Why do you believe in God?

[A Ghost]

SPIRITUAL AS IN HAVING A REAL MIND THAT "THINKS" AND NOT ONE
THAT ONLY REACTS TO IMPULSE AND DRIVEN BY "NO REAL BRAINS"

that depends on the person, people think differently

I WAS JUST FUCKIN' WITH GHOST ON THIS ONE . . . I'M GETTING
ANNOYED BY GHOST'S LACK OF TRUE "BRAINSTORMING" AND SIMPLE
REMARKS AND COMMENTS.

Lonewolf, how can I believe in something that has never been proven, that Ive never seen or experienced and that I never will experience?

[MiChuhSuh]

^ nice location haha

, i just found it wierd you would bring it up, no one has nothing to prove

i just wanted you to notice it, and btw i got B's in bio and chem in high school but that doesnt mean anything

ill remove it

I don't know why I said that man but hey you brought it up and I worked hard for it hahaa

p.s. ghost Alicia is maaad at you!

[A Ghost]

^ nice location haha

, i just found it wierd you would bring it up, no one has nothing to prove

i just wanted you to notice it, and btw i got B's in bio and chem in high school but that doesnt mean anything

ill remove it

I don't know why I said that man but hey you brought it up and I worked hard for it hahaa

p.s. ghost Alicia is maaad at you!

lol!

Dont tell her!

I met Halle at the casino

[johnnnny]

I don't know why I said that man but hey you brought it up and I worked hard for it hahaa

not alot of people do....

[Sentenza]

SPIRITUAL AS IN HAVING A REAL MIND THAT "THINKS" AND NOT ONE
THAT ONLY REACTS TO IMPULSE AND DRIVEN BY "NO REAL BRAINS"

that depends on the person, people think differently

I WAS JUST FUCKIN' WITH GHOST ON THIS ONE . . . I'M GETTING
ANNOYED BY GHOST'S LACK OF TRUE "BRAINSTORMING" AND SIMPLE
REMARKS AND COMMENTS.

Lonewolf, how can I believe in something that has never been proven, that Ive never seen or experienced and that I never will experience?

You have got to understand that the meaning of life is beyond our comprehension....And trust in that...

[A Ghost]

SPIRITUAL AS IN HAVING A REAL MIND THAT "THINKS" AND NOT ONE
THAT ONLY REACTS TO IMPULSE AND DRIVEN BY "NO REAL BRAINS"

that depends on the person, people think differently

I WAS JUST FUCKIN' WITH GHOST ON THIS ONE . . . I'M GETTING
ANNOYED BY GHOST'S LACK OF TRUE "BRAINSTORMING" AND SIMPLE
REMARKS AND COMMENTS.

Lonewolf, how can I believe in something that has never been proven, that Ive never seen or experienced and that I never will experience?

You have got to understand that the meaning of life is beyond our comprehension....And trust in that...

well Im gonna live my life according to what I know exists, so that means religion is out

[frozen fire]

