Black Separatist (?)

['X']

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp?T=17&m=3

[MiChuhSuh]

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp?T=17&m=3

For a while teh OLD NOI was seperatist and called "the white man" the devil.

That is before Malcolm X went to Mecca, realized that the whole thing was BS and a scam and not true Islam, and took back his words about teh white people being devils and not being able to live with them, and then said that they should work together. And Elijah Muhammed and Farrakhan killed him.

And ya, X you will get pissed at me for this, I know you are NOI, BUT:
Understand I have nothing against the "new" NOI as it is today, they are really Muslim (Sunni, I believe) and now are not about all that BS that the old NOI said.

[MiChuhSuh]

P.S.

R.I.P. MLK Jr and Malcolm X

[perongregory]

what proof do you have of elijah muhammad and farrakhan killing him? do you know that one of the black guys with malcolm the day he got killed was undercover police? It would be more plausible for you to say that factions in the NOI, angry and jealous of Malcolm, manipulated Elijah and had him killed, but Elijah loved Malcolm, plus he was old as hell when Malcolm shanged some of his beliefs. I don't think he had him killed.

['X']

what proof do you have of elijah muhammad and farrakhan killing him? do you know that one of the black guys with malcolm the day he got killed was undercover police? It would be more plausible for you to say that factions in the NOI, angry and jealous of Malcolm, manipulated Elijah and had him killed, but Elijah loved Malcolm, plus he was old as hell when Malcolm shanged some of his beliefs. I don't think he had him killed.

Very interesting points^^


It is so obvious of those who only seem to have read the book on Bro. Malcolm or seen the movie(which both were inaccurate). They say the same old tired lines like "End Violence Now" said...The death of Bro. Malcolm is a very serious subject and you cant get the full understanding from just the book or movie...

['X']

And ya, X you will get pissed at me for this, I know you are NOI, BUT:
Understand I have nothing against the "new" NOI as it is today, they are really Muslim (Sunni, I believe) and now are not about all that BS that the old NOI said.

Come on now, pissed? Not in the least bit. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just dont get when you say the "new and old" NOI.
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And I'm not sure if I posted this before, but this article gives alot of "factual" insight on those responsible for our bruthas death...

Time heals broken spirits
By Lamont Muhammad


NEW YORK - Five men who once called one another “Brother” until the unfortunate split between Minister Malcolm X and his teacher, the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, came together May 20 for a panel to honor Al Hajj Malik El Shabazz, set the record straight and embrace each other for the first time in 40 years.

Hosted by the Black Studies Program at the City University of New York (CUNY), the “Memories of Malcolm X By Those Who Knew Him” panel discussion was part of the Third Annual Symposium on Institutional Building in Harlem, entitled “The Malcolm X Legacy: A Global Perspective.” Dr. Leonard Jefferies, head of the program, moderated the event, describing it as an effort to regain power to define our history. “This is an historic occasion,” bellowed Cheikh Omar Abu Ahmed, who organized the panel, which also included Minister Benjamin Karim, Abdullah H. Abdur-Razzaq (James 67X), Dr. Abdul Alim Shabazz and Minister Abdul Akbar Muhammad (Larry 4X).

All five men spoke of Min. Malcolm with admiration, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad like a father and the Nation of Islam (NOI) as the institution that nurtured their manhood. The most startling information shared was Mr. Razzaq’s declaration that neither Norman 3X Butler (now Muhammad Abdul Aziz) nor Thomas 15X Johnson (now Khalil Islam) were in the Audubon Ballroom the day of Min. Malcolm’s “public execution.” Both men denied involvement in the murder of Min. Malcolm on February 21, 1965, yet each served over 20 years for the crime.

Although many academics participating in the symposium described the break between the gifted Min. Malcolm and the NOI in terms of a student outgrowing a jealous teacher and his narrow-minded doctrine, all five presenters on the panel at CCNY expressed their view, that the events that led up to his assassination was a result of J. Edgar Hoover’s CIA war on the rise of a “Black Messiah.” It was a diabolical plot that was orchestrated from within and without the NOI that caused bloodshed and divided a family, they all suggested.


