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Postby blue eyed devil » July 10th, 2006, 11:41 pm

Man f^ck everyone outside of Africa and the Middle East is an immigrant, you think you started in Europe or America????

and mess you little isolationist theory sorry to say the world doesn't work like that anymore, you got all kinds of people planning BS. Damn commies in my homeland are testing long rang missiles so they can put nuclear warheads on them and you think keeping people out is gonna make you safe?


I dont care where we came from. Dont have a crack at me when you orientals are know for your xenophobism.

Society is safer.

isolationist theory sorry to say the world doesn't work like that anymore


Japans birth rate is falling perhaps they should take 10 million African refugees.

Also i relaize we are becoming closer, but we dont need to have our homelands taken over, you feelin me bro. Im sure you feel the exact same thing if it was vice versa and Europeans were streaming into Asia and bringing gangs, violence etc etc.

Nothing wrong with adding a but of spice to the stew but add to much and ts goes shit.
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Postby MiChuhSuh » July 11th, 2006, 12:31 pm

blue eyed devil wrote:I dont care where we came from. Dont have a crack at me when you orientals are know for your xenophobism.

Also i relaize we are becoming closer, but we dont need to have our homelands taken over, you feelin me bro.


Is this your homeland? ha!

And stop calling me "bro" first you make some racial comment then call me bro??

Im sure you feel the exact same thing if it was vice versa and Europeans were streaming into Asia and bringing gangs, violence etc etc.

Ever heard of the Opium Wars? Spheres of Influence? Admiral Perry? Ghandi (and yes Indian is Asian) WWII? Korean War? Vietnam?

And another thing right now Korea needs "foreign" help because it's about to be Korean War II.

Nothing wrong with adding a but of spice to the stew but add to much and ts goes shit.

Sort of like how Whites just took over and became the majority in the Americas???
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Postby Sentenza » July 12th, 2006, 8:40 am

blue eyed devil wrote:Well as its usually minorities who are in these wannabe thug gangs. So tis simple really, end immigration and toughen the laws. fu-- this race card BS. They only use it because they know White liberals will kiss their asses.


LOL....

Thats what Bush is trying to do at the moment....Tell me did it work?

Are americas streets safer? :roll:

Were the streets in Europe safer before foreign people came? Nope.
In fact Europe had a hilariously high murder rate in the past, before the 20th century. Even though they had really rough punishments back then.
Remember when they put people into bird cages until they starved and rotted? Remember them cutting your limbs off or stabbing your eyes out? Did it help? Well answer it for yourself.

Do rough laws ALONE work? Nope. Look at the countries with the highest crime rates. They all have tough laws. USA, South Africa, Columbia, Russia, India and so on.
Would you feel safe walking in a dangerous area of one of these only cause you know they have tough laws?

BTW. Russia has gangs, South Africa has gangs, Mexico has gangs. NON-MINORITY GANGS....Maybe its a different problem.
And by the way many gangs in america are formed by whites, blacks and Latinos, that have been living there longer than many whites who came in the 20th century to america. They are no immigrants but yet they form gangs?
How come?
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Re: How to end Gang violence

Postby 'X' » July 12th, 2006, 9:50 am

Sentenza wrote:what would be your opinions or suggestions to end or reduce gang violence?



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Postby blue eyed devil » July 12th, 2006, 8:59 pm

Sentenza wrote:
LOL....

Thats what Bush is trying to do at the moment....Tell me did it work?

Are americas streets safer? :roll:

Were the streets in Europe safer before foreign people came? Nope.
In fact Europe had a hilariously high murder rate in the past, before the 20th century. Even though they had really rough punishments back then.
Remember when they put people into bird cages until they starved and rotted? Remember them cutting your limbs off or stabbing your eyes out? Did it help? Well answer it for yourself.

Do rough laws ALONE work? Nope. Look at the countries with the highest crime rates. They all have tough laws. USA, South Africa, Columbia, Russia, India and so on.
Would you feel safe walking in a dangerous area of one of these only cause you know they have tough laws?

BTW. Russia has gangs, South Africa has gangs, Mexico has gangs. NON-MINORITY GANGS....Maybe its a different problem.
And by the way many gangs in america are formed by whites, blacks and Latinos, that have been living there longer than many whites who came in the 20th century to america. They are no immigrants but yet they form gangs?
How come?


