If US leaves iraq

[se11]

what do you think will happen if we get all our troops out now? i have an opinion, i just want to hear yours.

[looneytunes1]

Chaos.

[EmperorPenguin]

Chaos.

You say that as if it's a party right now. Let's face it, this is a lose/lose situation. Regardless of when the States leave Iraq is fucked. It's just a matter of what degree of crapiness is Iraq in for? You can't rip out a goverment and throw Democracy in it's place, it's never worked in the history of the world why would it work now, especially with such a horrible plan going in? The future of Iraq is up in the air, and chances are really, really good that this country is going to have a pretty harsh next 10 to 30 years.

[rocstar]

What you think go happen to the TROOPS when they do finally pull them out? After the first wave of Troops start leaving and you have the troops who help run the bases etc not necessarily the combat forces those left over troops and contractors are going to get slaughtered. Thats why the talk of leaving a small force behind to help the Iraqi's is stupid. Unless its a large number of troops at all times closeby they will get run over.

[frozen fire]

America started this mess, but i dont believe they are capable of finishing it. Its upto the Iraqi people now to choose for themselves now, and it wont help if america is breathing down their necks.
But to leave Iraq would mean facing the fact that they screwed up big time! i dont believe america is capeble of accepting defeat, they would rather see, More iraqi, And american soldiers die.
There is no peace, no justice, no way of life in Iraq now...things are much more worse then in the days of Saddam, Many here do not want to believe that but it is true! (count the dead, and look at the conditions of the living).
There is no democracy, because there wasnt an intention to bring democracy to Iraq. If they did they would not have entered the way they did, or handled the situation the way they are doing!
I dont believe that Iraq will fully recover soon, but if the americans leave and keep their noses out like they should have in the very beginning its a start for Iraq.

[Sentenza]

Full scale civil war. Breakdown of Iraq. But it will happen anyways, so it makes no difference leaving now or later.

['X']

My question is how high the death toll of the troops going to go up if they stay?


And for all those who want them to stay, how about YOU lace up your boots and volunteer. Don't be a cheerleading, bs flag waver, go and fight for country you say you "love" so much...Let's see those who claim to "love" america back that bs up and go fight "for the freedom" that many of us don't even have here...

[StillNoScript]

Full scale civil war. Breakdown of Iraq. But it will happen anyways, so it makes no difference leaving now or later.

Well, except that Halliburton will lose their oil pipleline if we leave now. We're not. We're sending more troops! Because we will not cut and run from our pipeline!

[StillNoScript]

My question is how high the death toll of the troops going to go up if they stay?


And for all those who want them to stay, how about YOU lace up your boots and volunteer. Don't be a cheerleading, bs flag waver, go and fight for country you say you "love" so much...Let's see those who claim to "love" america back that bs up and go fight "for the freedom" that many of us don't even have here...

That's the damned truth.

And, people will always respond to that by saying, 'Oh, so, just because I believe in fighting fires I have to become a fireman?'. If there was a fire here as bad as the war is in Iraq? YES! If your block is on fire and the fire dept. ran out of water, you're running and filling buckets.

If anyone supports this war, they should be in Iraq. They have no excuse not to be. We are going to recall troops. These guys have committed their obligation, now they have to leave their families and go back, because the majority of people who support this war are too big of mark ass cowards to go and fight it themselves.

No respect for the sideline cheerleaders for this war. Congress should pass a law..any citizen that voted for anyone in congress who still stands by this war to this day, or anyone that voted for Bush, period, should be drafted automatically.

[BlaKK]

If the us leaves Iraq 300 billion dollars went to waste, to shit, 3000+ troops died for nothing, Iran would seize control of the chaos in the region and become even more influential, there is no doubt that iran would use iraqi oil to acquire nukes and become a regional power vacuum in the middle east... lets not get stupid, Iraq was no threat to the us physically, scratch that bull shit that's a mask for the dumb, Saddam and his regime were a direct threat to us interests. which is why Saddam was taken out.

[Lonewolf]

Do you really beleive that the type of democracy that is practiced here
in the United States is really what would work best in other parts of the
world?

Do you really beleive that we can transplant the same "values" which
are cherished here >> and implant them in a people that have their
own culture, heritage and whose history reaches back "millenias" older
than our national history?