THERE IS NO ARGUMENT AGAINST EVOLUTION WITHIN A SPECIES

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF CATS, ALL KINDS OF DOGS, ALL KINDS OF BIRDS
AND ALL DIFFERENT COLORS AND SIZES OF HUMANS. . . THERE IS NO
ARGUMENT IN ALL THAT AND EVOLUTION DOES HELP AND ASSISTS
HUMANS INTO ACCULTURATION TO VARIOUS HABITATS WITH DIFFERENT
CLIMATES AND RESOURCES TO LIVE OFF. THE FORCES OF NATURE AND
THE DANGERS FACED, AS WELL AS A MULTITUDE OF OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES
ALL HELP TO EXPLAIN WAY "CHANGES AND ADAPTATION" ARE NEEDED.
BUT YOU WILL NEVER FIND EVIDENCE THAT A PIG TURNS INTO A COW,
OR THAT A WHALE TURNS INTO A SHARK. AND THE SAME IS TRUE FOR
NEVER HAVING FOUND AN ACTUAL "MUMMY" "FOSSIL" OR ANY OTHER
TYPR OF "VERIFIABLE TRUTH" ABOUT AN APE TURNING INTO A HUMAN.
ALL YOU HAVE IS SOME SKULLS THAT HAVE A RESEMBLANCE TO THE
HUMAN SKULL AND A LOT OF HYPOTETICAL THEORIES & CONJUCTURES,
BUT NO "MISSING LINK" HAS EVER BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD. . IT'S LIKE
THE BIG BANG THEORY ~~> IT'S A THEORY THAT KEEPS CIRCULATING
BUT TDOES NOT EXPLAIN "LIFE" ITSELF. IT MAYBE EXPLAIN SOLAR SYSTEMS
MATTER AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER THINGS ~~> BUT IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN
"LIFE".. WHY IS IT THAT IS MAN HAS BEEN IN CONSTANT EVOLUTION
FROM AN APE ~~> WHY HAVEN'T THEY EVER FOUND A SPECIMEN THAT
REFUTES "CREATION"? WHY IS IT ALWAYS SOME HALF-A*SS THEORY
AND NEVER STEP BY STEP EVOLUTIONARY "BODIES"? I MEAN, YOU CAN
FIND ALL KINDS OF DYNOS AND KINDS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF HORSES
FROM THE MIDGET TYPE TO THE FULL-BLOWNED MODERN HORSE, BUT
YOU CAN'T FIND "SKELETONS" OF MAN IN ALL ITS EVOLUTIONARY STATES.

EVOLUTION WITHIN SPECIES IS ONE THING, TRANSFORMATION BETWEEN
AN APE INTO A MAN IS ANOTHER THING. HOW COME YOU DON'T FIND APES
THAT ARE HALF-WAYS DONE? HALF-WAYS BETWEEN BEAST AND MAN?
YOU FIGURE IF THEY GO FROM APE TO MAN, THAT SOME WOULD STILL
GOING THROUGH THE TRANSFORMATION RIGHT? I MEAN THAT IS WHAT
EVOLUTION VERSUS CREATION TEACHES RIGHT?
EVEN BETTER ~~> BEFORE MAN, BEFORE THE APE, WHAT WERE WE?
LIZARDS? BIRDS? SABERTOOTH? MASTODONS? PLANTON? DUST PARTICLES?
AND IF WE WERE ONCE "DUST PARTICLES" ~~> WHY IS IT SO HARD TO
BELEIVE THAT GOD MADE US OUT OF MUD & DIRT? IT IS STILL MATTER RIGHT?

props lonewolf

Much props lonewolf!

[johnnnny]

im just saying common ancestors exist, and there were variants of man ex Homo (genus) and they could be considered half breeds because there were differences in all structures, brain, skeleton etc....

if whales evolved from land dwelling hippos and rabbits evolved from pikas, and using the same thing and classification methods a connection to chimps can be made. Ex the genome chart i showed earlier.... Its ignorance for religon not to accept a common ancestor and its ignorance for science to say theres no soul because it cant be measured...

The reason why we dont see half breeds is because there extinct, BUT that may change and im serious

Check out my post from the race and ethnicity forum that got like 9 views

http://www.streetgangs.com/billboard/vi ... hp?t=21642

if that gets proven, thats your half human

[johnnnny]

-Being the lone evolutionist is aight, but i still believe in a soul as the driving force for our physical being
-ive been told that i have to read the good book of the lord to be saved, and thats not fair. Why should a god have to force me to learn something that was forced onto other peoples? Thats not a fair god, a fair god would accept anyone for who they are, as long as they are good...
-islam and christianity have too many wrongs in history, and too many people died for that, and too many were converted forceably or disposed of from there lands because they wouldnt convert...

[A Ghost]

SPIRITUAL AS IN HAVING A REAL MIND THAT "THINKS" AND NOT ONE
THAT ONLY REACTS TO IMPULSE AND DRIVEN BY "NO REAL BRAINS"

that depends on the person, people think differently

I WAS JUST FUCKIN' WITH GHOST ON THIS ONE . . . I'M GETTING
ANNOYED BY GHOST'S LACK OF TRUE "BRAINSTORMING" AND SIMPLE
REMARKS AND COMMENTS.

But thats all I see it as, to me its like people are digging way too deep into something thats so simple.....