Were the streets safer, yes. Ask some of the Western Europeans here.
Yes its true Europe over the last 600 years has fought war after war after fucking war, slaughter after slaughter. Europeans dont want to fight wars anymore though, there are no dreams of world domination. You could say that fighitng the bloodiest wars has subconcsiously had an effect.

Also Nazis and the Soviets are still fresh in peoples minds.

As much as Russians hated the Soviet Union, they still prefered the law an order of the past to the crime of today. Ive heard that from Russians.

Poverty also breeds gangs, but so does ignorance. Id say Ignorance is most peoples case on here.
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Postby blue eyed devil » July 12th, 2006, 9:04 pm

Is this your homeland? ha!

And stop calling me "bro" first you make some racial comment then call me bro??


Racism oh please grow up i called you an Oriental.

Ever heard of the Opium Wars? Spheres of Influence? Admiral Perry? Ghandi (and yes Indian is Asian) WWII? Korean War? Vietnam?


Yes i have, whats that got do with immigration. Ever heard of Japan, they would have loved a crack at my country, dont hear me bitching about the Japanese.

And another thing right now Korea needs "foreign" help because it's about to be Korean War II.


Yeh it seems to be going that way, hope it doesnt though.

Sort of like how Whites just took over and became the majority in the Americas???


Yep and they turned it into a superpower.

Your Korean right??? Are you half Korean because you dont look Asiatic at all :?:
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Re: How to end Gang violence

Postby Sentenza » July 13th, 2006, 6:45 am

X wrote:
Sentenza wrote:what would be your opinions or suggestions to end or reduce gang violence?



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Postby Sentenza » July 13th, 2006, 6:53 am

blue eyed devil wrote:
Sentenza wrote:
LOL....

Thats what Bush is trying to do at the moment....Tell me did it work?

Are americas streets safer? :roll:

Were the streets in Europe safer before foreign people came? Nope.
In fact Europe had a hilariously high murder rate in the past, before the 20th century. Even though they had really rough punishments back then.
Remember when they put people into bird cages until they starved and rotted? Remember them cutting your limbs off or stabbing your eyes out? Did it help? Well answer it for yourself.

Do rough laws ALONE work? Nope. Look at the countries with the highest crime rates. They all have tough laws. USA, South Africa, Columbia, Russia, India and so on.
Would you feel safe walking in a dangerous area of one of these only cause you know they have tough laws?

BTW. Russia has gangs, South Africa has gangs, Mexico has gangs. NON-MINORITY GANGS....Maybe its a different problem.
And by the way many gangs in america are formed by whites, blacks and Latinos, that have been living there longer than many whites who came in the 20th century to america. They are no immigrants but yet they form gangs?
How come?


Were the streets safer, yes. Ask some of the Western Europeans here.
Yes its true Europe over the last 600 years has fought war after war after #%@&#%@ war, slaughter after slaughter. Europeans dont want to fight wars anymore though, there are no dreams of world domination. You could say that fighitng the bloodiest wars has subconcsiously had an effect.

Also Nazis and the Soviets are still fresh in peoples minds.

As much as Russians hated the Soviet Union, they still prefered the law an order of the past to the crime of today. Ive heard that from Russians.

Poverty also breeds gangs, but so does ignorance. Id say Ignorance is most peoples case on here.


I can agrre with your last statement....It is true.

Concerning the other stuff....You mentioned that the streets were safer back in the days...Which is not true.

"Although there were no national statistics centuries ago, some historians discovered that the archives of some English counties were intact back to the 13th century. So in the 1970's they began diligently counting indictments and comparing them with estimated population levels to get a rough idea of medieval and early modern crime rates. Historians in Continental Europe... came up with findings that yielded the same surprising results: that murder was much more common in the Middle Ages than it is now and that it dropped precipitately in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries."

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/crime.htm



Yes.....There was less street crime during the Soviet Era. But i wonder what its good for when the government is the one that is robbing, stealing and killing. Its an omnipotent street gang on the peak of the political pecking order.
No better than the worst street gang. Nazis and Soviets killed more people
than all streetgangs in world history alltogether.
Id rather have my neighbourhood infested with streetgangs than living under a nazi or communist regime.