Do you really beleive that by establishing a "Democracy" in our likeness,
that we would have served our purpose and validated our reasons for
invasion and insemination?

GANG WARFARE fought with high tech weaponry & high tech turf control!

[Sentenza]

Do you really beleive that we can transplant the same "values" which
are cherished here >> and implant them in a people that have their
own culture, heritage and whose history reaches back "millenias" older
than our national history?

Really though, it doesnt work. You cant implant values from your own country into other countries. Doesnt work. Because they have thier own history and developement that you have to take into account. American/Western democracy just doesnt work there the way it does over here, because the people there have a whole different attitude towards many things. wether it is good or bad, it is what it is.

['X']

If anyone supports this war, they should be in Iraq. They have no excuse not to be.

majority of people who support this war are too big of mark ass cowards to go and fight it themselves.

LOLL!!

Oh but watch the excuses these so-called "patriotics" give for not volunteering or how they don't respond to what you and I said. So many of these phonies be talking about "we" and "us" in regards to america, but yet don't want to get on that front line for "their country"...

No respect for the sideline cheerleaders for this war. Congress should pass a law..any citizen that voted for anyone in congress who still stands by this war to this day, or anyone that voted for Bush, period, should be drafted automatically.

lol..



Good post...

[se11]

My question is how high the death toll of the troops going to go up if they stay?


And for all those who want them to stay, how about YOU lace up your boots and volunteer. Don't be a cheerleading, bs flag waver, go and fight for country you say you "love" so much...Let's see those who claim to "love" america back that bs up and go fight "for the freedom" that many of us don't even have here...

your question will soon be answered...

['X']

My question is how high the death toll of the troops going to go up if they stay?


And for all those who want them to stay, how about YOU lace up your boots and volunteer. Don't be a cheerleading, bs flag waver, go and fight for country you say you "love" so much...Let's see those who claim to "love" america back that bs up and go fight "for the freedom" that many of us don't even have here...

your question will soon be answered...

I don't want a answer.....

[rocstar]

If the us leaves Iraq 300 billion dollars went to waste, to shit, 3000+ troops died for nothing, Iran would seize control of the chaos in the region and become even more influential,

The money already went to waste. Bush not trying to win a "war" right now he trying to save face. Like I said before you can't wage a war against an ideology, you want to get Osama for 9-11, fine do it. Take him out and all his homies. But to declare that you are traveling around the world stamping out terrorism everywhere (which by definition the U.S is a terrorist state, and more Middle Eastern terrorists come from our friends the Saudis than anywhere else) is ridiculous. Thats like declaring I'm god and everyone must all of a sudden follow my beliefs. Nothing changed in Iraq because they were never a threat to us. The only thing that the Bush regime did was topple the balance of power in the region and hand it to a real threat. Iran has been handed power like they never had and are getting stronger. The leaders of Iraq are working for Iran and Shiite interests only.

[EmperorPenguin]

If the us leaves Iraq 300 billion dollars went to waste, to shit, 3000+ troops died for nothing, Iran would seize control of the chaos in the region and become even more influential,

The money already went to waste. Bush not trying to win a "war" right now he trying to save face. Like I said before you can't wage a war against an ideology, you want to get Osama for 9-11, fine do it. Take him out and all his homies. But to declare that you are traveling around the world stamping out terrorism everywhere (which by definition the U.S is a terrorist state, and more Middle Eastern terrorists come from our friends the Saudis than anywhere else) is ridiculous. Thats like declaring I'm god and everyone must all of a sudden follow my beliefs. Nothing changed in Iraq because they were never a threat to us. The only thing that the Bush regime did was topple the balance of power in the region and hand it to a real threat. Iran has been handed power like they never had and are getting stronger. The leaders of Iraq are working for Iran and Shiite interests only.

Anyone else find it odd that Bush declared war on all terrorists organizations and is going after all these middle eastern nations and North Korea, but he's never once waged war on his homeland against the KKK who are defined as a terrorist organization, or bothered to help out the UK to get rid of the IRA? I'd love to hear the rally cry for that one.

