthew 6:25-27, 34

25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? ... 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

Now if Jesus isn't the in the Image of God no one is, and H said not to worry about the future, so worrying about the future is not a characteristic of the image of God but a side-effect of man's corruption, especially if we have to take after an animal's example.

And humans were not originally meant to feel pain. Toil and pain of childbearing were curses when kicked out of the Garden of Eden.

Of course animals are not worth the same as a human being, but in the sense that in most cases and in their natural state, animals are relaxed and move freely, those are two chracteristics that humans do not do as well. I think life on this earth as a human wears you out. For example, "sleep like a baby." A baby is obviously not as intelligent in terms of factual knowledge, but it is in a more natural state, and in this state does not worry about the future but lives in the moment, as Jesus instructed.

P.S. Babies and animals breathe "with their stomache" and use more diaphragm to inhale and exhale rather than pushing their chest, which is proven to be worse than breathing with use of stomache/diaphragm muscles. Just an intersting side-note.

that makes sense. thats why all babies basically act the same right when their born. they cry when their sad laugh when their happy they jus chillin they at one with nature. the more u grow the more u adapt to your surroundings, the more furthur away u get from ur natural instincts, human emotion at its simplest form

[MiChuhSuh]

The meat I feel is proabably the healthiest and maybe least controversial (besides eggs) is fish. Fish oil is good for the brain, and in teh Southern Coast of Africa where the first modern (even more so than previous homo sapiens) man arose and there they ate fish. It wasn't necesarily evolution because the definition of modern man was basically doing something beyond neccessity, and they have the first piece of art, a bead necklace, there.

And for Christian, Jesus ate fish and some of the disciples were fisherman.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with eating most meat except for the tortured/beaten/cooked alive stuff, which is why cat and dog is banned in China and dog is banned in Korea (not too many eat cats in Korea).

[Old Shatterhand]

Old Shatterhand is a bible bashing peice of Sh*t..

God bless you friend. And I don't bash the Bible, I read it.

[Old Shatterhand]

In the wild, carnivores actually assist herbivores in maintaining their health and minimizing their suffering. A pack of wolves, for example, cannot and will not even attempt to kill a healthy, uninjured adult moose. By removing the sick and the weak from herbivore flocks, carnivores help guard herbivore populations from disease and genetic defects. By limiting the herbivore populations, carnivores also prevent such populations from overgrazing the land and thus eventually suffering and dying from lack of food.

And this is exactly what you would expect to see from a Christian worldview. The Bible says carnivores receive their prey from God's hand Job 38:39-41; Psalm 104:21,24-28 ). Psalm 104:27-28 describes how God's creatures "all look to [Him] to give them their food at the proper time. When [God] give[s] it to them, . . . they are satisfied with good things."

Because some animals are capable of having a relationship with humans, people have an emotional reaction to the idea of killing them, for food or otherwise. We especially tend to anthropomorphize the animals we raise as pets. But animal suffering of any kind cannot be equated with human suffering.

The awareness and anticipation of future agony, physical or spiritual or both, greatly intensifies human pain. Animals, by contrast, neither anticipate nor worry about the future.

Just as animal pain and suffering are distinct from human pain and suffering, so too the suffering of lower animals is distinct from that of birds and mammals. Though less in each case, it is not zero. A recent scientific study establishes that fish, for example, feel pain at a relatively high level.

The heart rates of trout who had their lips injected with bee venom or acetic acid increased by 30 percent compared to trout whose lips were injected with saline solution or were simpb handled and put back into the water. Trout injected with acetic acid and bee venom rubbed their lips against objects and took twice as long to resume feeding.

Insects, too, experience sensations that bother them. As any child playing outside with a magnifying glass has discovered, insects quickly flee whenever intense light and heat are focused on them.

However, a profound difference exists between the physical death of a spiritual creature (a human) and the death of any other physical life-form.

As hard as it may be for us to see good in death, death serves a purpose.

The 3.8 billion years of plant and animal death and extinction that preceded humanity provided for the needs of civilization.

The civilization that enables Christians to carry out Christ's command to take the gospel to all the world's people groups (Matthew 28:18-20) is faciliated by these assets.

God blessed them and said to them, Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground. Then God said, I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground - everything that has the breath of life in it - I give every green plant for food. And it was so (Genesis 1:28-30).

Humanity was the crown of God's creation. After God had finished creating everything else He made man and woman. He then gave them authority over all of His creation.

Does God's dominion mandate encourage humanity to do what they want to do with our planet? Many blame the current ecological problems that earth has on the Christian and their view toward nature. However the exploitation of nature is not something that the Bible encourages.

The Bible makes it clear that God owns the natural world. The earth is the LORDS, and all it contains, the world, and those who dwell in it (Psalm 24:1).

Humanity has been given the stewardship over God's creation, we are looking after it for His sake. However, ultimately it is owned by Him.

The reason humanity has been given dominion over God's creation is because we have been made in God's image - unlike the animal kingdom or the rest of God's creation. The Bible does not teach that humans are on the same level as the animal kingdom, or the physical world that God has made. Only human beings has been made in the image of God, only we are responsible for taking care of God's created order. Human beings have been made for eternity, the animals and the heavens and earth are here only temporarily and we are ordered to take care of it as servants of God because He owns it and it has value.

So eat up