And by the way, to say it again, i am from western Europe.
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Postby blue eyed devil » July 13th, 2006, 9:36 am

Id rather have my neighbourhood infested with streetgangs than living under a nazi or communist regime


Well arent you just a damn fool. I would rather have my children grow it where Law is inplace than have some Hoodlum do a drive by and end up killing my child(If i had one).
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Postby Sentenza » July 13th, 2006, 1:53 pm

blue eyed devil wrote:
Id rather have my neighbourhood infested with streetgangs than living under a nazi or communist regime


Well arent you just a damn fool. I would rather have my children grow it where Law is inplace than have some Hoodlum do a drive by and end up killing my child(If i had one).


No, because like i said, Nazis and Communists kill more people than any gang.
One wrong move and you and your family are on the hit list.
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Postby myDick in your mouth » July 19th, 2006, 7:04 pm

Don't separate housing and communities and neighborhoods by income.
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Postby blue eyed devil » July 23rd, 2006, 3:28 am

No, because like i said, Nazis and Communists kill more people than any gang.
One wrong move and you and your family are on the hit list.


So atleast theres law and order.
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Postby Anesis » August 6th, 2006, 7:55 pm

Sentenza wrote:More schools, less jails.
A higher social standard (welfare etc.)-even though this is blasphemy in the ears of many americans- would also help A LOT. Like it or not.
Europe has low crime rates because of this. The proven example is out there.

I see America waging a war on the poor instead of a war against poverty.

Poverty is the main reason for violence on the streets.


But it has to be a different kind of school. Public education now is failing, for more reasons that I am going to go into here.

The high school I teach at is small, no more than 150 students this first year. I think we have 12 teachers on the campus. Class sizes are small. I only have 12 desks in my room, and I don't think I have any full classes. We have time in the morning when we get to talk with the students about current events or topics they choose to create relationships.

The students have to apply to be at the school, and we get to interview them and their parents/family (if they have anyone).

We are on an accelerated block schedule (only four classes a day) and one of those is a reading class. Everyone is required to take reading.

And, each student is getting issued a tablet PC laptop with a wireless connection. The school is technology driven.

This is not a private school. We are not taking honors/advanced students.

We are taking those who are at-risk of dropping out or who have already dropped out.

In my opinion, this is what a school should be like for everyone. But, this takes a lot of money.

Granted, we are dealing with students who are ex-gang members or trying to escape the lifestyle, but at least they have options when they make that decision.
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Postby G.S. f-ing E. » August 8th, 2006, 1:37 pm

draft them all in the military. A unit cannot function if ti is divided. Cohesion in the military would not only bring the gangs together, but it would make them stronger, both mentally and physically. When they are all fully trained, send them to Iraq and let them handle business...the war would be over in a month.
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Postby Mcminister » August 9th, 2006, 12:45 pm

gangs arent the main cause of violence at all, even if gang violence stops , niggaz still gon get smoked,
most people i kno that were murdered were killed over money, beef or over some bitch,
poverty causes violence most the times,
but isnt another main cause, because there are some places that are very poor in europe n don have a murder rate like cities in the US,
i think its the mentality these days people have and the amount of guns there is and how ieasy is it to get one,
IN AFRICA RICH PEOPLE POP EACHOTHER OUT ON THE DAILY,
business men and parliament members in suburbs shoot eachother,
its not gangs or poverty its the mentality n how people think,
wen my parent were growin up they were way poorer than us but they didnt kill eachother, nowadays in my city in africa n others kids shoot eachother like its nothin, n i don mean 200 murders with 2 million people in one city...but somethin like 2000 and some cities with not alot of gangs like johnesburg has had bout 20,000 killings.....stoping gang violence wont stop violence,.....get rid of guns and get rid of the fast lane do anything for money mentality
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Postby Sentenza » August 9th, 2006, 12:53 pm

Mcminister wrote:get rid of guns and get rid of the fast lane do anything for money mentality


Yea probably, but those are two things america is based on. Going to be difficult.
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Postby Anesis » August 9th, 2006, 2:22 pm

Mcminister wrote:get rid of guns and get rid of the fast lane do anything for money mentality


Those are symptoms of a larger problem. even if you do manage to get rid of those things, the cause is still there.