[johnnny]

got dam they just hung all of saddams aides and shit, and one was decapitaed in the process

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast ... index.html

DEMOCRACY HAS FAILED US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And if about the states leaving iraq....... There damed if they do and there damed if they dont, know what i mean lol

['X']

but he's never once waged war on his homeland against the KKK who are defined as a terrorist organization

You are not allowed to mention this fact^^, or any other facts like why the government never "profiled" those who look like timothy mcveigh, or those in waco texas...When we mention that, you should read the backlash...

Good post "ep" but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

[EmperorPenguin]

but he's never once waged war on his homeland against the KKK who are defined as a terrorist organization

You are not allowed to mention this fact^^, or any other facts like why the government never "profiled" those who look like timothy mcveigh, or those in waco texas...When we mention that, you should read the backlash...

Good post "ep" but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

That's the crazy thing though, they are terrorists in every form of the word. They have been labelled a terror organization and they are still a threat to national security (though some may argue on what level). Bush really needs to take a look inward and start worrying about those type of groups that are living (born and raised I might add) in America and leave the rest of the world out of his problems.

[rocstar]

EP and X yall aint making no sense. A terrorist can only be Black or Middle Eastern, Asian or a dark Latino. Spanish excluded. Stop acting stupid. Only homegrown terrorist groups the U.S ever had was the Black Panthers and NOI. Check the records.

[BlaKK]

leave the rest of the world out of his problems.

Then what becomes of globalism? What becomes of the US economy? Globalism is irreversible... The worlds problem is Americas problem.

[EmperorPenguin]

EP and X yall aint making no sense. A terrorist can only be Black or Middle Eastern, Asian or a dark Latino. Spanish excluded. Stop acting stupid. Only homegrown terrorist groups the U.S ever had was the Black Panthers and NOI. Check the records.

MMmmmm the sweet smell of sarcasm.

[Lonewolf]

but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

That's true, I get that sh*t all the time from white folks
"DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORIST TO YOU"

And what is a terrorist supposed to like huh?

I also know that a certain level of Gang members are deemed
"terrorists" by the U.S. government, which then leads me to ask. .
If Gangmembers are categorized as terrorists by the government,
then who else is or should be stamped with the same label? And
I'm speaking in Citizen terms >> not foreign nor political terms!

[Lonewolf]

but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

That's true, I get that sh*t all the time from white folks
"DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORIST TO YOU"

And what is a terrorist supposed to look like huh?

I also know that a certain level of Gang members are deemed
"terrorists" by the U.S. government, which then leads me to ask. .
If Gangmembers are categorized as terrorists by the government,
then who else is or should be stamped with the same label? And
I'm speaking in Citizen terms >> not foreign nor political terms!

[frozen fire]

but he's never once waged war on his homeland against the KKK who are defined as a terrorist organization

You are not allowed to mention this fact^^, or any other facts like why the government never "profiled" those who look like timothy mcveigh, or those in waco texas...When we mention that, you should read the backlash...

Good post "ep" but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

That's the crazy thing though, they are terrorists in every form of the word. They have been labelled a terror organization and they are still a threat to national security (though some may argue on what level). Bush really needs to take a look inward and start worrying about those type of groups that are living (born and raised I might add) in America and leave the rest of the world out of his problems.

there are many groups that can be named terrorists, but to whom are they terrorists, to whom do they oppose? as long as its not a big threat to the US, or its allies. they can be left alone for the meantime.

That's true, I get that sh*t all the time from white folks
"DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORIST TO YOU"

And what is a terrorist supposed to look like huh?

Another reason why america doesnt want people to know about all those terrorists organisations found in the US, is that people will say.......hold up, why travel half way across the globe to fight terrorism when they are found right here?? start here Mr president of the *free world*.

[EmperorPenguin]

but he's never once waged war on his homeland against the KKK who are defined as a terrorist organization

You are not allowed to mention this fact^^, or any other facts like why the government never "profiled" those who look like timothy mcveigh, or those in waco texas...When we mention that, you should read the backlash...

Good post "ep" but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

That's the crazy thing though, they are terrorists in every form of the word. They have been labelled a terror organization and they are still a threat to national security (though some may argue on what level). Bush really needs to take a look inward and start worrying about those type of groups that are living (born and raised I might add) in America and leave the rest of the world out of his problems.

there are many groups that can be named terrorists, but to whom are they terrorists, to whom do they oppose? as long as its not a big threat to the US, or its allies. they can be left alone for the meantime.

