mnjmc wrote:
Yes I was aware that the US had a big part in killing and capturing drug lords in Colombia. You want to know how I know? I live on planet Earth and I'm neither blind, deaf, nor retarded. Everyone knows the US plays big role in many countries in South America, Central America and Mexico. They supply all of their federal police forces with the latest gear. Not to mention they give away helicopters, vehicles, and boats to them, and not just in Colombia. And lets not forget the School of the Americans where those Latin American countries can send their soldiers to be trained by the US. So its nothing special that those "special units", as you call them, were trained in the US. Every "special unit" that Latin American, the US has some hand in their development and training, since way back when.
Yes, but from what i know, all of these activities increased heavily, during the times of the Reagan administration. Pablo Escobars times. Actually the US sent military forces down there triangulating his cell phone, when he was on the run from authorities and much more. That was new at that time.
I guess i also dont have to tell you anything about "El Catedral", the Avianca Boeing 727 that was blown up by Escobar and the other crimes that even made him stick out in Columbia. It is also said, that the Orejuela brothers had their hands in the killing of Pablo, but that may be just a rumour.
mnjmc wrote:And agian how did they get that 30 billion dollar number? I know for sure you don't know. If you do, then please explain to me in detail how they came up with it. If you can't do that then don't throw that number at me.
For a start you might read this interview and the book written by this guy. Its called Killing Pablo..The guy who researched for this book met several Us government officials, Columbian ones, freinds and foes of Pablo and a few more. A good read and well researched.
Apart from that, the figures about his wealth were estimated of course. They took down his bank accounts, confiscated property and so on. You might argue about the precise amount of wealth he had. But there is not a single person that ever doubted that he was a billionaire. Neither US officials, judges, freinds of him or foes. No one.
mnjmc wrote:By the way, why did you say you don't believe too much on what's on the papers. Then you provide me some links to those very same media outlets you claim not to trust. BBC? Come on man, the least you of should come up it was reporting done by some reporter in Colombia who was either assassinated or there was attempt made on his or her life. Because if some one is willing to kill you on what you report, you know what they are writing is the truth.
So that is the only indication that counts for you? Just when someone was tried to be killed its truth what he writes? Doesnt really convince me.
Apart from that i critically think about what might be the intention of this or that media station when they write about certain things. Which means i wouldnt belive a Fox News journalist talking about Iraq as much as i wouldnt believe everything that a french journalist has to say about the US and so on. Doesnt mean that they are always wrong about what they write.
mnjmc wrote:And lastly presidential candidates, politicians, judges, and police men are killed all that damn time in Latin America. Because it is Latin America not candy assed Europe.LOL. Besides a lot public figures murdered were killed by their political adversaries. Those presidential candidates were most likely killed by the man they were running against. You see this happens all the time in Latin America. Someone kills a politician, police chief, or judge, and who do they use to cover up the crime. They just blame it all on the drug lord. In Colombia their were many lands that were solely controlled by the FARC and other paramilitary groups, which Pablo had no control over. How many people that the FARC and other paramilitary groups killed and people just blamed Pablo for it. Think about it.
I know, thats how Columbia is like. And thats why i prefer to live in "candy assed Europe" and so would you. But you live in "candy assed US" where things like that are not happening either.
So it doesnt make a too big difference.
But ok, everyone is killing everyone down there, i know that. That doesnt change the fact that no one even dared to put his hands on Escobar for a long time, cause they knew that would have been a death sentence.
Actually there have been so many killings that were obviously linked to Pablo that there is no telling about how many people he killed.