“The NOI didn’t kill Malcolm,” declared Mr. Razzaq. “He was easy to kill. They could have just sat in a car and waited for him to come home,” he said. “Who refused to let him land in France? Who tried to poison him in Eygpt?” he asked the crowd.


“The CIA,” the crowd answered.

Mr. Karim assured the audience that all of the men who were responsible for the execution paid with their lives, except for one, evidently referring to Talmadge Hayer, the only one of the three men convicted of the murder to confess. Mr. Hayer also testified during the two-month trial that neither Mr. Aziz nor Mr. Islam was involved in the deadly plot.


The first order of correction—his name, insisted Cheikh Omar. “His name is Al Hajj, not El Hajj. He was named (Malik Shabazz) by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad in 1959. Stop calling him Malcolm. Give him the respect he is due. Call him Al Hajj or Min. Malcolm,” he implored.

Min. Akbar shared his elation over Mr. Razzaq’s earlier statement, as well as the joy in embracing him. “He was my lieutenant,” Min. Akbar recalled later, “and we loved each other.”

Mr. Razzaq agreed. “Bro. Larry (Min. Akbar) was inherently decent. I was surprised to see that 40 years later nothing had changed,” Mr. Razzaq shared later. “I can remember when I became the circulation manager of Muhammad Speaks. Bro. Larry sold 600 copies of one edition. That is when I recommended him to Min. Malcolm for the Minister’s Class,” he recalled.

Min. Akbar discussed the brilliance, discipline and dedication to the Cause that Min. Malcolm demonstrated, and also attacked the spin doctors whom he accused of trying to twist the famed spokesman’s legacy, bury the significance of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad’s impact on Black progress in America, and blame Minister Louis Farrakhan for his death.

He said he could not understand how a man who spent 10 years building his reputation as Minister of Mosque No. 7, could have his legacy limited to the last 349 days of his life, which were spent in Africa and the Middle East. He pulled out a New York Times Arts Section highlighting events in the city honoring Min. Malcolm, which also referred to him as a “civil rights giant.”

He then showed the audience a book entitled, “Louis Farrakhan,” which is distributed to public schools, yet “deals more with Min. Malcolm than Min. Farrakhan and drops the seed that Min. Farrakhan was responsible for the murder of Malcolm X,” he charged. He opened the book to a picture of Mr. Razzaq, who was identified by another name, and pointed out the inaccuracy of the book’s claim that Mr. Razzaq was gunned down in the bloodbath that followed the execution of Min. Malcolm. When asked, no one in the room said they had seen the book before.

Another correction on history the panelists made was that Min. Malcolm and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had a meeting. According to Mr. Razzaq, the two giants were at a public meeting at the same time.

“Malcolm said he would like to shake King’s hand, so I made it happen,” he explained, noting, however, that Dr. King did meet with the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Four months later, Dr. King was assassinated . “They never talk about that meeting,” he pointed out.

With a renewed brotherhood, the panelists exchanged numbers at the end of the program. Min. Akbar shared later that he has lived with a “broken spirit” since the tragic events that led to murder and the subsequent 40-year split between members of the Nation who labored together and loved each other. He said the reunion was beautiful.

The modestly attended symposium was one of many functions that kicked off the commemorative exhibition, “Malcolm X: A Search For Truth,” that will be showcased at the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture/ The New York Public Library May 19 to Dec. 31. The exhibition includes a collection of personal and professional papers and memorabilia of Min. Malcolm that was rescued from auction in 2002.

[perongregory]

dope post. we need more shit like that to set things straight. We can't forget about cointel pro. J Edgar Hoover hated "radical" blacks, and had a vendetta against them.

['X']

dope post. we need more shit like that to set things straight.

Yes sir!!

We can't forget about cointel pro. J Edgar Hoover hated "radical" blacks, and had a vendetta against them.