That's true, I get that sh*t all the time from white folks
"DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORIST TO YOU"

And what is a terrorist supposed to look like huh?

Another reason why america doesnt want people to know about all those terrorists organisations found in the US, is that people will say.......hold up, why travel half way across the globe to fight terrorism when they are found right here?? start here Mr president of the *free world*.

I mentioned the IRA and the KKK because shortly after Sept. 11th George Bush stated he was going to rid the world of terrorist organizations, all of them both of whom have been labelled terrorist organizations. I guess he's too busy getting rid of the Arab and Korean ones, then he'll worry about the White American and Irish ones. I'm sure they're on his list, and I'm sure he's got a great plan on getting rid of them.

[Sentenza]

[Tobbe]

but he's never once waged war on his homeland against the KKK who are defined as a terrorist organization

You are not allowed to mention this fact^^, or any other facts like why the government never "profiled" those who look like timothy mcveigh, or those in waco texas...When we mention that, you should read the backlash...

Good post "ep" but many people do not want to deal with the truth you mentioned. They can't accept that "terrorist" label when it's thrown at people who look like them, and I don't think they would approve of the profiling that many of us of color indure...

That's the crazy thing though, they are terrorists in every form of the word. They have been labelled a terror organization and they are still a threat to national security (though some may argue on what level). Bush really needs to take a look inward and start worrying about those type of groups that are living (born and raised I might add) in America and leave the rest of the world out of his problems.

there are many groups that can be named terrorists, but to whom are they terrorists, to whom do they oppose? as long as its not a big threat to the US, or its allies. they can be left alone for the meantime.

That's true, I get that sh*t all the time from white folks
"DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORIST TO YOU"

And what is a terrorist supposed to look like huh?

Another reason why america doesnt want people to know about all those terrorists organisations found in the US, is that people will say.......hold up, why travel half way across the globe to fight terrorism when they are found right here?? start here Mr president of the *free world*.

I mentioned the IRA and the KKK because shortly after Sept. 11th George Bush stated he was going to rid the world of terrorist organizations, all of them both of whom have been labelled terrorist organizations. I guess he's too busy getting rid of the Arab and Korean ones, then he'll worry about the White American and Irish ones. I'm sure they're on his list, and I'm sure he's got a great plan on getting rid of them.

Just to let u know that IRA is no longer a Terror organisation, and hasn't been one the latest 2 or 3 years. And dosen't Bush have like relatives and such in the KKK ?

And in 10 years or so America will build up concentration camps for muslims, and do the holocaust all over again.

[streetsIswatchin]

What you guys arent seeing is that behind closed doors Bush and his people (U.S. imperialists) are happy at the chaos there. They're loving the civil war. Because this way they have an excuse not to pull out troops from yet another oil producing middle eastern country. They wont be making deals to sell their oil to China anytime soon. The U.S. wants it's hooks in as many places as it can. With Saddam there they'd never touch that oil it was just getting smuggled out little by little. The US said F-- that lets go in there and put our name on it.

The U.S. is getting what it wanted. You think the U.S. really didnt consider that IRAQ would fall apart after getting Saddam Hussein out? LOL come on now, dont let the media fool you so easily, it's all bullsh---. With so much hate in the middle east for america they were counting on this to happen. Al Qaeda is playing right into the hands of the U.S.

If there was no civil war no chaos and everything went smooth the US would be out of there already and of course Iraqis would vote for their OWN government not US puppets. Yeah Iraqis would be thankful but they'd still have a government looking out for them and not the US. Like i said about the Palestinians, sometimes peaceful means brings about more effective change.

Blame it on Middle eastern leaders, from nations to terrorist organizations.... they dont have a clue to what kind of game the US is playing on them

[frozen fire]

Lol.

[streetsIswatchin]

The US is now arming Sunni Militias, the people they've been fighting since day one! Saddam Hussein's people. What the hell was the point of going in there if your going to fight them and them arm them again? And their not friendly to the US either they still want them out. The US is going to use them to fight Al Qaeda. I think it's all bribes.

The US should just get out of Iraq because whats happening there now is whats going to be happenning there tomorrow without US presence.