EVN - I'm just me... wrote:Old Shatterhand wrote:EVN - I'm just me... wrote:About out of body expereiences, i think it's just a brain thing. They proved that they can be re-created with machinery - it's a side affect of not enough blood/oxygen going to the brain. I've been watching more of this stuff on Nation Geographic and Discovery, Discovery just had a good program on Near Death stuff, and the conclusion was basically it was just a brain hallucination from lack of oxygen so it starts spazzing out basically.
Astral Projection....... I don't have any experience in that so i don't know... how did it feel? lol the closest thing to that I had was in a dream being taken up and that was because I was reading those "Left Behind" books and fell asleep reading it lolol
But the "slow down" thing I don't think was connect with the out of body thing, I was definitely one with my body at the time.
First, the National Geographic is NOT scholarly. It is a biased pantheist evolutionist rag. I have taken apart those articles showing how they are riddled with bias and error using authentic scholarly materials written by real experts in their fields.
Second, I'm saying that many of they are biological in origin but not all.
Third, astro travel can be either drug induced (biological in origin) or occult induced (spiritual in origin). The ancient Chinese monks use to practice astro travel to gain information on their enemies. I liken it much closer to the occult practice of rear viewing which certainly is NOT biological in origin.
About using it to spy..... it's kinda rare. I think the method most can use is the more "mathematical" methods like remote viewing, which the CIA said was unproven but I think it worked in some people.
Not every biological one has to be drug induced, stuff happens randomly to a lot of people usually under stress or something, and especially in near-death. In fact, the one you said
you experienced was neither drugs or occult, it was before a big fight right?
For the "occult version," I think it depends on "how" you do it. If all you do is concentrate then I don't think that's occult (even thought it's hard to do it like that)... but if you start calling on stuff and weird things like that, try to develop "powers" then it becomes occult
I'm a educate you a little bit here EVN. It's not rare. Today numerous major universities and militerary and intelligence institutes throughout the world (including Russia) are engaged in psychical research, now known as parapsychology. Even Communist China, still stubbornly committed to scientific materialsm, engages feverishly in pshycic research in competition with the West.
In 1993 the Pscyhological Bulletin published a report by Cornell University social psychologist Daryl Bem and the late parapsychologist Charles Honorton reviewing 20 years of reserach and concluded that subjects were able by mental telepathy to "receive" at a rate far above chance. Nevertheless, many scientists still seek a physical explanation. Some think that Bell's theorem (which allows for correlations between apparnetly unconnecte distant locations and events) together with quantum theory could be the answer. But it's already been scientifically shown that this theory doesn't explain the phenomena.
While many scientists are still trying to find some way to maintain their denial of the occult, a number of scientists moved forward and developed "remote viewing." At the forefront was SRI International, located in Menlo Park, California (South of San Francisco) formerly known as the Stanford Research Institute.
These experiments began in the late 1970s in the Electronics and Bioenginnering Laboratory of SRI under the direction of two physicists, Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff. They psychics used were Ingo Swann, Pat Price, and Hella Hammid. These early experiments produced spectacular results and were first reported in a 1977 book by Targ and Puthoff titled Mind Research: Scientists Look at Psychic Ability.
The Targ/Puthoff remove viewing proceures were adopted and developed further by the military and especially the intellgience branch. Remove viewing has reportedly proved itself repeatedly in successful military and espionage assignments of all kinds.
What's happening is that remote viewers are convinced they can gather information outside of space and time (even the future because time is nonexistent in the nonphyscial universe where the occult operates). They deny they leave their bodies and assert it is all mental. They results they provide confirm the fact that the mind is not physical, is not tied to the brain, and is therefore outside of space, time, and matter.
I could give you a litany of evidence which logically supports that remote viewing is not from God, is of the occult, and condemned by the Bible. A remote viewer would say that remote viewing is simply the trained utilization of a normal human capability which we all possess and that shaman and prophets who foretold were simply remote viewing and that the miracles found in the Bible are simply paranormal no different than rear viewing.
They are deluded. God's Word declares that false prophets do indeed have access to some kind of paranormal power. Some may be able to perform feats that seem miraculous, even foretell the future to a limited extent. One need only cite Balaam or the miracles that Pharaoh's magicians performed in the presence of Moses.
But the criterion for making that judgment is not their power, no matter how imporessive,
but whether they obey the God of the BIble or follow false gods.
That is the criterion in evalutaing today's prophets, psychics, channelers, mediums, remote viewers, etc...
The truth is that remote viewers disagree with one another about very fundamental facts and make no pretense about relying upon God. These contradictions demonstrate that remote viewing cannot be of God. The biblical prophets, though living in differnet cultures and over a span of 1500 years were in perfect agreement in all they said. Two opposing views cannot both be right. Logically if remote viewing is not from God, and is not a normal human power (a fact which can be demonstrated), then it is from Satan, the enemy of God and man.