But you are right. Gang violence is just a start.
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Postby BlaKK » August 9th, 2006, 4:07 pm

You can not end gang violence ever in a capitalist government...
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Postby G.S. f-ing E. » August 9th, 2006, 5:01 pm

BlaKK wrote:You can not end gang violence ever in a capitalist government...

thus by implication you say that an alternate form of government would be able to end gang violence. Do you have a suggestion?

in a communist government, you have the government regulating income and who can take certain jobs. you'll have even more people in revolt. communism would if anything, increase gang violence.

in an imperialist government, you have the entire country bent on conquest of another nation. sympathizers would evolve into gangs.

a pacifist society disregards wealth in all aspects but due to human nature to aquire substance, gang violence would eventually root.

a facist society, is similar to the imperialist society except in the fact that the sypathizers would be killed off. gangs would also take root in the extermination of opposition to the government. the Aryan nation began out of facism in germany and italy
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Postby BlaKK » August 9th, 2006, 6:17 pm

I dont have any suggestions, That was not my intention, simply stating that in a capitalistic society "Gangs" can never be completely extinguished.

And you are wrong, an Imperialistic Government Regime can easily put seize to gang violence because gangs would be inapt to manifest, eradicating gangs in general through Marshall Law like dictatorship. There are no Street Gangs in North Korea. Now ask yourself why.
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Postby G.S. f-ing E. » August 9th, 2006, 8:50 pm

you dont think people would revolt under martial law? seriously?
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Postby BlaKK » August 9th, 2006, 9:13 pm

Martial Law "Like" the civilian populace did not rebel and revolt against the North Korean regime now did they?
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Postby Noog » August 14th, 2006, 7:18 am

Its a bizzaire thing and I guess perceptions from outside of America just dont understand how things are over there for the inner cities. LIke this - America is seen as the richest and most resourced country in the whole world and there is a view which thinks that if America really wanted to lower endemic violence in its cities, then it could with political will. But it seems that there is no will, that ghetto violence keeps going round and round, through generations. Anyone would think that the rulers in America have vested interests in keeping the status quo going to prevent the possibility of any grassroots organisations building any movements toward real social justice - its better that there are gangs all over than modern day Panthers or revolutionary thinkers of any ilk.
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Postby Dregsta » September 9th, 2006, 11:53 am

BlaKK wrote:I dont have any suggestions, That was not my intention, simply stating that in a capitalistic society "Gangs" can never be completely extinguished.

And you are wrong, an Imperialistic Government Regime can easily put seize to gang violence because gangs would be inapt to manifest, eradicating gangs in general through Marshall Law like dictatorship. There are no Street Gangs in North Korea. Now ask yourself why.


Why?Cuz those gangs are the GOV!Its a tyarannical regime so where do ya think all the criminals are?By the way very nice bias example buddy.
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Postby MiChuhSuh » September 10th, 2006, 11:33 pm

BlaKK wrote:I dont have any suggestions, That was not my intention, simply stating that in a capitalistic society "Gangs" can never be completely extinguished.

And you are wrong, an Imperialistic Government Regime can easily put seize to gang violence because gangs would be inapt to manifest, eradicating gangs in general through Marshall Law like dictatorship. There are no Street Gangs in North Korea. Now ask yourself why.


There's Chinese gangs who pretend to be smuggling services but kidnap people and sell them as slaves in China

Plus the government itself counterfeits and does other things
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Postby StillNoScript » September 17th, 2006, 12:42 am

A complete and throrough investigation, led by a grand jury of peers in the State of California, into the entire California Department of Corrections's management from the department's inception to present day, combined with a similar, federal grand jury investigation of all high ranking military officials stationed in foreign countries where large amounts of drugs are cultivated, would end street gangs as we know them in about 5 years' time.
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Postby useless_person » September 17th, 2006, 5:38 pm

How to end gang violance:

Make a country and name it America, except put all the rich white and suburban white families there. Call that perfect. Let Larry Hoover run as president for the America you left behind...

Jks jks jks. There is no way to end gang violance in a capitalist gov. It's true. Become a communist state instead and you'll have 95 percent organized crime instead of 95 percent gang violance...
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Postby Sentenza » September 17th, 2006, 5:46 pm

useless_person wrote:How to end gang violance:

Make a country and name it America, except put all the rich white and suburban white families there. Call that perfect. Let Larry Hoover run as president for the America you left behind...

Jks jks jks. There is no way to end gang violance in a capitalist gov. It's true. Become a communist state instead and you'll have 95 percent organized crime instead of 95 percent gang violance...