[johnnnny]

SIMPLE
REMARKS AND COMMENTS

.

it comes with being white eh ghost were of the same breed

[A Ghost]

SIMPLE
REMARKS AND COMMENTS

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it comes with being white eh ghost were of the same breed

lol

I dont like the term "breed" it makes it sound like race is real and that humans are different...

Let me rephrase that for you.

we're of the same character

But yeah, I make things simple because thats how things are.

Simple.

Theres no need to dig deep into things when the answer is right in front of your face

[Lonewolf]

But yeah, I make things simple because thats how things are.

Simple.

Theres no need to dig deep into things when the answer is right in front of your face

THAT RIGHT THERE IS YOUR "SIMPLE" MIND . . . AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM
WITH YOUR LIL' REMARKS AND COMMENTS ALL OVER THIS "FORUM"
YOU JUST INTERJET YOUR SELF INTO EVERY POSSIBLE TOPIC THAT
COMES OUT BUT YOU DON'T CONTRIBUTE MUCH TO THE DEBATES.
HONESTLY~> YOU'RE GETTING "THIS CLOSE" TO BEING ON MY LIST!

[johnnnny]

THE LIST

I garuntee im on a few of those

[Lonewolf]

THE "STUPID" LIST ~~> DUMBF*CKS TO IGNORE!!!

[Sentenza]

SPIRITUAL AS IN HAVING A REAL MIND THAT "THINKS" AND NOT ONE
THAT ONLY REACTS TO IMPULSE AND DRIVEN BY "NO REAL BRAINS"

that depends on the person, people think differently

I WAS JUST FUCKIN' WITH GHOST ON THIS ONE . . . I'M GETTING
ANNOYED BY GHOST'S LACK OF TRUE "BRAINSTORMING" AND SIMPLE
REMARKS AND COMMENTS.

Lonewolf, how can I believe in something that has never been proven, that Ive never seen or experienced and that I never will experience?

You have got to understand that the meaning of life is beyond our comprehension....And trust in that...

well Im gonna live my life according to what I know exists, so that means religion is out

Ok, i hear you, but science is far away from explaining everything. Very far. And me, i personally think it will be as long as they dig deep enough to find God.
Its a fallacy to think that science can explain it all because first of all, science is often operated under political premises, which makes it hippocritical (like racist "science" etc.) and second of all science is based on human perception of things and we all know that these perceptions can be totally wrong, no matter how clear minded someone seems.
I personally believe more in philosophical explanations of it all, cause they already have been approved without scientists having to back them up.
Science in my eyes is just a post modern religion that has to be perceived as a counter reaction to the naive religious believe that was predominant in the middle ages and pre-modern times. People were fed up with the fucked up shit the church caused and tried to find something else to believe in and that was science.
And you got to keep in mind that the believe in science is a very european/US thing (which is the same in that sense), cause religions are growing faster then they have ever been outside of the western hemisphere.
I dont want to downtalk the value of science, since it has helped in a lot of ways already, as much as it has caused tragedy though.
To me, in these days atheism and believe in science are nothing but a pseudo religious conception, cause people believe in something they cant prove, just like other religious people: The omniscience of science.

[MiChuhSuh]

^ There is a way that logic itself can logically be put into question

Descartes described this concept in his Meditations on First Philosophy

Basically (wikipedia summed it up nicely):

* If we cannot be certain that our senses do not deceive us, then we
cannot know anything with certainty.

* We cannot know whether or not our senses deceive us.

* Therefore, we cannot know anything with certainty about the world.


The "thought experiment" that demonstrates this is:

Suppose there was a daemon (spelled like that) which was all powerful and evil. It decides to fool you by controlling all of your perception. Even to what would appear to be basic logic. As in, you think 2+2=4 when really, 2+2=3, but the fact is that your mind and thinking are so controlled by the daemon that your logic is consistently wrong. The fact is, if such a daemon existed, then it would be impossible to disprove its existence, since we can no longer trust our own logic or thought process.