You right, cant for get about the COINTELPRO, lets peep them out







The Nation of Islam & U.S. GovernmentCounterintelligence Program (FBI File Date: 08-25-1967)


SAC, Albany August 25, 1967

PERSONAL ATTENTION TO ALL OFFICES
Director FBI 1 - Mr. C. D. Brennan

COUNTERINTELLIGENCE PROGRAM 1 - Mr. Bland

BLACK NATIONALIST-HATE GROUPS 1 - Mr. Trainor
INTERNAL SECURITY 1 - Mr. B. A. Wells
1 - Mr. C. W. Thompson
1 - Mr. Ryan
Offices receiving copies of this letter are instructed to immediately establish a control file captioned as above, and to assign responsibility for following and coordinating this new counterintelligence program to an experienced and imaginative Special Agent well versed in investigations relating to black nationalist, hate-type organizations. The field office control file used under this program may be maintained in a pending inactive status until such time as a specific operation or technique is placed under consideration for implementation.

The purpose of this new counterintelligence endeavor is to expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize the activities of black nationalist, hate-type organizations and groupings, their leadership, spokesmen, membership, and supporters, and to counter their propensity for violence and civil disorder. The activities of all such groups of intelligence interest to this Bureau must be followed on a continuous basis so we will be in a position to promptly take advantage of all opportunities for counterintelligence and to inspire action in instances where circumstances warrant. The pernicious background of such groups, their duplicity, and devious maneuvers must be exposed to public scrutiny where such publicity will have a neutralizing effect. Efforts of various groups


2 - Atlanta 2 - Philadelphia
2 - Baltimore 2 - Phoenix
2 - Boston 2 - Pittsburgh
2 - Buffalo 2 - Richmond
2 - Charlotte 2 - St. Louis
2 - Chicago 2 - San Francisco
2 - Cincinnati 2 - Washington Field Office
2 - Cleveland
2 - Detroit
2 - Jackson
2 - Los Angeles
2 - Memphis
2 - Newark
2 - New Orleans
2 - New York
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Letter to SAC, Albany
RE: COUNTERINTELLIGENCE PROGRAM
BLACK NATIONALIST - HATE GROUPS

To consolidate their forces or to recruit new or youthful adherents must be frustrated. No opportunity should be missed to exploit through counterintelligence techniques the organizational and personal conflicts of the leaderships of the groups and where possible an effort should be made to capitalize upon existing conflicts between competing black nationalist organizations. When an opportunity is apparent to disrupt or neutralize black nationalist, hate type organizations through the cooperation of established local news media contacts or through such contact with sources available to the Seat of Government, in every instance careful attention must be given to the proposal to insure the targeted group is disrupted and not merely publicized. Consideration should be given to techniques to preclude violence-prone or rabble-rouser leaders of hate groups from spreading their philosophy publicly or through various mass communication media.

Many individuals currently active in black nationalist organizations have backgrounds of immorality, subversive activity, and criminal records. Through your investigation of key agitators, you should endeavor to establish their unsavory backgrounds. Be alert to determine evidence of misappropriation of funds or other types of personal misconduct on the part of militant nationalist leaders so any practical or warranted counter-intelligence may be instituted.

Intensified attention under this program should be afforded to the activities of such groups as the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, Revolutionary Action Movement, the Deacons for Defense and Justice, Congress of Racial Equality, and the Nation of Islam. Particular emphasis should be given to extremists who direct the activities and policies of revolutionary or militant groups such as Stokely Carmichael, H. "Rap" Brown, Elijah Muhammad, and Maxwell Stanford.

At this time the Bureau is setting up no requirement for status letters to be periodically submitted under this program. It will be incumbent upon you to insure the program is being afforded necessary and continuing attention and that no opportunities will be overlooked for counterintelligence action.

This program should not be confused with the program entitled "Communist Party, USA, Counterintelligence Program, Internal Security - C," (Bufile 100-3-104), which is directed

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Letter to SAC, Albany
RE: COUNTERINTELLIGENCE PROGRAM
BLACK NATIONALIST - HATE GROUPS

Against the Communist Party and related organizations, or the program entitled "Counterintelligence Program, Internal Security, Disruption of Hate Groups," (Bufile 157-9), which is directed against Klan and hate-type groups primarily consisting of white memberships.

