Here's What They Think About You

[se11]

has anyone noticed that blacks who dont succede feel that slavery has destroyed their life and held them down, yet successful black people dont?

[frozen fire]

^^^ it didn't stop at slavery.

Slavery was just the springboard for the continual abuses of blacks in this country. It was major and still plays apart in the difficulties blacks face today, that is why it will not be gotten over because there was no closure for slavery. If Jim Crow hadn't come, and lynchings, and city burnings, and murders, rapes, ghettos, bad schools, assasination of vocal black leaders, medical experiments, drugs in the community helped by the CIA, and the countless other atrocities that followed slavery.

that's why i saw how can we forget? look at all the shit that happened after slavery. good post!

[madmiddle]

The battle continues to rage between economists, politicians, immigrants' rights activists, and black anti-immigration activists over whether illegal immigrants are the major cause of double-digit joblessness among poor, unskilled young black males.

The battle lines are so tight that black anti-immigration activists have planned a march for jobs for American-born blacks on April 28 in Los Angeles. This is a direct counter to the planned mass action on May 1st by immigrants' rights groups.

According to Labor Department reports, nearly forty percent of young black males are unemployed. Despite the Bush administration's boast that its tax cut and economic policies has resulted in the creation of more than 100,000 new jobs, black unemployment still remains the highest of any group in America. Black male unemployment for the past decade has been nearly double that of white males.

But several years before the immigration combatants squared off, then-University of Wisconsin graduate researcher Devah Pager pointed the finger in another direction -- a direction that makes most employers squirm. That's the persistent and deep racial discrimination in the workplace. Pager found that black men without a criminal record are less likely to find a job than white men with criminal records

Pager's finger-point at discrimination as the main reason for the racial hiring disparity set off a howl of protest from employers, trade groups, and even a Nobel Prize winner. They lambasted her for faulty research. They said her sample was much too small, and the questions too vague. They pointed to the ocean of state and federal laws that ban racial discrimination.

But in 2005, Pager, now a sociologist at Princeton, duplicated her study. She surveyed nearly 1,500 private employers in New York City. She used teams of black and white testers, standardized resumes, and she followed up their visits with telephone interviews with employers. These are the standard methods researchers use to test racial discrimination.

The results were exactly the same as in her earlier study. Black men with no criminal records were no more likely to find work than white men with criminal records. That's true despite the fact that New York has some of the nation's toughest laws against job discrimination.

Dumping the blame for the chronic job crisis of young, poor black men on illegal immigration stokes the hysteria of immigration reform opponents, but it also lets employers off the hook for discrimination. And it's easy to see how that could happen. The mountain of federal and state anti discrimination laws, affirmative action programs, and successful employment discrimination lawsuits gives the public impression that job discrimination is a relic of a shameful, and bigoted racial past.

But that isn't the case, and Pager's study is hardly isolated proof of that. Countless research studies, the Urban League's annual State of Black America report, a 2005 Human Rights Watch report, and the numerous EEOC practice discrimination complaints over the past decade reveal that employers have devised endless dodges to evade anti-discrimination laws. That includes rejecting applicants by their names, areas of the city they live in, and claims of mistaken advertising (that the jobs advertised were filled).

In a comprehensive seven-month university study of the hiring practices of hundreds of Chicago-area employers (a few years before Pager's graduate study), many top company officials said they would not hire blacks. When asked to assess the work ethic of white, black and Latino employees by race, nearly forty percent of the employers ranked blacks dead last.

The employers routinely described blacks as "unskilled," "uneducated," "illiterate." "dishonest," "lacked initiative," "unmotivated," "involved with gangs and drugs," "did not understand work," "unstable," "lacked charm," "had no family values," and were "poor role models."

The consensus among these employers was that blacks brought their alleged pathologies to the work place, and were to be avoided at all costs. The researchers found that black business owners shared many of the same negative attitudes.

Other surveys have found that a substantial number of non-white business owners also refuse to hire blacks. Their bias effectively closed out another area of employment to thousands of blacks, solely based on their color.

This only tells part of the sorry job picture for many poor blacks. The Congressional Black Caucus reports that at least half of all unemployed black workers have been out of work for nearly a year or more. Many more have given up looking for work. The Census does not count them among the unemployed.

The dreary job picture for the unskilled and marginally skilled urban poor, especially the black poor, is compounded by the racially skewed attitudes of small and large employers. Even if there was not a single illegal immigrant in America, that attitude insures that black job seekers would still be just as poor and unemployed.

[johnnny]

^-- see in america, so again fuck you if you think im american

[frozen fire]

Canada is pretty close to america....

[johnnny]

In canada especially in ontario our government is making an attempt o hire alot of foriegn doctors

[frozen fire]

Canada is pretty close to america....

^^ that was a joke...Nevermind.

[johnnny]

Canada is pretty close to america....

it is VERY close canada was spawned from britian the same as the US, austraila and new zealand. My country has racism too, just liek every other country.

Most of the racial hatred here has been spawned from amerikkka, just like everything we get from america

[johnnny]

im over arguing it, i know im not racistand im going to continue to do what i do to make things right, even if thats on the person to person level only..

and madmiddle you can suck a dick, along with mohammad ali if you think im the devil

[frozen fire]

Anyone know the actual percentage of minorities in the USA?

[madmiddle]

Anyone know the actual percentage of minorities in the USA?

about 30%

[frozen fire]

Thats alot.