Therefore, all things that come from your mind are questionable and without any credence...

except your own existence. This is because you are now thinking. You are wondering about your own existence. You think about a new idea - "Do I even exist?" However, you realize this one thing - thoughts need a thinker - therefore if you have thoughts, they originated from an existing thinker - you! How can we be sure that this is true? Because even if you are not human, not physical, and not detetable in some strange form of existence, the fact is that you think, and this points back to you, the thinker.

I think I am

Interesting note- the first name of HIMSELF that GOD gave to man (to Moses as the voice from the burning bush) was I AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditation ... Philosophy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Daemon

P.S. Daemon is spelled that way becuase it is not only a "demon" but an inivisible background process. Also a term used in computing for a background process.

[MiChuhSuh]

I could go on forever about Descartes but I will only bring up the most relevant meditation arguments to the topic:

Meditation III

Argument 1

1. I have an idea of God (an infinitely perfect substance).
2. That idea must have a cause.
3. Nothing comes from nothing.
4. The cause must have at least as much formal reality as the idea.
5. I am not infinitely perfect.
6. I could not be the cause of the idea.
7. There must be a cause that is infinitely perfect.
8. God exists.

Argument 2

1. I exist.
2. My existence must have a cause.
3. The cause must be either:

a) myself
b) my always having existed
c) my parents
d) something less perfect than God
e) God

1. Not a. If I had created myself, I would have made myself perfect.
2. Not b. Continued existence does not follow from present existence.
3. Not c. This leads to an infinite regress.
4. Not d. The idea of perfection that exists in me cannot have originated from a non-perfect being.
5. e. God exists.

Diclaimer: NOT endorsing these are final proofs, since they were arguments from a human after all, and we all know how imperfect humans are

[A Ghost]

But yeah, I make things simple because thats how things are.

Simple.

Theres no need to dig deep into things when the answer is right in front of your face

THAT RIGHT THERE IS YOUR "SIMPLE" MIND . . . AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM
WITH YOUR LIL' REMARKS AND COMMENTS ALL OVER THIS "FORUM"
YOU JUST INTERJET YOUR SELF INTO EVERY POSSIBLE TOPIC THAT
COMES OUT BUT YOU DON'T CONTRIBUTE MUCH TO THE DEBATES.
HONESTLY~> YOU'RE GETTING "THIS CLOSE" TO BEING ON MY LIST!

Are you just mad I dont agree with you?

[johnnnny]

-god exists and so does evolution

-god allowed us to evolve from apes to attain a higher status in his kingdom, he didnt create us from mud, but we instead evolved us from apes into his image. He recognized our potential and gave us the gift of advanced comprehension, and we abuse that gift.

[MiChuhSuh]

As strange as this sounds, your above statements could only come from a non-believer (in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Zoroastrianism, etc).

1. The idea that God "allowed" apes to attain a higher status contradicts even the most reconciliatory idea that God intentionally evolved apes in His image, which is also self-contradictory since:
a. The beliefs in the four above stated religions, among others, specifically state intent and creation from dust, as well as a breath of life which suggests that the Homo genus was independent in terms of "evolution" with the rest of the Hominidae family.

The idea you stated is the result of a political attempt at apologetics, compromise, and reconciliation which negated parts of each school of thought (scientific, logical, and religious) rather than a combination of pure science, pure logic, and/or pure religion.

[johnnnny]

god exists and so does evolution

im a believer of god and im just saying evolution exists in the natural world around us, and that before we as humans started using tools and other things we were living like the animals we were an animal and then we took a different direction and thats it, god didnt have to do anything lightning or genesis?offtopic i think people who think god was an alien and i think there crazy, , and i think we evolved and god didnt have to do anything, call me crazy

[johnnnny]

and i think there

edit: are

[Lonewolf]

But yeah, I make things simple because thats how things are.

Simple.

Theres no need to dig deep into things when the answer is right in front of your face

THAT RIGHT THERE IS YOUR "SIMPLE" MIND . . . AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM
WITH YOUR LIL' REMARKS AND COMMENTS ALL OVER THIS "FORUM"
YOU JUST INTERJET YOUR SELF INTO EVERY POSSIBLE TOPIC THAT
COMES OUT BUT YOU DON'T CONTRIBUTE MUCH TO THE DEBATES.
HONESTLY~> YOU'RE GETTING "THIS CLOSE" TO BEING ON MY LIST!