All Special Agent personnel responsible for the investigation of black nationalist, hate-type organizations and their memberships should be altered to our counterintelligence interest and each investigative Agent has a responsibility to call to the attention of the counterintelligence coordinator suggestions and possibilities for implementing the program. You are also cautioned that the nature of this new endeavor is such that under no circumstances should the existence of the program be made known outside the Bureau and appropriate within-office security should be afforded to sensitive operations and techniques considered under the program.

No counterintelligence action under this program may be initiated by the field without prior Bureau authorization.

You are urged to take an enthusiastic and imaginative approach to this new counterintelligence endeavor and the Bureau will be pleased to entertain any suggestions or techniques you may recommend.


COUNTERINTELLIGENCE PROGRAM (FBI)
FILE DATE: 08-25-1967


COUNTERINTELLIGENCE PROGRAM (FBI)
FILE DATE: 01-07-1969


COINTELPRO
The Sabotage of Legitimate Dissent

The Untold Story of COINTELPRO
-Past and Present













Copyright © 2005

['X']

Oh and I cant forget about how the COINTELPRO did the La Raza, let's check this out....







COINTELPRO: US Domestic Covert Operations against
La Raza
Researched and Compiled by the
Minister of Information - Nation of Aztlan



Specific Operations Against La Raza

La Raza Unida Party of Texas was plagued with repeated, unsolved COINTELPRO-style political break-ins. Former government operative Eustacio "Frank" Martinez has admitted that after the close of COINTELPRO, the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) paid him to help destroy La Casa de Carnalsimo, a Chicano community anti-drug program in Los Angeles. Martinez, who had previously infiltrated the Brown Berets and the Chicano Moratorium, stated that the ATF directed him to provoke bombings and plant a drug pusher in La Casa.
In 1973, Chicano activist and lawyer Francisco "Kiko" Martinez was indicted in Colorado on trumped-up bombing charges and suspended from the bar. He was forced to leave the United States for fear of assassination by police directed to shoot him "on sight." When Martinez was eventually brought to trial in the 1980s, many of the charges against him were dropped for insufficient evidence and local juries acquitted him of others. One case ended in a mistrial when it was found that the judge had met secretly with prosecutors, police, and government witnesses to plan perjured testimony, and had conspired with the FBI to conceal video cameras in the courtroom.

A serious and damaging COINTELPRO action against La Raza has been the "framing" of Ramsey Muniz. Ramsey Muniz was an effective leader of La Raza Unida Party in Texas and was its candidate for governor in 1974. Falling victim to DEA trump up charges Ramsey is now doing life without the possibility of parole at Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary. There is a strong movement underway to obtain his freedom and to release him from long term "solitary confinement". The full story on this miscarriage of justice can be found at http://www.serve.com/Impacto/ramsey.html

Starting in 1976, the FBI manipulated the grand jury process to assault both the Chicano and Puerto Rican movements. Under the guise of investigating Las Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion National Puertorriqueo (FALN) and other Puerto Rican urban guerrillas, the Bureau harassed and disrupted a cultural center, an alternative high school, and other promising community organizing efforts in Chicago's Puerto Rican barrio and in the Chicano communities of Denver and northern New Mexico. It subpoenaed radical Puerto Rican trade union leader Federico Cintron Fiallo and key staff of the National Commission on Hispanic Affairs of the U.S. Episcopal Church to appear before federal grand juries and jailed them for refusing to cooperate. The independent labor movement in Puerto Rico and the Commission's important work in support of Puerto Rican and Chicano organizing were effectively discredited.