[johnnny]

most of everbody is mixed in america, i read somewhere that america isnt getting blacker or whiter but in fact browner.

By 2050 white will have been made into a pluralty

[frozen fire]

^^^ Will this make any difference to racism?? what you guys think?

[johnnny]

no, america is a multiculturism nation with too many cultures

[frozen fire]

Even though then most will not be purely white nor black, if everyone is almost mixed, how can they mock one another?

[SAINTJAYMES]

"those who are surrouned by untruths are bound by mental slavery"

think about that[/quote]

you said a mouth full rite there and it is so many untruths that keep blacks bound in this slave system and the sadest part is unless it comes from the slave master blacks for the most part wont beleive it

[johnnny]

saintjaymes its true ive said it before man the whites in america arent ready to help blacks in america. This war be waged is being spilled over into my country and others.....

On my level i do what i can for equality

[johnnny]

Dude there have always been whites opposed to slavery but the bad whites have always overshadowed the good ones, because of the sheer numbers

[johnnny]

Even though then most will not be purely white nor black, if everyone is almost mixed, how can they mock one another?

aside from race theres too much greed in north america

[frozen fire]

saintjaymes its true ive said it before man the whites in america arent ready to help blacks in america.

Lets not look into the past, look at Katrina.

[frozen fire]

^^ its not even in the news no more.

[johnnny]

ww3 is just around the corner

[johnnny]

Peace to all, i hope we can find peace within our communities...

[se11]

Dude there have always been whites opposed to slavery but the bad whites have always overshadowed the good ones, because of the sheer numbers

how has anyone in america been to or for slavery since it hasnt been in effect since the 1800s? there are no supporters or protestors anymore nand their havent been for 150 years.

[ManifestTruth]

has anyone noticed that blacks who dont succede feel that slavery has destroyed their life and held them down, yet successful black people dont?

You really cannot say this(well you can but..) unless you've held court with all the successful Black people. First off, success is relative to one's
own idea of success. Secondly, there is a wealth of successful Black folk who rail against this flawed, uneven, and inherently racist American "democracy". Thirdly, I'm successful(quite successful might I add) and while I dont feel Whites are inherently evil, I believe many of them blindly support this flawed system. Alas, many of those successful Blacks you mention sold their souls for the riches and prestige so why would the affects of slavery even matter to them?? Uncle Tom lives!!

[black]

has anyone noticed that blacks who dont succede feel that slavery has destroyed their life and held them down, yet successful black people dont?

You really cannot say this(well you can but..) unless you've held court with all the successful Black people. First off, success is relative to one's
own idea of success. Secondly, there is a wealth of successful Black folk who rail against this flawed, uneven, and inherently racist American "democracy". Thirdly, I'm successful(quite successful might I add) and while I dont feel Whites are inherently evil, I believe many of them blindly support this flawed system. Alas, many of those successful Blacks you mention sold their souls for the riches and prestige so why would the affects of slavery even matter to them?? Uncle Tom lives!!

real shit.

[se11]

has anyone noticed that blacks who dont succede feel that slavery has destroyed their life and held them down, yet successful black people dont?

You really cannot say this(well you can but..) unless you've held court with all the successful Black people. First off, success is relative to one's
own idea of success. Secondly, there is a wealth of successful Black folk who rail against this flawed, uneven, and inherently racist American "democracy". Thirdly, I'm successful(quite successful might I add) and while I dont feel Whites are inherently evil, I believe many of them blindly support this flawed system. Alas, many of those successful Blacks you mention sold their souls for the riches and prestige so why would the affects of slavery even matter to them?? Uncle Tom lives!!

well the flawed system doesnt come from slavery it comes from the 50s-60s. i think the civil rights movements are the reason why the system has been flawed. because after the civil rights you had to pick a side, you were either for intergration or against it. there was no more just letting to negros get by, people became forced to live in a diverse society. those against the movement, although blacks were given rights, didnt consider it. thats where the lingering effect comes from. but in todays society, to not be successful has nothing to do with this, it comes from one persons personal flaws, not those from the 60s.

[madmiddle]

has anyone noticed that blacks who dont succede feel that slavery has destroyed their life and held them down, yet successful black people dont?

You really cannot say this(well you can but..) unless you've held court with all the successful Black people. First off, success is relative to one's
own idea of success. Secondly, there is a wealth of successful Black folk who rail against this flawed, uneven, and inherently racist American "democracy". Thirdly, I'm successful(quite successful might I add) and while I dont feel Whites are inherently evil, I believe many of them blindly support this flawed system. Alas, many of those successful Blacks you mention sold their souls for the riches and prestige so why would the affects of slavery even matter to them?? Uncle Tom lives!!

well the flawed system doesnt come from slavery..... i think the civil rights movements are the reason why the system has been flawed

se11 is sick

[se11]

did you read the rest of the fucking post you fucking loser.

[ManifestTruth]

Madmiddle wrote:
"se11 is sick"

LOL, actually, he has something to add, and he's to be lauded(by me anyway) for that..

[se11]

maybe i should further explain myself, for those who didnt graduate junior high school. before the civil rights movements people just let black people live in the shadows using their own things. they didnt recognize them as equals. once MLK and the right movement happened, people became aware of black peoples rights being obstructed, and then people could no longer just let them go on in the shadows since schools, bathrooms, restuarnts, and ect. were now segregated. the people around were either with or against the civil rights movement. those against it created the flawed system. now do you understand ?