Are you just mad I dont agree with you?

LOOK IT HERE LIL SQUIRREL, BACK THE F*CK UP OR START LOOKING
FOR ANOTHER HOME ~~> PLAIN AND SIMPLE "COMPRENDE?

[MiChuhSuh]

god exists and so does evolution

im a believer of god and im just saying evolution exists in the natural world around us, and that before we as humans started using tools and other things we were living like the animals we were an animal and then we took a different direction and thats it, god didnt have to do anything lightning or genesis?offtopic i think people who think god was an alien and i think there crazy, , and i think we evolved and god didnt have to do anything, call me crazy

soo..... you are a Deist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

To oversimplify it, deists believe God exists, that He made stuff, and then left it alone.

[NikexCortez]

America is high in crime and violence because we lack morals. From the past and now, we are at an all time high. Some would blame this on rejection of religion...

[MiChuhSuh]

^ just wondering NxC, what is your view on religion and are you part of any religion? I know your nickname is removed by admin but I'm just guessing that has more to do with ganja lol

[johnnnny]

god exists and so does evolution

im a believer of god and im just saying evolution exists in the natural world around us, and that before we as humans started using tools and other things we were living like the animals we were an animal and then we took a different direction and thats it, god didnt have to do anything lightning or genesis?offtopic i think people who think god was an alien and i think there crazy, , and i think we evolved and god didnt have to do anything, call me crazy

soo..... you are a Deist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

To oversimplify it, deists believe God exists, that He made stuff, and then left it alone.

ill have to read more on deism, but i think mabye iam

[A Ghost]

But yeah, I make things simple because thats how things are.

Simple.

Theres no need to dig deep into things when the answer is right in front of your face

THAT RIGHT THERE IS YOUR "SIMPLE" MIND . . . AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM
WITH YOUR LIL' REMARKS AND COMMENTS ALL OVER THIS "FORUM"
YOU JUST INTERJET YOUR SELF INTO EVERY POSSIBLE TOPIC THAT
COMES OUT BUT YOU DON'T CONTRIBUTE MUCH TO THE DEBATES.
HONESTLY~> YOU'RE GETTING "THIS CLOSE" TO BEING ON MY LIST!

Are you just mad I dont agree with you?

LOOK IT HERE LIL SQUIRREL, BACK THE F*CK UP OR START LOOKING
FOR ANOTHER HOME ~~> PLAIN AND SIMPLE "COMPRENDE?

You take this internet shit wayyy to seriously

[johnnnny]

god exists and so does evolution

im a believer of god and im just saying evolution exists in the natural world around us, and that before we as humans started using tools and other things we were living like the animals we were an animal and then we took a different direction and thats it, god didnt have to do anything lightning or genesis?offtopic i think people who think god was an alien and i think there crazy, , and i think we evolved and god didnt have to do anything, call me crazy

soo..... you are a Deist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

To oversimplify it, deists believe God exists, that He made stuff, and then left it alone.

if anything im a "deist in fact, if not in name", what religon are you?

[EmperorPenguin]

god exists and so does evolution

im a believer of god and im just saying evolution exists in the natural world around us, and that before we as humans started using tools and other things we were living like the animals we were an animal and then we took a different direction and thats it, god didnt have to do anything lightning or genesis?offtopic i think people who think god was an alien and i think there crazy, , and i think we evolved and god didnt have to do anything, call me crazy

soo..... you are a Deist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

To oversimplify it, deists believe God exists, that He made stuff, and then left it alone.

I think I would be closer to this then anything. I don't believe God just made us and left us alone though. And I don't believe in just 1 God. I believe we were created to some extent, and left alone to some extent. I believe God(s) peek in periodically and poke us with sticks to keep us moving and on our toes. Like that kid who use to always throw rocks at beehives, you know that kid. Then he'd push the fat kid down and everyone would run and the fat kid couldn't get up in time and was far too slow and would get stung unmercifully? That's how I picture God(s).

[johnnnny]

now your talking about angels and demons controlling humanitys future