On July 25, 1978, an undercover agent lured two young Puerto Rican independence activists, Carlos Soto Arrive and Arnaldo Dario Rosado, to their deaths in a police ambush at Cerro Maravilla, Puerto Rico. The agent, Alexander Gonzalez Malave, worked under the direct supervision of the FBI-trained intelligence chief of the island's police force. The FBI refused to investigate when the police claimed they were merely returning gunfire initiated by the activists. Later it was proved that Soto and Dario had surrendered and were then beaten and shot dead while on their knees. Though a number of officers were found guilty of perjury in the cover-up and one was sentenced for the murder, the officials who set up the operation remain free. Gonzalez has been promoted.

On November 11, 1979, Angel Rodriguez Cristobal, popular socialist leader of the movement to stop U.S. Navy bombing practice on the inhabited Puerto Rican island of Vieques, was murdered in the U.S. penitentiary in Tallahassee, Florida. Though U.S. authorities claimed "suicide," Rodriguez Cristobal, in the second month of a six-month term for civil disobedience, had been in good spirits when seen by his lawyer hours before his death. He had been subjected to continuous threats and harassment, including forced drugging and isolation, during his confinement. Though he was said to have been found hanging by a bed sheet, there was a large gash on his forehead and blood on the floor of his cell.

Another of our front line organizations which have been the victims of continuing COINTELPRO type operations has been the Brown Beret National Organization. David Sanchez, its leader, has been the victim of a "COINTELPRO Psychological War" against him. His home was fired bomb during the early 1970's and this almost resulted in the death of his little sister. He had to disband the "Berets" in during the upheavals of the National Chicano Moratorium Committee Marches in East Los Angeles in order to stop the shedding of blood between some of the "Berets" units. The disunity and division was caused by the infiltration of COINTELPRO agents. Thorough details on the government's efforts to destroy the Brown Beret can be obtained on their National Website at http://www.brownberets.org

[MiChuhSuh]

what proof do you have of elijah muhammad and farrakhan killing him? do you know that one of the black guys with malcolm the day he got killed was undercover police? It would be more plausible for you to say that factions in the NOI, angry and jealous of Malcolm, manipulated Elijah and had him killed, but Elijah loved Malcolm, plus he was old as hell when Malcolm shanged some of his beliefs. I don't think he had him killed.

Very interesting points^^


It is so obvious of those who only seem to have read the book on Bro. Malcolm or seen the movie(which both were inaccurate). They say the same old tired lines like "End Violence Now" said...The death of Bro. Malcolm is a very serious subject and you cant get the full understanding from just the book or movie...

To be honest, I never sawt eh book or movie, I just met someone who was former, well former "old NOI" (he uses those terms) and is now in the "new NOI". He said as he moved up the ranks in the Nation he realized (these are his words) that it was not only in line with Islam as defined by the Koran, but that there were so many traps for it being a money making scam. The NOI today is definitely Muslim, though, I know him and some other Muslims from his mosque from all over the place, like Egypt, Libya, Palestine, etc. and they share the same belief now.

The reason he says "old NOI" is because (again his words) the M.W. Fard crap, he is nowhere in the Koran and it specifically says in the Koran that there will be no more prophets after Mohammed so where that put Elijah and M.W. Fard?

And actually the whole concept of M.W. Fard, who he is, and his existence contradicts beliefs stated in the Koran. Beliefs like this are what he said seperates the "old" and "new" NOI



But ya, we all know, and the government will admit this too, that in the past and during Malcolm and MLK's times they were conspiring and plotting against almost any black groups (shown by how they supsected even MLK's total peace stance). I just think that someone in NOI definitely had something to do with his death.

The articles you posted, I will definitely read sometime, I'll get back to you on that.

['X']

The reason he says "old NOI" is because (again his words) the M.W. Fard crap, he is nowhere in the Koran and it specifically says in the Koran that there will be no more prophets after Mohammed so where that put Elijah and M.W. Fard?

Prophets ? I hope your "friend" didn't tell you that either of these men claimed to be "prophets".

[MiChuhSuh]

The reason he says "old NOI" is because (again his words) the M.W. Fard crap, he is nowhere in the Koran and it specifically says in the Koran that there will be no more prophets after Mohammed so where that put Elijah and M.W. Fard?