Ok, but there are capitalist countries that have like 1% of the gang activity the US has.
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Postby useless_person » September 17th, 2006, 9:52 pm

Sentenza wrote:
useless_person wrote:How to end gang violance:

Make a country and name it America, except put all the rich white and suburban white families there. Call that perfect. Let Larry Hoover run as president for the America you left behind...

Jks jks jks. There is no way to end gang violance in a capitalist gov. It's true. Become a communist state instead and you'll have 95 percent organized crime instead of 95 percent gang violance...


Ok, but there are capitalist countries that have like 1% of the gang activity the US has.


That's true. The US is the only US. There are almost a hundred countries with democracies out there, but most of them, or all are different. Canada is similar, yet different. So is Britain.

Russia, on the other hand, is more like my country as it was before Albania attacked it, er, the civil war, but after Yugoslavia split. It's that except it's your size.

In other words, America is like the bigger Canada, but you know the originality is the other way around...

The USA has the best technologies. They have the most money. You come up with just about everything. And because you have the most money and the best technologies, you can afford the best law enforcement, but more of that is put into federal shit.

Your street, aka local police departments are for controlling certain areas. The federal police, like the FBI on the other hand, is for controlling big shit like the Russian Mafia.

See this, they have an empire. They are organized. They are not that much on the news, but their daily operations continue. Federal officers don't have time to hunt down gangs, but usually organize an annual sweep to help the local law enforcenements.

America has more gangs cause it's easier to get into America. Mexico's illigal immigrants, for example. You let people from all races in, but most of the gang population is American, only from the parents of the same race. That's how they grow so quick.

In Russia, it's a communist governement. They hardly let blacks, asians etc in. If someone commits a crime and they go to jail, they can get beaten the fuck out of as much as the cops want. There is no police brutality.

In America, there is police brutality. This makes it for the gangs easier to fight back. Since Russia has a communist governement, they are very strict. There will never be a black or spanish person with baggy clothing smoking a joint on the corner of the street.

The capitalist governement offers freedom, like free trade and open borders. It's easier to breathe. The communist governement does not, so it's harder to breathe. That's why the criminals need to organize themselves. If they don't, they're fucked.

How can I explain this? It's on the tip of my tounge to give you the best and clearest way to understand. Shit...

In America, there is more freedom. In Russia, there is not. America and Russia are similar, but yet different. America is the leader of your world while Russia is the leader of theirs.

First off, gang members pick America to be sloppy because of that freedom. Organized criminals, for example, pick more strict countries, where they can operate more freely.

Since America is so damn good in their federal shit, they can take down a whole ring of something organized by a group of criminals connected to a mafia, and eventually, the federal governement can track down the bosses.

How are you gonna compare kids/teens, 12-18 year olds to adults, which are 35-40+ olds. You can't just go up to any kid wearing baggy clothing and suspect he has drugs on him. Adults make better decisions. That's why there are 100,000 made men in the Russian mafia worldwide while there is 700,000 MS13 members worldwide.

Better to describe is that organized crime groups have an AK47 always intact, while any gang member can have a pocket knife or even a handgun intact.

It's different for every country. The Italians operate on traditional means, aka resturaunts. The Russians operate in every way possible, even weapon factories. The Columbians on the other hand, operate militarily.

The Columbians have FARC. The Italians have the local police forces. The Russians have over 90 percent of their governement.

Organized crime will always beat street gangs in quality, while street gangs will always beat organized crime in quanity, member wise.

OC in numbers is very fuckin' high. They have just about every type of person as a tipper etc. Gangs have their numbers high too, but as a fighting force, mainly the youth.

OC may own a mansion while a street gang may own a crackhouse. Street gangs will always beat OC in countries, especially America, or just in the North and South American regions, aka the west. The east is full of terrorists and organized criminals, not street gangsters.

The Albanians doing drive by shootings in random nightclubs in one of our country's cities is just acts of violance. They don't have connections to street gangs. They have connections to rebels and militia. Or very small OC connections, very weak but worthwhile ones.

Russia and America are the same yet different. America is the only one and with the highest street gang population in the world, basiclly the most street gang population in the world...

Every other country, for example the Taliban in Afghanistan, FARC in Columbia, the GD's in America, Hells Angels in Canada, Triads in China, Russians in Russia, Italians in Italy, Yardies in Jamaica, Warlords in Africa and so on...

What was the main topic again?

Sorry if this didn't help. I had one point to answer your question but I just can't seem to answer it in a sentance, so instead I wrote you a book... :D
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