Prophets ? I hope your "friend" didn't tell you that either of these men claimed to be "prophets".

What was MW Fard? According to him they were trying to claim him as some sort of supernatural dude. I know they no longer believe this but still.

Hey just an update, he is no longer NOI, he moved so he just goes to a regular Sunni mosque. His name is Regal but we call him Reggie or Reg, but sorry can't give his last name over the internet...

[black]

The reason he says "old NOI" is because (again his words) the M.W. Fard crap, he is nowhere in the Koran and it specifically says in the Koran that there will be no more prophets after Mohammed so where that put Elijah and M.W. Fard?

Prophets ? I hope your "friend" didn't tell you that either of these men claimed to be "prophets".

actually elijah muhammad from the noi said he was the messenger of god in his book "the theology of time" and messenger can be interpreted as a prophet.

the prophet muhammad from medina (peace be unto him) called his self the messenger and last prophet of allah and said their will be none after him. so how can elijah be a messenger?

[A Ghost]

what proof do you have of elijah muhammad and farrakhan killing him? do you know that one of the black guys with malcolm the day he got killed was undercover police? It would be more plausible for you to say that factions in the NOI, angry and jealous of Malcolm, manipulated Elijah and had him killed, but Elijah loved Malcolm, plus he was old as hell when Malcolm shanged some of his beliefs. I don't think he had him killed.

Very interesting points^^


It is so obvious of those who only seem to have read the book on Bro. Malcolm or seen the movie(which both were inaccurate). They say the same old tired lines like "End Violence Now" said...The death of Bro. Malcolm is a very serious subject and you cant get the full understanding from just the book or movie...

Innacurate?

How so?

[ManifestTruth]

Brothers from Temple No. ?? in Newark, NJ killed El Hajj Malik El Shabazz and not on the orders of Honorable Elijah Muhammad or Minister Louis Farrakhan.

[A Ghost]

My question is how is the movie or the book inaccurate?

[MiChuhSuh]

which book or movies?

[A Ghost]

which book or movies?

The Autobiography of Malcolm X and the movie Malcolm X

[ManifestTruth]

which book or movies?

The Autobiography of Malcolm X and the movie Malcolm X

Inaccurate regarding who actually had him taken out. Like Chuck D said,
"Don't Believe the Hype".

[A Ghost]

which book or movies?

The Autobiography of Malcolm X and the movie Malcolm X

Inaccurate regarding who actually had him taken out. Like Chuck D said,
"Don't Believe the Hype".

This is making me want to read the book

[A Ghost]

what proof do you have of elijah muhammad and farrakhan killing him? do you know that one of the black guys with malcolm the day he got killed was undercover police? It would be more plausible for you to say that factions in the NOI, angry and jealous of Malcolm, manipulated Elijah and had him killed, but Elijah loved Malcolm, plus he was old as hell when Malcolm shanged some of his beliefs. I don't think he had him killed.

Very interesting points^^


It is so obvious of those who only seem to have read the book on Bro. Malcolm or seen the movie(which both were inaccurate). They say the same old tired lines like "End Violence Now" said...The death of Bro. Malcolm is a very serious subject and you cant get the full understanding from just the book or movie...

Wasn't the book a cumulation of interviews with Malcolm?

[A Ghost]

what proof do you have of elijah muhammad and farrakhan killing him? do you know that one of the black guys with malcolm the day he got killed was undercover police? It would be more plausible for you to say that factions in the NOI, angry and jealous of Malcolm, manipulated Elijah and had him killed, but Elijah loved Malcolm, plus he was old as hell when Malcolm shanged some of his beliefs. I don't think he had him killed.

Very interesting points^^


It is so obvious of those who only seem to have read the book on Bro. Malcolm or seen the movie(which both were inaccurate). They say the same old tired lines like "End Violence Now" said...The death of Bro. Malcolm is a very serious subject and you cant get the full understanding from just the book or movie...

Wasn't the book a cumulation of interviews with Malcolm?